Faceplant
by Jeff Clark on Feb 25, 2010 10:50 PM EST
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PrintEverything started out so well. Rondo was single handedly dominating the Cavs and we built a 13 point lead. But the Cavs chipped away at the lead in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and then in the 4th it all fell apart for the Celtics.
Rondo went the distance and I wonder if he ran out of steam. More likely the Cavs adjusted to what he was doing by trapping him more and getting the ball out of his hands as much as possible. None of the Celtics could pick up the slack for him. Perhaps that could be partly due to the fact that they weren't involved early on?
Rondo looked particularly bad on the end of quarter plays where we got nothing out of the plays. Those were times when we could have used Pierce.
Hats off to LeBron and the Cavs that took our best punch and kept on swinging back till they knocked us on our butts.
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Same old same old
Another atrocious fourth quarter. Cleveland outscores Bostonn 59 – 32 in the 2nd half.
Boston shooting percentages:
Q1 – 70%
Q2 – 50%
Q3 – 30%
Q4 – 15%
Scary!
Are we still the best defensive team? last two games, opponents scored an average of 104 point against us (correct me if I’m wromg).
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 10:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Perspective is needed...
Pierce was in street clothes.
Nevertheless, this is Cleveland`s year.
Nobody is going to beat them in a 7-game series.
LeBron is on a mission.
that really shouldn't be a suprise
our fourth quarters have been sad lately, but our defense has made up for it. But when you’re up against a locomotive like Lebron, it’s hard to defend.
by KY Celts fan on Feb 26, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
im livid right now
if NBA games were half as long, the celtics would be undefeated
by eshak20534 on Feb 25, 2010 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
me 2
trying to let this go as i was so happy in the first half
having a hard time tho
i stopped watching in the 4th when the cavs went up because i cant take watching the oh-so-common celtic collapse
by CELTICZ4LIFE on Feb 25, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Blow it up
Sorry guys, championship teams don’t shoot 9-for-41 for a half and lose 35-14 in the fourth quarter of games.
Yeah
It happens. 1969 Celts had a horrible regular season record (relatively speaking). They won it all.
- JoeB
Were the 69 Celtics way under .500 against potential contenders?
by frizzle1991 on Feb 25, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Celts had 5th best record in NBA in 1969
They were 9-17 against the top 4 teams in regular season.
{1-6 vs. NY…1-5 vs. Balt….2-4 vs. LA….5-2 vs. Phil.}
In playoffs…they beat Phil {4-1}…beat NY {4-2}…beat LA {4-3}
They caught some breaks :
Russell & S. Jones were healthy in the playoffs…Havlicek was a superstar in his prime…Baltimore was the best team that year, but NY upset them in playoffs…Jerry West pulled groin muscle in Game 6…Chamberlain left Game 7 with 5:45 remaining…Sam hit buzzer-beater in Game 4…Nelson`s shot in Game 7 bounced six feet in the air before falling through the net.
So they did it in 1969
And they are going to do it again this year?
Russell
69 Celtics at a guy named Russell…we have a broken down Garnett
by Celtsfansince55 on Feb 26, 2010 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
while this year we’ve lost 3 in a row at least thrice already
by cheekmeister on Feb 26, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
THREE IN A ROW?
That’s what should disqualify the Cavs? Remind me again, what’s our record since Christmas?
we use that excuse anytime any of the big 3 are down…cant keep finding excuses
by Nick Sannicandro on Feb 25, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
"It's one game"
I’ve heard that after about 20 different games this season. How many times should we say it? What the hell has to happen for some people to see that, unfortunate as it is, this team is no longer elite?
Really missed Pierce tonight
Daniels was dead in the 2nd half. Kudos to him for gutting it out. Rondo looked spent as well. Never established KG inside.
- JoeB
the cavs adjusted well..it doesn’t help that outscoring the c’s in the half is already given nowadays..
Yeah, but then ..
its Docs’ fault that the Celtics could not adjust to the Cavs adjustment.
Rondo just tried to do too much. The rest of the team wasn’t on the same page on offense.
by getthat18now on Feb 26, 2010 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
A bunch of BS
We were told to wait until after the All Star Break, well we waited and we got…….more of the same. I think we may have had a better team last year without KG b/c this year I just dont see us going far into the playoffs at all.
