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Celtics Beat LA (Without Kobe)

Every win against the Lakers is a good win.  I mean, the Lakers didn't have Kobe, but we didn't have House, Giddens, or Walker, so that's pretty much a wash right?
  • Ray was playing free and easy tonight.  Nice to see that hot hand again.
  • Sheed was the opposite tonight.  He couldn't hit the water falling off of Wyc's yacht.
  • Another game of runs.  C's up early, LA makes a run, lather, rinse, repeat.
  • We've been told KG would have good days and bad days.  This was one of the good ones.  He looked almost spry out there.  Skied for a clutch rebound at the end.  Great to see.
  • Pierce hurt his thumb and Tony Allen left the game with a strained knee (I think - going on memory)
  • Marquis was pretty invisible for much of the game and turned in a pretty sad stat line
  • Still love watching Rondo play.  He's got a creative flare to his passes that is (dare I say it?) reminiscent of Magic.
  • Can't leave out Perkins.  14 big rebounds against a huge frontline.
  • Kinda chipy at times.  You can tell there's some tension between these two teams.  I like that.
Not the prettiest win, but we'll take it.  Keep the momentum going.

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It doesn't matter whether they won or lost

The key point is: THE CELTICS PLAYED A GREAT GAME. Everybody was on, everybody played with passion and focus. Well, Rasheed didn’t have a very good game… but it wasn’t for lack of effort this time. Just a bad game. It happens. Otherwise, this felt like a TURNING POINT for this team. They’re finally SERIOUS about winning, playing hard, and that INCLUDES KG, who looked pretty damn good out there.

Don’t forget: this was only KG’s 12th game since coming back. He’s allowed a few more than that to get back in shape.

All in all, a very heartening night. Things are looking very good right now. Just wanted to make this point clear before all the negativists come out (complaining about lost leads, offensive lapses, and whatnot).

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

Sheed and Quis

both had sub-par games. Especially Quis. Sheed did have a few good moments away from the ball. He just shot horribly.

This was a game that was all about the starters, though. And they came through big – all 5 played well.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't notice Quis

But he’s #7 on the list. And he’ll bounce right back, no doubt. The top 5… that was soooo great to see.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Quis had a bad stat line not a bad game

it seemed to me like Quis was hustling and doing all the right things but just barely missing out on making plays as if it was more luck then skill effecting him.

just seemed that way

by incoherent. on Feb 19, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah - I love Quis. But he had a bad game.

The problem is when Ray went to the bench to rest and TA came in, Daniels just got smothered when he had the ball. And on defense, they kept running him into brutal screens by LAs bigs. The net result was when Quis was on the floor, we kept turning the ball over (4 TOs by Quis & TA in short minutes) and we couldn’t get stops on defense. Thus, Quis had a pretty horrible -19 for the game.

He’ll be okay. It hurt not having Eddie out there to help create space. Nate will help recover that. I’m not worried about Daniels at all.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

The Celtics DIDN'T play a great game ...

they played a great first three quarters, and their horrendous, JV-like fourth quarter almost cost them the game. I’m happy with the W, I’m even happier that it came against the Lakers, but there are still serious issues to be dealt with: Why did the Cs go away from a hot Ray Allen? How come - in two games this season against the Lakers - they couldn’t hit a shot in the last five minutes to save their lives? And on a night when the starters actually played well, the bench failed — why can’t they all get on the same page at the same time?

Still, the W is nice.

by rocknrollforyoursoul on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

oh yeah, and don't forget the rebounding ...

Though we beat Sac and L.A., we lost the rebounding battle by a slight margin in each game … which has me thinking, if we’d WON those board battles, the games wouldn’t have been as close. So how ’bout we grab a few, huh fellas?

by rocknrollforyoursoul on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly why I wanted to get the positive point made

Of course it wasn’t a perfect game. Yes, you can complain about the offense (but NOT the defense), etc. But overall, the fact that the starters played better than they have in weeks, and especially the fact that KG looked strong, and that they all showed effort and focus… all that is the THE most important part of the story of this game It feels like it could be a real turning point… then they finally got their act together in preparation for the playoffs.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice work getting the positives out right away DRJ1! Its refreshing to say the least. It seems there is a lot of shoulda’s on here lately. Shoulda won by more, shoulda played better, shoulda won that game. I’m not saying there aren’t things that need to be fixed, but this is the NBA, everyone that is on the court is a good athlete so there not all going to be easy, and getting a win on the road given all the distractions the past week is a good thing.

by wisco87 on Feb 19, 2010 3:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, ok

KG looked real strong at the end of the first quarter, standing there swatting the ball from bynum, and got his second foul. Couldn’t he have stood strong with his hands up instead of getting the easy foul? Just didn’t seem very KG-like to do

by bleedgreen34 on Feb 19, 2010 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Was their defense in the 4th 'JV-like'?

