A Few Quick Rumors
by Jeff Clark on Feb 3, 2010 8:35 AM EST
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PrintKen Berger of CBS has the following rumors to report:
- Rumblings about Ray Allen being on his way out of Boston are accurate, but only if the Celtics can get back a player who’d crack the top eight in their rotation. One scenario that has been discussed would have Allen going to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich and another piece – John Salmons? – to satisfy the salary requirements. If it came to fruition, what an intriguing swap it would be for teams that waged such a thrilling postseason battle only eight months ago. Since Allen’s $19.7 million contract expires after the season, acquiring him would leave Chicago flush with cap space for a 2010 free-agent binge centered around Chicago native Dwyane Wade and an additional superstar.
- One of Allen’s teammates also is generating some interest: Kendrick Perkins, who’d be a perfect fit for a team like the Pistons, who are desperate for a post presence. But Perkins only makes $4.3 million, and it’s difficult to imagine the Celtics parting with him given the way Kevin Garnett is gimping around.
Pretty sure most of us have heard the Ray to Chicago rumor by now. But I can't even begin to think of a scenario where we would trade Kendrick Perkins. It is unfathomable to me.
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and for the record
I’m not a fan of the Hinrich/Salmons deal – doesn’t seem worth it
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
agreed
only trade ray for a better player (i.e. giving another team salary relief). do no trade ray to give another team salary relief from flawed back-ups and damaged goods.
the good news is ainge is never making that deal.
No way on the Hinrich/Slmons deal. For whatever reason, I feel trading Ray for anything less than a deal we’re blown away by isn’t worth it. This team generates a lot of their energy through chemistry and it’d be uncomfortable to see someone else fill Ray’s on and off court roles. Maybe it’s just the loyal in me, not wanting to see the ‘Big 3’ project end so soon, but I’d rather get a better deal then the Bulls one.
Well, I spoke too soon I guess.
I wrote this before I read Rondo’s team chemistry/locker room complaints. I don’t know, maybe this team doesn’t get along as well as perceived/hoped.
YEEEEEEES!!!... xD but... (Once again)
The trade is:
Ray, Scal and House for Hinrich, Salmons AND Tyrus Thomas….
Perkins?
I would ask one question…..do you think that Kendrick has reached his potential and we have what he will be?
If so, he is a tradable option with value…..Pistons are loaded with backcourt people: Stuckey; Gordon; Bynam; Hamilton; and Atkins.
I’d move Perkins and Scalabrini Total Salary $7.7M and ask for Stuckey and Villanueva Total Salary $8.3M.
I think that Stuckey is the next great scoring machine to replace RA and Villanueva is a lost puppy who needs a KG for direction. Rasheed would then be the main Center force since he seems to be sleeping right now.
Stuckey's a slasher not a shooter
Shoots 40% from the field and under 25% from 3-point range (and he never shoots them). He’s a PG, not a SG too and he duplicates RR’s strengths. CV I heard is a head case.
Ridiculous
These Ray Allen rumors are out of control. There is no way they will trade him unless they get an offer they can’t refuse/ Hinrich/Salmons is not that offer.
They are not moving anyone on this team as long as they have a chance to win another Championship. They have been playing pretty bad recently but once everyone gets healthy and Daniels comes back, this will be an entirely different team. Daniels will act as that “midseason acquisition” everyone thinks we need but we won’t actually have to get rid of anyone.
Hinrich/Salmons are decent players but I don’t think they would fit with this team as currently constructed. Perkins in any trade rumor is a joke. He and Rondo are the future once the Big 3 is done. They are going nowhere.
Hinrich & Salmons....Don`t do it, Danny!
Hinrich & Salmons are NOT enough of a “game-changer” for the Celts.
We need more “impact” than those two can offer in a trade for Ray.
As for your comment {"Once everyone gets healthy"}….This clearly should NOT be viewed as a “given”, even though lots of Celtic seem to believe it.
Expiring ???
You say "Since Allen’s $19.7 million contract expires after the season, acquiring him would leave Chicago flush with cap space for a 2010 free-agent binge ". If we hold on to Allen to the end don’t we get this same cap relief? If not, why not? It seems to me Ray is worth maybe $5 mil per year to us as an off the bench guy. If we re-sign him aren’t we $14 mil to the better re the cap?
same savings, different starting point
Chicago can get far enough under the cap to make a run at Wade
the Celtics have a higher payroll and would not have the cap space to do that even if we renounce Ray
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Good post DjRyB
The lifeblood of blogs is trade rumor so no surprise that “Ray is gone” hangs around. I agree with you. The Celts have a plan and Ray is part of it and so is drive for 2010 championship. If we come up short, so be it, but there was a plan. Better than no plan, or the change-plan-every-week plan. They aren’t going towhen that time comes. You are ight. If PJ Brown could do it two years ago, M Daniels can be that factor this year. There are some good things, like Tony Allen’s play.
All hinges on KG’s health.
I'm hesitant to trade Ray
Hinrich is a good player, and so is Salmons. … but we’d be helping the Bulls too much long term.