Reality...
You should try it sometime.
Celtics are 3-14 vs the top 8 teams in the league
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
still don't get the trade
we traded Eddie House so Nate could run the PG and Rondo plays shooting guard?
what?
I don’t really understand why Doc didn’t sub Rondo. I know not having Pierce hurts us in the playmaking department but playing Rondo the whole game didn’t help.
No good reason why Rondo didn't get subbed for until the 4th qtr
when the game was out of reach.
I’m normally in Doc’s corner, but this was a glaring mistake he made tonight. Rondo just couldn’t play at that level without some occasional rest
Rondooooooo
docs gonna ride you till ya break rondo
he obviously looked gassed. if you can’t keep your star players rested danny and doc….than maybe you should have broken up the big 3
malcontents....the lot of you
I don't give up yet
SInce the C’s have yet to have their “A” lineup in place. That said, they just don’t seem to have any energy or drive. There may be reasons for the fade tonight but there was no offense and even less defense in the second half. Mo Williams had five or six seconds to shoot some of those treys with no Celtic within ten feet.
I’ve never seen a team miss so many layups! I guess they were never going to win but they had the lead and TA might have had an “and 1” but when the call went the other way the air went out of the balloon.
I just don’t understand the lack of effort, notwithstanding injuries and illness.
Can we cut rasheed? He plays half ass all the time! I’m sick of it….
by Blackberry33 on Feb 25, 2010 10:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
no he's really playing hard
like Randy Moss
by reggie35 on Feb 25, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hope he also expects to walk away in the new season
like Randy Moss.
by getthat18now on Feb 25, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sheed actually played a great 1st half...
but unfortunately struggled in the 2nd half like the rest of the team.
Sheed did not guard anyone tonight the entire game
Sideshow Bob lit him up in the first half and whoever he was guarding in the second half scored at will. And, in the second half he pulled his, “I am just going to stand outside the arc and see if I can score” routine.
The Jekll and Hyde Celtics return....
as they played a great 1st half and lousy 2nd half both offensively and defensively.
Its frustrating how the C’s can not put together a complete 48 minute game.
On offense at least I think alot of our problems have to do with the tempo of the game.
As we have seen recently (since the allstar break) the C’s have been at their best when they (especially Rondo) push the ball up the court and get easy baskets in transition.
They seem to get bogged down in mud on offense when the game becomes a half court game and the offense production suffers.
Hopefully especially with Robinson on board they can in the future push the ball up the court more often and remedy thier offensive woes by getting more and easier fast break points.
Not sure they ever left
Lakers game sticks out as a game where we just couldn’t score in the second half. Fortunately Lakers also couldn’t.
well...
we got plenty of good looks, but just couldn’t buy a shot in the 2nd half, esp the 4th quarter. though, yeah, i don’t get why ray and nate didn’t get a lot more touches? rondo took WAY too many shots, most of which were out of his range.
Doc, danny, its time for changes. And its not rays fault!
by Blackberry33 on Feb 25, 2010 11:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't think I ever heard anyone say it was Ray's fault
all the trade talk surrounding him was because of his massive expiring, not because of his play. Its a mute point now but just keeping it in perspective
Rondooooooo
massive expiring
and god awful between his and house’s bricks……funny what a trade possibility inspires in your game. now that he’s back in stride all the other deficiencies come to the fore…
malcontents....the lot of you
lol here we go
now ppl saying “blow it up” lol i think we kinda knew without pierce it wasnt happening but when we thought we had a chance n da celts ran outta steam all of us get dissapointed ,well thankfully we have 8 below 500 teams in da scedule maybe we can go at least 6-2 we finally get the schedule going in our direction, like the cavs & lakers has had ALL SEASON
Yes -- they can continue to beat up on the bad teams
and lose to all the good teams. Truly the sign of a championship team
expected
- yet there are MANY positives to take from tonight’s game -
.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Such as?
If the NBA were to limit the games to only two quarters instead of four we’d become instant favorites to win the championship this year..
