Rock Bottom

There has to be problems within the locker room or something. No one wants to play with each other.

this is a sorry team, far from elite

sorry folks… you got one but you won’t get another with this squad..might as well not even go to the playoffs your going to get bounced..sad to say

Many of us wanted him to start reconstructing this team before the trade deadline. He did not and now this is what we are stuck with. The final nail is pretty securely in the coffin. The C’s are now the official laughingstock of the NBA.

NOBODY CAN ARGUE THIS!!!

These guys are gonna be backstabbing faster than it takes for Doc to get outcoached!

for our standing in marc stein’s power rankings!!!!!!!!

Terrible chemistry with this team, missed much of the game but when i tuned in all i saw was a bunch of sulking and sighing and feeling bad for themselves..

What happened to KGs intensity? always knew he was a front runner

that was probably a bad move by Ainge…he opened the door for finger pointing and i wouldnt be surprised if this leads to a battered locker room

were the nets really that much more aggressive and we were that much more passive? i mean, that’s the difference between a loss and a near-blowout win.

Three guys gave an effort, although not on both ends of the court — Rondo, Marquis and Garnett. Although Rondo did not seem to have any interest in playing in the first quarter and I really thought he intentionally got that second foul so he could come off the courft. Danny is gathering the TNT now to begin blowing it up and the end of this season.

We now lose Ray this summer with no compensation….

Our focus going forward… should be post – big 3 era.

Wake up! Where is your commitment? Are you the leader or not?

this has to be a wake up call. right??

I wish the fans at the game would have really laid into them. Heard some booing but this deserved a bitter response from the fans.

We out rebounded them and shot a better % than them but they shot 4 times as many free throws. That was the game right there. Say what you want but you can’t beat a freethrow enblance like that,

But I put this one on Doc. To be fare I didn’t see the game, but based on the box score our starters were effective and they all played around 32 minutes. Rondo and Perk should be near 40 and KG came in WAY too late in the 4th.

Too many 3s and not enough concentration on going inside it looks.

…wasn’t there a CelticsBlog meetup in DC to watch this game? I hope those guys didn’t vomit their beer or something. Or trash the whole bar. : X

Seriously, the Celtics should be embarrassed that this was even a game. I mean, did they really let a trashy offensive team like the Nets score 100 point on them? The WORST offensive team, at that?

To put it simply, I’d like to be a “put inanimate object with conscious here” in the Celtics’ locker room.

I had to say it again and I had to yell. I simply refuse to believe this game happened today.

on this page just bec we lost in the worst way possible….if we lost to the Nets then there is a chance we can go 0-8 in the next 2 weeks of seeing opponents with sub 500 record.

They didn’t disappoint . Expected a loss and they came through.

2 points and 2 rebounds? Are you serious?

To me it looks like the last place he wants to be right now is on the basketball court.

somebody got in Rondo’ “grill” and he’s pouting..he is flat out quitting,plays playground ball and matador defense….and Doc cannot regain the team until he dumps Sheed…you cannot demand effort and defense from your guys and continue to play Sheed…he sits

he’s tanking

LOL.

I’m thinkin’ the opinions would be a little different today?

This team is just mentally demoralized. End of story. You can see it in their faces, and in their slumped shoulders. If you can’t have pride enough to beat one of the worst all-time teams, you don’t deserve to wear the uniform.

Don’t blame this loss on Sheed, injuries, or any other excuse. This is an indictment on the entire organization. If Doc can’t motivate the players, he needs to go. If the players can’t give the effort necessary, they need to be benched. No one escaped blame on this one, and its obvious if heads don’t roll, things will never change. If Doc can’t do this, Danny needs to come down out of the stands and take responsibility for his mess.

tanking is different than stinks…agree Scal,TA

Let me start of by saying that I’m a huge optimist when it comes to the Celtics. i convinced myself that our losses were a fluke, and that come playoff time, we’d be the 2008 Celtics, hungry for another banner. The off season was damn near perfect. Rasheed was going to win 6th man of the year, KG looked ready to go, and nobody could convince me that this team wasn’t the best in the NBA. After a terrific beginning, my thoughts were confirmed. There was no team that could stop us. We were going to terrorize the league and bring back yet another trophy from LA. When we started losing games, i thought “Oh, don’t worry! This is a minor setback!” I was a fierce opponent to trading Ray Allen, because I had faith that we could pull it together somehow. We could just remember the glory days and be inspired just by looking at the rafters, particularly the one that read “2008 World Champions”.
And now I stand in awe as I watch the team I love lose to the worst team in the history of the NBA. I try to find some way that we could pull together, but it would take a small miracle to get a banner.
That being said, I still think that we are the best team in the NBA. The 1st half against the Cavs reminded me of that. I also do not think it is time to trade a single starter. But we need to play as good as I know we are. We cannot fall apart during the 2nd half of every single game. I don’t believe for a second that this problem is caused by age. This is caused by a complete lack of effort and motivation. This team needs a field trip to the grave of the greatest Celtic in history: Mr. Red Auerbach. Winning was his area of expertise, and inspiring players was easy as pie for him. The team needs to bleed green, get the gold, and remember Red. Until that happens, this team is done. As Will
Smith said in the movie “Hitch”: “You can’t know where you’re going unless you know where you’ve been.”

