Rumor: Glen Davis To The Bobcats?
by Jeff Clark on Feb 9, 2010 4:09 PM EST
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Via TrueHoop (Chris Broussard):
The Boston Celtics and Charlotte Bobcats are discussing a trade centered around Glen "Big Baby'' Davis and D.J. Augustin, according to league sources.
The sources cautioned that nothing is imminent, but said the clubs are having discussions.The Bobcats have been searching for a power forward, and the 6-9 Davis could be their man. The Celtics, meanwhile, have been longing for a backup point guard, and Augustin, who's fallen out of favor with Charlotte coach Larry Brown, would be more than adequate.
A straight-up trade would not work because Davis is a base-year compensation player, so other players would have to be involved to meet the financial requirements. That could be a sticking point in the deal.
While teams don't typically trade big for small, Boston is a bit aggravated with Davis, who's had a few off-the-court problems this season. Most notably, he missed the first 27 games of the season after breaking his thumb in an early morning scuffle with a friend.
We'll post more details as they become available.
Bobcats blogger David Arnott has this to say about Agustin:
I've made my feelings about Augustin pretty clear over the months, and I still believe he can be a solid, young, cost-controlled, point guard for years to come.
However, I'm also pretty sure Larry Brown would rather have Kevin Ollie than D.J. Augustin, and running with Flip or another veteran pickup as the main backup PG might be worth the upgrade in the front court, in his mind. (Acie Law is not anyone's answer.)
Note: David duplicated our poll on Rufus on Fire and Bobcats fans are 46% in favor of the (incomplete) trade rumor as of 8PM EST.
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Good Deal
Davis is expendible, and they really do need a backup pg.
i disagree
big babys getting back to himself.
-hes hitting jumpers
-grabbing offensive and defensive rebounds
-hes scoring in the paint
-is getting back into shape
davis is an energy guy, and he usually comes with it everday unlike other players on the celtics(see rasheed wallace). he helped us alot and looked good (besides getting stuffed like 5 times) against orlando.
who else will be in big babys role? sheldon? i dont think so!
my thoughts exactly
saved me a few key strokes
someone has to REBOUND the ball for God’s sake
Sheldon is too stiff, and Sheed is not terribly interested
by Frank Malzone on Feb 9, 2010 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
With KG struggling and Sheed not playing well, we can’t afford to give up Davis for a guy Larry Brown has given up on. Yeah Augustin can shoot, but he’s not a true point and how many minutes are there behind Rondo anyway?
Now Marquis is back, we have our back up PG. Eddie can play off the ball as he was early in the season.
Davis is starting to play well. I can’t say I’m happy that its taken until February for him to round into form, but we need him right now. Frankly, he should be getting more minutes than Sheed.
I love Marquis
But I’d rather they use him to really relieve Paul and Ray (if Ray is still a Celtic after the deadline, that is). Honestly, I think our bench would be solidified with a PG – and if Sheed decides to wake up and play some bball…
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Marquis can do that
He should only need to play 8-10 mins at PG and can still be rotated in combination with Tony Allen and House to rest either Ray or Pierce, depending on matchups.
Point forward people
He is spelling pierce and handling the ball
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 10, 2010 3:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting list in re: "Big Babys getting back to himself,"
given that the Big Baby of the past neither scored inside with regularity or did all that much grabbing of rebounds. In 2008-09, only 40 percent of his shots came “inside” as determined by 82games, and his career rebound rate is 12.3 percent, less than stellar for a big man.
That said, he’s performed at career best levels on the glass at both ends this season, and he is taking more shots inside…though he is also having quite a few of them blocked (among players who have played even so many as 10 games this season, he leads the league in percentage of attempts blocked at 22.3).
-sw
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Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions
Not a Problem!
Put Sheldon in the game – he’s a Beast on the boards!
We finally get a backup point guard!
sheldon can rebound. but cant score. for that sake, he cant even catch the ball on offense. and the bench needs offense. (and defense. where big baby is a much better defender than sheldon.)
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
What?!
He can’t score yet he shoots a better FG% and averages about the exact same per minute as BBD?!
stats aren't everything
Anyone who watches the two on offence should realise that Davis is a far superior offensive player.
exactly Celticsbloke
they look at stats for everything jus like Hollinger! haha
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
Shelden only plays in the post
where his FG% is inflated. BBD does at least have a mid-range jumper.
That said, both have nearly identical True Shooting Percentages for their careers (.517 for Shelden, .516 for Davis).
Shelden is a far superior rebounder and general post player.