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sheed didn't get a T.... Landry made his debut ... Paul didn't get hurt in the game
by getthat18now on Feb 25, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sheed hit 1/3 from the three which is better than his usual 28% shooting. Keep is up Sheed, at this pace your shooting may go up to 30% from the three!
by frizzle1991 on Feb 25, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Rondo went the distance and I wonder if he ran out of steam. More likely the Cavs adjusted to what he was doing by trapping him more and getting the ball out of his hands as much as possible. None of the Celtics could pick up the slack for him. Perhaps that could be partly due to the fact that they weren’t involved early on?
Rondo clearly ran out of steam, he came out with so much energy and it just dwindled… Wish Doc would’ve rested him a bit.
I disagree that he didn’t get them involved enough, I believe he had 6 assists after the 1st qtr – so he was looking for his offense but still keeping guys in the game. Doc blew it by not letting him catch his breath (and I’m typically a Doc defender, but by the end of the 3rd qtr, I was SCREAMING at the screen for Doc to sub him for a min or two.)
Rondooooooo
He ran out of steam at his age?
That would suggest serious lack of conditioning if Rondo ran out of steam.
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
If running out of steam wasn't an issue for ALL players at every age, then you would see A LOT more guys play 48 mins
LeBron
Melo
Durant
Wade
Bosh
These guys would play a full 48 mins on a regular basis if rest wasn’t need, so don’t give me the “but he’s young” stuff… if that’s really the case, then it makes the Nate trade look ridiculous.
Rondooooooo
It's not about age
The kind of physical game that Rondo plays requires so much energy. He drives inside. When he gets hit, he gets knocked to the ground. Not to mention he always has to run over picks.
All fair points...
when taken at face value. But Rondo is not a stranger to playing these kinds of minutes. Why is it a problem now when it wasn’t a problem before?
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
You basically just answered your own question.
He’s been doing this too much all season long, its bound to compile and catch up with him at some point.
Rondooooooo
Let me see if I get this
How do you explain the fact that the team starts choking in the 3rd quarters, as was the case here? Are you suggesting Rondo’s production suffers if he’s played more than two quarters?
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying Rondo's production suffers when he plays almost a full 4 qtrs with no rest
Not really sure why you can’t wrap your mind around that concept.
Did his fatigue affect the rest of the team? Well, its been stated time and time again, as Rondo goes this teams goes. When he was able to be aggressive, we were in the lead. He got tired and stopped being agressive, the offense became more stagnant.
Rondooooooo
I would love to know what goes through Rajon's mind during games
but we can only guess. What I think he thinks about in the second half:
-Don’t get injured.
-Need to save energy for the inevitable fourth quarter close game.
-Teammates are missing easy layups.
-Baby keeps getting stuffed.
-No one runs with me in transition.
-No one moves off the ball.
-Baby and Rasheed don’t talk on defense so I never know where they are.
-I need to get rebounds because Rasheed’s always out of position.
-Need to stay away from Maquis because he has the flu.
-Is KG’s knee ok?
-Need to teach Nate how to play point so I’m going to defer to him.
-I should poke out Mo’s eye for faking that eye injury.
by Pengaloo on Feb 26, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
How about - I'm such a "cool rebel"
just look at my nba logo upside down headband – up yours, Stern!
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Relax. It was just one regular season game in February....
Sounds familiar?
Rondo was brilliant in first half. But I think he tried too hard to do too much near the end.
This loss hurt....
as much as losing by the Lakers by 1 point; but at the same time I am not going to jump to the conclusion that the team is done and needs to get blown up. There were a bunch of positive things in the 1st half, and I sort of believe that the rotation/sub and coaching sort of the messed the game up for us.
In the first half Rondo was full of energy….dominated 1st quarter. Soon everyone was getting involved on the offensive end and plus Sheed did stay away from the 3 pt line; but in the 2nd half we didn’t do any of it. Rondo should have been on the bench during the 3rd…so he could have started late 3rd and 4th with the same energy that he had in the 1st and Nate should have had gotten more of a chance to develop his game with the C’s.
Very bad loss…but its 1-1 with the Cavs…..2 more games with them…..Go C’s.