They held LA to 2 pts in the last 7:50.

Yes, their own offense struggled again in the 4th. But one big difference over previous offensive lapses is at least this time they did create open looks and take better shots – they just missed some easy shots in the first half of the 4th.

In previous games when their offense has disappeared, the problem was they wouldn’t even get the shot off until the last 2 seconds – if they didn’t turn it over before even taking a shot.

They only had 10 TOs for the game. 5 were by the bench unit, which didnt play so well. ‘Hurt not having a shooter on the 2nd string to space the defense. When Ray went out with his 3rd foul in he 2nd period, the 2nd string really really struggled. Hopefully Nate’s presence will fix that.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats a good point, i was watching the recording of the game, which cut off around the 7 minute mark and the game was something like 84-80.

by wisco87 on Feb 19, 2010 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate will fix that

…I believe. Hadn’t thought of it before, but Nate is going to be THE single hardest guy to guard off the dribble on this team. I think it was Smith who said he’s like #6 toughest in the whole league. Whatever number he is… it’s gonna be fun to watch.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Lakers lost at the ft line - just like the Kings

Lakers missed nine fts, including the usually reliable Fisher shooting 1-3.

Enjoy the outcome, but don’t fool yourselves…

Window is closed

by nba is the worst on Feb 19, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So didn't cavs

This mean the nuggets’ window is closed too?

by bleedgreen34 on Feb 19, 2010 9:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly!

No Ray would have equalled no win last night.

Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!

by alecquaid on Feb 20, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

great win

we won despite getting out shot 2 to 1 at the FT line…did it by playing great D!!

- JoeB

by joeb on Feb 19, 2010 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

Marquis Daniels was as useful as… oh well.

"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson

by The Village Idiot on Feb 19, 2010 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

I hate TNT

All they are talking about is how good the lakers are…THEY LOST GUYS!!!! Don’t care if Bryant wasn’t there. We haven’t been healthy all year!!

- JoeB

by joeb on Feb 19, 2010 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

Nice win

Would of been better if we beat LA with Kobe, but hey we will take it I guess.

The C’s got nothing from the Bench and were lucky to win as TA, Rasheed, Daniels and Baby were non existent.

Starters played great.

Perks defense was awesome and KG looked smooth on the court.

Lets see what happens in Portland I hope Nate plays.

by fordescort on Feb 19, 2010 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

Ray is here to stay, and boy did he come to play!

Wow what a difference having that weight off his shoulders meant to his game

by KG's Knee on Feb 19, 2010 1:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yea he looked good

Bet he had alot of stress off of him with the deadline passing.

by fordescort on Feb 19, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

YES!!!!

sheed was awful BUT ITS ALL GOOOOOOD

by BostonThreeParty on Feb 19, 2010 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

what i love...

…is that they had the big guns in foul trouble int he 1st half, but still kept the lead and gutted it out

- JoeB

by joeb on Feb 19, 2010 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

Sheed

Was soooooo awful. What a waste of a rotation. Please bench him until he decides to play D. lol at TNT for saying he is a great defender.

by Ragetti on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

Without Kobe?? We won without Marcus Landry.

Seriously, why the hell did Doug Collins keep mentioning we were without Eddie? He isn’t on our team anymore.

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

well, he sometimes mentioned it as 'short a backup guard' and even mentioned Nate once

but officially the trade hasn’t gone through yet. So maybe that constrained the way he could say it.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Was that a KG sighting

I just witnessed? Sure there was no Kobe, and sure we almost blew another 4th qtr lead, but Kg looked great tonight. Hope he can keep it up.

by KG's Knee on Feb 19, 2010 1:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

No Kobe=no gamewinner

Sheed played terrible and KG’s jumper was off but Ray was awesome for 3/4 of the game and Rondo and Perk had good games too so overall I will take a win over the Lakers anyday.

by frizzle1991 on Feb 19, 2010 1:40 AM EST reply actions  

To be fair - our second team clearly struggled without a shooting guard

to space things. Quis had his worse game of the year.

Their efficiency was terrible, and they committed a gob of turnovers at one point.

If they convert just a few of those into points instead – game swings dramatically.

But those are all just what ifs.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The second unit struggled

I believe Eddie’s departure had a lot to do with their subpar performance as an unit. Eddie was a big part of that unit. Hopefully Nate can fill that void.

by getthat18now on Feb 19, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't care Kobe didn't play

I’ll be has a a pig in…..well, you know the rest, with this win.

by KG's Knee on Feb 19, 2010 1:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

meant

Happy as a pig.
Phones sure are hard to type with

by KG's Knee on Feb 19, 2010 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We won !

