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Are We Back?

Things are starting to look good for the boys in green and people are starting to notice.  Is this the team we've all been waiting for?  We can only hope.

Are the Celtics "back"? - ProBasketballTalk - Basketball - NBC Sports

It's been four games since the Cavaliers outran the Boston Celtics, since the "When are they going to turn it on?" panic button hit its zenith. Four games. Four wins. The last two actually matter, road games against two Texas teams, including a come from behind win over a Mavericks team at full strength Saturday night. The Celtics said that they were just "bored" and that they still hadn't really begun to play. The question now is, are we seeing the "real" Celtics? 

Finally coming into their own - The Boston Globe

So . . . this is the team we have longed to see. The Celtics who are the aggressors, who don’t blame fatigue and injury, and who relish the tougher parts of their schedule. Consecutive games at Houston and Dallas are a difficult stretch for any NBA team but the Celtics spent the past two nights sending a clear message to the rest of the league. They have a lot of basketball left and there are 13 games before the playoffs to tighten up the weaknesses.

Old Celtics Beat Mavericks: 102-93 - Celtics Central - Connecticut News

For a team that has been called old and has looked old for parts of this season, old again is the theme as in…they looked like the old Celtics. You know, the Celtics that comeback and win games in the 4th quarter against tough teams with a combination of good defense and offense. They came back from 7 down in the 4th quarter to beat the Dallas Mavericks, a team that had won 14 of their last 15 games, and are now being considered a legitimate threat in the west.

Green Street » Fast Break: Celtics-Mavericks

Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo combined for 70 points on 26-for-45 shooting, 16 rebounds and 14 assists. It was the Celtics’ fourth straight win and their fifth in the last six games. It was also their most significant win since beating the Lakers and Portland back-to-back in February

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seems so

3 areas of minor concern are Daniels play,Nate in halfcourt and KG back to back…..come playoffs Finley plays more,Rondo plays 40+mins and there are no back to backs…problem solved

by Motown on Mar 21, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

All true, except...

I can’t see Finley taking any of Daniels’ minutes in the postseason. Do you think Doc would play Finley over Daniels?

by Greg Payne on Mar 21, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

one of their better games. every time i see big baby, i think what a great football player he would be. he’s not so hot at bball, but his energy effects this team in a good way. he is hustling but out of control, and the wild situations he gets into must stimulate the geezers. i was ready to throw perk under the bus in the 1st period, but he woke up and played a solid game. pp has a way to go but his warrior spirit seems to have thawed out and decided to show itself. ray is shooting daggers again. i will feel better about kg, tho i feel he is doing great, when i see some blocked shots. the blocked shot or lack of seems to be the hallmark to me og how kg’s legs are performing.

by nazzbo on Mar 21, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

blocked shots are highly situational and those sitations are too infrequent.

to be very good status measurements. The numbers are too small and stochastic.

Better measures of of how his legs feel would be shooting percentage and rebounding percentage. Both are known to go up & down with rest (or lack of) for all players.

Both are looking very solid right now, compared to his career averages and more importantly compared to 2007-2008 (I say that’s more important because that year represents a healthy, productive KG playing within this same system – so it is a good comparison point).

by mmmmm on Mar 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not dominating yet, but

Getting closer, looking healthy, playing team ball. I think we are aiming to peak at the right time, and I am very happy about that. I feel vindicated in saying that we definitely have a chance to advance throughout the playoffs….as good a chance as anyone. I do not think that Cleveland has won the East yet, or that the Lakers have won the championship! Good work Doc and team, in staying focused and not letting the hype get to you. I am so grateful that we are not in “rebuilding” mode, and hope that we won’t tear the team apart to “rebuild” next year either. Adding and tweaking are fine.

I love how the Celts have rediscovered “team” ball and UBUNTU!

by thirstyboots18 on Mar 21, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Things Are Never As Bad As They Seem, Or As Good As They Seem

The Celtics played very well— Rondo was outstanding during the last six minutes—but Caron Butler missed alot of shots, too. We’ll just have to see if the Celtics can continue to play well against good teams.

by Brickowski on Mar 21, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I recall Butler missing one open jumpshot, and it happens to the best of them. The rest were contested jumpshots, great D by the C’s. You are right that we have to keep an even keel and not get too high or low, but that was truly a fantastic win for the C’s, especially considering it was the 2nd end of a back to back.

by misterx2day on Mar 21, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your are right Brickowski, that things are never as bad as they seem or as good as they seem...

