Celtics Can't Afford to Just "Turn it On"
So...uh...where do we go from here? Realistically, how does a team with championship aspirations recover after a loss to one of the worst teams in NBA history? Even more so, how do these Celtics recover from Saturday's loss to the abysmal New Jersey Nets given the state the team was in entering the game? If this was 2007-2008 and the Celtics had already eclipsed the 50-win plateau and lost to those Nets, we'd probably just be saying: "Well, uh, that was weird."
But instead, we're left more dumbstruck than ever before. It's one thing for this team to not be ready to tackle teams like the Cavaliers, Lakers, and Nuggets. It's an entirely different matter if this team can't even overcome the lowly Nets.
A few things occurred before Saturday's game. First, someone hung a sign up in the locker room that reads: "Individuals win games. Teams win championships." Clearly, someone's attempting to bring in outside sources of motivation. The only problem is, these Celtics don't appear to want to be motivated. Just ask Kendrick Perkins, who confirmed before the game that the veterans on the team were indeed "bored" with the regular season and are already anxious for the playoffs.
Beyond that, the team's talk following each loss grows cheaper by the day. After the Celtics blew another double-digit lead against the Cavaliers on Thursday, Kevin Garnett said to the media: "I know you guys are tired of writing it in your columns. I apologize for that. At some point there has to be some action." He then followed that statement up with this one after the loss to the Nets yesterday (When there was, you know, no action): "I feel disgusted."
So do something about it!
Are these guys just starting to feel sorry for themselves? Do they not realize that they alone need to change the fate of this season? And when I say, "they", I mean the players. The onus falls on the five guys who grace the court at any given time. It's certainly out of our hands. It's out of Danny Ainge's hands. And at this point, it's even out of Doc Rivers' hands. Whether you like Doc or not, his system will work with this group, particularly because he and his staff preach things like defense, rebounding, valuing the ball, moving the ball on offense, and self-sacrifice for the greater good of the team. It's not Doc's schemes that are driving this season off the road. It's the individual efforts of each player not matching the necessary levels this team needs in order to find success.
Where's the heart? Where's the hustle? Where's the dedication? Where's the passion? Where's the determination? Where's the resourcefulness? Where's the steadfastness? Where's the will to win? Where's the person who's going to stand up and say: "Enough"?
And if such a person does decide to stand up and say that, are we even going to believe him? Like I said, the talk with this team is cheap. At this point, the exchange rate would put you in debt. Especially when you've got guys like Rasheed Wallace saying: "No matter if we're bored or not, shoot, you still gotta go out and play the game the right way and get wins." At this point, given the individual it came out of, I believe we can refer to that statement as an oxymoron. Rasheed hasn't been playing the right way all season, and we're supposed to buy his comments? I for one, am not. And did anyone else catch Rasheed's rant on the poor official under the basket with 9:29 left in the fourth quarter on Saturday? Boy, it was a doozy.
Remember a month or so back when we were blaming the injuries for this team's problems? We were fooled, unfortunately. We see now that this team knows what it's been doing all along. Injuries aside, they don't appear to be willing to put the necessary effort in to win these games. And it's a shame. Because until they decide to do something about it, we'll be stuck in this rut.
Maybe, just maybe, this team is indeed just waiting for the playoffs. They're essentially guaranteed a spot at this point. But even if they are - even if they are expecting to enter the first round, snap their fingers, and expect everything to be peaches and ice cream - how can they guarantee that it will work out? After basically half a season of not giving the necessary effort, how can they expect to catch lightning in a bottle and run the table? After half a season of being on pause, will this team be able to effectively shake off the rust? They haven't appeared to properly execute their sets in weeks, yet the second the playoffs hit they expect that execution to just magically be there? Don't they need to show themselves that they can actually do it first? Because what happens if they enter the postseason and they can't actually do it? What if the switch gets flipped but the light doesn't turn on? What evidence is there that proves this can actually be done wit this team?
It's like an entry level employee expecting a huge promotion if he can perform well during the fourth quarter of the year. Except he hasn't proved that he has any of the qualifications or skills necessary to find success at the job. And on top of that, his work ethic is minimal and he can't even work effectively on a day-by-day basis. Yet, when the fourth quarter begins, he expects to just "turn it on" and surge towards the end in order to obtain the promotion. Unfortunately, because he couldn't do his job when it didn't exactly matter, he certainly can't do his job when the pressure's actually on. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work like that.
