Antoine Walker - Outside The Lines
"I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I led a very expensive lifestyle," Walker said. "I took care of my family. I was very generous to my family and my friends."
"He became addicted to gambling," she explained, "and he ran through millions taking care of more than 50 people who are nowhere to be found now that he needs the help."
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Did you watch it?
That’s not at all what I got from it. I don’t disagree with your point, but you should watch the clip because “using money to make friends” doesn’t really seem to be the point of what Toine was up to.
All that money. All that success.
One of the few players to win a college championship and NBA championship. All gone. He’s now become a pariah in the place that made him a star. He’s lost nearly everything, yet he still has to lose more. A lesson to never to take anything for granted.
I applaud AW for coming out and being honest.
It takes maturity to admit all this.
He JUST ADMITTED THAT HE HAS A GAMBLING ADDICTION!!!
DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE INTERVIEW?
If not, here’s a transcript of it :
A fool and his money are soon parted...
Walker is a fool…I`ll save my sympathies for those who truly deserve it!
Never judge a man before you walk in his shoes...
Until you have millions of dollars and a ‘rock star’ lifestyle, you wont know how you will act.
That doesn't change
How I hope I would act, or what the right way to act is… you might as well not ever have an opinion about any behavior if you have this attitude, since you never walk in anyone’s shoes.
Gambling addiction? Please. Society indulges these behaviors by excusing them – to society and the individual’s determent.
by Brendan on Mar 21, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what you're saying is...
…That Gambling is NOT an Addiction?
If it’s not, then what is it? What do you call someone who cannot control himself as far as Gambling goes? Is there another name for it ‘cause if it’s not addiction, what is it?
Read this :
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9906/18/gambling.addiction/
Sounds like an addiction to me, Brendan. Society doesn’t seem to feel the same way you do, apparently.
I didn't say its not an addition
I’m happy to say it is. Doesn’t justify the behavior. If I kill three people drunk driving, I should get your sympathy?
Gambling addiction is a choice either way. Don’t want to lose all your money, don’t go to casinos.
by Brendan on Mar 22, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it were that easy....
….then there’d be no husbands who waste away all of the family’s money for their “choice” at all.
There would be no Addiction to begin with if it was merely “a choice”. Fact is that once you start, it is extremely difficult to stop. Personally, I make sure this never happens for when I go to a casino in Atlantic City, I always keep whatever winnings I may earn on the side(or in another pocket) and continue playing either the same machine or go to a different machine using my “Casino Money” that I brought from home.
I don’t go to the BlackJack tables ‘cause for one : I don’t know the game.
But I’m straying from the point here….It doesn’t justify the behavior but why are you comparing someone who KILLS Three People drunk driving to someone who wrote bad checks? The only thing Toine did was kill his Financial status. Very Poor comparison, Brendan.
Title 18…you have a keyboard and an internet connection, yet you come off worse than “8” Antoine Walkers. Get a grip, learn how to act on a more-grand stage, and your credibility may begin to show its face. Until then, you’re a poorer version of what you make fun of. Ironic, much???
And, yes. I’ll say it. You’re a tool.
Hey scott...
You should’ve just called Title 18 a tool and be done with it. No need to elaborate any further than that he’s a Tool. Everyone realizes the rest of what you said without you saying it. lol. :)
Whoops. I used to frequent this board as much as any, yet I relented. I honestly didn’t realize he was such an easy target, up to this point, anyway. Regardless, I don’t like him. Peace.
Stay classy
So he can’t judge Walker based on living a foolish lifestyle and gambling away his fortune – but you can judge Title by his internet posts?
Umm...Yeah.
When it comes to demonstrating one’s character flaw, Title_18 is about as subtle as a jackhammer.
His posts show this. So yes, Brendan. You CAN judge Title by his internet posts.
Jeff said it above
but let’s try one more time: We don’t allow personal attacks on other members here.
Please cut that out.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 22, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You can make your point without calling anybody any names.
Please consider this your warning not to engage in the latter behavior again.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 22, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hope others learn from this...
You don’t need an entourage or your boys to be successful. Most of them are just hangers on looking for a free handout. Be smart and save some of that money. NBA careers don’t last a lifetime.
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
Transcript of the interview
Here it is once again for those like Title 18 and incoherent who have nothing better to do with their lives but sit behind a Computer Terminal, eat nachos, and surf the web looking for Porn :
Whoops!!!!