That said, defensively, Davis probably has a little more value right now on the Celtics because Davis plays the team’s help defense better. He is MUCH better at getting out to the perimeter and back to cover the open man off the double. He simply has more experience with the Celtic system.
Still, Shelden has enough raw ability and showed me enough last faull that I would be comfortable with him sliding up the bench if BBD had to go.
But if we really believe this (a backup ‘true’ PG) is a need – why did we let Hudson go?
Because
Hudson’s not a “true” PG, either. He’s not even listed as one. Doc clearly agrees. Say what you want, but that’s how it was. I’m also curious as to where the Grizz are having Hudson play. I mean, wasn’t it first said when they picked Hudson up that he’d be a backup SG?
by Tai on Feb 9, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I liked Hudson a lot too
But they must have both seen something in his game they didn’t like, and felt they needed that last roster spot. We’ll probably never know the whole story. And it might just be some stupid decision they made for no good reason (they’re far from perfect, after all). But I got a feeling that kid Lester’s gonna shine someday.
Couldn't have been as simple as
They knew they would need a roster spot and weren’t going to keep him and decided to save themselves $800 grand, after tax, they cut him the day b4 unguaranteed contracts became guaranteed. No it’s not alot to them by why pay it if you don’t have to and know u don’t want the goods
by Warrior Spirit on Feb 10, 2010 3:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This blog has never met an Ainge draft pick it didn’t love – whether the guy can play or not, with Lester a “not.”
Trade Davis now. What are you waiting for, Danny?
Yes please make this deal as quick as possible.
because it would solve none of the C’s problems..
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Interesting trade...
I’m not sure it would improve us, though.
Like WikedCeltsfan said, Baby is finally getting to his level of last season, starting to hit his jumpshot, and his boards (especially offensive) are huge for us.
I don’t like the idea of having Sheed and Scal as the only bigs backups, since Doc wouldn’t play Shelden anyway, I guess. Although Shelden would help tremendously on the boards but he is a big downgrade compared to Baby offensively…
But Augustin is really a good player and if we could keep him after this summer he would be a great backup PG.
With that said, Marquis’ return in the rotation makes that our needs for a PG are not that important now, while we need our bigs. Intriguing deal anyway!
if we traded davis, would there be any vet player available who could play post?
our front court now clearly is not overloaded
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 9, 2010 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Just as he is playing well..
They attempt to trade him? Against Orlando he was the only one attempting to get an offensive board.
Why trade a young pf who could start for you when Garnett retires for a player who will never start for you because you are already set at pg? The other piece better be awesome.
Yeah my thoughts
exactly although I like Augustine to some extent. I guess he’s better than ‘no one’ our current backup PG. This is sort of funny with KGs injury and Wallace hardly trying.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Agree with him Trying
The problem is that he really isn’t a PF but a SC – Small Center. How many times was his shot blocked in the paint or did he rush it to avoid a block? He worked hard but with limited results, although he was one of the few who actually busted his butt in that game. I can’t see BBD ever being a started on a Championship contender. He can be a good role player, if he gets his head on straight, on a contender. He’s just too SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
huh?
You are considering Glen Davis as a replacement for Kevin Garnett: when he retires? Davis is not Charles Barkley . Davis is a backup. Augustine is a backup. We need a backup point guard more than we need a backup power forward. Later, we will need a top talent to take KG’s place. I don’t believe Glen Davis is that top talent.
by thirstyboots18 on Feb 9, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with this, but
I’m still wondering why we cut Hudson loose ….
No!!!
We do not need a backup PG more than a backup PF. Rondo is young and can play big minutes. We only need a guy who can spell him for a few minutes. Guess what? Marquis is back and ready to do the job.
On the other hand, KG is struggling and Sheed is near useless right now. We need Davis in the mix. As well as backing up KG, his bulk is very useful to pinch hit at centre when Perk gets in foul trouble.
IF BBD is our starting PF after KG
We are bound for annual visits to the lottery. The man can’t jump, can’t block shots, can’t rebound, can’t score on the block, shoots a mediocre outside jumper, can’t defend on the perimeter… Lots of cant’s for a starter…
BBD
Really, because last year I’m pretty sure we won some games in the second half of the year with Big Baby as the starter. I’m not saying he’s going to be an all star but he could be a serviceable starter. Where if we bring in Augustin his ceiling is still a back up because we have Rondo.
Not saying BBD will be the starter just that it’s a possibility, where with Augustin it is not.
Yes,
however we had PP and Ray Allen, two future HOF players, that allowed BBD to be left wide open. When it is Perk, Rondo, and BBD you won’t have that luxury. BBD is a solid bench big. Nothing more. Too many negatives to be your starting PF.
