Seven Seconds Or Mess
by Jeff Clark on Feb 23, 2010 9:11 PM EST
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PrintIn his debut for the Celtics, Nate Robinson was predictably hot and cold. Without a grasp of the offense, he was playing a glorified game of pickup, which honestly isn't all that different than what he's been doing all his career in New York.
- Pierce sat out tonight with a sore thumb and a case of the flu.
- Nice to see the ovation for House. He was a lot of fun to watch and the fans showed him the love.
- Turning the page, the fans also gave Nate a "welcome to Boston" ovation.
- Of course Bill Walker stole the show with some high flying dunks. He could be a very nice fit on that team.
- Sergio Rodriguez looks right at home as well. Donnie Walsh quietly got some nice pieces out of those trades.
- David Lee must be a ninja, because the C's never saw him until he was laying the ball in, time and time again.
- Celtics can't play at the Knicks pace and hope to stay with them the whole game. Gotta slow it down.
- Another big game for Ray Allen despite only going 1-5 from 3.
- Huge stats game for Rondo with 16 assists to go with 15 points and 3 steals (and one big dunk)
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quote Mike Breen (knicks play by play announcer)
Around the eight minute mark in the 4th quarter he said this, “They’ve got the noise meter on the big screen… they dont need a noise meter. These fans are too good.”
What's the matter? The CIA got you pusing too many pencil?
by adubson on Feb 23, 2010 9:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yet he kept bringing it up
Over and over. It’s as if he’d never seen one of those things before.
Something about Doc
As a player’s coach he’s letting his players play lazy. That’s what it looks like to me. How can veterans leave so many pick n rolls wide open if they were trying. The Knicks have a nice rotation now. I never thought Duhon was worth much. Rodriguez looks at home. KG and Rasheed should have 20 each and David Lee shouldn’t have so many open shots. these are calls that I think Doc should be screaming about
of course Bill Walker looked awesome
Why do I get the feeling we’ll regret giving up on him so soon?
because we will regret it…the kid was a top 15 pick had he not had knee surgery… he has natural talent and heart. Doc just never gave the kid the time of day
by Nick Sannicandro on Feb 23, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
d jones, j johnson, need more examples? we did it again
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 23, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
we worked out Birdman last year but signed Patrick O'Bryant instead
and same thing with Ben Wallace at the beginning of his career
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 24, 2010 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
Walker is not even close to Joe Johnson
Dahntay was a Celtic five seconds. I’m glad Danny brought Perk here instead.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 24, 2010 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
um...guys...take it easy
walker had plenty of talent, but not much of a complete game. personally, i would have liked to have held on to him longer, but how many guys have talent like him who don’t do anything? i mean, if he was really doing so well in practice, i think doc would have found a way to get him real minutes. also, keep in mind, you only need to play offense on a d’antonio team, and fact is, most players in the nba could score a lot if you gave them enough chances…so if walker puts up good offensive numbers the rest of the year, i really don’t know what that means.
by guy incognito on Feb 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Walker looked right at home on the floor
You have to ask yourself why he never looked like that in Boston. Of course, some will say there’s no pressure playing for the Knicks, but all the players on that team are playing for contracts next year.
If George Hill had Rivers as a coach his first two years, he’d still be riding the pine with people wondering if he could play. The C’s will rue the day they gave up Walker, especially in a deal to get a chump like Robinson.
by lemonade sky on Feb 23, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
two things...
