Bill Walker Scores 21 (In Loss)
Doc Rivers has caught a lot of flack for not developing young players like Bill Walker and J.R. Giddens.
Yeah. This won't help.
Bill Walker scored 21 points in a blowout loss to the Cavs tonight. I didn't watch the game, so I can't tell you how he looked. To be fair, I'm sure the Knicks offense had something to do with it. Clearly he is getting a chance to play on a team with nothing to play for and nothing to lose. So the situation is vastly different from what he was in with the Celtics.
On the other hand, now that he's been given his shot, he has thus far stepped up to the challenge and I'm happy for him. If what Danny had to say last week is true, then we've still got a chance to see him back in Boston this summer.
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9-14, 2-5 3-pt, third lowest minus stat for the Knicks
In 35 minutes. And it wasn’t his 1st game…
by nba is the worst on Mar 2, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
NOOOOOOOO JEFFF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
please dont get sucked in too the madness
by jbuell719 on Mar 1, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100 percent
I think anyone who plays on the Knicks will score 21 points in at least one game.
in other news
Eddie House was 1-8 from the field including 0-4 from downtown.
Bleed Green. What does it mean?
No big deal
I watched the game – he looked good offensively with a decent shot selection. He would have had more points in garbage time had the other Knicks passed to him. (it could be worse)
I wouldn’t call it a break-out game though. The Cavs had no need to play defense on him since they were up by as many as 40 points. The Knicks were in chaos mode as well since they couldn’t stop the Cavs.
I wasn’t a big fan of the trade, but it’s not like we gave up an all star. This guy didn’t exactly dominate the D-league. In the games I’ve seen him in (including D-league), he’s usually walking up the floor waiting for his next turn to shoot.
Don’t get me wrong though…hope he does well. He was saying all the right things in the post game: “Can’t enjoy the career high when you get blown out.”
He was coming back from injury and a layoff in the D league.
But last night he led the Knicks in scoring and in FG%, was 2nd in rebounds, had 1 of their 3 blocks, and had 0 turnovers in 5 minutes. It was certainly a breakout box score game!
I saw about half the game. He looked good. The points he scored were mainly off legit defense. Powe also looked pretty good. Good thing we have Finley and Battie on the back burner.
by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 1, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions
79-48
That the half time score. The game was virtually over after two quarters. I watched part of it (mostly the 2nd half). There was not much defensive pressure from the Cavs anyway. If this game is an indication of anything about Walker, then it shows he can score in garbage time.
Why don't we get players like that?
All kidding aside it was to bad the C’s never gave him minutes so we could see what the kid had.
Considering we need young, athletic legs its too bad we no longer have him on the bench.
Even If We Get..
Young & athletic basketball players but if Doc is at the helm of everything, it won’t mean a thing.. Both you & I know that the Doc doesn’t rely on young players.. Look what he did to Pruitt, JR, Walker & Hudson? They all rot on the bench.. Doc relies so much with the oldies & we see now the condition the Celtics are in now.. As such why don’t he get Motumbo, Finkel etc.. If the Doc wants, he can also play with them lol.. The man is crazy!!! Before this season started, I have been voicing my opinion that the C’s get big men (this was our weakness last season) but didn’t (except for Rasheed).. Almost every game, we are outrebounded by the opposing teams!!!
Where's Pruitt?
Please, educate on what NBA team he’s contributing on now.
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 2:40 AM EST up reply actions
just in
Ray allen scores 21pt 1 reb 1 assist in a blowout loss to the cavs,I’m sure it was because of the lack of offense from others though,and since the celtics aren’t sniffin 500 ball since december its not like they have much to lose….nice back handed compliment Jeff ..the fact is he had 14 at half at that point the knicks had 46 I believe so he had more than a quarter of there overall points at half in which it was still a game,and considering he was passing and nobody else does .just give the man his due and eat some humble pie all of ya’ll
by reggie_35 on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fat chance
I think Snooki will be a Celtic long before Walker comes back.
by Celtico on Mar 1, 2010 11:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He had 7 points in about 5 minutes early on when the game was still an actual game. Made a three under some pressure and a nice move to the hoop with a man all over him. An impartial observer would say at a minimum that he shows promise, that he’s worth developing. Which he has and is.
by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 1, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions
maybe if the celtics ever blew out teams anymore we would have seen a game like that from bill walker here
Let’s put it this way. If we could’ve made that trade without including him, then trading him was nuts.
by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 1, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions
i can only imagine
how some players would turn out had they not been drafted by the celtics and gone to rookie basketball purgatory
Both he and Powe were low risk (financially) high upside types. They’re both young and could have conceivably helped bridge the team over the abyss it’s staring at in the near future.
by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 1, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions
Bill "Walker" into a bar and the bartender says...
