Deadline Leftovers

…I like the trade but am disappointed that we didn`t do something major. Or at least add another player or two to the bench (a back up SF, big man)…

Like it or not this is pretty much our roster for the next couple of years…

I am genetically wired to like the guys we’ve got over the available guys out there. And I particularly loved Eddie. But I would do this trade (ex Walker would have been better). Robinson can be amazing on offense and the few times I’ve seen him his defense has been agressive/gambling. Not lazy. He has the same size knock for a guard as Glen Davis has as a big – can be backed down. But Glen uses what he’s got (wide body) and Nate will use his quickness. Both are tremendous athletes (which was why I did not want to part with Davis)
I think you may be channeling Ricky Davis (who I didn’t mind altogether either), but I think Nate is a gamer.

I think we are in deep trouble going forward. Trading Ray was our only chance to get a young star. Next year we will have the same team only older… God help us.

Seems like the majority of people aren’t too pysched about Nate. On the radio people seemed to like Eddie better. Well they are all 100% wrong. Nate is LIGHTYEARS better than Eddie and he is a perfect fit on this bench.

5 games until everyone is calling the radio stations loving on Nate.

we need another big if Shelden is out…no Sheed = no chance but it’s hard to see him float thru games after watching Sheldon bust his butt…got till march 1st correct???

this is all very simple. If the team starts winning games then the fans will get back on the bandwagon. Danny did nothing at the trade deadline to get the fans excited so now it’s on the players which is where it should be. I’m bothered by the lack of smarts that our vets display at times. Bad passes, bad shots etc. it’s been a problem all year and last night we again were sloppy with the ball. I just don’t see the fundamentals with this group. I know they can play better but when you have to overcome age, lack of quickness and sloppy play that’s a lot to fix.

or he’ll be in Doc’s doghouse before 10 games go by. People are saying Nate needs a “Player’s Coach” but hasn’t D’Antoni always been described as the ultimate Player’s Coach?

Basically, I cannot see this addressing any of the Celtics’ needs, never mind what Nate needs. He does not initiate offense any better than Eddie House, or Tony Allen or Marquis Daniels for that matter. Does anyone really want these guys running the team in the playoffs? The idea that Daniels could be a back-up point has been shot down several times, none more vividly than last night when he had to be pulled before he completely melted down to Lakers pressure. Rondo will still have to be a 45 minute guy in the playoffs.

Ainge’s rather bizarre comment “But he did that (play defense) in the time before that” is just ludicrous. Is he talking about Middle Earth time when Hobbits and Wizards walked the land? Nate is an atrocious team defender and not too hot on the ball either.

Doug Collins had the figures to show last night how the Celtics have declined in so many categories from their championship year. Can’t see Nate helping any of these problem areas – offensive rebounds, turnovers (he sees lots of open guys in the stands), team defense.

Perhaps there is a buyout guy or two to be brought in. It’s hard to see how that would help at this point given Doc’s preference for sticking with guys. Can you see him benching Rasheed or Baby in favor of another big? Daniels in favor of another wing player?

I think what we are seeing now is what we will see for the balance of the season. If Garnett somehow manages to regain his old pre-injury form; If Ray Allen’s legs get younger; If Paul Pierce starts playing an overall game again rather than being a jump-shooter who doesn’t rebound or defend as well; well, there are a lot of ifs.

We’ll just ride it out like Ainge is doing, but unless something miraculous occurs in the way this team plays I expect to see a much different group of guys wearing green jerseys next year.

last night. Glad for the W. Gonna give Nate a break and see how this works out. The second unit could sure use someone who can create offense ala Crawford in Atl and others. We could use a rebounder but not sure one will be available via buyout. I wouldn’t mind Butler if he is cut by the Clips. He could help. Also wondering whether Pierce will have to adjust his game as he is looking slower and slower. I know the injuries play a big part but maybe he could try something along the lines of how MJ was doing his post up fallaway in his later years. Or Adrian Dantley at the end of his career with Detroit was a tough matchup closer to the basket not out to 20 feet like Pierce likes to start his isolation at.

He also gave up a draft choice. 2nd round, conditional, but still a draft choice. He ought to be shot. Robinson is a two month rental, not a part of this team’s future.

Next year we’ll go through the same drill with Pierce. Everyone here will be saying “Pierce is a Celtics icon, you can’t trade him!” And Ainge won’t. And the team shills in the press will praise Ainge for “keeping the tradition alive.”

The year after that it will be Garnett, who won’t be traded either, and the year after that they’ll be the new New Jersey Nets.

He didn’t develop JR or Walker or Lester. Arguably CLifford Ray is the only coach on our team who has actually developed our players. baby, leon ,perk and jefferson all developed under clifford ray but who has doc developed? Rondo? Maybe but I’d say that Rondo developed Rondo more than Doc. Doc sure didn’t teach ROndo to shoot. He went and did that on his own. So in a year when our stars were older and injured Doc never played giddens or walker. He kept taking the short view and tried to win games even though he was playing ray pierce etc too many minutes. As a result our old guys are good for about 1/2 of bball and that’s it. Doc should have cracked the whip on rasheed when he arrived overweight and out of shape. Doc should have had them practicing but instead he pampered them. Doc should have told sheed to stop shooting 3’s and to stop whining to the refs. ditto for Perk. Doc should have come up with new ways to get eddie and ray going and he should have come up with a way to score points down the stretch without going to a Pierce ISO all the time. Doc should have done all of these things but he didn’t. Instead he trotted out the same old plays and same old offense only with a bunch of older and slower guys . Somewhere along the way a coach has to change things when you’re losing games. as much as anything Eddie House is gone because Doc Rivers has refused to change.

What winning environment? We have been a sub .500 team for two months now.