Powe was out during that time
as well if I recall. Nothing like letting facts get in the way.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Well to be honest
The best time to trade players is when they are playing well and there stock is high. Only fans want to immediately trade a guy when he starts to suck, which is backwards.
Good trade, but...
I don’t really see Big Baby as a Larry Brown-type of player.
Ever since Charlotte has been making some noise lately, I thought they should go after Elton Brand. He’s definitely available, and though he’s overpriced he’s still a very good player who would fit right in. I think that a lineup of Felton, Jackson, Wallace, Brand and whatever center they don’t trade (I’m guessing they’d have to trade Chandler) could go deep.
Larry Brown falls in and out of love frequently!
Two coaches that will influence their GM’s to deal before the deadline are Larry B. and Don Nelson. Nelson will turn that roster over, but probably won’t make them any better.
voted yes
just because I don’t see what a major upgrade Davis has been on Shelden this year, but I do think it would depend on the players included to make the deal work
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
10000 times yes
this would be a great deal for the celts, shelden was better than baby.
Yes Please
I’m not a trade guru so… would we need to send other players with him? Or would we get some in return?
What's The Point?
Why do we make this trade unless Doc is gonna play this kid? Does he take Eddie House’s minutes? Is he better than Lester Hudson? I dont think so. I think Davis is worth more and I hope we at least get a Bobcats second round pick out of the deal.
"First fix their hearts"-Eizo Shimabuku
What makes you think
That DJ Augustin won’t be played? If he had last year’s stats (11.8 ppg, 3.5 apg, 43% FG + 43% 3-pt FG) this year, you wouldn’t even ask that question. I dunno if Augustin necessarily justifies trading BBD (especially assuming Augustin’s played alongside House), I’ll give you that, but he is MUCH better than Hudson. No question. 5.8 points and 2.3 assists on 37% FG + 36% 3-pt FG is definitely a downgrade from last year for Augustin, but for a backup PG, you can find worse. I remember when someone actually suggested Acie Law earlier in the year. I’m dead serious. He’s practically been benched, and his 3.5 ppg and 0.8 apg don’t help.
Augustin’s a god send compared to that. I mean, keep in mind those 5.8 points and 2.3 assists are on about 18 mpg.
Still, one has to wonder if House is traded off to make this work or will Doc roll with House and Augustine has our backcourt in the 2nd unit.
by Tai on Feb 9, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Glad this trade is rumored...
Rarely do trades that are rumored beforehand actually come to fruition.
Would this mean the end of Eddie as a Celtic? There is no way a small Augustin can play at the same time as Eddie.
wierd
i tried to ask both chad ford and john hollinger if they thought this would be a good traded in their chats today, but neither responded.
I’m all for it
Maybe
If this trade is completed, then I think we’ll see the Celts trade Ray to Chicago for Heinrick, Thomas and Jones or whoever. Thomas being the replacement for BBD.
why whould we take on heinrichs 3 years/9 mil per year if we just traded for dj? if anything this deal would kill the chicago one, unless its for salmons and thomas.
If anything, this trade makes a Sacramento deal more likely
Ray for Martin + Nocioni.
I do think we do a 3-teamer with Chicago and Sac:
Ray to Chicago (helps with their payroll in the offseason)
Martin + Nocioni to Boston (Martin would be the new starting SG, Noc would be a nice bench piece)
Heinrich + Thomas + Jones to Sac (They get a young big in Thomas, A nice backup to Evans in Heinrich and Jones is to make the $$ work)
As anti trade as I am, I like it.
PG: Rondo / Augstin
SG: Martin / House / Quis
SF: PP / Quis / TA
PF: KG / Sheed / Nocioni
C: Perk / Sheed
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
uhh, why does adding Augustin make this deal more likely?
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Not so much adding Augustin, but moving Glen
There would be more motivation to find a “replacement”. I honestly think if DA can get a younger guard to replace Ray and upgrade at the SF/PF spot with Nocioni – both deals get done.