Hopefully these Celtics realize this. Hopefully they see the value in the remaining 25 games of the regular season. For if they do not, and their words continue to speak louder than their actions, they will surely be putting an awful lot of unsupported faith in their ability to just "turn it on" come playoff time.
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You nailed it Greg. Nailed it.
As I watch the previous games, IMO, KG is the only one who plays with effort. Yeah I know his stats are not that great, but when you watch him, you can see that he is playing hard because he plays like he has something to prove (because he has really something to prove), it’s just that his body ain’t 100%.
For the other guys, it seems like they played uninspired. Much like the Anti-Dallas Mavericks right now. Even Perkins whom I see as a hard worker, has his production numbers down from last year. As for Rondo, he seems like to be floating through possessions. He is still a very good passer, but he seems “bored” to say the least. Maybe being an All-star has gotten through his head.
Everybody is not on the same page, and how could you win with that? As I have said with my comment in another post, I think the C’s need to have a closed door meeting, which is either players-only, or with the coach.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is one of the keys to domination and victory.
Nice piece, Greg
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
Greg your right. They can't just turn it on....
unless they build some momentum going into the playoffs.
The C’s players need to bring a change to their mentality….and hopefully it’ll be with tomorrow night’s game. We have already lost one game to the Pistons…we can’t afford to lose another one.
Can't afford and can't do it
They not only can’t afford to “turn it on”, they can’t “turn it on.” If that were the case, they would have beaten the Hawks on the third try, the Cavs, and Nets. 3 games that should have meant something.
Dispatched in the first round
by the Bulls.
Celtics are fine...
… and this whole drama going on here is completely overblown. KG is looking good at the moment. Pierce will return soon and all will be quite fine.
"Turning it on?"
The Celtics have succeeded in “turning-it-on” several times this season.
How else can one explain the “Big, Gut-check, statement victories” they`ve had this year?
For instance :
1} The 98-95 OT victory at home over a depleted Portland team {Jan. 22}
2} The hard fought 95-89 win at home over the Clippers {Jan. 25}
3} The 110-106 awe-inspiring, wake-up-the-ghosts win over NY at home {Feb. 23}
Powerful argument, right DRJ1?
Team is in fear mode.
The fear is that if they turn it on now, they won’t be able to keep it up.
Unlike some other teams, the Celtics as a team and as individuals
truly believe that they can only turn it on and KEEP it on for a matter of weeks.
Their bodies will fail.
So they are doing what they think gives them the best chance this year.
Wait to turn it on until right before playoff season. Yes, playoff SEASON.
Still, I really don’t believe they will get deep into the tournament.
I do not believe they are good enough.
Wow this team think it's the '92 Bulls
Hello Kendrick and friends. You won one championship. You aren’t the greatest team ever. Not even close. We should have seen it coming when Rasheed predicted 73 wins. So I guess this team is just going to turn it on against the Hawks, Magic and Cavs. Please save it for somebody else.
He is weak
He was an awful signing. I think the team will be okay, but Rasheed was just an awful decision. I liked it at the time, but man he is sucking wind out there. They should have spent the money on someone 25 or under. Or just thrown it in a big pile and lit it on fire…. At least it would have kept them warm for a few minutes.
by funkstarrdeluxe on Mar 1, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I liked the signing too. Boys was I wrong.
by Steal by Bird on Mar 1, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Relax, it isn't that bad...
Nets were a classic trap game. They didn’t get up for it, when their opponent did. It happens, especially to veteran teams that have already won a championship. They’ve got two losses in a row. It isn’t the end of the world, just a lull in the season. While they clearly aren’t the most dominant team in the NBA anymore, it doesn’t mean they can’t win it all if they get a few lucky breaks in the playoffs.
Lucky breaks
like Joe Johnson, Lebron and Kobe breaking their legs :)
by Steal by Bird on Mar 1, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
This may be the most deletirious effect of the Sheed acquisition.
He’s still defending his ‘turn it on at the playoffs’ approach to the game. That’s an attitude that Doc and Danny have been fighting all year, but I don’t think enough of the rest of the team realized t was a dead end.
Head games
I think the Celtics don’t want to admit they are not as good as other teams, so they comfort themselves by attributing their poor play to “being bored.” The playoffs will be a wake-up call I’m afraid.
beg to diffah
- they have PP (remember all his antics, he’s 3rd greatest celtic ever)
- they have KG (playing well post all star break)
- they have ‘Sheed (experienced playoff character)
- they have Rondo (the king of speed and rubbery resilience)
- they have Ray Allen (the most fundamentally sound celtic ever)
- they have Perk (the Beast in the middle, dwight stopper)
- they have BENCH (nate – contributions tba, hoping it’s significant)
- the have BENCH (big baby – crashing the boards – experienced at a young age)
- they have BENCH (marquis daniels – ridiculous tattoos, check!)