I think there is still a chance to trade Ray Allen at the end of the season for someone who wants the expiring contract (feel free to correct me if I’m wrong). If that is the case, then Danny could trade him for a free agent and sign him immediately or for another player with a longer contract on a team that needs cap relief. It would definitely hook the team for a lot more tax money, but if possible it could help them reload and then resign Allen.

The contract will have expired. Ray will be an unrestricted free agent. You could do a sign and trade, but that assumes that some other team will want Ray as a basketball player. He has no further value for cap relief purposes. That value went “poof!” at 3:00 pm yesterday.

Nate the great….

Does initiate offense, and create his own shot, easily. We don’t have this on the bench right now. Eddie on Steroids as Barkley said. He can and will often go off for more than 20, from the bench. He is also one of the top 10 fastest guys in the league. D’Antoni hated his showboating. I think Doc sees this as a way to get his guys fired up. When the starters on the bench see Nate dribble the ball through someones legs and posterize an elite center, it is seriously going to fire them up. Wasn’t he 3rd in voting for 6th man award last year?

It’s interesting, a lot of media is all about this trade. Out on the West coast, they think it’s a great move by the C’s. Even the Nicks fans think they got shafted (that Nate is better than 2 x the-entire-trade). But basically all I have seen is negativity here.

If nothing else, he’s fun to watch.

The problem I have is with the trade that wasn’t made. It may not have been Ainge’s fault, but the fact is that the rebuilding just got deferred for another two years— because there is no way they will trade Pierce. We’re stuck with the aging core until Garnett’s deal expires, and then we become the New Jersey Nets. That’s just the way it is.

Isn’t he older than anyone on our “old” roster?

I haven’t seen one SO full of nonsense yet. Feels like stepping into an alternate universe, where the Cs didn’t play a great game just last night, didn’t beat the Lakers just last night, and aren’t right there in the running as they are. So many bad posts… can’t list them all. Will go through them upstairs.

Personally, I think Nate is gonna bring something to the table we desperately need – the ability for a guy in an ISO to get his own shot AND finish.

You celtic fans need to stop whining.. If you talk to any knick fan like myself youll find out that you guys got a steal.. There is no one who can guard nate.. He is an excellent 3 point shooter.. good passer.. and all this talk about showboating.. It cant get any worse than what Kg does every game.. Or rasheed wallace who cant even control his temper..

nate has had amazing games.. several 20 point quaters.. 41 off the bench.. talk about no defense the dude blocks shots at 5’7.. Nate can do the impossible.. and you guys got a steal.. nate has done everything he has on probably the worst team in the past decade.. Imagine how good hell be with 4 other players on the floor who demand respect.. A Rondo and Robinson backcourt maybe the fastest in Nba history and you guys are whining.. Smh.. let the play do the talking.. the game is not played on the blog, newspaper, its played on the court..

Brick, why do you assume in two years we will be the New Jersey Nets? I assume you believe that no one of any significance will sign with the C’s the summer that KG’s deal is done? If so, that is an opinion, not necessarily fact.

    The good way is too really suck and get the Numero Uno draft pick in the year a Uber player comes out. EG: Orlando with Shaq, Cleveland with Lebron, OK with Durant. Then continue to suck for another year and get another Uber player.

    The bad (worst way) example would be an Indiana example. Have the team go from good to bad overnight almost (The Artest, Jackson, The center with Miami now – can’t think of his name. Then be good enought to draft in the mid to high teens every year, meaning you get decent players who keep you a decent team, continuously fighting to get to a first round dump out of the playoffs.

    The lucky: Great luck is drafting a player in the mid first to late second round who becomes a star. Doesnt happen every day but it does happen. The Unlucky: Lose players like Bias and Reggie Lewis to totally unforseen circumstances.

     Also the other factors: Be in a city with vast tv revenue and endorsements, warm weather and no state income tax. This gives you a strong chance for the best free agents. NOTE: DANNY DID A GREAT JOB being in a city with heavy taxes and truly nasty weather and mediocre TV and endorsements, and still bringing home KG, RA in trade for mostly late drafted players and future picks in the first round that were too low to matter much.

We are really just positioning ourselves for an Agent Zero signing on July 1 (because the Wizards will definitely not leave him on their roster).

Brick, What you say is true except that there’s a different perception by potential free agents of the Nets franchise vs the C’s. Players want to play with winners, not have to rebuild a franchise from the ground up. It will be interesting to see who wants to take the Knicks cap space this summer to sign with them. I bet James doesn’t. My guess is that Wade stays in Miami. I bet the Knicks are privately praying that they can land Bosh and Joe Johnson but I don’t see that either. Johnson is the one guy I see changing uniforms. I wouldn’t be surprised even to see Bosh stay with the Raptors. With a harder cap coming by the time KG is gone more teams could be in a tighter payroll situation than the C’s giving Danny more wiggle room on salary than most. As long as we stay pretty competitive these next two years, which I think we will, we should look ok as a destination to whomever is out on the market that summer.

Wasn’t it a few short years ago that the Nets, with Kidd, KMart and Jefferson, were routinely drubbing the lowly Celtics?

I’ll tell you what the Nets have that the Celtics don’t have: 1) New York City 2) a billionaire owner who is willing to spend money 3) Brook Lopez

It ties their hands too much, and my guess is that they well trade it for other concessions. Besides, it’s really hard to sit across from Billy Hunter at the negotiating table and ask the union to save the owners from themselves.

What the owners DO want is lower maximum salaries and a limit on the number of years that can be guaranteed. On these points they have a solid argument, because paying outrageous guaranteed amounts to players who are no longer producing just takes money away from other guys who are more deserving, and those other guys happen to be union members too.