Don’t be mad, the better team won. Leave it at that.

Iwonder if the Nets had had a lead that big in any other game this year?

we got 6 weeks to get it right

my tickets for Tuesdays game should be worth it

Is sheldon MIA? beginning of the year he played extremely well off the bench and why isnt he playing now?

tough loss
go c’s

Perkins was seen eating a few burritos from Chipotle last night:

http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2009/10/billy-mays-sells-chipotlaway-from-the-grave.html

2 points and 2 rebounds later, we lose to the nets.

You get angry for about 5 minutes after losing to one of the worst teams in the NBA and then you go home to your beautiful home and all your great stuff and the world is right again. That is your Boston Celtics today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmxyj6iInMc&playnext=1&playnext_from=QL

I asked for consistency earlier today.

And you got it. We’re now officially consistently poor.

Hey – even Ted Williams struck out now and again. No biggie.

“Individuals win games, teams win championships.” The C’s really took that to heart today.

As much I want to believe in this Team, they are leaving us – FANS – with a lot to be desired. We can speculate as much as we want about the reason why the fell to a team that has only worth 5 WINS all season long, the point is that they don’t seem to believe in each other… the camaraderie seems to be gone, and Doc doesn’t seem capable of reviving the “fire” that once made this Team a serious contender…

I think that Ainge has a lot of thinking to do over the next few months… We will not make it past the 1st round (and I do believe in miracles) if we do not resurrect some type of urgency.

Now how do I get a refund for the $150 I spent on League Pass :)

Cheers!

Surprisingly im more disappointed with the loss to Cleavland because to me it showed that we have no chance to win a championship. Sheed is perhaps the worst bench player ever. If the celts do any moves over the summer I hope they get rid of him.

I give up this was truly Rock Bottom against the worst team in 15 years in the NBA.

Let’s start off by asking KG to stay home and rest that knee. We need him to be better than he is now for the Play-offs.

Let’s move Wallace into the starting 5 and then ask Perkins to watch the game. I’m telling you folks Perkins is so over-rated. Since he was named to be part of the 28 hopefuls he has stunk up the court. I think he is one mini-level above Acie Earl for you folks who can remember this terrible player.

After that we need to have Rajon to stop playing gambling defense and get in front of his man. I’d love to know what the opposing PG average scoring against him. I would venture to say it is 20-25 PPG.

Lastly the game is won with defense and rebounding. When you are #30 in a 30 team league you are kidding yourself. Why the hell did Red trade for the greatest rebounder in the NBA? Because they stunk as a rebounding team and guess what they stink again!

But the biggest culprit is father time.

Spring training games start next week!

Tommy told Maria not to cry, that there’s no crying in basketball. Really, Tommy? Because I feel like crying right now!

i have seen every single game this season beside this and from now on i want watch celtics no more until playoffs if we get there,yeah i know we will but fuck this team and motherfuck all of u faggots

anything?

Where was all this “CELTIC PRIDE” when the team was 24-58?

Maybe we should get back to that problem in the locker room that Rondo was talking about before their losing skid!

KG, Daniels and BBD were the only ones who wanted to compete during the whole game today. Doc made a huge mistake in the first quarter (when the result was 12-2) by making substitutions and afterwards the Celtics lost their rhythm completely. Moreover, it is very weird for me that Nate Robinson is our first option on offense, taking so many shots. Correct me if I am wrong but he was supposed to distribute the ball, right? I agree that 17 assists from Rondo means nothing because he was so indifferent throughout three quarters. This team needs a huge shake. I can’t stand a lack of effort.

I watched all the celtics game. I thought we had so much energy in the beginning of the season. But after christmas. oh gosh. They just kept giving up double didgit leads. Then came after all-star break I thought we getting momentum back & they played better defense but then Pierce went down. This lost to the nets drived me insane. I am so embarrased to be a celtics fan right now. I claim im not going to watch any celtics game anymore. But i have so much love for them im not going to give up on them. Celtics are mentally healthy & have heart to win the championship but physically? idk. but Kevin had a good game. Thgat’s a nice sign.

I have been clamoring for moving Perkins before the trade deadline.

Let’s be honest he is limited offensively and has slow feet. This is the reason he is out posiitoned by younger centers most of the time.

I’ll give you he plays tough against Howard. But how about 2 pts.and 2 rbds and Lopez 25 pts and 9 rbds.