- they have BENCH (tony allen – ‘lock down defender’)
- they have PLAYER TBA -
I heard Tony Battie’s name this weekend – something else will happen – the roster will be tinkered with a bit further – but I think they can coast until the playoffs, get in healthy and really make a push to hammer it home
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Tinkering
I hear Mark Blount is getting released by the T-Wolves. Get it done, Danny. :)
So much wrong with this article, it's hard to know where to begin
(1) First of all, between you and Jeff, all the pessimism and negativity is really WEIRD, given that you run this site. Are you TRYING to make the fans give up? Because it sure plays like it.
(2) How do you know it’s not Doc’s fault? Didn’t Doc overplay Ray almost to extinction for about 1/2 the season? Isn’t he still doing it with Rondo? Isn’t it Doc who has said countless times after games that he needs to stop overplaying guys, only to do it again and again and again? Isn’t it Doc who ignores all new/young players, and can’t figure out rotations? And isn’t it Doc who arguably has lost control over the players?
(3) This whole piece is written like the Cs have had a terrible season. Why let the facts disturb your depression over losing to the Nets (as if that meant something)? Facts: Only two teams in the Eastern Conference have fewer losses than the Celtics, and one of those teams has 20, just 1 less than the Cs. Only 4 teams in the WHOLE NBA have fewer losses than the Celtics, and 2 of them are at 20. I would like to know what the hell you are talking about!
(4) Here’s a question you asked 8 different ways (yes, really, 8): “How can they guarantee that it will work out?” Ok, tell me which team has a “guarantee that it will work out.” That, sir, is a ridiculous question. There are no guarantees. For anybody. What guarantee does Cleveland have that their all-out effort to get the league’s best record won’t result in Lebron James going down with a broken foot one day, because he’s exhausted and overplayed by THEIR idiot coach?
(5) Better yet, let’s turn it around. How do you know the Cs CAN’T turn it around? You sound like you have the inside scoop. Please enlighten us. Is it, by any chance, because they lost to the Nets? The Nets… who just happened to play an excellent game for a change? The exaggerated and outright NUTTY importance people have placed on that one game is just mind-boggling. As I’ve explained before, the Nets have some very good players. Their record is in NO WAY an indication of how good they can be. No one should be surprised that they CAN play well. And they did, on Saturday. SO WHAT??
(6) The Celtics “haven’t executed in weeks?” They’ve been “on pause”? They have to “show themselves” that they can do it? Huh?!? Again, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? They have an excellent record. They performed well enough to lose by just 1 point to the Lakers on Dec 31 (due to one lucky last-second shot) – a team believed by many to be the best or second-best team in the NBA. And then they actually beat LA on Feb 18. They lost by only 2 points to Orlando on Jan 28, mostly because the Magic just went nuts hitting shots at the end. And they DOMINATED THE CAVS through 2 quarters just last week. Yes, they ended up losing, but you cannot claim that they haven’t “shown themselves”, or that they “haven’t executed in weeks.” They have, many times. You’re just apparently blinded to all that truth by the bright roaring flame of the Nets loss that you THINK is so horrible. (See #5.)
(7) Fact is, the starting 5 on the Celtics know very well what they are capable of doing. They don’t have to “prove it” to you, or to themselves. They’ve been doing it together for almost 3 years now. Maybe they’re just confident in what they’re doing (unlike all other contenders, who all have new starters that need acclimation and practice.)
(8) And maybe, just maybe, this team is seeing the NBA’s overstuffed 82-game schedule for what it is. Way too frantic. And almost completely devoid of meaning. Except to the fans, that is. But the fans will be happy enough, they figure, with what this team does in the playoffs.
(9) Just because the Cs are doing things this season in a way that hasn’t been tried before in the NBA… does that mean it CANNOT be done? Are we cursed to never break out of any mold set by our predecessors? Really? Is David Stern King Of The Universe, whose pronouncements and expectations must be met at all times? So what if Sheed chooses not to play hard now? Maybe it’s because he doesn’t want to get injured fighting for one more meaningless rebound, or taking one more meaningless charge, in a meaningless game in the meaningless regular season. That’s not POSSIBLE??
(10) I know you who have bought tickets are not getting your full money’s worth. That’s a legitimate complaint. But do NOT extend that into an indictment of the WHOLE TEAM just because you’re upset. Because they lost to a team you think they should have beaten. That’s wrong. And this article is wrong, from beginning to end.