I don’t think the Charlotte deal will happen unless there’s another deal to compliment it.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Really solid trade idea
I think Ainge knows it is going to take a bit more than just a “minor” deal to get this team back on track. We thumped N.O. earlier this season, but again like we have done so often recently, had a collapse. We cannot finish out games right now. We need bench help and we need somone who will come in and contribute to our future. Kevin Martin would be a great building piece for the future. Nocioni would be great for our bench, and and Augustine would compliment Rondo nicely as a back up pg. Make the most of Ray’s contract and get this deal done.
i think the powers at be have become tired of baby davis' antics. sheldon can
do what baby does..they get a LEGIT #2 PG…that allows daniels to play the SG/SF, eddie the SG and ray allen to get more rest….and it allows boston to deal ray allen in a deal that doesn’t have to involve a PG..i think we would see a backcourt of DJ and daniels with tony being able to sub in at the SG and SF
I THINK I agree
with the part of ‘the C’s are tired of BB’s antics", plus his out of shape condition and I suspect his locker room mouth.. I think BB still thinks of himself as a starter and a star. I think he still wants out of Boston and will be happy to go anywhere where he can start and ‘be a star’.
baby is overweight and out of shape and honestly i think he is the one hurting lockerroom chemistry
by celticinorlando on Feb 9, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
yes but that's not important
its a move that’s the important part. lol
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
dont do it!!!
A 6’ 9" pf who is getting back in the groove and could easilybe a17.5ppg guy for a below avg 6’ pg …come on…wake up and smell the coffee . Why would we take such a beating?
This sounds like a good trade, if KG was healthy & Sheed not sucking
Can’t you do House for DJ. Can’t you Do House&Sheldon for DJ……………….. Baby is coming back to form and playing better than Sheed. PASSSSSSSSSS
BYC
Since Davis is on his new contract how is he a BYC player? RealGM didn’t help me much, it just explained how BYC rules affect trades.
What about House?
Augustin and House would be a terror for us on the defensive end.
Rondo doesn't believe in easy buckets...
He's BYC because his salary went up alot this year
The deal should be: BBD, Wallace and Scalabrine for DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw.
The fat and out shape Diaw
no thanks. Phx was a long time ago.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
This makes sense.
Good ideas.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
why include BBD in the trade?
Keep him in Boston, the trade still works salary-wise.
Charlotte saves about 6 million next year and the C’s replace Wallace/Scal with a functional player who can fill both of their roles…
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
terrible idea
they got rid of leon powe.now they are rumored to be letting go of davis? i also don’t want to hear that davis is problematical. rasheed wallace is not? they signed the overweight, out of shape, motormouth for 3 yrs. at over 5 mill. a pop.if there is an albatross on the team we can look at wallace.
i love glen davis’s game. i wish everyone played sports like him.such joy and passion plus he is just very, very good. if traded he will be severly missed and after all the effort to resign him this summer! it makes no sense to me.
He’s fat… a poor rebounder… he has a very limited offensive game… no explosiveness… and he’s crap on defense.
I would love to dump obese. Hate his game. Hate his attitude.
you must be wearing a blindfold.
hes a poor rebounder?
-big baby is a 10x better rebounder than rasheed first off.
-comes down with huge offensive rebounds.
-uses his body to rebound over taller guys
he has a limited offenseive game?
-the smooth jumper
-the hustle points downlow
-the post up game
no explosiveness?
-at least he comes out with energy
crap on defense?
-big baby helped stop magic from scoring down low
if u watched the orlando game. youd know all of this.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you must be blind!
BBD is 10x the rebounder that House is!
Comparing a bad rebounder to an even worse rebounder doesn’t make your point… How about comparing his rebounding numbers to Shelden’s who is a very good rebounder.
BTW BBD is only twice the rebounder than House is. (3.5 vs 1.7 per 17 minutes of play) That should tell you something…
and u are also wearing a blindfold
watch a game man. shows u didnt watch the orlando game. or for thats sake, the end of last season and all of the playoffs.
even though we suffer on rebounding at points, we really need offense and defense from the bench. and i think that davis is better at both compared to sheldon.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
compare Davis to Rasheed
who is more out of shape? who has a worse attitude? who is slower on defense?
The difference is, Sheed has all the natural talent which Davis lacks, and yet Glen works his butt off for his production. He doesn’t dunk, but he’s got great feet and great hands, and a good mid-range jumper. I’ll take him over Wallace or Williams any day
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
please
comparing BBD to Sheed is stupid. Sheed is 10x the player at his prime that BBD will ever be. He is better most of the time than BBD is even now.
If you want to talk about working his butt off, why did BBD come back fat? You can’t run with a broken hand?! You can’t push back that 50th chicken wing? BBD deserves to be put up on the block considering his offseason stupidity, refusal to come back in shape, and poor play since he has returned. He regressed, plain and simple. Sure he had an okay game the other night, but the rest of them he has looked like half the man he was. Too bad he wasn’t half the man he was and maybe he wouldn’t get swatted in the post by guards!
too bad rasheeds prime is long gone and wont help us at all this year. while big babys hustling tommy points (rebounds, saves, shots, defense) sure will.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 9, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
the numbers don't support you
Wallace’ Net48 is +3.