Uh - 3-14 vs the top 8 teams...
What WILL it take for you to figure out the team is done?
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Some of you guys are a little pessimistic? Your team is 24 minutes removed from an excellent half against a contending team. So you obviously have the talent to compete with the best. You’re still my bet for getting the 2nd seed and being the other team in the ECF. These “blow it up” demands are a little over the top? We recently lost 3 in a row and it didn’t result in us cutting everyone. Relax pessimists, your team is one of the top 4 teams in the east, it’s still a contender.
I agree that the "blow it up" demands are out of control
We’re not a lottery team, but some “fans” act like we are.
I do look forward to facing you guys in the playoffs though.
Rondooooooo
What you are missing is this
The Celtics have have lost 11 games since Christmas in which they had double digit leads. That is why this team is not a championship contender, not just the second half collapse tonight. This has happened against almost every good team they have played this year.
But you guys have also had the bad luck of having so many changes to your rotations with all those injuries. We lost 2 straight when we got Shaq, then we lost 3 straight after the Jamison trade, if we had as many guys going in and out as you we might be in the same boat. When Pierce comes back and you get to play a number of games in a row with your best rotation i’m sure the consistency will be there.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Lol, i’m not under the influence, but i like to be, if the celtics play the cavs in the ECF you owe me a drink.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Oh please...
Boston isn’t making it out of the first round. Enjoy this year, my friend.
Whoa, Hoss
Keep that early lead in perspective. C’s were shooting lights out. But the were running on fumes. Cavs were coasting, When the Lebrons saw what it was going to take, they shifted a gear. The Annointed One stopped shucking and started driving, Sideshow carved some space, abd Po-Mo got some easy looks in the corner They put the pedal to the metal. The C’s put it in the ditch.
"ITS JUST ONE GAME" "IF WE GET HEALTHY THEN..." "THIS TEAM WILL TURN IT ON COME PLAYOFF TIME"
Celtics fans should have a top ten list of excuses why this ‘championship contender’ continues to struggle…
Im watching Doc Rivers at the podium right now answering questions...
He’s laughing and smiling…
One of the ways to cover up mistakes is
laughing and smiling.
by getthat18now on Feb 25, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
we’ll it looks like the cavs have more cojones than us lol… if i was lebron i would have laid perk on his ass for shoving me .. we were lucky mo williams went off instead of him …perk thinks he’s so tuff out dere but when a big play comes up or he’s at da line he chokes … where is this team gonna b after pp34 kg n ray only player we have is rondo.. we gotta start keeping our draft picks
Perk shoved Lebron?
That wasn’t a shove, they barely even touched each other. There was nothing in it. Then Varejao the drama queen tried to show his undying love for the King by defending him from big bad Perk. What a joke. Couldn’t believe the commentators tried to pin something on Perk there. Often he deserves it, but not that time.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 26, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Commentators too busy with "witty" banter to notice the game
Perk didn’t do anything. The refs actually made the right call on a technical situation for a change.
that varejao
when he’s not flopping or crying for fouls…..he’s an enforcer—
malcontents....the lot of you
For those of you old enough to remember
They used to call the Red Sox the Manilla Folders for their second-half season collapses. The Celtics have now officially laid claim to that name. 11 double digit leads turned into losses since Christmas. Pierce or no Pierce, this team is simply not championship caliber.
Ouch
That’s a little rough. This team has had two excellent years, one ending with a championship. Comparing them to the Red Sox of yore seems unfair.
It does recall the ’91 Celtics though. I believe they started out 20-5 and hit the skids around Christmas…something like that.
Yup
Yeah, Utah is the only one. Unless you want to count Portland as one of the top teams…
no excuses. the game was ours to win and we lost. cleveland made the adjustments on d to stop rondo and doc did not make the adjustments on offense that we needed in the 2nd half. my big beef with doc was that he sat robinson for the whole 3rd period when we were bogging down and the cavs were chipping away. i would also prefer robinson with the ball at the end of the quarter-he can create off the dribble and can shoot free throws. rondo was exhausted. he needed a rest 1/2 way thru the 3rd. perk who i have been pickin on lately was better, but perk – hit those freebies.