By the way, my bad on the link… It takes you to Page 2 of the Transcript.
Here is Page 1 :
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=5012096&pg=0
sorry.
Comin from a place where your supposed loved ones have little to nothing and you have excess ,your the only person to even graduate highschool in a lot of instances don’t judge if you don’t come from that, yea it is foolish but with best intentions,he was shining he wanted his people to shine and feel success as well.some times we do the wrong thing for the right reason. Coming from the projects where you have dp many close people so much poverty ,can’t say I wouldn’t do the same thing just a little smarter ,it says in the bible not to give to those who will sconder but those who will uplift themselves, sometimes that’s a hard depiction to make .I hope with all honesty he lands on his feet,because 99.9 percent of those people is never gonna return any favor
by reggie_35 on Mar 21, 2010 4:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
My deepest apologies to all the Antoine Walker lovers...
Now, do the “right thing”…send him all your cash!
Otherwise, continue being hypocrites,
By pretending...
…To feel so sorry for him, as well as pretending he`s not a fool.
And just how the hell would you know...
…who is pretending and who isn’t?
You don’t know us. And we don’t know you(and quite frankly, I don’t even WANT to know you).
Stop making judgements on our character and look toward yourself for a change.
Just who is the Hypocrite here?
What exactly have YOU done to be able to sit there on top of your High-Horse and say garbage like that regarding Antoine?
You are nothing special, Moron. You’re just another joe-shmoe like us….
My deepest apologies to all the "Morons" out there..
Calling Title 18 a Moron is an insult to all Morons everywhere.
I'm on your side BNTHIS...
I was asking Title 18 who who he was calling a hypocrite.
Folks, believe what you want, but walker is not a victim. I feel sorry for his tragedy of squandering millions, but at least he has his health.
by jurrasicearl on Mar 21, 2010 5:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
True...
HOWEVER, When is kicking-a-man-when-he’s-down going to stop, jurrasicearl? Okay….We’re jealous that he had all that money and are mocking him(some of us, not me) now that he squandered it all. Fine. The Fun’s over. He has a daughter to take care of…He’s got to get himself out of Debt-Hell(which we’re all familiar with).
When is the proper time to start showing at least SOME Sympathy, man? WHEN???? WHEN?
I dont think anybody's seeing Antoine as being a 'victim'
He is someone who has learned from his mistakes and I personally am rooting for him. This is allowed, right?
Actually...
I kind of see him as a victim ‘cause his Friends(more like Hanger-ons) weren’t there in the end to help him…..
I see him as a victim because if MJ never showed Walker the wonders of Gambling, He’d probably still be in the League right now. And speaking of which, WHERE THE HELL IS MJ RIGHT NOW?
You think he’d give Walker a break and let him into the Bobcats organizatin now that he’s become Majority owner?? He owes Antoine ‘cause he passed on his Addiction to someone who didn’t have the constant stream of money that MJ kept having come in day after day even when not playing….
Anyway, he’s a victim because the Current NCAA and NBA structure is very FLAWED. There should ALWAYS be someone to teach Players going into the NBA how to manage their money WISELY and to look out for people coming out of the woodwork asking for handouts….
Here I thought Walker was the world`s biggest clown...
For flushing $109 Million down the toilet.
I was wrong!
The real “clown title” belongs to BNTHIS…for calling Walker a “victim”!!!!
What? Aren`t you going to help out the poor “victim”?
Where is your compassion, hypocritical fanboy?
So let me get this straight....
Showing Compassion toward someone should equal giving the person MONEY?
I’m not allowed to feel bad for him?
And you’re saying I’m a Clown for showing compassion toward someone?
Then you are truly an a-hole, T18. I can’t believe that there are people like you out there who hide behind their computers, talk a bunch of shit, and not suffer any consequences……(on second thought, I CAN believe it…)
Of course...giving money to a destitute person shows great compassion!
BNTHIS…Don`t just talk about compassion, demonstrate it!
All you have to do is send him your “Welfare Check” for the month of April!
You`ll feel much better about yourself.
Well then!!! If that's how you feel....
WHY NOT PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, A-HOLE?
Why don’t you send HIM a “Donation”? Why don’t you “demonstrate” to me what it means to show compassion since you’re getting all uppity about it?
And you WOULD know what a "Welfare Check" is....
After all, how would pay for your boob job, you transvestite.
