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Nobody can really know who the winners and losers are without seeing the games play out, but that won't stop people from grading the day's events.  The Celtics aren't being graded very highly.

Trade Deadline: Winners and Losers - CBSSports.com

Losers:

Celtics: Team president Danny Ainge kicked the tires on a lot of deals, but decided to move forward only with the acquisition of Nate Robinson for Eddie House. So for the second straight year, the Celtics get a guard the Knicks didn’t want, which can’t bode well. Robinson will give the Celtics some tempo and scoring off the bench, and let’s face it – Boston needs any kind of lift it can get. But if you accept the theory that Boston simply isn’t good enough to get through Cleveland or Orlando in the playoffs, they may come to regret failing to flip Ray Allen’s $19 million expiring contract into a starting shooting guard (Kirk Hinrich?) who would’ve helped them remain competitive next season. 

Grading The Trading: Making Sense Of The Busiest NBA Trade Deadline In Years - SB Nation

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The obvious difference is that Nate Robinson's nothing like the shooter that House is, and needs the ball in his hands to put pressure on the defense. In other words, his only value comes when he's at the focal point of the offense. And if he's the focal point of the Celtics offense when he's on the floor, how much value is there for Boston? The Celtics needed to shake up things up for the stretch run, but this wasn't the right move.

Trade deadline winners and losers - Frank Hughes - SI.com

Me thinks the veteran Celtics players are not going to be fond of playing with Nate Robinson. I don't understand this trade.

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We’re a trade loser, you guys are so clueless? This team beat Cleveland at home on opening night, Orlando at home without Pierce… while you guys are climbing out of the Charles River I’ll be here on my couch

by jesse_stoneham on Feb 18, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

I honestly can't say I disagree with this.

I think we needed a bigger shake-up – maybe to revive us but moreso to take some of the sting out of watching next season.

But oh well, the deadline is over… We should all take this one as a knock on the chin and just move on.

Rondooooooo

by RJ87 on Feb 18, 2010 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

Nothing you can do about it now, save maybe something from the buyout dumpster. Don’t like Nate’s game, don’t think he does a solitary thing to address this team’s biggest needs, not infatuated with slam dunk champions at all.

But he’s here. Gotta make the best of it.

by CoachBo on Feb 19, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand all the hate here.

Nate is as good as it gets as a 6th (or 8th man). Geesh.

by rmcc4444 on Feb 18, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

Leave it to the experts

Do the experts also wanna tell us why other GMs are pressuring teams (like the Wiz) from not dealing with Boston?!

by Tai on Feb 18, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree

I think Nate will be helpful. The starters are tired, they need to lean on the bench more often. The bench was ineffective on the offensive end all season. Eddie was great two years ago, but he can’t dribble, he can’t play D and he hasn’t been scoring all that well lately. I would have liked to see more of Bill Walker, but he wasn’t playing so it doesn’t matter. If nothing else, Nate Robinson will score and he is a better defender and ball handler than House. Plus he’s an exciting young player that the Celtics could keep around.

by rpstevens on Feb 18, 2010 11:18 PM EST reply actions  

By the way, Jeff – I appreciate the solemn nature of your posts about the Nate/House transition. No hype. Let him earn praise as a teammate.

by jurrasicearl on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

Get used to Nate being on the team; at least for the remainder of the year, and probably beyond.

by Reyquila on Feb 18, 2010 11:45 PM EST reply actions  

the starters

better put take this trade as a chip on their shoulder… if they dont like playing with nate too bad, if they were able to compete for 48 minutes, no trade wouldve ever happened.

by MS12 on Feb 18, 2010 11:46 PM EST reply actions  

i'm willing

to give him a shot -

- dominique
- dee brown
- gerald green
- now nate

dunk champs

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

ps

they are looking pretty good tonight – regardless
.

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Feb 18, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

As you said

It’s all meaningless. Their opinions, that is.

Meanwhile, at halftime, the Cs are looking like the fire is back. In all of them. If this is a true indication (and we’ll see what happens in Q3 and Q4), then they really will be ready for the playoffs and could really take it all. (And btw, it doesn’t matter if they actually lose this game in a squeaker or if they win… the important thing is that they’re playing the way they need to be playing. No team can win every game.)