Checking the team for a pulse
I think ultimately, most of us are looking for some acknowledgement that a sense of urgency is needed. The whole idea that they are playing poorly because they are bored suggests the team thinks otherwise.
We’ve had a lot of indications that this team can’t just turn it on. The team is too proud to have not chosen to do so (if they had that ability) against the Hawks, Cavs, Nets, etc. (even with the health problems)
Also, history suggests that unless you are among among the greatest teams of all time or have the best player in the league (MJ, Shaq), you aren’t going to just “turn it on” during the playoffs.
Personally, I appreciate your optimism, but you have to admit that some skepticism is justified.
Absolutely, I admit
… some skepticism is warranted. They could fail, of course. (So could any other team, of course.) But we’ve gone way beyond “some skepticism” here. And I find that wholly unjustified. Ludicrous, even.
Though I disagree with quite a few points you bring up
… I do agree with the problem going on around here at the moment is the pessimism being propagated around here. People are reacting and losing all perspective of what is going on and it’s turning what is a pretty cool site with good discussions into a Whiners Club.
by BudweiserCeltic on Mar 1, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point...
…but, If the team continues to play as it has for the last two months, failure is an absolute certainty. I would have hoped one bad month would be enough to convince this team they have to regain their focus, but that hasn’t been the case. I would have hoped losing a solid lead to the Cavs at home and getting blown out by 20 would have been enough to convince them it’s time to “turn it on” and they ended up getting manhandled by the Nets. Now I’m hoping getting manhandled by the Nets will be enough to establish a killer instinct and finish the season strong. It’s enough to drive someone…well…crazy. Sometimes it’s better to stay down when you keep getting punched in the face. :)
Anyway, one of the many great things about this blog is that it’s a place to share our joy in victories and frustration in losses.
(3) This whole piece is written like the Cs have had a terrible season. Why let the facts disturb your depression over losing to the Nets (as if that meant something)? Facts: Only two teams in the Eastern Conference have fewer losses than the Celtics, and one of those teams has 20, just 1 less than the Cs. Only 4 teams in the WHOLE NBA have fewer losses than the Celtics, and 2 of them are at 20.
Well said
by Who on Mar 1, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...DRJ1, you and I seem to have conflicting thoughts on the matter...
I actually didn’t see this piece as all that negative, to be entirely honest. I could have titled this: “Please, Celtics, turn this around now so that you can succeed in the playoffs”, because ultimately that’s what I want them to do and that’s what I expect them to do. That was the point of the article. That the Celtics have to take advantage of these last 25 games in order to get back to the level they are capable of playing at before the playoffs begin.
I suppose our opinions differ the most when we discuss the importance of the regular season. I understand why you say it’s not important, for of course, you win in the playoffs. However, this team’s play has been vastly inconsistent of late, has it not? Do injuries play a part? Sure, but the rate this team has been giving up leads almost on a game-by-game basis has to be somewhat alarming. I suppose I hear you say the regular season is just a practice session and then go see this team blow a second half lead to the Cavs, and say to myself: “So, were they just practicing in the first half? Did Doc and the coaches say, ‘Hey, great practice guys. We can pack it in for the rest of the night?’”
Also, shouldn’t you want to see this team “practice” certain scenarios, like closing out opponents in the second half? Or staying true to their defensive principles for an entire fourth quarter? I mean, if we don’t see this team close out a top tier team the rest of the season, how can we expect them to be able to do it once the playoffs arrive? I guess I read your comments and I get the feeling that you think the Celtics are sick right now and the playoffs are some sort of wonder drug that will get them out of their funk. While I agree it’s only natural for the playoffs to bring out the competitive side of the players, shouldn’t games against the Magic, Cavs, Lakers, Nuggets, etc. also evoke that same competitiveness? I can understand the C’s being bored with the Nets, Wizards, Pacers, etc. but what about these tougher opponents? Pierce and co. can’t get up for a game against LeBron or Carmelo?
And you ask, how do I know the C’s CAN’T turn it around. A good question, indeed. I base my claim off of the demeanor and comments of the players and Doc following these subject losses. Doc and the players are acknowledging that this team has issues, but for whatever reason they can’t seem to correct them. How often now, have we been talking about these second half collapses? At least a month or two, correct? Later on I’ll get a more exact date, but let’s say these issues started in late January. Whenever the specific time period was, Doc and co. have given us the same comments after each game…“We need to be better. We need to be more focused. We need to get back to what’s brought us success in the past. It comes back to defense.”, etc. etc. The problem is, we keep hearing these things after each and every loss. Which, if you think about it, pretty much means the issues themselves aren’t getting solved.