You guys must be joking. Seriously? There isn’t anyone who didn’t like Walker or doesn’t want him to succeed. But, he had chances in a Boston uniform and he never played that well on defense or offense. He had practices, D-League games, and Cs games to show what he was worth. I didn’t like losing him either but he’s not a difference maker or the future for us; so stop acting as if Doc ignored him or Danny traded away our future.
He’s in the NBA, I would hope he could score if he had enough chances. He is in a system now designed for scoring, so don’t be surprised if you see him have a few nice games. Just please don’t make Jeff throw up an alert every time he resembles a quality basketball player.
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 1, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions
Sportscenter
Wo…Wo..Wo…Sportscenter just showed the highlights of the Knicks/Cavs game. When they showed the stats they disrespected “Walker On Air” by not highlighting his name like they do the other stars. Someone should be fired and pay for this outrage!
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 1, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions
Thanks Doc...
This CLOWN Doc Rivers let him rot on the bench while he played idiots like scal and tony allen. I don’t care if it was in garbage time. He HAD to be better than call who does nothing and he can’t be no worse than tony allen.
Doc decides to play SCAL AND TONY ALLEN!!!
You said it! Scal and Tony have never scored 21 points
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 1, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
you're not from around here huh?
Tony never scored 21 points?
by scurvmeister on Mar 2, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
He had chances…wow good one lls..actually funniest thing I heard in a while thanks.smdh..yea delusional much..don’t really care what anybody thinks I just think its real funny we are talking about finley who’s behind jefferson dissapointment they don’t eben want ,Mason is ok not good but ok and can hit a set shot,gearge hill who’s ok,kinda stupid to me while an actual young super athletic WHO NEVER HAD A CHANCE is playing good ball for another team,just ironic that’s all
by reggie_35 on Mar 1, 2010 11:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
21 points for a team that got blown out by 30+
I’m so amazed.
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
are you ready to see the Wallace "bros"
Sheed and Ben will lock arms again
Pistons ROLL tomorrow night
looking forward to the whining.
Charity Dives
Charity Dives are a new Celtic specialty you know
it’s cool to “spread the wealth” around your bro’s in the league
know what i’m sayin homes
i wonder if I will ever hear Tommy shout
I LOVE THIS TEEAAMM !!!
again.
somehow i doubt it
Paul shouldn’t play. It’s not worth it.
He says he's ok
I don’t see why not. He has to come back some time, man.
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
Quick question is garbage time when we give up double digit leads and commence to get our heads kicked in ,in the second half of games where Doc takes out the players who are pkaying good and plays the ones that aren’t at all for the rest of the game with no substitutions,was that the garbage time or which .I’m lost..also good to see Leon play well too
by reggie_35 on Mar 1, 2010 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Clearly has offensive game, but...
absolutely no D what so ever. I thought he was going to get benched after allowing lebron to beat him down the court three straight times for dunks in the 2nd qtr, even off made baskets, not rebound outlets. That’s just not paying attention. I stopped watching when Cleveland went up 30.
Yea that was all his fault,are you nay sayers so hell bent on not being wrong when you clearly are that you can’t just be quiet refrain from continually putting foot in mouth and give the man his due,and btw on espn.com billy was in fact player of the game for the knicks
by reggie_35 on Mar 1, 2010 11:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
say what?
Bent on being wrong about what? We didn’t trade Billy or say he sucked. I think we just have realistic expectations of the player Billy Walker will become. He’s not the worst player, but he’s not even Ryan Gomes. I think most of us would admit he had a good game tonight but the overreaction to it is funny. People where just aching to throw out the Fire Doc and Danny chants (not saying you were).
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 2, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Walker is still younger than Gomes was on the day Gomes was drafted.
And Walker lost significant time to injuries.
Maybe not yourself but yea there are and were plenty if people on here say he was garbage waste of time trash horrible,I am realistic I think he would have been great used in our system giving us 10 to 15 a night and learning the game on the court from paul ray and kg.and I have no delusion on him being an all star but maybe who knows but who was the last person on this team to come off the bench and have 21 just a question and I believe a legit one..and I don’t care if we were playing the washington generals just let me know who that was and when
by reggie_35 on Mar 2, 2010 12:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sheed
Sheed has a few times this year and Eddie may have but not sure.
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Offense
I don’t think Doc had an issue with his offense. I think Walker was a defense reliability
by overthebackboardooh on Mar 2, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
'Defense reliability'
Hahaha a great new phrase to describe Bill Walker…
by rickyfan3.0... on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
The "reply" button allows you to thread your comments with those to which you respond.