Nate’s deal, while good (I believe), pales into insignificance when compared to the state of our top 6-7-8 guys. If they play from now on like they just played the first half… we’re gonna be good to go.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

I agree Nate not the issue

sideshow

two biggest concerns:

1. Pierce and KG health

2. more effort on the glass from everyone

by Frank Malzone on Feb 19, 2010 6:50 AM EST up reply actions  

There are some valid points above

especially about Nate needing the ball to be effective. I do have questions about how Nate will mesh with the team…

BUT we really didn’t give up anything and its a nice low risk move with a good potential payoff. Eddie House’s game has slipped

Now come playoff time we’re one more solid player deep.

by alskor on Feb 19, 2010 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe

I think the big benefit is give us a 2nd ball handler. He fills a role for us as the backup PG. There’s no need for a PF (Quisy) or for TA to play PG. Quisy/TA can rest Paul/Ray to shorten their minutes so they are rested for the playoffs. Unlike last year when they were playing big minutes with KG injured and no real backups available.

I know Nate can play, even if his game is too one-dimensional, but the cost was pretty minimal. Eddie and 2 guys who don’t play. We also open up 2 roster spots, maybe someone will get waived or bought out who can help or we can audition D-Leaguers for next season.

I guess the reason we got a bad grade was that Frank Hughes, him being the all knowing basketball genius, decided that we should have moved Rays contract and take the trade with Chicago Ray for Heinrich, Thomas and James because it was the best available. Danny was looking for a homerun and didn’t find it, but the Chicago trade was a Hit-By-Pitch. It appears there really wasn’t much out there for us even using Ray’s contract. People just wanted to dump the garbage and thought Boston was a Basketball Landfill!!!!!!!!!!!

by badax33 on Feb 19, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone remember the bad blood between rondo and kirk in the playoffs?

by Christopher Weatherford on Feb 19, 2010 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

yes - it was ugly

…and i recall thinking rondo had stones

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Feb 19, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Sad but true!!!

I hope we can get someone that can rebound when bought out comes!!!

by celt4ever on Feb 19, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Ray will be lights out now

and you guys will love Nate…we finish 57-25

by wahz on Feb 19, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Umm...

…is the CBS Sports writer really criticizing the Celtics because they didn’t go get Kirk Hinrich? Really?

by celts4life on Feb 19, 2010 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

can't be worse for the team than Sheed

who unfortunately seems to have replaced Perkins as the Celtics’ permanent center in the 4th. Hopefully Doc et al will wake up to the fact that this guy is slow, selfish and stupid. Never boxes out, slow to rotate, careless passes, a whiner.

I liked House – always played with heart. And I hear the arguments above, but I’m open to see what Nate’s more versatile offense will bring to the team. Truth is nobody knows how a player will mesh until he plays with the team.

btw is Doc saving all his timeouts for the playoffs?? I just saw the Celtics go from 80-71 to 80-80, no timeout.

by act1 on Feb 19, 2010 12:57 AM EST reply actions  

1:10 to go... C's up by 1

My heart is RACING.

Jeez. I cannot watch these games anymore.

by teaguelife on Feb 19, 2010 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

it's a W for the C's but without kobe on the lakers it feels like an empty win for me

and the fact that it’s just a one point margin does not help it one bit

by jeric on Feb 19, 2010 1:28 AM EST reply actions  

il take the W too but somehow it makes you think of what if kobe was there,

a last second dagger again? without kobe i was kinda hoping the margin for the win would be a bit bigger, let’s say a 4 or 5 point margin instead of 1

by jeric on Feb 19, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Celts win despite a 15-0 run by LA

This is why we traded for Nate Robinson. Our second unit sorely needs a scorer .Nate will give us offense so other teams do NOT go on these runs. We still have 2 roster spots available also. Lets see who we pick up when players are let go.

by #1lakerhater on Feb 19, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lakers game

I got to hand it to the Lakers. Playing without Kobe, they should have won. Damn they’re good. I don’t think we have it anymore. We’re too old and no one wants to face the facts. We should rebuild. Dump the big three while there still is value

by nak on Feb 19, 2010 2:10 AM EST reply actions  

Figure out a trade for the Celtics where we can dump the Big 3 and get value.

And playing with Kobe at Boston they should have destroyed us with Pierce and KG coming off of injuries and dragging their legs around.

by colincb on Feb 19, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

ya, but KG is dragging is leg around EVERY game at this point and always seems to be coming off of an injury

by nak on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Grading the graders

F- for Berger. – Flip Ray for Hinrich’s and some other bad contract(s)? Bulls fans would have thrown a parade in Danny’s honor.