first,
i mean, if he was really doing so well in practice, i think doc would have found a way to get him real minutes
Why do you think this? Doc has a pretty lousy track record as far as playing rookies who deserve a chance. Ryan Gomes and Leon Powe both only got extended minutes when somebody else got hurt halfway through the season. Rondo played behind Telfair for an entire season. Guys like Lester Hudson and Bill Walker saw virtually no time this year, even when the C’s were shorthanded, or when the rotation players were dogging it…
secondly, I am bummed about losing Walker too, given that his contract extends for 2 more years at minimum money. He’s essentially a no-risk player with lots of potential… and he might even have filled a need on this team next year. But in the Robinson trade DA obviously had to choose to include either Walker or at least one draft pick. Who knows if Danny can do better with a pick in the late 20’s? Clearly DA thinks he CAN do better, given that Walker hasn’t blown anyone away. Ainge is someone who always believes he can find the steal of the draft, and so he takes a swing for the fences approach. Keeping Bill Walker is just a single in the mind of Danny…
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 24, 2010 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
Even with the guy gone we have to hear this garbage. Gerald Green made big dunks too! Where’s he playing at right now?
by KY Celts fan on Feb 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eddie and Bill
Nice to see them play well I hope Bill comes back to haunt us in the worst way…itll mean Ainge is out sooner. And Eddie deserved better than to be sold down the river for this sorry excuse of a player
by Nick Sannicandro on Feb 23, 2010 10:06 PM EST reply actions
yeah, get rid of that bum ainge
he only got us from 20 wins to banner #17.
by guy incognito on Feb 23, 2010 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Rondo's dunk
Had a similar one after the whistle blew against Denver on Sunday…Kind of becoming his trademark dunking style. I like it.
Didnt get to watch the game
I didnt get to watch the game and so this post isnt about it. I dont know how to start a thread or find an old one so I thought I would just put it here. On BBD new nickname, has anyone thought of “The wrecking ball”? Just curious.
I think for the most part
People are trying to stay away from nicknames for him right now… “The wrecking ball” certainly isn’t not a bad one, but after all his incidents this year, I think he and the organization just want him to be known as “Glen Davis”. More focused on his play, rather than the nickname, you know?
Or we could go for a happy medium that incorporates his play
You know, something like “The guy challenging for the league lead in percentage of FGAs blocked who also broke his hand popping a buddy.”
Kinda catchy, isn’t it?
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 24, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Ainge ain't the problem
He drafted Walker. Talk to the coach, who never played him.
Perkins continues to disappoint. Seems to have given up. Seems pissed off at his team-mates.
This is not the make up of a championship team. One and done, I fear.
Bill Walker played on good game
So has Hudson. My guess is both of these guys will be 10th-12th men on whatever team they wind up on next year.
yes, that 6-7 fg for 12 pts. and 2 blocks really shows that Perk isn’t playing with any real effort. Can’t we for once get a center who shoots 100% from the floor?
by KY Celts fan on Feb 23, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
100% would be great.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 24, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
Best line in the Chat tonight while I was there was.....
“Nate Robinson looks like Tony Allen in Middle School”
Love Ray and Rondo tonight…….Queesy was also good
If we still have a “lock-down” defensive team we must have locked ourselves out (my tribute to Rodney Dangerfield)
I like wins but not impressive on the D……
Is it Soup Yet?
i don’t mind winning ugly if they play good d, but it was ole today. something is wrong mentally with perk. too many mental errors and he does look angry at his mates. sheed really was a no show. stayed outside on offense when he could have gobbled them up inside. never rolled to the basket. real lazy out there. nate tried too hard but was not really that much outside of the team play. quis and ray are the 2 smoothies on this team. kg was gassed in period 4, no pop in his legs.
Did I miss a time when Perk looked happy about...anything?
Hope you’re doing well, nazzbo.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 24, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ray
What about Ray? He was awesome. He played better than any player we could have ever hoped to have traded him for.
That's right
For several games now… ever since the trading deadline passed.
Maybe he feels like he has something to prove.
by Justin_Bobo on Feb 23, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was really boring
The whole game was… except for Ray’s block and seeing Nate for the first time. It seemed like the Celtics just REFUSED to win this game. Over and over and over… they refused to put em away. Whatever… game was a pill. A sleeping pill.
Nate didn’t have a great game, but when has the ball it feel reliable. Like… we don’t have to worry that he’ll screw it up (a la Eddie, Paul, old/bad TA, etc.) So as soon as Nate gets the system here, I think we’ll see great things from him.