The software is good.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 2, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
F Doc that’s all that comes out his mouth even when we played great defense ,I don’t wanna hear about what doc thinks,I think he needs to coach but he has no clue how to do that so I’m gonna treat him the way he treated Billy like he don’t exist,or baby before kg and powe went down like a fat cry baby who don’t exist,or like ryan gomes before paul got hurt in 06 like a really good player who don’t exist ..yea that sums up my year F doc
by reggie_35 on Mar 2, 2010 12:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That’s because I am jesse,it because I am
by reggie_35 on Mar 2, 2010 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What’s wrong with jr anyway heard sumthin about a knee
by reggie_35 on Mar 2, 2010 12:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The apocalypse is definitely upon us
Stop the presses, Bill Walker scored 21 pts! Ha! The sun shines on a dog’s behind every now and then, so what.
If Walker is the answer to any question, I’d hate to think what the question is.
by KG's Knee on Mar 2, 2010 12:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dunk Champion in practice? <
Oh wait, that’s Giddens.
N/m. 8 )
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Walker can play...
Expect his offensive game to continue to shine as he gets more and more oportunity – as soon as Scal and Tony are gone this summer I expect Ainge to make a solid offer to Walker – he never wanted him gone…
can only offer Walker minimum if DA wants him back
Don’t care how well he played tonight, he doesn’t deserve the MLE.
I think the most frustrating part of this...
is that we’ve needed a 2 or 3 to take some minutes all year…. it’s ridiculous when we had tony allen playing minutes at the three…. oh well, who knows…
I did watch this game
because I wanted to see how Leon Powe was progressing (8pts 4 reb in 16 minutes, lots of energy, ran the floor, wicked low post spin move that many with two good knees would risk getting screwed into the floor if attempted).
Walker was relatively competitive, trying at least to get a hand up on shooters, but there was one play that had me shaking mu head. Early in the game, Walker was on offense on the left wing, with LeBron covering him, positioned a few feet lower that BW. There was a turnover up top, with Mo Williams running the other way with the ball. All of a sudden, LBJ comes out of nowhere and fills the right lane for a wide open slam dunk.
I reran the play to see what happened to Walker, who would have been closer to the Cavs basket when the TO occured and should have been at least int he picture when LBJ caught the pass from MO. Walker was jogging over halfcourt at a Rasheed-like pace when LeBron was throwing it down. What a dog. I know the Knicks don’t stress defense, but how good would it look to GMs if BW was always hustling on this Knicks team? He’d stand out like BBD at a anorexia support group.
Bill Walker, you’ve been sitting on NBA benches for the better part of two seasons now. You should have plenty of energy stored up to run hard all the time, and to run at the same pace toward your basket as toward your opponent’s hoop. I’ve been a friend of Bill W and think he’s an NBA rotation player on the right team, but he needs to make the best of this 25 game tryout with the Knicks.
Why needs Billy?
Nate Robinson as a Celtic so far…
FG% : .385
3-PT% : 250
FT% : .500
sample size?
C’mon, T18, I know you’re better than that.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 2, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Bringing the kids along is not Doc’s strong suit. It’ll be this team’s downfall in the next 5 years. Back to lottery-ville.
I specializes in grammar fail.
And if the team wins the lottery, and gets great picks...
… we can rely on Doc to sit them at the end of the bench and play his retirement-home players till they drop dead before he calls on those lottery picks.
Come to Sunny Boston – The Rookie Graveyard Of The NBA.
More than a few seem ready to believe that when the Celtics had a bad team and Doc almost had to play the young guys Danny was a genius and picked only diamonds in the rough however late the pick; but now that they have a contending team and Doc doesn’t have to play the young guys Danny has suddenly become a draft incompetent and laughingstock—unable to identify talent no matter how hard he tries.
So where's Pruitt?
Heck, where’s Hudson? Hey, I can tell ya that!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2010-02-28-1082925229_x.htm
Back in the D-League!
Just saying.
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes -- the young guys who have left the Celtics have all turned into stars
Just look at what all of these guys are doing lighting up the league. If they had young guys who were real players, they might be developed by Doc. But they have not so there is nothing to develop.
Y'all need to stop asking this (ridiculous) question
There are only FOUR guys that we’re talking about, anyway. Of them, Pruitt and JR are never gonna amount to anything. So we’re talking about Lester and Billy, and that’s all. And those two questions remain unanswered… not enough time has passed since their BURIAL in Boston to know whether or not some other coach will be able to resurrect them, or not.