They beat us last year when KG was out. Now we returned the favor when they didn’t have Kobe. So sort of even out.

But again, scoring just 11 points in the 4th Q was just ….. (I couldn’t find the word to describe it.)

Ray was great.

by getthat18now on Feb 19, 2010 1:42 AM EST reply actions  

well, they only scored 17 in the 4th as well

and most importantly, we shut them down to just 2 points in the last 8 minutes!

Defense!

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

KG is coming back

Very nie game tonight.. very good (no jumper, but very good defense)

by Jack_Frost on Feb 19, 2010 1:43 AM EST reply actions  

He needs his jumper back tho

He missed a good 4 wide open looks in the 4th – would of helped. But that will come. I loved his intensity, his dunk was awesome (and what about RAY’S FLUSH AND 1?! that was sick). He was going up for rebounds and looks pretty spry.

by SpecialistK on Feb 19, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

When Nate plays, we won’t have such a drop off between starters and bench.

by Ragetti on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

Does anybody think that Nate will help

remedy these bad scoring droughts we have in games, like we did tonight for awhile?

I think maybe that is one reason the C’s wanted him, was to be able to come in and break such scoring droughts.

by fordescort on Feb 19, 2010 1:45 AM EST reply actions  

Well - most of the 'scoring droughts' have been on the first team.

But he (or Eddie) would have definitely helped with the second team tonight when we let LA back into the game because our bench couldn’t convert any possessions into points.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

We have a bunch of shooters, but only one true scorer in Pierce

Nate is a scorer, who like Pierce can create his own shot.

The team scored like 11 points in the 4th quarter tonight. Nate can get that by himself.

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah and he got whacked in the head while doing it.

Haha and everyone on the Celts were slapping him around (couple times in the face no less haha) when they were picking him up off the floor.

by SpecialistK on Feb 19, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a great win for the team. KG is slowly coming back (i hope) and Ray was huge. Most importantly, the intensity was there both on offense and defense. We missed some open jumpers but made up for them with lock-down D during the end game.

by radiohead on Feb 19, 2010 1:46 AM EST reply actions  

yeah - we did at least get a few good open looks down the stretch

it hurt that we missed those shots. But its better than the turnovers that characterized our slumps in other games this last month.

Only 10 turnovers tonight!!!!!!!!!!

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Some heartening developments

Garnett went up strong more than a few times, and seemed more energized than any game this calendar year. Wouldn’t it be nice if that were the new normal? He is still front-rimming most of his jumpshots, so the legs aren’t where we’d like them to be.

Missed the start of the game. Perk seemed to sit a lot of the first half, but not with foul trouble. Doc sending a message? If so, it was received – his second half was his best since maybe Christmas. Looked focused and determined and got the job done on the boards.

Best of all – the whole team kept their intensity all game (even when the bench was giving the game away). Sheed and Quis sucked and Baby wasn’t all that effective but cradle to grave effort given by all.

Nitpicks -

Why so allergic to Ray down the stretch? They were covering him well but it’s not like he needs five seconds to get a good shot off. Overall, didn’t love the plays called down the stretch. Not sure who to pin that on. Doc seemed to want to let them play, but you’ve got to get better looks earlier in the shot clock at least some of the time.

Pierce not hitting the 18-footer. Again. Decline or injury. You decide.

Also, I think it’s irrelevant that Kobe didn’t play. We very well might have won this game even if he did.

Two ugly/pretty wins. Let’s see if they’ve got anything left in the tank tomorrow night.

by TheOutletPass on Feb 19, 2010 1:47 AM EST reply actions  

Paul hurt his hand

maybe that’s why he missed those jumpers/free throws

by radiohead on Feb 19, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

that’s why we kept Ray

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he’s improved a little over the years, still a little shaky but no abhorrent.

Maybe it’s an excuse, but I thought the thumb/wrist/whatever was affecting him.

by Berkcelt on Feb 19, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree with not getting Ray the ball later in the game.

Don’t let the guy cool off when he’s burning down the house (sorry Eddie). What was he like 10 for 11 in the first half? 4 for 4 from 3 point land if I remember right.

by SpecialistK on Feb 19, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Right approach, Wrong Result

It happens. I’m okay with his effort tonight.

by TheOutletPass on Feb 19, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that spin move was Sheed at his best.

I really wish Perk could learn how to use his upper body and spin moves the way Sheed does. I love the way Sheed can push his man into position, get him leaning the wrong way and then spin past him. And Sheed doesn’t try to dunk everything – he knows his distance to the rim and does those nice measured layups. Perk would be huge if he could learn that move.