BUT YOU ARE NOT ONE TO TALK… you gave up on this team on Friday November 20th when we lost to the Magic against the Magic 83-78… You know nothing about things being as bad as they seem or as good as they seem… All you ever do is talk negative about this team. Even in this post bringing down peoples hopes (even though you are right that things are never as bad as they seem or as good as they seem… BUT TO YOU THEY ALWAYS SEEM BAD… I DON’T GET?…If you are a Celtics fan why did you give up on them three and a half weeks into the season.

by Mike-Dub on Mar 22, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think the whole ‘bored’ thing is completely overstated and more likely just smoke.

The facts are simple: The team endured a boat-load of injuries, with 20 games played with at least one of the Big 3 missing and a whole lot more with their first level subs missing (Daniels, BBD, etc.).

Until this last stretch of games, they weren’t healthy and were not getting any practice or game time with stable rotations. The result was predictable: inconsistent and sloppy play.

Now, the team is healthier and the 5-man units Doc is putting on the floor are stable and with better, more complementary roles (Finley in particular fills a void on the second team). So naturally the play is getting better and more consistent.

by mmmmm on Mar 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. Davis

Glen seems to be looking a little more like the guy we saw last year in the playoffs…wonder if his thumb was more of a problem than he let on…The rotation on D is what jumps out at me over the last couple of games..KG must be feeling better or he’s adjusted to the brace, either way it’s a good sign…btw…welcome back #34

by Fastbreak1 on Mar 21, 2010 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

My take

They had a long stretch of bad and not so good games and many of us said the window was closed. Now, they have played well in 4 straight games. Not a big enough sample for me to say they have turned it around completely and are back. If they keep this level of play up for 10-15 games, then I think we can seriously consider them being back. Even then, I don’t think they have the horses to win the eastern conference, but they will certainly make it interesting.

As for Glen Davis, he continues to have the most hustle on the team and the least basketball smarts or ability.

by vinnie on Mar 21, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree...

Davis is a highly intelligent player with good ability.

by B-ball on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Constantly going up against two, three or four guys

and constantly getting the ball slammed back in his face is not the sign of an intelligent player. There is a reason he leads the world in percentage of shots getting blocked this year. I love his hustle, don’t get me wrong, and it can be contagious, but I wish he was smarter with the ball after he gets the rebound.

by vinnie on Mar 21, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just to add a little more detail

28 percent of the shots he takes close to the rim are blocked.

by vinnie on Mar 21, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha however

He did score on 3 guys after grabbing an off. rebound last night. I completely understand your point, though haha. Just had to throw that one in there.

by Greg Payne on Mar 21, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that was very impressive

I’ve been on Baby’s case too, esp after that once-in-a-lifetime play where he was surrounded by all FIVE opponents… all gathered around him under their basket… something I’ve never seen before… and he still tried to score, and was, of course stuffed.

But have to admit, that score vs. 3 guys was impressive. He used his body the right way that time, made space, and went up. Did it vs. 2 guys too, another time. So… props to him for a job well done last night. He’s a weird player… one of a kind in the NBA… good and bad. If he learns to dump the bad…..

by DRJ1 on Mar 21, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Closing

One promising thing is that when the rockets and Mavs made their run, the Celts put their foot to the metal. We werent seeing that before. And was the sub-500 group, they got in front and stayed there. Keep it up.

re Cleveland. The past 2 seasons they’ve been shown to be front runners who stumbled in the playoffs. Think they’ve changed?

by Tenacious D on Mar 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Excellent assessment

The team is back to competitive with a top-5 team in the league, and is looking MUCH better as Pierce regains mobility and form.

The Cavs history of relying on LeBron exclusively at the end of close games combined with Mike Brown’s “deer in the headlights” stlye may negate their improvement overall in the real season…

by nba is the worst on Mar 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only in the interest of fairness (and excuse me if I'm nitpicking here, TD)

I’d say only last year qualifies for “front runners who stumbled in the playoffs” status.

In 2008, they were the four seed and pushed the best team in basketball to a seventh game that went down to the wire.

I do think Cleveland will be at their most prepared for a playoff run this season. And I think that right this very second, they are better than the Celtics. But I also still very much believe that otherwise could be the case come April or May.

-sw

Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.

Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw

by Steve Weinman on Mar 21, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i do think cleveland has changed

they’ve addressed their main weakness – having a strong inside presence to counter the size and strength of orlando and LA. that’s why they went and got shaq and so far it’s worked. they allow fewer points in the paint than any team in the NBA and shaq can guard howard 1 on 1. neither of those things were true last year.

by hooray on Mar 21, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are we back.....