As i said check out his performances since be named to the magic 28 hopefuls. We now have another head case to go along with Wallace.

Sorry for all this negativity but it is what it is. Brickkowski said “they are getting old” andthe Celt’s younger players are not on a par with other team’s younger players.

I said sometime in December that none of the players in the present roster would be playing for us when we win the next flag. I said Perk is vastly overrated both as a reboubder and even worse as a defender. Blount had stone hands, Perk has stone hands and feet. The Big 3 were running out of time in 2008 and they did everything they had to do to win one. Their effort has diminished since, be it due to injuries and to Mother Time, but it aint there and it aint coming back.
We have no trading pieces to get back to the top. We put all our assets on the line to win one flag in 3 years; we won it in one.
Doc never played the young players so we only developed 1 player: Rondo. He is our best player. Thats it; in 3 years, one draftee has made it.
Rondo is too young to be the leader; emotionally. You think he can tell Sheed and Perk and Allen what to do?
I agree with whoever said Rondo didnt want to be playing in 1st Q. I noticed that at the time he got his 2nd foul. He looked like he wanted out as soon as possible. Why? I have no idea, but it looked that way.
Nets have won 6 games. They got a lot of shooters so it doesnt surprise me they won; they are better than their record. Our loss is due to a breakdown of some sort in the lockerroom; breakdown odf chemistry; injuries, lack of coaching (never did like Doc) or just complacency of having won in 2008 and the rest of teams got a lot better than us after that. We have to start anew or the late 80’s will be upon us quicker than we think, Shalom

I rarely post here but did so shortly after the Cs acquired Wallace when I wrote that Ainge had made a bad move. Needless to say, I was roundly booed — but not banned (thanks).
  Now Celt fans know what Blazermaniacs learned long ago; RW shows more promise than production. He might be the league’s most overrated underachiever.

Anyway, good luck ahead. Boston remains the NBA’s gold standard that all others aspire to.

mark it down. this is the day the era of the big 3 ended. Oh sure the season isn’t officially over but in all other respects it ended today. too many egos in this locker room and not enough team. sheed has been a cancer.

the day it turned around….

Thanks to these guys…we lead the league in “man-boobs”!

Before i really lose hope in celtics i have to see the next 7 games. we facing not too hard teams (pistons, 76ers,&bucks) to name a few, if we could atleast win 6 out of these next 7 games then we might not have hit rockbottom. Then we face cavs after these 7 games. If we can win against cavs we just might have a chance. C’mon celtics fan we can’t lose faith!!

stick a fork in it folks pretty soon we’ll b back in da lottery.. dis season is over… in da nets will b better den us in 2yrs b/cuz dey gonna a pick jwall or eturner and get at least 2 free agents.. it’s not looking good 4 us celtics fans only player with a future is rondo

Next team needs guards and forwards that can create their own shots. Through the yaers we havent had many of those. PP was the last great slasher that we had; but he has slowed down. Rondo needs a jumper in order to be more offensive. he is working with that jumper, but he is2 seans away still. TA was our slasher along with PP till he broke down. Daniels is somewhat of a slasher. Ray has lost most of his legs and he runs all over the place so much that he gets tired easier. Proof that we have not many players that can create their own shots? How many treis do we shoot? Since we cannot get to the basket, we just stand around till a space is somehow created and we launch from far away. How many fould shots de we have? Not many cause our guys dont drive enough times to be fouled. We need “youts” (Vinnie Callo) that will drive and drive, like devin did to us today. Like Lebron does all the time and Kobe and Nash. We have become a stagnant offense caise PP can hardly do it any more. He still tries but he cant do it all. When we got R. Davies I said at last we are gettinga slasher with a jumper. A rare sighting at the time. Like Tommy says: take it to the hoop- Take it to the hoop! Thats what we need to look for for our next championship team. I would keep Nate – he fits that mold.

Sheed – Had a terrible game. Lazy again. And shot only 4-13 overall, 1-5 3s, 2 TOs.

Ray – terrible game, again. He had improved dramatically, until today. 3-11 overall, 1-6 3s, 2 TOs.

Perk – horrible performance. I hear he’s sick. Sure played like it. 1-3 overall, plus 3 TOs.

Scal – Oh c’mon, he’s not REALLY on this team, is he? Anyway, he sucked… invisible, as usual. didn’t score a single point, but did have 2 TOs.

KG had a great game. So did Quis. Rajon was ok, but had 4 TOs.

Bottom line: Too many TOs. Not enough energy. 4 guys having terrible games. Add it all up and you have to lose, to anybody.

Can they still “turn it on” for the playoffs? Don’t know. Never did know, though I did BELIEVE they could and would. Can’t say I believe that any more. Best I can muster is: I just don’t know.