On the negative side. Gasol was killin’ us whenever he dragged Perk or Sheed out to the edge of the paint. KG was the only big who could stop him out there.

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Good Job!

I can see how the guys play very hard tonite.

by celticz on Feb 19, 2010 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah just 1 Tech hehe

Rondo had 1 too early in the game for taunting haha (I think it was after Ray’s ridiculous flush). I love that guy.

by SpecialistK on Feb 19, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

a good "bad" win

we barely beat an LA team without kobe. however, a few good things…one, most importantly, kg moved around really well tonight. that’s as good as he has looked since the injury. some have argued his knee was fine, but he needed to get his legs under him, hence the dragging his leg issue. well, maybe that’s correct. let’s see how he moves the next few games. if kg is close to healthy, we can beat anyone. two, we couldn’t buy a shot at times…but we got good looks on a lot of them. i’d imagine a few more of them would have dropped in most cases, which would have given us a more comfortable win. three, our bench gave us very little at all – i think nate will help the bench significantly. he scores like eddie, but isn’t one-dimensional. and four, we played some fine defense.

by guy incognito on Feb 19, 2010 1:54 AM EST reply actions  

Still love watching Rondo play. He’s got a creative flare to his passes that is (dare I say it?) reminiscent of Magic.

Watching the game i thought that his passing reminded me of Lebron, so thats basically the same thing. Rondo, Lebron and Magic all have a habit of passing so nicely you could make a highlight package just out of their assists. I used to really dislike Rondo but he’s grown on me. He’s now my second favorite celtic..

Cavs lost and Boston won which is usually bad, but if Boston win = Lakers loss it’s all good. I still go for any east team that plays the lakers.

And I’m guessing most of you guys are now pleased you didn’t trade Ray?

by CavsLebronFan on Feb 19, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

I took joy in seeing Cleveland sweep LA

of course, I equally enjoyed Melo beating LeBron tonight.

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm really hoping Denver makes it out of the West

They’ve been playing hard nose, and have really taken it to the Lakers.

Plus, how good a story would it be to make it to the finals with your coach just diagnosed with cancer? I smell a Hallmark movie!

by KY Celts fan on Feb 19, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

you're not serious are you?

Comparing that fake Willis Reed moment of Paul Pierce with George Karl batting cancer? C’mon man, everyone who has seen it understands that Pierce was FAKING it! I mean, having three people carry him off the court, while he was CRYING, then being wheel chaired to the lockerroom, lol. Next, 2 minutes later he comes out guns blazing, lol.

C’mon man. It’s not like you are a traitor if you admit the obvious. Paul Pierce was FAKING it. At the very least the extent of the injury. I can’t believe any sane person would think otherwise. The funniest thing was watching the TNT crew laugh and laugh when watching the highlights during their “of the decade” show which came to an end over the all-star break this year.

by plyka on Feb 20, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

(Without Kobe)

Hopefully that’s a play on what Fakers fans will be saying..right? The way this team has gone lately, you have to consider this a great win-Kobe or no damn Kobe. It was very important for Perk to play well against their bigs, and for the most part he did. Marquis was very Un-Quisy like, but this was the 1st time in a while he and Ray were together on the floor and I think he will have to adjust slightly to teams keying in on him more w/out Eddie around. Obviously NaterTot’s presence will rectify that. For the 1st time in years, I actually have a little excitement to go to a C’s-Knicks game. You can’t tell me Nate doesn’t want to have a big night his first time in home-whites against the man who made him ride the pine-D’Antoin

JB

by KobeWearsAPurpleThong on Feb 19, 2010 2:23 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Quis will get better in the transition as time goes…

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Feb 19, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

A Perk complaint

Ok, I’ve made it clear that I think this was a great game. But man, when Perk got KG’s tip off a jump ball at about 5:50 in Q4… and the proceeded to LET IT BOUNCE OUT OF BOUNDS RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM… I thought “Ok, so now Perk is the new TA”. Damn, that was just ridiculous.

All’s forgiven, of course, because overall Perk played a great game. (But jesZUSS, that was stupid.)

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:27 AM EST reply actions  

I thought it was Pierce who nearest beside Perk. But that play got me too. Not sure it was a matter of hustle, more like a brain fart.

Perk did play a great game, first time in a while it seems too.

by Berkcelt on Feb 19, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions  

very true

but do remember when celtics had 1 second on the shot clock, and they ran a play for Ray who missed the layup, and perk made the play to dunk it back.

I’m not sure if that was before or after

by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 19, 2010 10:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone see these comments?

