Doc Gives Insight Into Celtics' Struggles

Rivers always says the right things but rarely have we seen those words actually transform into actions…I wish he would just shut up and let the actions speak…

He didn’t over explain any points, and he didn’t blame any one person for the overall failures of the team. I especially liked two things he said

“They have no one under the age of 32 who can shoot the ball, and they have no one who is willing to consistently operate out of the low post.”

“That is the very definition of a dysfunctional team. So trading Allen and his expiring contract would screw things up? Is that possible at this point?”

I’m hoping Danny makes a move for an Ellis, Martin, Iggy, etc. No thanks on Hinrich.

Several years ago – when Doc and the celtics were winning one game a month, the problem was all those young guys. Then, Doc’s phrase of the day was that you only win with veterans in this league.

Now, when most of the team is made up of veterans, the problem is that this a veteran team relying on past accomplishments.

The real issue here is that Doc has created the environment where players use injuries as an excuse since practice time is limited. He has not insisted on defense. He does not give younger players a chance. He plays players that dont defend and do not rebound.

Three players that are long and over 7 feet and the celtics are 28/29 of all teams in the league in rebounding. This is coaching that accepts failure.

Because with all these pronouncements by Doc plus that buck, I might be able to buy a cup of coffee.

Thank you.

I’ll believe this team gets that there’s a problem when I see them actually try to address it on the court. until then it’s nothing but lip service.

As for the theory that trading Ray will screw up the chemistry—→what chemistry? The same team chemistry that thinks it’s ok to put forth less than a full effort on the court? The same team chemistry that thinks it’s ok to coast in a game so that leads and games are lost? The same team chemistry that can’t focus for a game against a major challenger for the title?

that you actually do not need HCA to win the title. The Celtics can win everywhere with or without HCA. We can worry about lack of effort and focus, no question about that. But I think we have so many proffesional players within the team that eventually they will be able to overcome the problems he have currently. As I said before, we must improve devensive rebounding and I would not mind having somebody to provide it.

an asset of doc’s is that he can talk to the press and feed them stories. what i hear very little from doc is what is doc screwing up and what can doc and his coaches do to make the team better. everyone is vulnerable and culpable when a team is losing and has to own his share.

Two straight games without Kobe and most of two games without Bynum and the Lakers have beaten both Portland and San Antonio by double digits. The Spurs, who some here have claimed will be a contender in the west, are actually more dead than the Celtics and will definitely be a first or second round out in the playoffs.

wallace is abysmal. He was supposed to be the key but instead he looks old, slow, fat and unwilling to play in the post. He shoots without hesitation whenever he gets the ball whether he’s open or not , whether it’s a good shot or not and whether he has his feet set or not. He could have been this team’s Bill Walton but instead he’s hte new pervis ellison /mikki Moore.

Isn’t it a big coincidence that Wallace’s Pistons team was also known for thinking they could “turn it on” when necessary, but failing to do so? He needs to go.

Sure we’re 9-12 since xmas but in our 12 losses we have a 10+ point lead in 9 games. That means a few little things go differently and we could be 18-3. I know that’s ridiculous but the point is that its not as dire as everyone is making it seem. Its better to play poorly in jan and feb and pick it up in april than to play well all year and crash in april…

He blames losing a few years back on having a young team….

Now he blames losing on having a veteran team….

Hey Glenn: You’re the common denominator.

this team is good ive seen it…we dominated the magic the cavs the lakers and the hawks just not for entire games..trading ray allen is the last thing we need

The Celtics’ recent struggle is the result of mental letdowns more than age or injuries. Sure they are no young chicks, but there are still a few years of good backetball left in the tanks in most of them. Many mid-30 players can still play at the highest level. Nash just turned 36 and he can still shoot the lights out. Grant Hill, at 35, can still fill the lane in fast breaks and play decent D.

I still have faith in the C. Hopefully they will clean up their acts before it is too late.

Is the problem. Any coach with experience would of made adjustments to the line up or try something new. He is afraid of hurting their feelings. Bench Sheed for those excessive 3’s. Give minutes to other players. Try something new for crying out loud.

By the way, why not use Ray as a 6th man? Earn your pay, Doc.

…different agendas.

never have agreed with the man
Ray as 6th man, rather start Tony (didnt see that one comin)
trade ray ok if he gets bought out for Kev martin, pay a a bunch of cash and a draft pick, dont take on Nocionis contract tho, has to be a way to get the numbers right, 3rd team if they want a big?
trade scal and sheldon for Tyrus Thomas
best 5 man big rotation in the league even if with KG and sheed only at half steam
Martin is at 1st glance the best talent we have seen in these trade rumors, and competent enough to start and gel with our other starters right off the bat
if Ray gets bought out, bring him back for the rest of the season for vets min off the bench with a possible resign in offseason
I am still quite tentative to do this scenario UNLESS it is understood that he gets bought out and we send most of his salary with him, can anyone say tampering?

I still believe in this team and think it is in their heads, a question of motivation GET WITH IT GUYS!! i dont mind resting a bit thru the reg season but it is now time to stop resting and show us what this team can do. I dont mind being the underdog it is great motivation, but do this and we are the favorites or at least the biggest threat

Doc find a way to motivate or do the deal
wow did I just say that!

The Celtics’ problem is that, except for Rondo, TA and Daniels, they are old and slow. The other contenders have younger and much more athletic players: LeBron James, Dwight Howard, Josh Smith, Andrew Bynum… the list goes on.

Ainge traded away all of his high draft picks along with his best young prospects (except Rondo) in order to get Allen and Garnett. The Celtics have no lottery talent under the age of 30.

BUT not the reason I watch regular season games, everyone is so focused on championships, and where the team will be in five years.

Unfortunately the Celtics aren’t playing any. The fallacy is that they were playing well when they were 23 and 5. They weren’t. I saw the games. They were beating up on bad teams and (with two exceptions) losing to the good ones.

Rivers is engaged in pure spin control. I would guess they have a somewhat better chance of winning a championsip this year than I have of winning the lottery, but I would put their odds at around 2-3 percent. Teams like the Bulls and Heat have about the same chance.