Including Rondo. He doesn’t take care of the ball and doesn’t make his free throws. BBD has regressed this year, and so has Perkins— big time. Nate Robinson is flashy but so far has been largely ineffective.

The only two guys I would consider keeping are Daniels and Tony Allen, but I doubt if they will resign either of those players.

So make it a clean sweep. That includes KG and Pierce, because it will be impossible to rebuild with those two clogging the salary cap.

We don’t know, and can’t know. We can surmise, we can guess based on evidence.

Arguments for:
- He’s the biggest change on the team, which has changed dramatically.
- He has proven himself to be very lazy at times, turning it on other times. This is EXACTLY the syndrome that now affects the entire team. It’s reasonable to suspect that his influence is at work.
- He’s done it before. In Detroit, just last year.

Arguments against:
- There are no direct arguments against. Best we can say is “We don’t know.” It’s true, we don’t know. We can only guess.

My guess is that Sheed IS at fault, if not entirely, then in large part. I believe he could very well be infecting the entire team (especially Perk and Rondo, the young guys… the impressionable guys.) KG’s influence apparently no longer carries this ballclub… Sheed’s does.

But again, I don’t KNOW that. Just surmising, based on the little evidence we have.

so they are truly the ones to blame

i thought he was gonna b good but he don’t give a damn… he look like he’s never been to da gym before … where is our trainers we have one of the slowest and fattest teams in the league get dese guys on a treadmill or somethin

Basically it his responsibilty to get the team ready to play games, and to execute the offensive and defensive game plans. This team has not been doing that for quite a while except in spurts. It is apparent to me (and I am willing to bet Ainge sees it, too) that the coach has lost his team. The players are not listening to Rivers or to Thibodeau.

What will be the excuses for today’s performance?

a) It was an afternoon game. They don’t like them.
b) Pierce was out of the lineup.
c) They took the Nets too lightly.
d) The refs stuck it to them.

The fact of the matter is that the Celtics will be lucky to get home court advantage in the first round and win their division. Toronto, Milwaukee, Chicago and the Bobcats are playing better as the season goes along. You have to ask yourself, how long can Ainge allow this to continue. Rivers needs to go. Now!

Fire Doc! Danny has to go! It’s all Sheed’s fault! BBD is too short! Perkins sucks! Rondo doesn’t care! Tony Allen is an idiot!

When you read through these threads you just have to laugh. Why don’t people just accept the fact that they deceived themselves and ignored the warning signs that have been there since the beginning of the season?

The good players on this team are getting old and slowing down. The young players are mediocre. They haven’t had a draft pick higher then 15 since Al Jefferson, except for the picks they traded away.

Of course if they manage to win a couple of games in a row some idiot will start a thread “They Can Still Win a Championship!”

Accept the fact that this is a team in steep decline and that banner #18 is at least 10 years away, and move on. Watch if you want or find other pursuits. But don’t impose your fantasies on the rest of us.

The mental effort that this team has put out this year has been an absolute disgrace. And it is largely on the starting five. A prime example is really not the pitiful effort that they put out against the Nets today. Think back to the second quarter of the Knicks game on Tuesday when the subs had built up a nine or ten point lead. The starters came in and in barely over a minute on outright bad or questonable plays by three differenent players lost the lead.
Today against the Nets what does Rondo do early in the first period? He makes an incredibly careless pass that is intercepted. He follows this up with a pointless and stupid clear path foul. This is followed very quickly by a more legitimate, logical in the play of the game foul. Result Rondo goes to the bench and the game starts to turn almost immedialtely. Sure Rondo had a lot of assists think how many more he would have had if he played the first quarter. Two other bonehead plays that I recall were charging fouls by Ray Allen and Marquise Daniels. Sure you can question those calls by the officials, but from where I sat I can’t say either was the wrong call and in both cases the players single handedly managed to blow up a fast break opportunity.
The number and timing of unforced turnovers that this team makes is incredible. I, only half in jest, suggested to a friend that Doc should call a time out every time the team got a ten point lead to remind the team the game isn’t over.
Sometimes basketball players can tnink too much, but that doesn’t mean they they should not think at all.
By the way Doc the system isn’t working. The number of practices that this team does not have (none tomorrow for example) has only help make a bad siutuation worse. I know this is a veteran team that should be playing much better — but it isn’t. Doc should have been calling time outs and/or pulling players for bone head plays long ago. I don’t think there was any one culprit so the punishment could seem arbitrary but doing nothing clearly does not work.

Is it just me, or does Perk seem to be getting worse as the season goes on. For a guy as big and strong as he is, he is afraid to shoot, cant hit anything from beyond 10 feet, and is a lousy rebounder. The way they played against Portland, I thought that was the turning point, but now they are back to a losers mentality. Its hard to believe that this is the same team that started out at 23 and 5. It was only 4 months ago. I try to remain an optimist, but like so many others on here its getting harder by the day.