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/02/19/celtics.trade/

Less than enthusiastic response from the C’s on the Robinson trade. Well, from Rondo.

by TheOutletPass on Feb 19, 2010 2:38 AM EST reply actions  

There's a good reason for that

They were all tight with Eddie. Rightfully so. Eddie’s a great guy, all around. They loved having him around, and he loved being here. So they’re upset, and sad. Ray said as much in his TV interview. Perfectly understandable. And they’ll get past it, of course. (It’s not like he died……)

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Ray said they didn’t need a trade.. Well, now that he’s still here, next year we’re another year older, and the same goes for the year after, then they’re gone. I doubt we make the playoffs in two years with rising East teams, and a 37 year old wallace and allen, 35 year old pierce and 36 year old KG. the truth is scary.

by bleedgreen34 on Feb 19, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

umm... but how does this trade make them younger?

Assuming getting younger is as important as you say.

Sure, Nate is only 25 – but his contract is up after this season. Eddie is 31-32 so yeah, for the next few months we are younger. And we traded away two younger players in Walker and Giddens.

Okay – so yeah, we’ve gained Marcus Landry who can sit on the bench in place of Walker and Giddens. He’s actually 24 (though with hardly any NBA experience).

by mmmmm on Feb 19, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

The big test is tomorrow

The second leg of a back-to-back, against an uprising team in Portland. How will those old bodies respond? Can Ray stay hot? And will Nate make his Celtics debute?

by getthat18now on Feb 19, 2010 2:49 AM EST reply actions  

No to Nate

Looks like Sunday will be his first day. And TA was injured, may not play. Portland looks like a tough one… could be a loss. But it’s ok… they’re apparently on the right path.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

TA

Poor guy. He just can’t stay healthy. Hope it is nothing serious. The team needs his energy.

by getthat18now on Feb 19, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Re: w/o Kobe

I live in LA, and as I was walking to my car after watching the game at a pizza joint, a Lakers fan spotted my Beat LA shirt and helpfully pointed out that the Lakers only lost by one, without Kobe.

LA’s nearly as good without Kobe as with him. They’re different, to be sure, but a team that revolves around Gasol and Odom and Bynum and Artest is still a very good one. Look what they did in their previous four: Convincing wins in (Roy-less) Portland and Utah, and comfortable victories against San Antonio and Golden State — with no Bynum against the Blazers, Jazz, and Spurs. Without Kobe, the Lakers are still probably the second-best team in the West, Granted, the fourth quarter is Kobe’s domain and there probably haven’t been too many seven-minute stretches over the years where the Lakers have managed just two points with Kobe on the floor, but if you consider the free throw discrepancy, the terrible game by ‘sheed, the general ineffectiveness of the bench as a whole, and the absence of Eddie and Nate, and it’s just wrong to read too much into the “without Kobe” aspect of this win.

http://rhymeswithhondo.blogspot.com

by Rhymes With Hondo on Feb 19, 2010 3:51 AM EST reply actions  

I also live in LA. And like you, I’m stuck surrounded by Laker fans. They find ANY way to spin a loss around. If it’s not Kobe being out, then it’s bad officiating. Or Gasol was out. Or Bynum was out (a popular excuse why we beat them in the Finals 2 years ago).

They had an excuse ready when they went on their 8-game road trip, while ignorant of their 20+ game homestand early in the season. When they can’t think of a reason why the Boston beat LA, they’ll say , “We still have a better record than you” (which is true) or “You’re still old” (also true). But Laker fan won’t accept a loss as a loss.

Another overused quote is, “The East is weak” (while true, arguably 4 of the 5 top teams in the league are from the East). When the Cavs won both games against LA, I head a lot of “Blah, Cleveland can’t win a 7-game series.”

Laker fans have an excuse for EVERYTHING. The only time I heard silence was Game 6 when the Celtics blew out the Lakers to close out the Finals. They then proceeded to take their annoying car flags down.

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Perk's a Stud

I looked over all of these comments and saw only one or maybe two giving Perk props. Man, did we watch the same game. Perk played with more fire and passion then anyone in the game! He played excellent D, rebounded the ball and flat out stuck it L.A. at some key times. It’s just amazing to me how much this guys game is taken for granted. Or, maybe it’s just that I played center and watch that position more. Anyway, great win for us. Discount it if you want but this is the best we have looked in a while. Sure, it didnt last the entire game but it’s much better then the last 25 games.

by C'sFanDan on Feb 19, 2010 4:13 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Just curious...

1) Anybody know why Rondo got a taunting technical (thanks for the replay, TNT…ugh)?