I’d like to see Doc stagger the rotations a little more. I don’t think the first unit/second unit thing is working out this year.
Agree on Perk he is picking it up lately. Looks like the break was good for him.
If the C's
Don’t start playing championship defense, like they did 2 years ago, forget it, you may as well blow it up. Its not the lack, or age of the talent, its the lack of hustle. Its the unwillingness to get dirty and fight out a victory. I’m a Cavs fan, so you all probably hate me, but I honestly think what its gonna take for the Celtics to get back to championship form is to look in the mirror and decide they want to win, and not to settle for the millions they make. Loyal fans like us deserve better.
I do however like the Red Sox and The Bruins. Have no idea how that happened. Good luck to the C’s making a push and breaking through this.
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
hard to believe they’re #1 in defensive rating although maybe not after this game
by cheekmeister on Feb 25, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
That game against the Lakers last week
Was the perfect example of who the Celtics need to be.
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
by David Harnden on Feb 25, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
one example that
sometimes stats are misleading .
by getthat18now on Feb 25, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Doc needs to light a fire
If everyone played like Perkins, the Celtics would be undefeated : )
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
by David Harnden on Feb 25, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah.. it’s just because this was only their 2nd(?) blowout loss
by cheekmeister on Feb 25, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
I think it is the age (and the injuries which don’t seem to be going away at this point). I don’t think this team lost all their heart from two years ago, don’t buy it. They just got old, it happens. And really, the offense to me is a bigger problem. Sure the dunks and the open shots look bad, but when you can’t score the other team gets out and easier shots are available. The Cel
Well
If its age and injuries, the blow it up I guess. Nothing you can do about old guys getting banged up
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
by David Harnden on Feb 25, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's it mate
Celtics aren’t able to bring the hard nosed D for 48 mins. It all depends on KG, who is playing better now, but can’t bring it for more than about 25 mins a night. Sadly, it speaks to the character of this team that no-one else has taken responsibility for pushing the team when KG goes out.
I’m looking squarely at Sheed as the number one culprit. He still has some ability, but he just doesn’t buckle down consistently and lead the other guys when KG is out. The Celtics need to see that from him and to get back that mentality the bench guys had last season when they kept fighting with KG out.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 26, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think
Losing some key pieces have hurt too. I think Powe brought a lot to the table and I’m kinda bummed to see him in Cleveland now because he’s not going to get the minutes or cred he deserves. Moving House was not the greatest idea either, he was a fiery player, a fan favorite, and a guy who brought tons of intensity.
The only intensity Sheed has ever brought in his career is making death threats on officials. He has never been a leader because he can’t lead by example. He’s not that guy on, or off the court. The Celtics slipping falls on a few shoulders in my opinion.
1. Doc Rivers- No desire, no drive, no motivation, no offensive strategy = Mike Dunleavy Sr. We all saw what happened there
2. Garnett – That guy who used to be the most intimidating starving Ethiopian kid in the game is now so frightened of tweaking that knee again that he doesn’t get the most out of himself anymore.
3. Pierce- He is the “captain” and he should be acting like one. Pull your head out of your ass. Stop making excuses and complaining. Doc and KG aren’t leading this team. Well what good is being the “captain” if you can’t do some motivating to your peers. Pull your balls out of your purse Paul.
4. Rondo is incredible. I will trade you Sebastian Telfair for him straight up. And I will contribute $10 to feed KG’s family.
Deal or no deal?
Whoever said it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, probably lost.
by David Harnden on Feb 26, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Random incompetence, and lots of it
…from the refs. Sure, you can pile on about how “it’s not the refs’ fault they lost” yada yada yada. I don’t know that it is or is not. I know the refs SUCKED… random fouls (offensive variety, mostly on the Cs), and travels (one non-existent one on KG in Q1, another correct but still ridiculous one on Lebron, and more), and whatever else come into their tiny minds from time to time. Completely disgusting.
This game also displayed, once again, Doc’s incompetence in the face of real adversity. He’s a “players’ coach” alright… and that’s about it.