So far so good but time will tell for sure.

It depends if the starting unit can continue to get healthy and stay healthy and contribute at a high level.
If the big starting 5 can get into a groove and produce it will give us a great chance to make a run this year.

It also depends on the contributions of our rejuvenated bench.

Robinson and Finley look so far look like great pick ups.
If Baby and Daniels can step it up their games and Rasheed continues to get in the low post it will make a big difference also with our success.

Also I hope Doc does not bury TA on the bench as we will need his aggressiveness and athleticism on the court especially come playoff time to help the cause.

by fordescort on Mar 21, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

More than anything else...

The Celts “exposed” the Mavs as possibly being “fraudulent”.

Despite their very impressive record, Dallas ranks 14th in points allowed, 12th in points scored.

Dallas lost to NY by 34 points, one week earlier, at home.

Still, the Celts did look good….I would love to see my many earlier predictions blow up in my face!!!

by Title 18 on Mar 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Too bad that Pierce guys is washed up, eh?

It’s funny how much better this team is when he is looking for his shot more often. I think it says a lot about him as a player and a teammate that he looks to set up his teammates so often—that is, it says he’s the anti-Kobe—but the team is much better served by his being “selfish.” A couple weeks ago, either DRJ1 or mmmmm pointed out that Pierce should be taking 18 shots a night. Well, he’s gotten there the last few games and look at the results.

That said, unlike most I don’t think of Dallas as a real contender. I like the win, don’t get me wrong, but the teams in the west with a shot are LA, Denver, Utah, and (if Parker’s healthy and Ginobli continues to play as well as he has the last couple weeks) San Antonio. So I’m looking more at Monday’s game as a sort of barometer.

by Ersatz on Mar 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Meanwhile

Milwaukee won in Denver last night. Can we please get that third seed and avoid them in the first round. Please?

by Ersatz on Mar 21, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Milwaukee has been a an unbelievable role lately. That would be a tough matchup for us. We also still have two more regular season meetings with them, so we’ll really need to show more against them in case we do end up 4th.

by KG's Knee on Mar 21, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Success Against Certain Teams

Houston and Dallas, while great wins on the road do not reflect the kind of teams the Cs struggle against. Don’t get me wrong, I was pumped and am pumped to see the Celtics win, but I also saw the second unit continue to struggle; as well as the team go through periods where they fall in love with outside shots. I’m also concerned about the athleticism aspect. The more athletic teams still create problems.

I do agree that for this team to really be successful in the playoffs, we have to be lucky with the seeds.

by amenhotep04 on Mar 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

well...

minus a potentail 1st round matcup with a young “athletic” team being possible, none of the real contenders fit this prototype. We will probably have to get past Orl then Cle to reach the finals, and I think we still matchup well against those two.

by KG's Knee on Mar 21, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

As long as Cleveland plays Shaq we definitely do better. Orlando is a toss us. Depends upon which team shows up to play on any given night. I definitely don’t want to see Atlanta until next year. From the West, the only team I see a problem with is the Lakers.

by amenhotep04 on Mar 21, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pierce

While one man can’t alone win in this league, you do need a go to scorer. Pierce is that guy for us. It is no coincidence that the Celtics improved play over the last few games coincides with Pierce’s improved play.

KG is the defensive leader and Pierce is the offensive leader. Both need to be on top of thier games if we are to have a chance. Overall we seem to be headed in the right direction and I hope this trend continues. It makes me still hold out hope we can get that 18th banner.

by KG's Knee on Mar 21, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Are we back ??? Here is what know this morning

10.) My coffee taste better the next morning when we win. Sweet and Strong

9.) Paul Pierce seems to have drank Rondo’s Red Bull – he looked like the old (young) PP. Huge difference in guarding the Celtics when he slashes to the basket and stays aggressive.

8.) Finley is a solid smart veteran – better than I thought he would be. I like him.

7.) Ray Allen shoots, hustles, and plays his heart out every single night – he never slacks off his game – ever.

6.) Sheed on the other hand is one player who keeps me from saying “we’re back” because he never showed up in the first place.

5.) Rondo is a great point guard…..totally enamored with his athletic ability. Good decisions on a consistent basis.

4.) Quisy seems “average” most nights…I would like me some Tony Allen on occasion but Quisy is OK

3.) The inbound plays to PP (there are like three variations) are great….they work every time.

2.) KG still looks hobbled but I love how he was in the paint more last night. Good work.