2) What is the deal with the calls inside the charge circle? Seriously, not even complaining. I thought Paul drew the foul from Gasol right there at the end, but he didn’t get it of course. The thing is I see this call go either way, almost at random, and I mean in any game. Carmelo did the same thing on one play tonight (didn’t get the call either incidentally). I guess I don’t understand why if a guy makes contact with someone standing on the ground in the charge circle, it’s a defensive foul but if they’re both in the air, it may or may not be one. I don’t see how the whole weirdly administerd so-called “plane of verticality” factors in either if there is body contact. It just seems like a weird discrepancy.

by Berkcelt on Feb 19, 2010 4:19 AM EST reply actions  

I just want to know

why Doc keeps calling for the Pierce iso play each time we had the ball for the last few minutes of the game. Because it nearly cost us the game. Why take the ball out of Rondo’s hand when he creates the best opportunities for the other 4. Is this supposed to be our bread and butter play???

When Paul holds the ball at the top of the three point line dribbling aimlessly, with the shot clock winding down, one of four things almost always happen.
1.) Paul fumbles the ball which leads to a steal and easy bucket for the other team. 2.) Paul gets doubled and then passes off to another teammate who heaves a poor shot from the perimeter. 3.) Paul drives the lane and more often than not puts up a off balance layup or gets his shot blocked. 4.) Some type of turnover (ball thrown out of bounds, illegal screen, 24 sec violation, etc).

I just don’t understand why this play keeps getting called during the stretch of close games because most of the time it has failed miserably. Don’t get me wrong I loved the win tonight but I think Doc needs to come up with better options than this. While Doc is not the one on the floor I do think he needs to be held accountable for the play calling during these offensive droughts. If we don’t stop being so predictable in these situations I truly find it hard to believe we make a deep run in the playoffs.

by Las Vegas Asian on Feb 19, 2010 4:35 AM EST reply actions  

Good point, good question

…and a real problem. Doc has his share.

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 4:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agree

  I agree totally. I can remember a ton of failures this year, and there must have been a success tho I cannot remember one. It

by Dipper on Feb 19, 2010 6:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Lamar Odom

Lamar Odom smiled and looked happy until the final buzzer…I wonder why…LOL

by Celtics9Lakers2 on Feb 19, 2010 4:52 AM EST reply actions  

Odom is trash, playing that game with a smile and laughing it up

only to lose like the chump he is and having to go home to his ugly materialistic wife

by incoherent. on Feb 19, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mediocrity

If a “win” ever translated into mediocrity this was it. Daniels with a line that would have shamed even Scalabrine. Beaten on the boards. When was the last time Odom got 14 rebounds. If Bryant had played, the Celtics would have been drubbed. Garnett, at least for this year, is finished. And not to forget Wallace’s pathetic display.

by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 19, 2010 5:16 AM EST reply actions  

"When was the last time Odom got 14 rebounds"

January 27th against Indiana was the last time he had exactly 14 rebounds, but he had 18 on Tuesday against Golden State and 22 Feb. 6 at Portland. In fact, in the 15-game stretch right after Christmas (during which he had double-digit rebounds 14 times), he had at least 14 rebounds eight times.

http://rhymeswithhondo.blogspot.com

by Rhymes With Hondo on Feb 19, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Garnett looked much healthier. He was awesome in deffense and scoring some beautiful shots. I have new hope in this team watching Ray shooting like he used to.

by Juanjo on Feb 19, 2010 5:23 AM EST reply actions  

sheed should not get the tech.foul he was just fighting to get position and he was as aggressive as pau.if any it should be double tech.he had a off night .still good win.and he will be more then ready for portland since he didnt play much in this game

by sunra on Feb 19, 2010 7:26 AM EST reply actions  

I am so upset! I was expecting huge lead at the end of the game. It seems the Celtics can’t dominate the Lakers without Kobe Bryant. How come? Come on guys play your balls.

For sure Kendrick Perkins would be season’s MVP! MVP! MVP!

by ladynica4u on Feb 19, 2010 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

Arguably BETTER without Kobe as he's been lately

…putting up terrible numbers, hobbled… seemed like he was hurting more than helping. Hence the layoff (which, btw, he might be using to also fix that broken finger… would be smart if so.)

by DRJ1 on Feb 19, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and how sweet to see nuggets sweeping cavs this year and i think melo is better then bron.good work

by sunra on Feb 19, 2010 7:41 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree, but Carmelo was awesome last night. Hopefully he does that against the Lakers in the playoffs.

by Berkcelt on Feb 19, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

so we beat the fakers. good. the fakers are way more athletic than we are even without kobe. ray was huge on top of huge. perk finally woke up and came out of his cave. the effort was there and we do rely way too much on pp at the end of games. how about rondo’s 5 steals ( and many tipped passes ). artest looks like a super pickup for the fakers. now to the hot tubs. doc had them practicing and going to shootarounds which seemed to make a positive influence, but this team is so old and fragile that their energy seems to have to be doled out carefully in small doses. hope ta is alright.

by nazzbo on Feb 19, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

More athletic especially at the bigs positions. Good observation on Rondo’s steals. I thought he really stemmed the tide with them, plus we also got some easy buckets off them.

by Berkcelt on Feb 19, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

"Beat" requires action...