After the Cleveland game, Mark Murphy of the Herald asked Kevin Garnett something to the tune of: “You’ve been saying that for a few weeks now”, in regards to KG’s comments about needing to be better. KG responded with the quote I used in the article: I know you guys are tired of writing it in your columns. I apologize for that. At some point, there has to be some action." So again, when hearing these things, this sounds more and more like a team with some issues that simply aren’t being addressed on the court, as opposed to a team who doesn’t care at all about the regular season. They might be bored, but based on the looks on the faces of the players and their general demeanor in these press conferences after these terrible losses, they very much care about what’s happening right now. Which is why I have hope that things will change. But that’s why I stress the importance of the rest of the regular season. They can still turn this around, but they have to get to work now. Because, again, listening to the quotes from Doc and the players and such, this team does have some issues that need to be worked out, prior to the post season, preferably.
So then we come to the loss to the Nets, which I don’t think I overreacted about. I know the Nets have talent. I’ve said it before myself, actually. But it’s the fact that KG and co. say the Celtics need action to solve their problems but then go and put on such a lackluster performance against the Nets. But it could have been any team following the Cleveland game. They needed to respond and they didn’t. And the Nets, being as bad as they indeed are, are susceptible to teams who rebound, play defense, and garner early leads. Those are the types of things we expect from the Celtics. They needed to defend, rebound, and build an early lead (which they did, but then lost it of course). So my frustration stems not from the fact that the Nets are the Nets, but because the Celtics had a great opportunity to respond and they failed to do so.
And if they don’t care at all about the regular season, why don’t they just say it? I mean, if they firmly don’t care at all about their performance, and are entirely convinced they can make it work in the playoffs, why don’t they come out and say that? After the loss to Cleveland, why didn’t Doc come out and say, “You know what guys, we played pretty good for two quarters, but we don’t care at all about this loss. This loss means nothing to us, to be honest. We’re so focused on the post season that these losses don’t mean a thing to us right now.”? Instead, they keep searching for answers to the problems that plagued them, which again, seems to indicate that the team does indeed have problems that they are trying to address, but for whatever reason, just don’t appear to be able to. And that comes back to the players not executing, both on offense and defense, depending on the game. Doc can only go so far. He can draw up a great scheme, but if the players aren’t willing to execute it, what can he do?
As for me not being an optimist…I’m sorry, but I can’t help but laugh. You don’t know me personally, but I can assure you that if you did, you would never question my optimism when it comes to the Celtics. Like I said, I didn’t see this piece as negative. I don’t say, “Blow it up”, or “it’s over”, or “The Celtics suck”…I’m merely stating that the team has issues that really can’t be ignored and need to be addressed. I don’t think I’m any less of a fan for acknowledging some of my team’s flaws. Does that make me a bad fan? Doesn’t that make me a more realistic fan? In some ways I might even be a better fan for wanting to address the issues so that my team can then be better for it. As opposed to ignoring the issues and pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows.
Remember the loss to the Nuggets? Looking pretty bleak late in the fourth quarter, right? Here’s what I tweeted with 3:14 left in the 4th with the Celtics down 13:
Down 13 with 3:14 left? It can be done. I’m an optimist. Sue me.
Then, five minutes later, after Ray buried a three, I tweeted: That was a big 3 by Ray…This can be done.
Here’s my twitter page link if you don’t believe me. Scroll down to Feb 21st. Believe me, sir, I can assure you I am always an optimist.
In the meantime, here are some other links where the Celtics themselves are acknowledging their recent struggles:
http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100227nets_surprise_celtics_104-96/
Here’s one quote from Garnett that I really like from this article:
"We’re a team that takes a lot of pride in getting stops," Garnett said. "We got to get back to that. Hearing it is starting to make my ears ring, but that’s what it is. And we will. We have no choice."
See, to me, when he says “We got to get back to that”, that means they aren’t doing it right now. Which is an issue, if you ask me.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100228problems_pop_up_in_fits_and_starts/
I like the quote in here where Doc says: But I believe this team’s good enough to win a world championship. This team. I don’t think we’ve proven that. I think we still have to prove that. And we can talk about it all day, but at some point we have to show it – and I don’t think we’ve shown it. But I still believe that."
More or less sums up my views. They’re not doing it right now. But they certainly can. Which is why they need to get back on track over these final 25 games.