Davis’ is -5.
That’s pretty compelling evidence that, for all his faults, Sheed is way way way more valuable to this team than Davis.
Unfair
Davis is just coming back from injury. Start his stats now, then compare.
And the words “valuable” and “Sheed”… are mutually exclusive.
Davis has played in 21 games
for a total of almost 350 minutes.
He may improve slightly but he’s actually already playing with similar or better discrete stats than last year. I.E. pt per 36, rebounds per 36, etc.
BBD’s pretty close to the ceiling of what we probably can expect from him this year. He’s definitely not going to make up an 8 pt deficit in Net48! That’s like adding on all of Ray Allen’s value on top of his own!
have u been watching the games man? i dont care what the stats say. davis has been playing 5 times better than rasheed wallace, just by hustling.
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
That's nice. The scoreboard doesn't care.
by mmmmm on Feb 10, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately,
SB Nation software only allows me to rec this post once rather than the several times it deserves.
Still, well said, m^5.
-sw
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Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 10, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
How can Baby be the main cause of selfishness on this team?
Please, he has only played in 21 games with sporadic minutes. This trend (complacency) started at the beginning of the year losing at home on Friday nights.
Should we consult Elrod "The Enchilada of Doom on this trade???
Perhaps we should set the rest of the team on fire as well….
Sell the Whole Enchilada…….Enchilada Jihada
Is it Soup Yet?
What about tacos?
I’m partial to chimichangas, myself.
Regarding the trade, get it done.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
I do not like the idea of rading a big man for a guard
We are old, injured and thin up front to begin with and exchanging Davis for a guard is so think this is not a wise trade.
I am not a fan of Baby and would prefer we trade big man for big man, Baby for Tyrus Thomas is what Ainge should try to do.
We are getting not much from Baby at the back up power forward position and need to get a power forward who can produce behind KG (especially if KG gets hurt again).
We can always then sign a back up point guard via buyout signing.
i doubt chicago would even consider the TT/BBD trade...
ainge or whoever in favor of C would do that in a heart beat if chicago said yes
by friedgreentomatoes on Feb 9, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
11th Hour brings consistent effort on the boards
Unlike Rasheed, who is too inconsistent, Baby is a reliable rebounder and a nice scorer, but Chicago would never do that deal: he is as much as a risk as his former teammate [what a coincidence]. The backup PG is a vital issue because we currently have nobody to spark the second unit, so trading Ray for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas’ expiring $8 mil and Sergio Rodriguez to backup Jonny sounds like a better plan than thinning our inconsistent backup frontline [Shelden has vanished since that nice start in November] and it addresses our future with the best fit for the current team [Martin fits better than Iggy or Gay who are both slashers]. Martin is a Ray Allen clone but is having health issues and I have no idea what his mental makeup is.
by I Love Getting Rondo'd on Feb 9, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions
Not sure about this possible trade...
If KG and Sheed were playing better, I’d pull the trigger on this deal, but with the inconsistent play from both of them, it could potentially make us very thin at the position.
On the other hand, I realize the need for a backup point guard. I think I’d rather just sign Lue (who has been with team all season) and keep Davis as well.
Follow me @jimmy_toscano
by Jimmy Toscano on Feb 9, 2010 4:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
About the C’s being thin up front and needing to maintain front court size and depth.
If you want to trade Baby (Like I prefer we do since I think he has regressed as a player) trade him for another power forward.
I agree also about lets give Tyu Lue a shot to remedy our lack of atrue back up point guard.
I want Sean Williams
I desperately want Sean Williams on this team. Could easily come in and be the most athletic player on the team, he WANTS TO PLAY DEFENSE!!! HE KNOWS he is a defensive shot-blocker. Not only that but, I wouldn’t mind having a big who can actually finish above the rim.
Just a couple of comments fanofgreen
He WANTS TO PLAY DEFENSE!!! -
He wants to smoke pot
“Could easily come in and be the most athletic player on the team” -
Could easily come in and get suspended, but that wouldn’t be the first time that happened to him in Boston.
“Not only that but, I wouldn’t mind having a big who can actually finish above the rim”. -
Now that would be something to see, Sean Williams finishing his smoke above the rim.
He's up there
with Randolf, Wright, and Bell for players that get no playing time or hurt that celtic fans love.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Now if he was an offensive shot-blocker,
that would be quite a commodity, albeit one of questionable value on the basketball court.
Sorry, couldn’t resist the wordplay there.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe if he did something disgusting while blocking shots
like spitting or making lewd gestures?