Nate and reliable shouldn't be in the same sentence
without an un- somewhere. The guard Ainge should have acquired was directing the Knicks offense.
by lemonade sky on Feb 24, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Eddie gave the Celts the win
5 open shots from the 3-pt line…
by nba is the worst on Feb 24, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not a exciting game to watch to say the least......
Flat game by the C’s as they looked not interested in playing this game.
I am really getting concerned with Babys subpar play as he is containing to play in a funk which he has been in all year.
Considering Garnett has health issues and will have off nights we need Baby to pick up the slack and step up his game.
He has got to start playing in games as well as he chews on his mouth guard…. lol .
Robinson did not impress in this game offensively or defensively, but hey it was only his first game so I guess we can cut him some slack.
Walker looked great tonight, I wonder why we do not get players like him.
Too bad Doc never gave the kid a chance to play.
David Lee sure is a nice player.. wish he was a Celtic.
Chandler of the Knicks (a guy I have been urging the C’s to get all year) also looked good tonight.
disagree somewhat
because of the timing. I think that in three of the last 4 games, BBD has played much better. I’ve seen signs of him going back to using his bulk to create shot space and when its not there, going for the foul instead of the shot (which would be blocked) by powering up with his arms instead of leading with the ball. He also got that to work tonight. He was very effective in Friday’s game cutting to the basket to receive passes underneath from Ray off the pick.
BBD HAS the talent to be productive even without length. He just has to remember to think “Wes Unseld” and not “Kareem”.
Walker will look great in the Knick’s system. He doesn’t have to learn or play a sophisticated defense under D’Antoni. (Not that the C’s played one either in the 3rd period today …).
He’ll also have no reason to defer shooting to anybody else in the Knick’s system.
Additional thoughts on Baby...
What concerns me most about Baby is how he has not gotten back so far this year to the player he was last year..especially the player we saw in the playoffs.
I just think he has regressed as a player this year.
My biggest frustration with Baby is his big problem finishing around the rim offensively which has really been a issue for him this year.
He must have the most number of personal shots altered or blocked for a power forward in the NBA.
I think this is mainly due to the fact he is not a very lengthy or athletic power forward since he is only 6’8" (though he is listed at 6’9" that is a inflated #), has a short arm wing span is over weight and has poor jumping ability also.
To remedy this defect in Babys game I agree that he must get back to trying to carve out space (vertically) to get his defender away from him so he can get his shot off easier without it getting blocked.
This will also help him get more rebounds just like it did for Unseld & Oakley .
The funny thing is Baby did carve out space much better last year, so its puzzling why he has a problem doing so this year.
Maybe its just a mechanics thing, that he can work on and remedy.
I just hope he does so soon as we need more production from the back up power forward position (especially with KG ailing this year) if we want to make a solid run in the playoffs this year.
But just in case, Id really feel better if the C’s could acquire a long, athletic power forward as insurance through a buy out signing next month.
I totally agree that he regressed
largely because after getting in great shape for camp, he then got out of shape while he was injured.
But lately, this last couple of weeks I believe I see definite signs that he’s finding his way back to where he needs to be.
i cant believe we have to hear about bill walker
the guy scored seven points.. he can jump and hustle thats about it.. can we please get over it??
A win without the Captain. I’ll take how ever many wins the Celtics can muster – no matter how ugly – while PP heals up.
I agree.
We are still working out the kinks. We should be there by the time the playoffs start. It was a win and so many people are treating it as a loss. Bill Walker should be able to get at least 12 points a game on this team. No defense = more offense.
Concur.
No only were they missing Paul – but the fact is that the man rotation has had basically zero minutes all year with Daniels in at SF. He simply has not played any minutes in that role with Perk, KG, Rondo & Ray before. They also haven’t even had hardly any real practice yet with Robinson. He’s expected to be a top-8 rotation guy yet he and they have no idea yet how to integrate into this team. They’ll finally get a full practice tomorrow.