Greg, I gotta apologize
…for the overaggressive tone of my earlier response. I understand everything you just wrote, and even really enjoyed it. Now about the Celtics…
This thing that’s happening with the Cs is subtler, and in some ways deeper, than it seems on the surface.
For example… they cannot just come out and tell the press all about their season’s “plan” (to coast in the regular season and turn it on for the playoffs). First of all, that would be a PR disaster. Just like EVER saying the word “bored” was a TOTAL PR disaster. (!)
Second, and more interesting, is that they don’t really see any “plan” as black-and-white as I’ve presented it here. That’s where it gets subtle. I am NOT suggesting that they all got together, cabal-like, and decided in the dead of night to blow off the regular season. No way. This is the kind of attitude and decision that comes on gradually, that permeates a team because it’s seeded in there (by Sheed, no doubt) and then grows because it has the ring of truth.
In-game, it goes something like this: They play hard coming out the door. They build a lead. The other team is playing hard, but hasn’t really challenged them yet. Comes the 2nd half, and the other team challenges. They go on a run, they change their D, etc. How do the Cs respond? That’s the key moment.
Well… they continue playing, first of all. And feeling the challenge, they look inside themselves. They check their thermostats. What temperature am I set at? Is this life-and-death time? Should I burn myself all-out with my response, giving it my absolute best? Or do I just do what I can without going overboard? My point is that – now in the regular season – the answer is almost always the latter.
That’s how this kind of “plan” is implemented. It’s not a conscious CONSPIRATORIAL decision. It creeps up on a team, as described above. But it’s still real. Real enough to directly affect the outcomes of games.
And, MOST important — this kind of internal “plan” can be expected to DISAPPEAR come playoff time. Because then, when they go to check their thermostats?… They’ll find that they’re set to maximum.
As for KG’s quotes – there is no question whatsoever, in my mind, that KG is NOT on board with this “plan”. I firmly believe that his thermostat is ALWAYS set to high. So I expect those kinds of quotes from him.
In the end, I see we are not very far apart. Perhaps really only in the area of the importance of the regular season. I’ve thought for a long time – well before this season – that the NBA’s 82 games are way too many, way too hard, and way too meaningless. It’s a fundamental, structural flaw… one of several in this league. So the thought that the Cs could come to the same conclusion, and probably have, was easier for me than for you.
All’s well. One thing’s for sure: we all want the same thing in the end. I’m ok if they start their “real practice” 10 or 12 games from the end. You’d like it right now. The difference is maybe 15 games. Hopefully, they’ll figure it out and do the right thing. Just please, PLEASE Cs… don’t get injured trying too hard.
I do agree
That 82 games is too many. Personally, I’d be a fan of 60-70. But the NBA is a cash cow, so we’re unlikely to see anything change on that front.
And I certainly understand why they can’t come out and acknowledge any true feelings they might have about the regular season.
I am interested in this though…Say the Celtics play the same type of game as they played against CLE and NJ for the rest of the regular season…Lackluster effort, weak execution, etc…If these problems persist for the final 25 games, are you confident that they can suddenly, out of nowhere, just be an elite playoff team after legitimate months of spotty play? Or would you agree that at some point during this regular season they do have to try and be better than they have been, in order to prep somewhat for the postseason? To at least get in some sort of rhythm, to execute their sets, and to try and re-establish their defensive principles?
Because wouldn’t it be better walking into the playoffs prepared…As opposed to walking into the playoffs fresh off a regular season of collapses? By that I mean, I don’t want the Celtics to be re-learning things in the first few games of the playoffs, you know? I don’t want them to have to lock down defensively in the fourth, but then remember they haven’t actually done that in months. I at least want them sharp enough to not have to re-adjust on the fly during playoff games.
Perhaps that’s why you say “real practice” can begin with 10 games?
Yes, exactly... to your last sentence
That’s it. My biggest concern by far is INJURY. Because – and I’m 99.9% sure you will agree – any serious injury to a major player spells THE END for this team. Their only shot is to go in healthy and stay that way. (And btw… that’s pretty much true for any team. Healthiest team wins.)
That’s the main reason for not playing too hard now. Best example is Sheed. If he’s at the 3pt line, not banging in the post, not taking ANY charge, his risk of injury is clearly much lower than it would be if he did do all those things. So… save it for the playoffs. Because man, if any of these key guys gets injured now, in the regular season, fighting to win 1 out of 82 meaningless games…. that would be a REAL tragedy. A stupid, pointless tragedy.