Refs had nothing to do with the outcome of tonight's game
They let the teams play and the Celtics, once again, folded in the second half.
I don’t think he’s saying they influenced the result just that the general standard of refereeing was poor, which i agree with. Lots of bad calls went both ways. Didnt change the result, but just because the refs are equally crappy to both teams doesnt make it ok.
by CavsLebronFan on Feb 25, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
The players wearing the green and white uniforms in the first half were the same that played in the second half.
Doc Rivers did not motivate his team in that fourth quarter. He didnt call enough time outs. His offensive plays broke down. DOC IS A TERRIBLE COACH PERIOD
The travel on KG looked like a bad call. Didn’t get a good look at Lebron’s but also thought it was a bad call (happy he gave his approval to the ref, thanks ‘Bron). Davis’ charge was crap, he was late. The one call that ticked me off (probably because we got our butts handed to us by then) was when Powe and Hickson or whoever got a rebound and both held onto it for a couple seconds…uh, that’s still a travel isn’t it? The ref just looks at them.
Anyway, too bad we can’t blame the refs…
On a different note, Joe Johnson this summer?
According to this:
“Then there is the team that drafted him and lost patience with him all in the same year. Rick Pitino’s legacy has left the Celtics with an unathletic roster. He unceremoniously dumped Johnson and Chauncey Billups because he failed to grasp the nuances of developing players.
It is a known fact that every player that has been traded in the NBA loves to stick it to his former team. Over the years, things of that nature subside and it becomes another day and game on the NBA landscape. Joe Johnson, however, seems to play with a super-infused chip on his shoulder when he encounters the Celtics.
Boston has the most glaring need at the two-guard position and the question stands: Would he voluntarily return to the green? Last year, I wrote about this very thing. The Celtics seem like the best place for him next season, despite Atlanta’s recent successes."
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions
1.) We have no money to sign him.
2.) We have no assets that would appeal to Atlanta to include in a sign and trade (outside of Rondo).
Rondooooooo
Dr. KillJoy :)
Alright guys, thanks for killing my dream. LOL. Can’t somebody figure out how we could afford him?
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Feb 25, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
Technically we could sign and trade Ray…I don’t know what number Joe is looking at but maybe Sheed and Ray could match it with a pick or two. Joe would really have to force that however. And if Atlanta will have cap space, they probably let him walk and sign someone who wants to be there. All in all, sounds like a pipe dream.
lol, a sign and trade of Ray + Sheed for Joe Johnson
would be a robbery.
that’d be up there with the Pau Gasol for a bag of chips trade.
Rondooooooo
Don't forget Vince for a bag of BBQ chips
Of course it would be robbery. The question is do the Hawks have any leverage (ie cap space). Like I said a pipe dream, but technically…
I cannot imagine one scenario in which the Hawks would make this trade
It’s not going to happen. He either stays a Hawks or goes to someone that can afford him.
my question is...
Does Joe really not want to stay in Atlanta? Do they not want to pay him? I mean, I don’t get it. Seems like they have a pretty good situation down there. Cap isn’t too muddled except for maybe Williams and Bibby’s contracts being a little heavy.
Highly doubt the Clips though. If ATL is out, I think NJ, NY or Bulls depending on who loses out on the first line of FAs. Miami is a possibility too if Wade splits; don’t see those two pairing up however.
I will imagine all the people:
The Hawks have little cap space if he walks. Likely ~$8M if Evans doesn’t pick up his option (that’s assuming ~$53M cap). Which means if Joe walks they can’t sign anyone nearly as good. Joe really wants to play in Boston. He (or more likely his agent) says I’m walking no matter what, but I’d like to go Boston. Atlanta says, hmmm, can we get a better 2 guard than Ray Allen. Maybe. But the new collective bargaining agreement will go into effect the following year, so Ray on a 3 yr deal but only the first yr guaranteed for $10M—yes maybe above market value, but that’s the exchange for just the one year; Ray says yes to play on a good team and make some extra dough going into the lockout (yuck)—but so they say Ray for $10M for 1yr will be a good way to roll forward without taking on bad contracts under the new CBA. Plus they probably get a couple picks. If we’re lucky we send Sheed with him to round out the salaries and dust off the MLE for a new back up big.