Hinrich is not enough of a difference maker. How much better / different is he than Mr. 1.9M per year, Marquis Daniels. I’d rather keep Ray, let him expire and use Marquis as our Hinrich .. .and take the salary cap relief for ourselves.
A Hinrich deal will not have enough impact to be worth it. Hinrich & Ty Thomas is more interesting … but I’m still not sure. Thomas has upside but questionable worth ethic, right?
Mostly agree.
… I would not deal with Chicago unless Noah was involved and he won’t be. Trading Ray to the Bulls for Hinrich and Salmons would be a gift to every Bulls fan for the next 6 years. What free agent wouldn’t want to play with a young Rose, Noah, Deng and veterans like Ray Allen and Brad Miller. Chris Bosh, Wade or Joe Johnson would be a perfect fit.
Perkins @ potential?
I don’t know if we can say perkins has maxed out as a player. Simply comparing this year versus last year and he appears to be a much improved offensive player. So I don’t think he has maxed as a player.
I think his D is down a touch this year – but the entire team is horrible. Tough being a help D big when you need to provide help in front, behind, to the left, to the right… That being said his “man” d is as tough as ever.
Ainge...
I wonder if he painted himself into a corner some years ago with his comments on the Original Three. Maybe he is finding the need to back those up by trading allen now and not finding it nearly as easy / enticing as he expected. To make matters worse – he has had a team that was amazing during the preseason and the first couple weeks of the season, whcih has been decimated by injuries (visible and non visible) lost all chemistry it originally had and has forced their vets to get more burn than they can handle?
That being said – make no changes and walk into the playoffs. Would anybody be suprised to see either Ray or House get hot and carry them for games at a time? I wouldn’t -
Carry for games
They definitely could (and I’m not a fan of that current deal). However, does anyone think that we could beat Cleveland, Atlanta, Orlando or the Lakers in a 7 game series right now? We’d have to get real lucky! So some type of trade makes sense, just not this one (unless Allen comes back rested after 30 days).
by funkstarrdeluxe on Feb 3, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
NO WAY!
You don’t trade a big of Perk’s caliber. You know what other team he is perfect for? The Celtics! Just say no to trading Perk!
Perk is a BEAST!!
Agreed
It’s almost impossible to get a decent big, and as sspence rightly says below, Perk is arguably one of the best per-dollar-paid players in the league. $4 million per for a starting NBA center: are you kidding me? (Blogger channels inner Dickie V.)
Who cares if he is approaching his ceiling? He is an almost-untouchable building block, IMHO. However, if the rumors of Tiago Splitter coming over next season are true, and if he became available … (Old habits die hard.)
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Fl Celts Fan
I’d agree with you except I see him reverting back to his old ways of early {Dumb} fouls and showing disgust at every foul on him.
The referees don’t like players who beef on every foul so his time on the court is severly hampered if his continues to get silly fouls.
Oh yea he is tied {11 Technicals} with Howard and we have the great Wallace leading the pack with 14.
Just an observation!!
The Cs aren't trading Perk
Just because the Pistons would like him. Name a player of Perk’s size and ability who is paid as little as he is, then name a team who Danny would be less likely to trade with in the entire NBA after that absurd / inaccurate float about Rondo last summer which left the Cs front office steaming.
Laughable.
I am too loyal
ride the horse we are on for the moment ….can’t wait until the deadline passes…so tired of trade talk.
Is it Soup Yet?
You're like one of those drunken cowboys in the movies,
where they lay the guy over his saddle, and give the horse a whack on the rump to carry the guy back to the ranch!
This particular horse isn’t Secretariat, alas.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
yeah.....by reading many of the posts in here
I somehow wandered onto the wrong ranch…..slap my horse and send me back
Is it Soup Yet?
Hinrich, Thomas, and Johnson
That trade for Ray Allen I’d do. I think Thomas a lot and Hinrich is a solid player that could play both PG and SG against most teams in the league. Johnson is just salary filler.
Ainge must take his time
and survey the field and see what is the best he can get with Rays massive 19 million expiring contract.
The big question for him is does he trade Ray for a couple of decent players to fill multiple team weak spots or does he go after a single super star caliber player?
How about Ray and Perk for...........
Bosh and Jack (or someone else from Raps)….works in Trade Checker…..would both sides do it?
It seems obvious to me that the perfect trade is
Ray Allen for Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince (believe it or not, it works salary-wise).
Think about it: the Pistons are terrible, Hamilton plays the same position as big acquisition Ben Gordon, and Prince plays the same position (and looks identical to) their two rookies. Rip and Tay can reunite with Sheed, and the Celtics keep their rep as retirement home for players wanting a title. Pistons clear HUGE salary off the books, get much younger, and can actually sign somebody good this year.
That's a good one
That’s a favor to the Detroit not to us. That’s why I prefer to add a pick or T. Allen if they buy out R. Allen. Anyway TA is not gonna play with these 3 guy’s here!!!
"...are accurate .... but only if ...."
Typical sports “journalism”.
Berger basically said absolutely nothing in that opener because he gave it the nice big fat qualifier. That freed him up to propose two trades that make no sense basketball wise.
Nothing to see here. Everybody move along.
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