Given the player in question,
guess I wouldn’t rule either of those options out. Or haranguing cell phone retailers and breaking computer monitors.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
or the Sean Williams who was suspended from his team for an addiction to Mary Jane?
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Let's not kid ourselves, Glen Davis isn't a saint.
How many professional players get into fights with “friends” and seriously injure themselves right before the season is about to start, following an offseason where they signed an extension?
Not trying to take away from the fact that Sean Williams could be trouble, but Glen isn’t exactly a shining role model either.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
Glen Davis = immature
but Sean Williams is in a whole different universe, stability-wise.
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
DJ Augustine is excellent...
This smells like a two part trade:
1. DJ for Davis
2. Ray for Martin and Nocioni
Nocioni takes Davis spot, Martin takes the starting gig, DJ backs up Rondo and Daniels backs up Pierce and Martin…makes tons of sense to me…
by BillfromBoston on Feb 9, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking...
this would lead to a Philly trade inolving House’s expiring, but I guess both are plausible…
We don’t agree often, Bill, but I am in complete agreement here. DJ’s skillset is still evolving, and acquiring him for an overrated big with severe limitations is a steal. And the Sac deal is one of the few involving Ray that could improve this team right now and position it to make a run.
nocioni’s numbers are falling. he is getting old (im not sure how old he really is, but u get the point). bringing in that guy wont help us. PLUS hes not a PF. also augustine wont get much playing time, in that rajon rondo almost plays 40 minutes or more every game…
by WikedCeltsFan7 on Feb 10, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I'll hop aboard this train as well, Coach
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Feb 10, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
just goofing around
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykd8v2e
you could make a case for every team saying yes to this.
I believe if this rumor is true...
It is only the first shoe to drop
No way to know
…but you can just smell a deal comin’. No problem if they move Davis, even better if they can snooker somebody into taking Sheed. Ubuntu might just come back.
by DRJ1 on Feb 9, 2010 5:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That beat writer
better suggest a big that will replace Wallace.
I don’t think Diop is the answer, either.
by Tai on Feb 9, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Probably Mohamed...
He has been playing great lately…CHA is getting Chandler back, so Nazr is s bit redundant. And he only has one more year after this left. Diop has 3…
If we gave them Sheed how would they get the salaries to match? They would probably have to include a bum like Diop. Sheed/Baby for DJ/Diop. Bleh
no Sheed + Scal for Diaw + Augustin
If Charlotte loses some talent in the exchange they at least save 6 mil next year and 3 mil the following year
by milt palacio's shot on Feb 9, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
man after all the nonsense to get sheed it will really make a statement to dump him
i wonder if the remaining guys will continue to play in slow mo….
Wow. What a terrible trade!
If Rasheed was playing better I’d say ok, but he’s not! He doesn’t hustle or rebound and Shelden just flat out sucks.
This trade is bogus....
This trade doesn’t make sense.
D.J. = Short
House = Short
Bobcats = same conference and potential 1st round stealers from a contender aka the Celtics.
G-Force = Better than D.J. and more valuable to our team for the future (Rasheed is not going to be our back-up after 2 years).
Bogus = Danny this trade is nonsense and you should be fired!!!
If they will take Baby and Sheed maybe that will pave the way for enough minutes to make Iggy/Dalembert a double win.
Here we go: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg5csrw
Bobcats get Baby and Sheed. Get rid of Augustin and some filler. Philly dumps Dalembert and Iggy for expiring contracts. Boston dumps two useless bigmen to open up playing time for Dalembert, bring in a backup point guard… and for the heck of it I threw in Gerald Henderson’s son to make it fun.
Why would we get a backup PG in trade?
Did I miss something, or didn’t we get Tyronn Lue as our “development coach” so we could sign him later in the season?
by 18isGREATERthan72 on Feb 9, 2010 6:08 PM EST reply actions
maybe...
maybe he is not all that impressive either. Doc and Danny see him in practice all the time (assuming he practices w/ the team). Maybe he’s just not cutting it either. which wouldn’t surprise me at all.
maybe augustine is in Larry Brown’s doghouse because he’s not very good. Just a stab in the dark here.
No around here if players aren't being played by the original team
it’s due to the coaches not the players. See Wright from NO.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Hard to Make a Trade Work
Unless bigger salaries are included or a 3rd team is involved. The one I mention above works, but I can’t make anything work without Sheed also going to the Bobcats.
As for Augustin, he was a McDonald’s AA, first team all Big 12 and a #9 pick. He has talent, but Larry Brown may dislike young players even more than Doc Rivers.