Lots of kinks to shake out.
I just wish if you are to call yourselves celtic fans atleast be realistic and honest and know what you are talking about.This is the truth and these are the facts so you will know for future reference.Doc Rivers never,NEVER played the youth he never willingly did so on any consistant or meaningful basis I aint mad that’s who he is as a coach but quit the bs talk about Gerald green as if he had any clue of his future,he only played al jefferson and perk because of injuries and after we decided to trade what we could away as far as contracts and tank the 2006 season and yes we very openly tanked that season Paul could have played the last couple months he was perfectly healthy,That’s also when TA started to see floor time.Sebastian even saw the floor Also remember Doc was not to happy about using Rondo and even after we won 17 in large thanks to Rondo.Doc wanted to trade him so please don’t talk or act as though Doc has some natural eye for talent or that practice can show what a player can or will do in real game situations that just makes you sound like you never played.The fact is we are the number one defensde in the league and that bum walker just had a better all around game than anyone off our bench just give the man credit good for him quit being such a staunch supporter of doc that it makes you sound like a fanatic it makes real celtic fans look weak.Docs gonna win or lose coaching the way he knows he’ll be hard as hell on Rondo but let Sheed do whatever the hell he wants ,he’ll be hard on perk but let sheed and Kg sag off screens miss rotations Let ray and eddie jack it up 5 for 20 combined who cares .He is going to live and die with his vets and I respect it and am atleast honest about it.He aint that good of a coach he ‘s a solid nba guy a decent coach that’s it love my team bleed green and white.good win without the Captain and good game Billy .
by reggie_35 on Feb 23, 2010 11:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yes, Doc never played any that young talent, and the fact that none of them that he didn’t play are still in the league means absolutely nothing to some people. And the fact that Doc has a championship, Coach of the Year honors, and has complete respect of his players also means nothing. And completely disregard all those stories of athletes wanting to play for him since he knows how to deal with them and give them the respect they deserve.
I hear the Thunder just won their eighth straight. Why don’t you jump on that bandwagon for a while.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 23, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I continue to post the same thing
I ask for the names of all of the young players Doc refused to play that are now having a major impact on their team. The answer, of course, is zero.
I just wish if you are to call yourselves celtic fans atleast be realistic and honest and know what you are talking about.This is the truth and these are the facts so you will know for future reference.Doc Rivers never,NEVER played the youth he never willingly did so on any consistant or meaningful basis I aint mad that’s who he is as a coach but quit the bs talk about Gerald green as if he had any clue of his future,he only played al jefferson and perk because of injuries and after we decided to trade what we could away as far as contracts and tank the 2006 season and yes we very openly tanked that season Paul could have played the last couple months he was perfectly healthy,That’s also when TA started to see floor time.Sebastian even saw the floor Also remember Doc was not to happy about using Rondo and even after we won 17 in large thanks to Rondo.Doc wanted to trade him so please don’t talk or act as though Doc has some natural eye for talent or that practice can show what a player can or will do in real game situations that just makes you sound like you never played.The fact is we are the number one defensde in the league and that bum walker just had a better all around game than anyone off our bench just give the man credit good for him quit being such a staunch supporter of doc that it makes you sound like a fanatic it makes real celtic fans look weak.Docs gonna win or lose coaching the way he knows he’ll be hard as hell on Rondo but let Sheed do whatever the hell he wants ,he’ll be hard on perk but let sheed and Kg sag off screens miss rotations Let ray and eddie jack it up 5 for 20 combined who cares .He is going to live and die with his vets and I respect it and am atleast honest about it.He aint that good of a coach he ‘s a solid nba guy a decent coach that’s it love my team bleed green and white.good win without the Captain and good game Billy .
by reggie_35 on Feb 23, 2010 11:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Perk
will be the next regular who will be in numerous trade rumors this summer. Thank goodness we kept Ray though, eh Master?
message to Bill Walker posse:
go root for the Knicks.