C- for Sportsnation – Why not have a guy who can initiate his own offense on the 2nd unit?

C- for Frank Hughes – Don’t know how the chemistry will be, but unless he’s a complete dope, he’ll behave or he won’t get much of a deal next year. He’s certainly walking into a stronger locker room. Otherwise the on court logic’s very simple – Nate’s a better player than Eddie or as Kenny the Jet said Eddie on steroids.

by colincb on Feb 19, 2010 2:41 AM EST reply actions  

Speaking of focal point of offense

who was the focal point of offense in the second unit before Nate joined the team? Eddie? Sheed? I don’t think Nate will do any worse than those two offensively. We don’t have enough guys who can create his own shots.

by getthat18now on Feb 19, 2010 4:38 AM EST reply actions  

Nate cannot get here quick enough

I like Sheed, but he made one good move tonight, tha baseline drive and 1 against Gasol. Marquis had 1 rebound, 0 points in 17 minutes.

by Tradetime on Feb 19, 2010 4:44 AM EST reply actions  

good move Danny

too much people here are to pessimistic on that trade. Finally we got out the garbage (Walker, Giddens) and sign another great player – Nate is small but he can also do unbelievable things in the paint and has a very good shot. Defensively its an huge improvement, because Nate can really pressure the ball handler! I remember ball games against the Knicks where (former Celtic) House was totally beaten by Nate with no chance of initialize any plays on the offense. Believe it or not – the future will show it ^_° Another good thing is, that Ray now can play without any pressure – you have seen it already in L.A. !

I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°

by greenmech on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 AM EST reply actions  

Nate haters chew on this one

  Who was the last Celtic guard to score over 40 pts in a game?

by Dipper on Feb 19, 2010 6:11 AM EST reply actions  

Not a Nate hater, but to answer your question ...

Ray Allen scored 51 pts. on 18 of 32 shooting vs the Bulls in Game 6 of the ’09 Playoffs.

by Celtic_E on Feb 19, 2010 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah your right

  I was just thinking point guards, not ‘shooting guards" who are also small forwards – grin. And I watched the overtime game that Ray hung the 50 on em. I don’t think DJ every put up 40 for us, not sure but Archibald may of.

by Dipper on Feb 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Everybody's entitled to an opinion...

In my case, if Marbury hadn’t lost his marbles with that livecam-vaseline-eating-show, he would still be a better backup point guard than Nate. Specially if he remained a Celtic and worked with the team in the offseason. I think he showed some really good passing in some games. And let’s not forget that playoff game in which he helped the team get really close to a W in the final quarter (I don’t recall which game it was, sorry). He’s not getting any younger either, but I still believe the offseason would have made a difference.

by braz on Feb 19, 2010 7:19 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not going to take any analysis too seriously...

… that suggests we should have traded Ray for Hinrich (apparently straight up). Hinrich isn’t good enough to be our starting SG.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Feb 19, 2010 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

Taking a wait and see on Nate and hoping for the best…. who really knows how much Danny was trying to move Ray. Unless they get lucky with a buyout this season will be on KG and Pierce. Danny will have his work cut out for him this summer.

by celty86 on Feb 19, 2010 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

Ray for Hinrich?? No Thanks.

Nate is a hustle player with a good shot, who can also drive and make his foul shots. I am positive about this one. .. just not sure what happens next season.

by Fred Roberts on Feb 19, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Ok

I am ok with the trade, and the non-trade. I do think the celts needed a true point guard for the second unit. The change from going from a point lead offense to a non-point lead offense, and having Pierce, Allen and Wallace altering their game around that, I don’t think was ideal. Regardless of how great a shot House was. And he was good.

I also think that when you play every game with some non-point offense, and have that as a significant part of your daily scheme, its easier to slip into that at toward the end of a close game when you get more focused, and want to take it upon yourself to make it happen.

And I think the celts drop off a peg, stop moving as much, when it turns into a one man game.

Whether or not Robinson was the best PG we could get. I’m glad we did not make the Ray trade. I think you have a better shot at another banner if you tweek the roster a little, than starting down the road of starting over.

by Bozo on Feb 19, 2010 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

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