Stoudemire would be nice, but like i heard on the radio today, everyone needs to take a paycut. Nothing is working with all the salaries. Example:
KG- Next three years: 16mil. 18mil. 21mil.
Pierce- Next two (including option): 19mil. 21mil.
Ray- Last year: 19mil.
Sheed- Next three: 5.85mil. 6.30mil. 6.79mil.
And if you noticed they’re all older than the age of 32…
"Victory belongs to the most Preserving" - Napoleon
"The teams that do the best job of putting personal agendas aside are the successful teams. It's not easy. That's why it's hard being a good teammate, but everyone has that choice." - Ray Allen
by AiTheLAviTiCuS#21 on Feb 9, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Who has to take a pay cut?
I am a fan, it’s not my money. Anyways, he makes less than Ray and has an option of 17m for next year. If we have to give up Ray, I want someone of significance in return.
We played the First stretch of the season w/o Baby
We played the first part of the Season, remember back when we were good, and playing well, way back then….we played those games without Baby, we can do without him, he is expendible. We dont NEED baby
KG was fairly healthy at that point.
Now he’s hobbling around, tentative in what he goes for, getting beat to fifty-fifties and getting beat on key plays because he misjudges his body’s current ability (see Rashard Lewis baseline drive). We need Baby now, because KG isn’t close to healthy and our insurance policy (Sheed) isn’t paying up.
by Celticsbloke on Feb 10, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Im not sure..
Idk about this one, Glen has been playing better:
- Offensive boards, defensive ect..
- Scoring w/ his jumper and layups
- But been blocked several times cause of his shortness.
And i did realize we’ve played better w/out him at the beginning of the season. Play TA and Marquis more! We dont need a back-up PG now cause they’re both back in rotation along w/ Eddie. This would affect both of there minutes, and i like Eddie in, Marquis in, Tony in. We need to improve in rebounding and getting down low.
"Victory belongs to the most Preserving" - Napoleon
"The teams that do the best job of putting personal agendas aside are the successful teams. It's not easy. That's why it's hard being a good teammate, but everyone has that choice." - Ray Allen
by AiTheLAviTiCuS#21 on Feb 9, 2010 6:34 PM EST reply actions
I dont mind the trade....I guess
I would rather BBD leave than Ray Ray, but wouldnt that leave us with a lack of bigs especially if Sheldon Williams will also be thrown in.
Not A Major Change
To me this is just a minor change – 2 bench players. It doesn’t change our overall team. This trade won’t make us a contender if we aren’t one now, and our current play isn’t convincing anyone that we are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Like Stephen Graham
Hard-nosed defender, teammate of TA at Oklahoma State
never plays isn't any good.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Why would Augustin be a good backup?
Naturally we are hoping Lue will be our backup, explaining why we cut Hudson. But Augustin is incredibly raw as we saw when we faced them; he has only about 6 or 7 good games all year. The Celtics need a veteran backup to be a stopgap at the backup point like Cassell was. Thankfully we don’t need someone to take the reigns at the end of games now that Rondo has established control of the team, but we certainly need someone to get the second unit running. The core is already there to win, the only problem is a lack of health from our top players minus Rajon and Perk, as well as Rasheed’s inability to step up in the 4th and stay in the paint when they arent trying to free up Perk and Rondo. The biggest improvement for this team needs to come in practice and the locker room.
by I Love Getting Rondo'd on Feb 9, 2010 6:50 PM EST reply actions
Lue
Maybe Lue is not impressive at all, I mean i’m pretty sure he’s practiced with the guys at various points throughout the season, So Doc and Danny has probably had a look at him, and maybe he’s just not cutting it.
Even when we added Cassell
House ending up getting most of the backup minutes.
And let’s face it, Lue couldn’t crack the rotation in Orlando, even when they were missing Jameer – so I’m not expecting Lue to bring much to the table.
Don't Trade Rondo or Perk!
House got most of the backup minutes?
That isn’t true at all. House lost a bunch of minutes to Cassel when he joined the team, in fact it was a pretty hot topic for a while.
Lue knows the system, and the players. He can handle the limited amount of minutes he would be gien.
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by Jimmy Toscano on Feb 9, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen Graham is great
The other thing we’re missing is a rock solid backup defensive 3 to do what Posey used to do. Queasy doesn’t have the muscle to guard big 3’s. If we do the Baby deal, we’d most likely get Graham to balance out the salaries, which would be very nice, but force Tony out of the rotation which at least I don’t want to see.
by I Love Getting Rondo'd on Feb 9, 2010 6:52 PM EST reply actions
he's not great and he won't be taking TAs role.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I Think Another Trade Would Have to Follow
This leaves us way too thin (not that Baby is that thin) up front. If this deal happened (and did not include us getting a big man back from CHA), it would lead me to believe that trading Ray would be more likely (with a big and SG coming to Boston in return – Hinrich and Thomas from the Bulls?).