You have any idea how many college players can slam dunk ?
hundreds.
Anyone with a brain would be glad we got Nate, but no..
as if the two players are even remotely comparable
Here we go ok some more facts for you hate for the truth to get in the way of anything,First off I like Doc ,but he won coach of the year for taking an average orlando team and making them average ,average record and skillfully got molested in the first round.I said he’s a solid nba guy nba guys like him,but as far as guys killing themselves to oplay for him where were they before KG and Ray got here ,NOWHERE to be found,we are a great franchise with a great history but from about 92 til 2007 nobody wanted to come here,with exception of an old xavier mcdaniel,a real old dominique wilkins,and sherman douglas.People aint comin here on the strength of Doc alone buddy.I’m a C fan for over 25 years don’t question my integrity as a fan because I like the truth.They are and when I say they I mean pj brown sam cassel stphon marbury mikki moore marquis daniels and sheed want to come here to possibly be on a successful team which none have except sheed and pj for a second with the nets.So who was it really Doc or kg ray paul rondo and the chance to win a ring.Facts are so nice
by reggie_35 on Feb 23, 2010 11:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They should have refunded everyone's money tonight
I had to keep switching to the Olympics to keep from falling asleep. Even Tommy was wondering whether Perk was still in Denver. Both teams were pretty pathetic and disinterested.
At least the C’s started to show some signs of becoming an actual team on the West Coast, but they have to stop the coasting.
Unfortunately they still – three years later – need a backup point guard. From Sam Cassell to Marbury to Nate Robinson. It just keeps getting worse. I’d suit up Tyronne Lue at this point.
It will be interesting to see which Celtic team shows up against the Cavaliers on Thursday. A lot of people made a big deal about beating the Lakers without Kobe, saying it was a quality win. With Pierce out, by this logic, the C’s should be able to handle Cleveland anyway. And if the Cavs win, I guess that makes it a quality win for them, right?
So wait
Nate Robinson has played one game and you are already calling him a failure as teh backup point guard?
Blah
The win was nice. KG and Ray playing well was was nice. Even the offensive output, sans 4th quarter was nice. But man, how do we let a rag tag team like the Knicks score 106 points? This wasn’t a major setback, but you would hope that they would eventually start giving a consistent effort night in and night out, not just for the big games. They are all big games at this point in the season.
On another note: all you Bill Walker fans need some serious help. 7 points off the bench, and a couple of decent dunks does not mean you have arrived. If 7 points is a huge breakout, than good lord, some of you guys standards sure are low. Billy will never amount to much more than a 10-12 man in any rotation. He’s got athleticism, but so did Gerald Green. I forgot where is he now? Oh, that’s right, out of the league. Epic Fail!
by KG's Knee on Feb 24, 2010 12:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Al jefferson -only started to see playing time due to injury and trades same goes for Perk so Doc had no option there #2 ryan gomes had a hard time and never saw the floor before the last couple months of 2006 season #3 Sebastian telgair same for him he’s on the cavs now he was playing fine before injury #4 lester hudson put up a couple nice games down in memphis time will tell for him # orion green and gerald green not in the league #6 walker and giddens we’ll see ,doc’s battin about.300 which is great in baseball but if he was shooting 30% that wouldn’t be so good so depending on your vantage point he’s either great or ehh for me he’s ehh
by reggie_35 on Feb 24, 2010 12:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This game could have been worse
As it was, it was merely boring and annoying. If Paul Pierce had played, with another of his 8 missed shots and 3-4 TOs… Cs would have actually lost.
I dunno - one reason it was even close at the end was because
the C’s missed a bunch of shots and committed several TOs on several consecutive possessions.
So they are capable of playing sloppy even without Paul …
But I"m just pickin’ on ya. I agree that the way Paul was playing this last week, it would have been counter productive to have him out there. A healthy Paul, playing like he was last Fall ? That would have probably ended the game early.
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