Lakers lost.

2nd straight game where the Celtics didn’t play well enough to win, but the opponent choked at the ft line

by nba is the worst on Feb 19, 2010 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

damn kobe means 1pt in celts-lakes games huh..talk about avenging a loss!

by cheekmeister on Feb 19, 2010 8:19 AM EST reply actions  

considering how horrible sheed played.. it’s like we won by 10! lmao

by cheekmeister on Feb 19, 2010 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

only the nuggets and celtics won against cavs and lakers @ their homecourts!

by cheekmeister on Feb 19, 2010 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

Really happy with the win, but....

The trio formerly known as the Big 3 was 0-10 in the fourth quarter and went 1-17 in the fourth quarter this year against the Lakers. Not pretty.

by vinnie on Feb 19, 2010 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

Blame the LA loss on Phil Jackson

I couldn’t believe Bynum wasn’t playing late in the game. He was a dominating presence all night in the paint.
The C’s effort on defense was the best I can remember in a long time.

Hats off to Sheed, he pushed, shoved and banged Gasol all night.

Perk did well shutting Gasol down at the end.

It looked like LA could have used KryptoNate in the 4th quarter.

Great effort by the C’s

by Little D on Feb 19, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Rondo not getting enough credit here

Every one of his steals were huge for us, and he deflected/almost stole about 3-4 more passes. You think Rondo wasn’t in Pau’s head a little bit?

I just can’t get over what a complete player he’s become. In the first half he even had his jump shot going for him. The problem with his shooting it seems is that he’s somebody who scores almost entirely on the move. When he steps in or pulls up for a jumper off the dribble he’s usually pretty good. At the end of games, when the ball pops out to him and he shoots a stationary jumper – that’s the one area he still really struggles.

by milt palacio's shot on Feb 19, 2010 8:57 AM EST reply actions  

Blame it on Fisher

The Celtics’ 2nd half swoon continued with the 11-pt quarter, and Fisher was 1-3 at the stripe

C’s still out in the first playoff round

by nba is the worst on Feb 19, 2010 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Folks here are entitled to their opinions, but why the negativity this morning from some? We beat LA for *^% sake. Who cares if Kobe did not play? The Lakers are still a formidable opponent. We have ragged on these guys since xmas and called for trading Ray (not me). Let’s look at the positives. Ray was on fire, most likely due to the passing of the trade deadline. If he continues to shoot like that, we are a whole different team and the floor spreads even wider. KG had a spring in his step. Rondo another great game. Perk hauling down the rebounds. These guys were clearly motivated to play well, and my guess is the passing of the deadline had something to do with it, as well as not breaking up the core of the team and ruining chemistry. Perhaps McHale was right and that these guys are going to turn it on after the All-Star Break. I will live and die with these guys the rest of the season no matter what happens or who plays.

by JPV on Feb 19, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

We're not done yet!

Nate was obtained to help prevent that swoon and Paul missed two consecutive free throws. We have played LA to the wire twice, we’re at the same elite level is they are. The season comes down to KG being healthy, just like last year.

by Little D on Feb 19, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

And therein lies the problem

Same elite level? With Kobe hurt in the 1st game and not playing in the 2nd?

Whatever you say…

by nba is the worst on Feb 19, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Who are you a fan of?

You seem to be a cry baby laker fan.. Anyway, if you want to blame everything on Kobe being out, we played without a bench, and this team has played maybe 5 games together healthy. KG still isn’t back 100%, whatever that is at 33, Paul hurt his hand ( 2nd injury of regular season, hurt his foot a couple weeks ago) and missed freethrows down the stretch mainly because of the hand. TA also hurt.

by bleedgreen34 on Feb 19, 2010 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lakers got praise for winning 4 straight without kobe (incuding @ utah)

but when boston beat them @ home, it’s because they didn’t have kobe. gotta love the media.

by post-it note on Feb 19, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

and 1

the few, the proud, the boston celtics

by bleedgreen34 on Feb 19, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Healthy KG doesn't account for anything?

Please, the Lakers lost a game at home against a Celtics team that is playing at 75%

by Little D on Feb 19, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Win!