I’d also trade Sheed for a big man with a pulse and some twinkies, though, so I may not be the best person to ask!
what we need 2 do is get rid of rasheed’s sorry ass… n why didnt we get a backup before the season started… name 1 top contending team without a true backup pg
what???
boston needs a scorer and point guard—not davis, not wallace, scallabrine is questionable—need a confident shooter—-this is lacking on whole team—-they are not a championship team since trading pose—-real sad—-
I love this!!
We’d finally get a real back up point guard AND we get Eddie House off the court. That’s perfect. Plus Sheldon gets to play again. Where’s the down side? A guard rotation of Rondo, Ray, Pierce, D.J., Tony, and Quisy would be a good improvement. I like it.
we'd be overpaying
for a piece that really isn’t needed. I’d be interested in DJ – a backup, undersized combo guard who can’t run the point – for House – who is basically the same player. But not for Davis when our front line is so suspect.
If this means more Sheed . . .
Ugh! Definitely would not do it!
Backup PG's
Can anyone think of a backup PG that we can get that would be worth it? We would want a nice vet, not a project that cant give us a reliable catalyst for the second unit like DJ. Look at his game logs he has a good game every few weeks. I’d love Steve Blake, but he’s got an expiring $4m, making him tough to pry away from McMillan. Would anyone do Baby and JR for Blake? I’d be very hesitant and prefer to send TA, but I doubt Portland would want him. Baby fits their needs perfectly and would probably be their only target on our roster, unless we can get haywood there and throw Scal and Giddens to Washington, which is a dream scenario. I could see Portland moving Blake only because Miller is back on track and Bayless is ready for solid minutes.
by I Love Getting Rondo'd on Feb 9, 2010 8:03 PM EST reply actions
Make sense only if...
We trade Allen for Martin and Nocioni
We trade Allen for Iggy and Dalembert
I think...
…you’re on to something. with the latter. 8 )
by Tai on Feb 9, 2010 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
Would prefer Iggy and Brand over Dalembert
Dalembert just replicates what Perk does, but not as consistently. What we need is a big man who can force teams to double and then make the pass to our open shooters. Brand can at least do that sometimes. Awful big contract to take on for a guy who can only do it sometimes though!
by Celticsbloke on Feb 10, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Dannt is not dumb if he does this its because we will probably pull the deal for hinrich and thomas he would replace baby
by reggie_35 on Feb 9, 2010 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Keep BBD
He’s an idiot…but he actually is a pretty solid player…lately
by BostonThreeParty on Feb 9, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions
"The 6-9 Davis"
Did we add Antonio Davis to our roster. Glenn Davis is about as close to 6-9 as Giddens is. He’s actually closer to 6-9 around than tall.
If we deal BBD
Get used to continuing to watch our front line get overpowered on a nightly basis. With KG in his current state, we suck at the 4.
The Celtics had one of the best records in the NBA
When Glen Davis was on the sidelines with his thumb injury. Not saying there is a direct correlation, but just saying that this team clearly can win without Glen Davis.
what we are missing....
is perimeter defense. Any chance there’s a trade out there that can remedy that situation? I am ready for Wallace to leave though..jeeeshhh….
nah, what we are missing is a healthy KG
In 07-08 when KG was healthy, we had the best defensive 3pt FG% in the league if I remember correctly. We were also pretty much the best 3pt shooting team. Without him protecting the rim, our guards have to back off the perimeter so they don’t get beat off the dribble. Without him commanding double teams in the post, we can’t get open threes in our half court offence. Fix KG and you fix the Celtics!
by Celticsbloke on Feb 10, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Die Hard 30 year Celtics Fan
Anyone who thinks trading Glen Davis for DJ Augustin is a good idea isn’t paying attention to Davis age and upside. The Celtics have an asset in Davis that with another season of play with significant minutes per game will yield a player far more valuable that Augustin. In other words, Davis’ ceiling is far more intriguing than Augustin. I say NO WAY to this trade.
But Davis' ceiling is limited
… by his body, is it not? He’ll never be tall enough to stop defenders from making him #1 in the NBA in shots blocked. And it looks like he’ll never be fit enough to jump high enough to compensate. He has potential…. but it’s limited.
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