1.) Anytime you can go to Texas and dismantle 12 Rockets and then smoke a Cuban it never hurts to say “we’re back” but I prefer …………………..HOW YA LIKE ME NOW!!!!!! (Que the Music and the Monkey)

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 21, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

beautiful

: "Rip? Oh, he was funny, man. He said, ‘Boston? Dang man, Boston?’ I said, ‘Hey, you got to go with the flow.’"—F Rasheed Wallace, on the reaction of former Detroit teammate Rip Hamilton to his signing with the Celtics

by NEFOOL on Mar 21, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this rebounding effort is for real

The last 4 games we were even or better on the boards than our opponents.
Just 5 games ago when we would lose bad to nets and the like, we would get dominated on the boards. I dont know if there is a correlation to be beating badly in the rebounding game to the battle of the score of the game, but at any rate it is awesome to see PP and Rondo rebounding once again and the Celtics getting W’s.

by perk on Mar 21, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Never to high, never to low

Is how I have always felt after regular season games, win or lose. Sure, you can definetly consider this a good win. It will only help to build momentum for the real season(playoffs). This attitude is also why I remain hopeful the C’s can still get it done. They never get too down after a loss, or too high after a win.

by KG's Knee on Mar 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Didnt mean to call out PP and Rondo on rebounding

They are two of the better rebounders at their positions and i respect that , so thats why i mentioned those two players, not to call them out or anything.

It was nice to see Rondo get 10 rebounds last nught. With that said i dont expect him to get 8-10 rebounds a game either but i didnt like the less than 1rpg prior to this winning streak during our last struggling streak. And PP nad a certain avg per game and during our lull before this streak he wasnt even coming close to pulling his self appointed load.

I love them both and want to see them both continue to pressure the boards and wreak havoc on the opponents game plan..

How can an opponent execute their offensive game plan when we got the board.

by perk on Mar 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

True KGs knee

Thats a good point, the team never gets too high or low, its us fans who expertise in that.

I guess its easy to sit in our armchairs and see that they were getting dominated on the boards and thats why we were getting blown out at home even.

Its another thing to get out on the court and get those rebounds. Rebounding is hard and tiring work ,not every player has it in him to go out their and get tired out on the blocks and get bruised up ,then have to sprint full speed to get back to where the ball went on the court., otherwise every team would have a guy with a 10rpg avg on their team and one or two more very close.

So the Celtics demeanor of not getting too high or too low but just going out there and doing whatever it takes , goes a long way in my book. Go Celtics

by perk on Mar 21, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think the Celtics’ current performance is on par with quasi-contenders like Dallas, Denver and Atlanta.

I think they still need to push on a little further to join the ranks of the Lakers, Magic and Cavaliers.

They are going in the right direction and making good progress though. A lot to like.

by Who on Mar 21, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

is unbutu back??

nice streak they are putting together and its been the big three that are leading the way now we are seeing the old celtics playing ball the way champions play they do not fear the cavs or the lakers because they know they match up well against each other anything can happen once you get in and they are not dead yet. finley was a good pickup and will help us out in the playoffs ..

by lohaus#54 on Mar 21, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Some of the comments about Davis today are weird. He is ALL over the glass and he is getting better at not getting blocked. Additiopnally PP has figured out that when Davis is ion the game he has a real shot at the rebound and so he hangs around waiting to pick up loose balls. Davis has almost totally changed his game this year to incorporate something we desperately need. I am very happy with him and his all out effort.

Also, yeah we don’t need Daniels so much for ball handling now and Finley truly replaces him. Finley is playing better than Daniels but we still need Marquis to come in and play hard d and slash. Finley is already playing his game Marquis seems disrupted somehow. In the playoffs we can hope Doc knows who to play…

Somone needs to get on KG about his position D. Otherwise he is looking better. I saw him get blown by twice yesterday but its less frequent. I just hope TT or someone can chew on him. He is getting rebounds and getting his hands up.

Hoping PP can look like he is 18 when we play Denver too.

Yep Ray never stopped trying and the stats suggest he’ll be fine when getting days off in between games.

RR is staying in front of his man the last two weeks…jumper looks better, ft % keeps going up..fingers crossed..

Sheed is just a train wreck on offense. His d is generally ok but sheesh.

by wahz on Mar 21, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess I'm an outlier

Everybody’s so careful to say that they did well BUT… but this, but that, buts all over the place. Sure it’s only been 4 games. Sure only one of them was against a good team. That’s not what I see. I’m looking at one thing only: THE CELTICS. Don’t care who they’re playing… ok, maybe a little… But the MAIN thing for me… the thing that puts a smile on my face and patience in my heart… is that they just played two GREAT games of basketball. They played the RIGHT WAY, the way they and VERY few others know how. Tight, terrific defense, and very aggressive, highly unselfish offense. And this wasn’t even their best; their best awaits the playoffs.