That’s the best I could imagine. I don’t think it’s going to happen either, but technically…. :)
Because Marc Gasol's near double double plus Zach is
clearly just a bag of chips…
Ridiculous comment
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
enough with the excuses
once again we stink at home.very depressing. this team doesn’t have what it takes to win a title
And we stink on national TV again ...
Are the Celtics camera shy or what?
by getthat18now on Feb 25, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I feel badly, but
This is the second game this year I have left early. When it got to 14 I was out of there. This team was atrocious in the second half.
Negativity is louder than praise... But,
My eyes were hurting after watching Big Baby with the ball! What the heck is he doing on the offensive side. I’m sure when I read these comments you’ll will share my thoughts.
I’d like to see Nate more involved, I think time will play to his favor. I liked Quis’ looks on offense… I think he might have been limited tonight from that flu. T/A looked like positive energy on the offense. KG didn’t seem to get many minutes, but he had some nice stints.
I saw some nice D against Jamison on a few plays, but I fear he mostly brought an awful game.. Like the Celtics team!
What the heck! Where’s the finish to this team? Who’s our goto guy in the 4th without Pierce?
Celtics on Twitter
Rondo: “They shrunk the floor and made a great adjustmet at halftime. We couldn’t get shots in the paint.”
- 42 minutes ago
*
KG: “We have to be a 48-minute team. We just can’t play one half of basketball.”
- about an hour ago
Hmm…well they realize they have to play a full 48 mins…….but when are they going to start doing it?
nothing
the team doesnt’ have the fight in em…I’d feel better if they controlled the paint and rebounded.
malcontents....the lot of you
The Long Slow Decline Has Begun
Deal with it.
Brick -- you hit the nail square on the head
I have not seen many comments about Garnett tonight. While he had a decent first half, he was completely invisible in the second. While he had a double double with 10 and 10, he really did not play well tonight for much of the game. And, I think this is what we are going to get the rest of the year — good some games, bad others.
Only as good as..
…your franchise player. Who is? KG? still, key, but …. Not Ray. Not Rondo—til he can stick it from outside. Or Paul? -the battered old flag himself. This year, not greater than the sum of the parts…
It might be a pretty fast decline. Garnett and Allen are no better than bench players at best. One thing that makes me smile. Big fat charlie barkley will NEVER have a ring!!! :B)
BENCH players?
Have you watched Ray, especially since the All Star break? Even KG, diminished as he is, is still a very good player. They aren’t at their peaks anymore, but they are still starter quality. Especially Ray.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 26, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
Sitting there at the game tonight
You could tell as the tirrd quarter progressed that this was going to be a loss. Easy basket after easy basket for the Cavs and stagnant offense at the other end. I told the guy I was with that Cleveland was going to win by 10 at least. Then the 4th starts, without Lebron, and the Cavs go layup, dunk, layup, all uncontesetd, and complete a 11-4 run without the king. The game was over at that point. The worst part of the game was having to listen to the frigging Cavs fan sitting behind me.