If you’re gonna go down, go down fighting for something that really matters. That starts in April.
"Turn it on" is the trap
I work in the performing arts and we have a saying – " You rehearse to perform." If you don’t bring 100% to rehearsal, you can’t expect to remember your lines or bow your fiddle the right way when it’s game time. No matter if you’re Tiger Woods or Yo Yo Ma, no matter what your talent level or history, there’s not such thing as just turning on for the games that count. And if they think they can, they’ve already fallen into the trap.
by GreenInNYC on Mar 1, 2010 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes, but what if you've been rehearsing for 3 years?
Should you continue doing dress rehearsal every night right up until opening day? And risk breaking a few legs in the process?
Yes, if you're playing woodwinds
No, if you’re doing something physical, like dancing. Shoulda clarified my metaphor. But if you still think yes… ok, to each his/her own.
So why does Ray Allen get up to practice shots every day at 9am instead of just “turning them on” for games? I’m sorry, but this while thing is silly.
Playing the woodwinds, actually, is taxing enough. Try blowing in a funnel for several hours and tell me how you feel.
If you promise not to jump on my foot
…sure, I’ll blow in a funnel for ya.
There’s a difference between practicing your individual craft outside of any game, and smashing into bodies dozens of times per game, risking injury with every contact.
And there is a difference between the types of ailment that might make you incapable to perform your craft, too.
But you still don’t get the point — excellence in any field is achieved by accepting the risk and doing the heavy lifting. There is nothing easy or safe about being the best. That’s it.
I think it was Steve Bulpett
who was talking last night about individuals not trusting (not without reason) that help would be there being the cause of a general breakdown of defensive intensity. This is exactly the kind of thing that needs to be practiced in games night after night with full out execution. If they don’t start making that happen now, it won’t be there in the post season.
by GreenInNYC on Mar 1, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good point
Don’t see that “lack of trust” thing, though. It’s more like they KNOW Sheed’s not gonna show up. But in the playoffs, they expect he will.
‘Sides, this would be a more valid argument if this team – certainly the starters – didn’t already have 3 years of experience with each other. Since they do, I’m not too enamored of it.
Don´t forget the 95 Rockets
They won the title without homecourt advantaje in any round. They were veteran and really talented. I hope we get this example.
Figured that team would come up eventually
But it’s worth noting that Rockets team is clearly the exception and not the rule.
And it also had Hakeem Olajuwon, who averaged 33-10-4.5 for the entire playoffs and blocked nearly three shots per game to boot.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 1, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Can nothing be done
…that has not been done before? By that logic, we should still be living in caves, using rocks for basketballs.
Sure it can. It’s just not very likely.
When you play poker, are you looking for high or low probability plays?
Problem is, we're looking at different probabilities
You’re looking at the probability of raising your game to a high enough level if you haven’t “practiced” enough.
I’m looking at the decidedly tiny probability of winning if you get injured, and weighing that with the increase in the probability of injury that results from playing too many games, too many minutes, too hard, too riskily.
The conditional probability of winning after someone getting injured is decidedly smaller than the conditional probability of winning while trying to “turn it on when it matters”. At least in my mind.
panic
The point I was trying to make is that when accounting that the chance to win with injuries is small, you also have to account how large the chance for someone to get irreparably injured is (hence, “conditional probability”).
I just don’t believe that bringing it on every night, as opposed to coasting, makes the chance of injury that much higher.
Yes... that's the "weighting" to which I referred
But think about it…. Take this example: If you play, say, 40 minutes in a game, let’s assign you a probability of getting injured equal to “X”. Now say you play that SAME game, but only 20 minutes. Is it not the case that your probability of injury just went down by approximately 50%, to X/2? Of course, it is.
So we can agree that the length of TIME a player plays directly influences his probability of injury.
Now look at intensity. If Sheed hangs around the 3-point line, hardly ever goes to the post to fight/jump for rebounds and loose balls, and if he NEVER takes a charge… he has a certain Y probability of getting injured. Isn’t that Y a LOT LOWER than his probability of injury if he IS fighting in the post for every rebound – where every jump risks landing awkwardly, or on someone’s foot – and if he DOES take charges from the likes of Lebron, Artest, Melo, et al?
I think that last one’s pretty obvious. But hey, if you disagree, I cannot PROVE it. But if you think about it fairly… I think you will agree.
So we agree
It’s a lot smaller. The question is in the weighting. I.e., the increased risk of injury (in the first place) that results from playing too long and/or too hard in the meaningless regular season.