So what’s with all the hesitation and butt-covering? What, do you think they’re going to FORGET how to play if they don’t show it to you game after game? Huh??

For me it’s enough to know that: (1) everybody’s healthy, most especially Paul and KG – who were huge question marks until recently (this is more than half the battle already), (2) Sheed is showing signs of life, so it’s reasonable to believe he’s gonna throw that infamous switch of his, (3) the Big 4 (3+Rondo) are playing at or near their highest level; their skills are undiminished, by anything, and (4) the team as a whole is perfectly capable of playing both great defense and great offense.

With those factors true, I have NO DOUBT that they’re ready. Of COURSE there are tweaks, improvements, minor issues to work on, etc…. that process NEVER ends. The only thing that can stop Doc from saying “we gotta get better, we gotta get better”… is champagne.

So if they lean back for a game or two or three between now and the end of the season… who cares? What, these games MATTER all of a sudden? Of course not. If Doc decides to experiment a little, if he decides to sit all our starters for a game, or if they just decide to be lazy for a night… so what? THESE GAMES DO NOT MATTER. The only thing that matters is that they’re ready. And they are. They don’t need to prove it endlessly.

Can they get far in the playoffs? Can they get to the Finals? Are you kidding? I’m thinking of getting Doc a new shirt already.

by DRJ1 on Mar 21, 2010 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I WANT TO SEE THEM BRING THIS FOCUS AT HOME - AND BEAT A PLAYOFF TEAM IN BOSTON

this – however – is the PERFECT time for the groove to be getting on track-

by CELTICZ4LIFE on Mar 21, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought

Last night was. At the very least, that’s what some people said.

I mean, how much you wanna bet that if we win in Utah, someone will say Denver at home will be our “true test?” And hey, if that happens, someone will probably say Cleveland!

How about this? This entire stretch till the end of the season is our true test. That’s 17 games. And how about how well they do for the rest of the season will determine whether they’re back on track?

At this point, putting our “true test” on one game sounds silly.

by Tai on Mar 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Utah will be a big test for this team, as I've originally stated.

The ‘test’ is not only who their playing, but how do they respond playing quality opponents back to back. Its been a WHILE since Boston has beaten elite teams consecutively. Thus, this will be a HUGE test.

by thenation on Mar 21, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It had been a while since they had beaten an elite team

You’d have to go all the way back to Christmas against Orlando. I think they can and should beat Utah, but if they don’t, its not like they failed some big test. Dallas was a great win against a team that has evolved into an elite team. Beggars can’t be choosers, lets take it one step at a time.

by misterx2day on Mar 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, however...

Beating elite teams consecutively is an even bigger test. I agree that beating the Mavs was huge, but does this team have enough endurance and legs to do again soon after? This is what separates the good from the elite. Boston has not done this.

by thenation on Mar 21, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah… cause Atlanta has eliminate Boston so many times before…. and has a history of big wins in the playoffs…

by David Henderson on Mar 21, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At last!

The Celtics played very well. Great game for PP and RR. It is wonderful to see Paul attacking the rim and Rajon scoring in the crunch time. However, it is a little bit too early for me to say that we are back, though we are definitively on the right tracks. 4 wins in a row – I like it very much. Keep it going guys!

by Sebal on Mar 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's get this clear

This team is back on track. They are getting healthy, something they haven’t been all season. Seriously, how many games have we had this team as healthy as they are right now? What, one, two, that is about it. If you look at it, PP has been hampered by injuries the last month or more, KG has just started to look good since his last problem, BBD is now healthy and we have added a dynamic player in Nate. Why is everyone here questioning this group so much? I understand ‘guarded optimism’ and all but now is not the time for it.

by C'sFanDan on Mar 21, 2010 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

the c’s played a great game and as drj1 describes, the right way. that was heartwarming. i do believe, that the 1st team is following the right and enlightened path- move the ball- go for the rebound-move the feet on d. i would still like to see some consistency from perk, but he is improving. the second team seems to revolve around sheed who has not been consistent and that needs to improve. come on sheed-hustle like baby and get the lead out.

by nazzbo on Mar 21, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

if they can sustain this effort night in and night out

then yes, they’re back. if not, then they’re not. what we’ve seen lately is encouraging – that’s for sure.

by hooray on Mar 21, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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