So which is it , is ray or KG the most valuable member of this team or is it and always has been the captain the man that can actually go head to head with the lebron,the melo’the durant,the johnson.the carter,the turkgolu’s the gays,etc’s and average the most points for this team able to stop or contain the SfF from the opposing team able to put together that 30 plus game to equalize that opposing figure,rays not that man he’s sperratic at best,considering the dominate position in the nba today is the SF position he’s non existent anyway,PP is the captain and contrary to nba ad’s that make the league money that have KG as the face of this franchise PP is and always atleast for the past ten years has been MR. CELTIC raround here remember how many years we went to the playoffs when we weren’t supposed to remember beating teams in series we weren’t supposed to , remember the two biggest come backs in playoff and final history due in large part to that man,46 points in just the second half of not only a game a playoff gamme but a conference playoff game.what has Kg done with even more talent ,peeler young,cassel young,zerbiak young,spreewell young, or good ole ray ray robinson young , cassel even younger no beed for any other names Paul has done amasing things that have gone unrecognised and had been without a doubt one of the most effective stars in the history of the league and still gets overshadowed by players who have done far less individually and for their respective team .Kg nor Ray can say the same both actually having far superior talent surriund them and bever accomplished anything more.Sad part is KG will probably retire more popular as a celtic than PP, and even more sad is the fact that we fans true fans have another 2 to ten years before we even sniff the finals and I got a month worth of checks on that….please for you bloggers learn the game learn the history and atleast have shot horse before you talk basketball on this site or have the actual gaul to place KG or Ray before Paul ,because in pauls prime he made both look like fools when we went head to head and Paul had nothing to back him up and even with them who was it that went 4o oplus head to head with that LBJ
by reggie_35 on Feb 26, 2010 12:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I love Pierce
He is the Celtics best go to scorer when healthy. Also plays very good man to man defence. But it is KG that is the most important player to this team. When healthy, it is KG who roams on defence, disrupting opponents, KG who defends the rim, KG who stops certain baskets and gets in guys heads and KG who exhorts everyone to greater feats. You could win by plugging another decent SF scorer into this team instead of Pierce (eg Stephen Jackson), but you could not win without a dominant big man like KG.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 26, 2010 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
Our Season Is Over
First off, reggie_35, nobody wants to read a novel. Jeez.
Anyways, season is over guys. I know Truth is out but we are a shadow of our championship squad. NO WAY we come out of the East this year. Sad but true.
This Year Isn't the Problem
It’s the next ten years that worry me. Good time for Wyc and his Dad to sell the franchise.
This team is getting outrageously predictable. I’m STILL not going to give up on them yet, but at some point before the playoffs start, they have to A) beat a contender, B) actually hang onto a lead, and C) put together a full 48 minutes.
I’m sick of the injuries excuses. I’m sick of them not making their opponents play their game. And I’m sick of Doc waiting too long to take timeouts and make adjustments.
The Celtics have to show us/themselves/the rest of the league that they have some grit and some heart. Honestly, I think the last time I actually saw this team display a will to win was Christmas.
Like I said, I’m not giving up on this team just yet. But if they think that they can just turn it on when they need to in the playoffs because they’re vets with rings, they’re in for a beat-down in the playoffs.
Does anyone else feel like Bill Murray in groundhog day right now? Seriously, this is getting ridiculous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7NHCy13ZLk
P2 is the man.
Thank you to my kids ...
… for getting tired. We left at the end of the third quarter.
So When Are Rondo and the Oaf going to Make a Few Free Throws?
The need a shooting coach with a bullwhip. Every miss, you get the whip right across the back. I bet their percentages would go up smartly.
Are you suggesting that we beat them like slaves when they miss FT's??
Nevertheless, missed FT’s didn’t help the cause but its not the reason we lost this game.
Rondooooooo
Didn't they combine to shoot 50 percent tonight from the line?
I got beaten up earlier this year for focusing on Rondo’s free throw shooting. It improved for awhile, but he has regressed again. And Perk seems to get worse every game.
If it's a true decline/death
- which isn’t established yet, and won’t be till the playoffs – but if it is, it’s not “long” and “slow”. It’s pretty precipitous. Which makes me think it’s not real. They couldn’t have fallen so far in such a short slice of time.
They’re still dominating half of games… it’s just sometimes the wrong half. Whether they’re still capable of doing it for 48 minutes is uncertain… but I do NOT see any clear reason for saying they are not capable of it.
Not yet.
didn't watched it already, should I?
Got a spoiler for the result… I’m in Europe and I just ask myself should I watch it later? The capper told me it was a good game! I guess he belongs to the Cavs-Fans…
I asked god and he said: L.A. will lose again next year!! ^_°
MIA - Master Po and mmmmmm
So you gave me grief for stating the obvious fact – that the window is closed.
Only DRJ1 showed from the offended camp, props for not blaming the refs btw, even if you can’t see the reason is they don’t have the energy to sustain the effort
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 11:36 AM EST reply actions
I take it back, DRJ1
Didn’t see the ref bs until after I posted this.
Ridiculous, BTW – the Celtics used the exact same moving screen tactics in the title season, just didn’t get called for it much…
by nba is the worst on Feb 27, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
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