All you so called celtic fans that have been ripping the team and not standing behind them and supporting them during their slump will be eating your words. Alot of folks have written them off, Boston sports writers too. Like Doc said after the game last night, “for those of you that jumped off the bandwagon, stay off”. I agree. I bleed green, always have and always will. I will never give up on the Celts! Fairweather fans have no place in a great sports town and franchise like BOSTON!!!

by VikingsCeltics on Feb 19, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Amen brother. Glad Doc said that last night. I love this blog but it astonishes me how some are so easy to give up on this team. Are you kidding me? Let’s get another big off the waiver wire, bring Nate around, get everyone more minutes and get ready for the second season. These guys are competitors and want to win. I do not think for one minute that they will not play their hearts out in the playoffs.

by JPV on Feb 19, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Matchups

The Celtics match up well against the Lakers. For starters, the Lakers have no one who can handle Rondo. Fisher and Farmar are not up to the task. Even if the Lakers have Kobe I think the Celtics could eke out a win in a 7 game series.

The Celtics’ problem is that they probably won’t get far enough in the playoffs to face the Lakers. Laker fans should stop worrying about the Celtics and start worrying about Dallas and Denver, in their own conference, plus Cleveland and Atlanta in the EC. All four of those teams are better than the Celtics.

by Brickowski on Feb 19, 2010 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

It is it what is

1 game at a time – Last night should boost their fragile confidence. Tonights game up in Portland will be a bitch though.

Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions

by QuinielaBox on Feb 19, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

the win last night will mean nothing if we dont win tonight!

so we need it! (if we have the focus like last night, and play that defense, we should breeze through tonight)

by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 19, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

BEAT LA!

Its funny how everyone said injuries to the celtics wasnt an excuse. But today comes…“the lakers only loss to the celtics because they didnt have Kobe”. Please. Kobe was injured, but the c’s have had injured players all year, so it’s no excuse. We won and that’s all.

I love what post-it note said up above a few posts too.

by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 19, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

How do you like that?

How sweet is a Lakers defeat?

RAY RAY CAME TO PLAY! I’ll be saying that a lot for the rest of the year, followed by, I told you Ray needed to stay.

And wait, is there hope for KG? He looked pretty great last night. It must just tear up all your dis-believers and faithless, to see KG proving you wrong.

Next stop Portland. And, if we win, can you not put (without Brandon Roy)… I’m sure none of the other blogs were putting (without KG or PP) when they beat us. How bout’ a rally call instead!

by stevenfuzz on Feb 19, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

“Ray ray came to play
I told yall Ray needed to stay!”

i love that haha.

and that last part too. its so true. what were u thinking Jefff?! :D

by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 19, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Great victory by Boston

Lakers fan here. There was no Kobe, which is huge. Plus the Lakers played a horrible game, especially at the end. The Garnett shot should have been a 24 second shot clock violation, and no one tipped the ball so it should have been ball out to the Lakers. Instead they somehow gave it to the Celtics, and Perkins had a put back. That said, the Lakers still lost at home.

The question is, can the Celtics win a 7 game series with Kobe healthy and playing? That i highly doubt. I don’t think the Celtics have the talent level to beat either the Cavs, Lakers or Nuggets (yes, i said Nuggets who i think are the third best team in the NBA). The big three have aged too much to be effective against high caliber competition.

by plyka on Feb 19, 2010 12:52 PM EST reply actions  

I believe the Celtics can beat anyone in a 7 game series, provided all their players are healthy. If so, no other team has the talent to match them from 1 to 9. The Lakers are a great team but they also have some weaknesses. If you want to talk about age creeping in, then Derek Fisher is on the down side of his career. They need a younger PG to keep up with the Rondos of the world. Rondo will wear him out in a 7 game series. Their bench is suspect. Luke Walton is injured and may be out the rest of the season. Farmer and V too inconsistent. Shannon is a keeper but could not stay with Ray (remember him, another old guy….) last night. I am honestly more concerned with the Hawks than I am with the Lakers, Magic or Cavs. If I were you, I would be concerned about the Nuggets. I predicted on this site in the pre-season that the Celts would face the Nuggets in the finals. I stand by that. The Nuggets and Carmelo looked scary good and not even the gazillion points that LeBron scored last night prevented the loss. At home……

by JPV on Feb 19, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Stand by

Until the 1st playoff round.

Brickowski is correct – Celtics will not make the finals

by nba is the worst on Feb 19, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I beg to differ!

You wrote:
“If you want to talk about age creeping in, then Derek Fisher is on the down side of his career.”

There is no way that fisher is at the down side of his career! Fisher is at the absolute GRAVE of his career. He is an embarrassment on the court. You are definitely right about Fisher. But unfortunately for you guys, that doesn’t really mean much. Fisher is the worst player on the Lakers team. Garnett/Pierce/Ray/Sheed are supposed to be the best. You have Rondo, who is playing well. But the old 4, not so much.

by plyka on Feb 20, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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