Sunny Boston – Home of the Rookie Living Dead
Depressing
I was very sorry to see him included in the Nate deal. I do believe that Danny got beat on that one by the inclusion of Walker. I think a key fact is that he is only 22. The kid seemed to have a toughness that can translate into good D if he’s developed properly. I could see in the few minutes he got that OBryant was a bust, but Walker was a rookie with promise who Danny scooped. I thought he had more promise than Giddens.
I’m still with Danny’s belief that Leon’s odds for staying on the court are low. I do agree with the opinion, Brickowski’s I think, that giving him the 15th roster spot and a small guaranteed contract was not a big deal given the kid’s heart. But I’m skeptical that his knee will hold up.
if giddens were healthy and in the game
he would have scored 21 also. I do wish we had kept walker because I think he’s as good as anyone we’re trying to sign right now but danny and doc obviously felt he was expendable. Some day I’d like to hear why they gave up on giddens and walker after telling us at the beginning of the season how they were going to contribute this year. I’d read a lot in the past week or so by Bulpett and others how Doc isn’t to blame and it’s all on the players but Doc is the same coach who lost 18 in a row and is also the same guy who got canned in Orlando after they started the season losing 12 or 13 in a row so I’m not buying the argument that there aren’t some major holes in Doc’s coaching ability. The issue about whether he can develop young guys will always be there. So far his track record is much better with young big men than it is with guards and wing players and one could argue that CLifford Ray should get the credit for developing Leon,Al,Perk and Baby. Maybe it’s time for Sheed to go to the Cliford Ray acadamy.
Giddens wouldn’t have done what Walker did. He’s not as good. That seemed clear even from the brief glimpse I got of both of them whn they were on the Celts. Walker might not make it but he has a solid chance. I don’t believe Giddens has a chance.
by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Nobody really CARES
It’s CelticsBlog… if we’re not arguing, we check our pulses
Gerald Green scored 33 @ Atlanta 04/10/07
I wanted us to keep Bill Walker badly … but the above info makes me feel better.
So let’s resign both Gerald and Bill and take it from there!
Almost forgot the stellar career of Gerald
Thanks for reminding me. I cannot believe how Doc wasted all of this talent on the bench!
Celtics Draft History
At first, I was one of the ones who thought Doc doesn’t give enough time to the young players. But after reading arguments from posters like vinnie and looking at the C’s draft history, I am swinging the other way on this one.
Celtics Draft History - Comment
You need only look at the success stories that were not Doc’s making:
Al Jefferson…who Doc kept saying “I don’t know how he does it”. Maybe Big Al was freaking good.
Gomes…who Doc had him CD DNP too many times and he finally got to shine when an injury allowed him on the court not Doc. Anyone who watched Gomes play @ PC knew was a talented player.
Powe…Doc never acknowledged his abilities. He was another player who was so instrumental in taking charges and just plain aggressive for rebounds.
Rondo…do you remember his first year he was relegated to the bench and saw limited time behind All Pro Sebastian Telfair. Oh ya and Delonte was also disrespected and do you think he is instrumental in the Cavs present success?
I won’t even talk about Walker but he was our only young player around that looked like he could contribute on both ends.
You can add Perk and Big Baby to that list too
How many years did we sit Perk for? Five?
by Fred Roberts on Mar 2, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. Don't acknowledge, reward and keep your aggressive rebounder
…and don’t be surprised that your remaining team doesn’t make rebounding a priority.
The Patriots coaches are of the mind that if you give them a young player with the right tools
…they can make something worthwhile of him.
Celtics fans are of the mind that if a rookie comes in, sits, and is jerked around for 2 years that he doesn’t develop is proof that he wasn’t any good to start with.
So Pruitt and Hudson
Not being NBA teams, but only a D-League ones right now, proves Doc’s incompetence, correct?
by Tai on Mar 2, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Hudson's a rookie
so it’s understandable for him. And Pruitt ruined his own career with his stupid DUI and passive demeanor.
This is a kick in the balls...
Getting rid of very young and athletic guy like Walker with infinite potential was insane. Now are the Celtics going to look for another terrible D-league player like Landry to try to help get banner 18? DUMB, DUMB, and DUMB.
I didn't know Bill Walker's potential talents included
being able to restore Pierce, KG and the rest of the crew to full health.
Because other than that, I feel pretty good about the difference between Bill Walker and Marcus Landry not equating to the difference between title 18 and playoff elimination.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 2, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
walker is a player ?
i think he is getting some playing time now cause the knicks are going nowhere . i think he has some talent but there was no playing time for him on a veteran team thats trying to make a title run players like god bless his soul reggie lewis did,nt get playing time until bird and the rest of the big three were gone . oh yeah marcus landry is really working out eh.
