Why?
Because I do NOT have compassion for fools…FOOL!
The name-calling needs to stop, both of you.
Not only is it against our rules, neither of you are winning too many comedic style points either.
Enough, please.
Thanks.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 22, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
But we’ve won some, right?
I kid…I kid! :)
I’ll behave from now on, Steve. Sorry for turning this blog into an ESPN Messageboard.
By the way, I didn’t start this name-calling business between him and me. Title_18 did.
See the post where he calls me a “Clown” whereas I was stating my opinion. I should’ve handled it better, I know.
But still…..I don’t take too kindly to those who verbally attack me WITHOUT provocation.
But that’s alright, Steve. It’s over and done with. I just hope you’ve given him the same warning that you gave me.
Thanks
All pertinent parties have been contacted, and I trust we’ll be good to go forth from here.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 22, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No problems here, man.
By the way, have you been keeping track of Toine’s progress in Puerto Rico?
He’s having a nice career revival of sorts thus far. 14 and 10(shooting 48% from 2 and 32% from 3)
Title 18 is a little harsh but c'mon...
he’s more right than wrong. Antoine didn’t get his legs blown off in Iraq. Or work his fingers to the bone with nothing to show. He squandered over $100 million. You are what your record says you are, as the Tuna used to say, and Antoine is a loser. Illegitimate children, multiple Bentley’s, IOUs everywhere. Heck, I liked him as a Celtic. And to me it is sad (since I didn’t live in one of the millionaire’s tenements.) rather than angering. But Title 18 sees it hard,not wrong.
" Antoine is a loser"
These are some harsh words.
Yeah they are.
I would never call someone who is down on his luck “a loser” no matter how much money he had. I’m not that type of person….but it appears that Wildblu1 is and that’s very sad. :(
I think if one calls someone else a Loser, that person should look in the mirror….Just saying.
More right than wrong??
He can’t even give a half decent reason as to why everybody else are being hypocrites for showing a little sympathy for Antoine.
That's curious
Coming from someone whose only history here to my knowledge is personally attacking our members.
Why don’t you worry about the topic at hand and not taking potshots at our members?
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 22, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right.
I’ve made my point earlier but he just continues to spit in my face about it. I guess the only thing to do is just to ignore him.
A difference of opinion is a difference of opinion. No one is putting a gun to my head forcing me to agree with Title18 so I’ll just leave it at that.
Nice deflection, hypocrites!
I take it none of you will be sending Antoine your hard earned cash… not to mention offering him a room in your homes.
But, you`ll continue to “pretend” that you actually care about him.
Rooting for Antoine and caring for Antoine are two different things.
You’re a big boy, you should know that!
One thing that cannot be denied is that walker is a generous soul. Unfortunately, he spent too much on the wrong people, wrong things, and in the wrong places.
by jurrasicearl on Mar 21, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Generous fool
maybe. But pathetic and not sympathetic.
He’s no blind Oedipus and having his corpse burried in your country won’t bring you good fortune.
All his success was his own, all his failure is his own too. No one robbed him (well except that one time we know about). He gave away – directly to his friends and through gambling – a fortune. The Greeks used to call this hubris. Now they just call it “the current economic situation.”
huh?
How is he pathetic? Are you saying that “being kind and generous” is actually “being pathtetic”? What school did you learn that from?
A Blind Oedipus? Having his corpse buried in your country won’t bring you good fortune? What exactly does that mean, Brendan? Is that some kind of expression ’cause I can guarantee that it has gone over the heads of EVERYONE here.
Yes, His success was his own and his failure was his own, as well. And, to be precise, he got robbed TWICE. And yes, Walker exercised poor judgment in not knowing when to say when and when to recognize that his “friends” are not really his friends.
Gambling, however, I blame MJ more for this than Antoine. Of course, MJ didn’t put a gun to Toine’s head and forced him to rack up the debts but he planted the seed that would lead him to this. I remember reading somewhere that before hanging out with MJ, he wouldn’t even look twice at a poker/craps table. Meeting and hanging out with MJ had to be the worst thing that has ever happened to him, as it turns out(hindsight being 20/20 and all).
Antoine made a mess of things with his Gambling Addiction(because that’s what it is) but I’d be remiss if I didn’t believe that this road would not have been taken had he never met MJ.
And If someone bashes me for believing that, so be it. Life is full of What-if’s. Consider this one of them….
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