Shelden Pushing Big Baby
by Jeff Clark on Mar 18, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
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"He's been great all year. Once he stopped playing, he never stopped working. And we kinda alerted the other bigs, if you're not getting the job done, we'll go with Shelden. If he's not, we'll go back to you, but I think right now, with our team, it's a good place for all them to be in. I thought it was good a few years ago with Leon [Powe] and [Glen Davis]. I thought it brought a sense of urgency that, other guys want to play. That's a good thing for our team. We kinda fell into it, but it's great that Shelden is there and he wants your minutes."
I agree with Red's Army that this is probably mostly directed at Glen Davis. Both have their strong points, and Doc sounds like he might start to platoon them like he did with Leon and Glen. But who would you want to see play more minutes?
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They both have their ups and downs, but I'd go with Davis.
Both of them are great rebounders, Shelden has the edge except on offense which is a tie.
Glen has soft hands and I’m wondering how Shelden walks around town with those bricks by his side…
I trust Davis’s jump shot more then I trust Williams’s
I think everyone just likes change, and hate Glen Davis.
It depends on what you want.
If its defense then go with Shelden. If offense, go with Baby. I still think Baby is the better overall player. I love his hustle on the offensive boards. If only he could jump…
If someone is gonna lose minutes it should be Wallace, Davis is playing hard if nothing else, Wallace is just floating around half the time.
by jackscompletelackofsurprise on Mar 18, 2010 10:32 PM EDT reply actions
THANK YOU!!!!
I was waiting for someone to say that! The answer to the question is BOTH
by PerfectStorm on Mar 19, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely Sheldon
He has earned it, and has shown himself to be more mature and more productive.
Shledon
Glen Davis annoys me when he’s out there. Sure he hustles the whole time he’s on the court, but so does Sheldon, and Sheldon does it with a more physical presence. To tell you the truth I was totally surprised with how many minutes he lost when Davis got back.
I would take Williams down low over Baby in a heartbeat. Offensively and defensively. I just really don’t enjoy seeing Baby on the court that much over Williams.
Both
I think playing them off against each other is the best way to get hustle out of all the bigs. Sheed and Perk included. Play the guy who wants to play the hardest that night. If someone is not bringing it, bring in the next guy. That’s the beauty of a long bench. Plus it throws other teams off. That won’t know who to plan for. Like they did with Baby and Powe for two years. That’s how Powe surprised the Lakers in the finals. They never planed on him. Go Bench!
DOC RIVERS..
DOUBLE TALK.. Yes, this is the typical Doc Rivers.. He says nice things about his player but he doesn’t play him.. Since the start of the season, Williams has been playing good contributing quite well in the second unit despite limited playing time.. The C’s were winning.. However, after his injury BBD got back to the rotation (Williams warmed the bench) & the C’s started to lose games.. Yes, Doc I’m sick & tired of you!!!
i would like em both on the court at the same time
with nate pierce and ray offensive rebound for the 3 !!!!!!
These Poll Results Are Pretty Ridiculous
The fan base is overreacting and overthinking the situation. Baby’s the better player and needs more minutes. Shelden’s hustle on the floor and conduct off the floor are both admirable, but Baby’s better and it’s not close.
Poll Results mean something
Quite frankly I think Sheldon is the better player for this team. Just because you may not agree, does not mean people are stupid or overreacting. Davis definitely does not need MORE minutes.. he’s been getting a lot already.
by TomHamilton30 on Mar 19, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's Compare
Rebounding – Stats have shown that Baby is superior. He’s been a huge energy boost for the team on the offensive boards. Just compare their team rebounding stats on 82games.com.
Offensive Skills – Baby’s the more dynamic offensive player. He’s can spread the floor a bit with his shot unlike Sheldon. Baby has a lot of trouble finishing but happens to be going through a particularly poor stretch now. Baby has a post game to speak of but Sheldon can really only grab garbage points. Sheldon can struggle himself finishing from time to time but gets the slight edge in that department. In all other offensive facets Baby has the clear edge.
Post Defense – Baby has been known to use his leverage to stop guys like Duncan and Shaq who are starter might even have trouble with. Don’t know that that can be said for Sheldon.
Help Defense – Baby’s a great charge-taker. Seems to always be in the right place in the team’s defensive scheme. Sheldon is average in this area and Baby is easily above average.
I don’t see how much of that can be argued.
"I don’t see how much of that can be argued."
Rebounding – Davis may be a better offensive rebounds, but he is pretty bad on the defensive boards. We give up too many offensive boards as a team which lead to second chance points. Davis is a good offensive rebounder but he is a terrible finisher and doesn’t like to kick it out. He is shooting a whopping 43% from the field, and 64% from the free throw line.
Offensive Skills – Baby is more “dynamic” but he does a lot of things just okay. He gets blocked too much and doesn’t share the ball once he’s made up his mind. What makes things worse is that Sheed doesn’t play enough inside so we have two bigs that don’t play under the basket. While Sheldon is limited offensively he does what we need him him to do, grab boards and make easy dunks. He is shooting 51% versus Baby’s 43%.
Post Defense – I agree that we need Davis against Shaq and Howard. Other than that neither one is more than an average defender and they both work hard.
Help Defense – Big Baby is great a taking charges but is defensive positioning isn’t good.
Bottom line here is they both offer something different. Personally I feel that Baby tries to do too much and that he doesn’t have the length (or leap) to play the power forward position
by TripleThreat on Mar 20, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not that unbelievable really.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Shelden
I voted for Shelden, but his minutes should not come from BBD. Both should get more or less the same amount of PT.
Call it depth and match up versatility
Two different players for two different situations. Baby is more talented but more emotional and tends to make bad decisions. Shelden Williams is more cerebral, knows his limits and takes his time, but he is a liability on offense.
On the defensive end, it all comes down to who they will be guarding, or what kind of matchup Rasheed will have. If Rasheed plays the 5. I think Baby will be the better 4.
If Sheed plays the 4, Shelden will be the better 5.
Why not Sheed?
Why does this relate to Davis? He has played hard for weeks now. Sheed has stunk up the joint all season, and Doc just keeps trotting him out there. It is a joke and it is why Doc’s message I am sure falls on deaf ears. He says these things that makes you think he is capable of making adjustments, but he absolutely is not. This is the same guy who said he needed cut down on Ray’s minutes and play Bill Walker more. Then never did he give Walker any of those minutes. Doc is set in his ways, he defers to his veterans. He may play Shelden over Davis, he has no problem sitting Davis. But sitting Sheed, a veteran, who has given terrible efforts more often than not – Doc will never do that.
For my money, i'll take the third option:
Neither. Just like Powe and Baby shared the minutes to great effect, Shelden and Baby will benefit from the competition, and the C,s will benefit from the committee approach.
by Hal Jordan on Mar 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah exactly the poll
was created as another bbd vs powe to get more page views and clicks. Pretty sad actually.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Tricky I thought that quote
was from someone within Boston’s organization. lol
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
although those numbers are so crazy
that it almost is embarrassing.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
glen davis is embarrassing
…..to himself. mentally weak, not especially saavy on the court, overweight, and needs a hero to mentor him. what a waste of talent. I thought for sure after his playoff run, he was coming into his own—-what a dissappointment. earl boykins can get more shots off in the paint than this guy: but booooy he hustles.
malcontents....the lot of you
you really don't like him, huh
Kevin Garnett had a mentor who sits behind the bench every single night.
What games are Baby Bashers Watching?
Davis has been the one hustler on court in many games. I agree w casperian re the poll. Davis vs Powe was a good discussion. Davis vs Williams is not.
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