I would cosign koz's response
Also, please don’t put words in my mouth (or fingers, as it is). I didn’t and never have said that what you’re suggesting cannot be done. I’m enough of an optimist/fanatic/believer to always be talking some part of myself into the bright side.
But the fact that history demonstrates a strong correlation between regular season and playoff success (albeit not a perfect one, as the top overall seed doesn’t win every year) seems to give me more pause than it does you.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 1, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with pause
I do have a problem with relentless pessimism and “end-of-the-world” pronouncements. (Not from you, tho.)
My principal beef with the “turning it on” tactic is that there is overwhelming evidence that it doesn’t work for this team. If they were able to turn it on at will, they would have at least 10 extra wins from games they lost down the stretch. Of course, unless it was all a ruse, and they actually had no desire whatsoever to win those games, and therefore never even tried to turn it on.
Well... you're looking microscopically
…and I’m talking macroscopically. Their OVERALL effort level. I don’t think it’s possible for anybody or any team to fine tune their “switch” to make it work intra-game. But to turn it on, say, for the playoffs? As a whole/group? Sure, I can certainly see that.
Withhold his pay
until he “turns it on”.
Yeah, Steve, Hakeem played unbelievable, but PP or KG can do the same thing because they are great players. KG probably at the same level of Hakeem (less sthetic may be)
While I'm enough of a fan/believer/optimist (whatever word you choose) to believe that can happen as well,
I do think it’s fair to note that those numbers represented a significantly lower deviation from Hakeem’s regular season performance that year (27.8-10.8-3.5) than that sort of production would be for any of the Celtics’ current big three.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 1, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Celtics never needed one guy/superstar to carry them
That’s in part what has set them apart from teams like the Cavs and Lakers. Like in 07-08. We have multiple guys that can step up at any time.
Celtics actually HAVE played high-level basketball for week...
…they’ve been playing outstanding 1st halves and some 3rd quarters as well…so the idea that they haven’t practiced high level execution in weeks is false – they just haven’t been doing it for 4 quarters – especially in the 4th quarter where the intensity is greatest.
So, if you do prescribe to the theory the team isn’t playing all-out, which is clear that they aren’t, you could take stock in the fact that they are spending some time each game playing at a high level – and the leads they had on Orlando and Cleveland should be very heartening.
While this doesn’t mean they are capable of “turning it on” for 4 quarters and beating the best of the league, it does at least give a non-pessimist some encouraging data for the possability of doing so.
Bottom line is this team needs health more than anything else so they at least have a chance to compete at 100%. If that means less slashing, banging, and grinding in crunch time to save their bodies then i’m all for it.
While it is very hard to watch, we have seen this team succumb to injury both last year and this year – since the team has gone into “cruise control” mode there have been no such injuries – when the injuries DID occcur the team was 23-5.
So, i for one will use that and say to myself “whatever” if the team is healthy and ready to give it their all come playoff time – which i know they will – than i have seen enough high level bball from them to make me believe they can contend with anyone.
…also, if a residual benefit to all this is that certain teams take them for granted, then the team could easily steal a game or two by virtue of the OTHER team being lacksadasical come playoff time – the Hawks are a prime candidate for this as they’re young and have won nothing.
by BillfromBoston on Mar 1, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
As almost always
I agree with you. Again, I find it outstanding how the pessimists, which to them means the realist, have selective memory and often ignore important data.
by BudweiserCeltic on Mar 1, 2010 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'll say it
We suck,we play like we suck when it counts and when it counts we suck so WE SUCK.Another thing is also Doc will berate Perk,quit actin like a child and grow up..but when Sheed does the same but worse ,nothing is said,he will berate Rondo ,your teamates hate playin with you,but when ray over dribbles,paul over dribbles,KG doesn’t rotate,sheed could give a crap less,nothing.As a celtic I believe everyone should be held to the same standard,and clearly they are not ,Doc sucks,we Play when it counts like we suck so we suck,I hate the attitude I hate the excuses, We SUCK yep I said it
by reggie_35 on Mar 1, 2010 7:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wake up
23-5 to start the season, 13-16 since. I really hope this team is not waiting for the playoffs, cause the way they are playing, there is not a doubt in my mind they will lose in the first round.
This team needs to wake up and get back that effort, that gave them 23 wins in 28 games. It is hard t believe this is the same team that has one of the longest winning streaks of this year. I remember they mentioned it during the Cavs winning streak right before the All-Star break.
Are we the Pistons?
They had a very good starting five that seemed to believe they could turn it on and off. They also only won one title.

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