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Deja-Vu Averted

For 3 and a half quarters, this had the look and feel of the Nets game.  Then the Celtics somehow turned a 13 point deficit (with just 6 minutes left) into a win.

  • The Celtics played with no heart for the first three quarters.  They looked pathetic.
  • The Wizards were the ones that came out with the heart and energy that the Celtics had no answer for, ...until, you know, the last few minutes.
  • Who is Andre Blatche and how did he get the best of KG, ...until, you know, the last few minutes.
  • 8 blocked shots for the Wizards.  Eight!
  • We let them dominate the pace of the game for most of the game.  We can't do that.  Our transition D isn't good enough to keep up with a younger team.  We have to slow teams down and methodically pick them apart.  Run when there's an opportunity, but not because the other team is dictating the pace.
  • I think I've figured out how I feel about Davis - and it isn't anything really new.  He does pretty well ...for a guy his size.  That qualifier will never leave him.  He'll always be too short (and not athletic enough to overcome it).  So he'll always be fundamentally flawed.  Too bad, because he does have heart.
  • The Wizards showed a lot of heart, until they faced a charging rhino of a Celtics team.  Then they wilted.  That's just inexperience.  That won't happen against better teams.  But I'll still take it.
  • I was very emotional in this game.  Just really upset for most of the game, ...until, you know, the last few minutes.
  • Thank you Rondo.  Thank you Ray.  Thank you Celtics for finally waking up and doing what you should have done to begin with.

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Awesome comeback.

Inconsistent game, but a great finish at the end. Fun to watch.

by Greg Payne on Mar 7, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

First reaction?

The ending run was crazy!

Dutch Celtic Pride

by Nowee on Mar 7, 2010 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

If the refs ignore the rules

a team that deserves to lose can comeback to win…

Traveling, over the back, and the most obvious moving pick in history – Celts win!

by nba is the worst on Mar 8, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Again... Ray did NOT travel

Watch the replay before posting all this wrong information. Ray gathered the ball and took 2 steps… specifically permitted under the NBA’s new rule.

And fouls, picks are judgment calls which refs typically avoid at the ends of games.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Rasheed with another -7 for the night!

by Blackberry33 on Mar 7, 2010 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

He's not alone. The entire bench is negative tonight.

And of the starters, most would be negative if it weren’t for Ray and Rajon carrying the team back.

This game illustrates what an awesome guard combo they are.

by mmmmm on Mar 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The entire game, recapped:

Cs were BADLY outhustled and outplayed for 3.5 quarter, then flipped the switch and won a squeaker – thanks in large part to Ray, with help from everybody.

Note: KG may have an ugly line, but left little doubt tonight that he is physically back to at least 90% of his pre-injury self: running, jumping, moving, falling on the floor after loose balls… he had no problem with any of it.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

just shooting

KG was horrible at shooting – 0 for 7.

But he was very strong on the boards with 10 defensive rebounds! So I agree – it wasn’t physical.

He was just completely ‘off’ with his shot.

by mmmmm on Mar 7, 2010 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And 1?

that is what Andre Blatche got all night on KG

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair

He cooked up Perk quite a bit too.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 7, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

blatche was throwin up nothin but net

Yeah Kg coulda defended better, but this guy couldnt miss—-give the other guy props

malcontents....the lot of you

by dasandruler on Mar 8, 2010 3:11 AM EST up reply actions  

BBD fif not shoot well but his rebounds were great

by Blackberry33 on Mar 7, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions  

He still is having big time problems......

getting his shot off and getting blocked in the low post, which he must remedy.

He must either learn to muscle out his defenders to get his shots off, work on some fake moves or not take any low post shots periods when under defensive pressure.

by fordescort on Mar 7, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He got blocked four or five times tonight

Including on one jump shot in the lane. I love his hustle, but even Tommy commented tonight that his offfensive rebounds are a complete waste because the Celts get nothing out of them.

by vinnie on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah - I think 4 of McGee's 5 BS were all on Glen

Glen is the opposite of Perk – he NEEDs to take more time to gather and use his butt to MOVE the taller players away before he goes back up for the shot. That or he needs to pass the ball out of there.

The thing is – BBD had 6 offensive boards. We normally don’t get those – tonight there were more chances because we shot so horribly.

The Charlotte game we had only 3 offensive boards for the whole game and none until mop up time in the 4th.

So overall, I’m not really gonna worry too much about put-backs. Their nice, but not a priority.

by mmmmm on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

One was particularly annoying

When he went up with FOUR guys surrounding him, under the basket. I mean COME ON… time to realize your limitations, Baby. ONE guy can stuff you… but four? WTH? Pass it out, for a change.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

if he knew how to lead with his arms and not the ball

those are prime opportunities to draw fouls.

I guarantee you, someone like Pierce, KG or Sheed down in that situation and they draw a foul going up.

Its not really about height – its about experience and technique.

Like I’ve said in the past – BBD really needs to sit and watch Wes Unseld films – he should be his role model.

by mmmmm on Mar 7, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sir Charles too

Experience and skill do help in that situation. Another great player about the same size as BBD comes to mind — Sir Charles. If Barkely was in that situation, you can bet he would get a foul AND a basket.

Before BBD polishes his skills under the basket, he should learn to pass the ball to reset. He isn’t going to draw any foul and he does not have the respect of the refs to bail him out.

by getthat18now on Mar 8, 2010 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

ditto---offensive rebounds are great but...

davis has zero hops——pass the ball already. I cringe every time davis rebounds and puts back up that ugliness. no upfakes, don’t collect yourself for a shot ala perk, just reset or learn how to ball hawk and put back tips ins.

malcontents....the lot of you

by dasandruler on Mar 8, 2010 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Part of growing up

…is learning to recognize your limitations. Know what you can do, and what you cannot do. Baby’s still working on that.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Garnett 0-7 but still +8

by Blackberry33 on Mar 7, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

Great come back...

But not a overall impressive win.

Except for the last 6 minutes the C’s looked unmotivated and unfocused the rest of the game.
Their is no good excuse for struggling so much against this Wizards team.

Ray Allen gets the game ball.
The other positive of the night was how this team showed in the final 6 minutes it can still play stifling defense if it has the will.

Also it was great to see KG sky for some defensive shot block attempts during the last 6 minute comeback run..that was the old KG playing defense, that’s for sure.

How can this team show no energy for the whole game and then go nuts in the last 6 minutes is bewildering.

by fordescort on Mar 7, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

Yes -- a great win on the drive to the championship

I guess this is how bored teams win games against the worst teams in the league. The way they played 90 percent of this game was sickening. Why did they pick up Nate if they are not going to let him do anything on the court? Certainly hope they do not play like this when they start playing good teams — like the next game against Milwaukee — or they will get their doors blown off.

by vinnie on Mar 7, 2010 10:52 PM EST reply actions  

I watched the replay and traveling was allowed all night on both sides.

Yet you, like a metronome, chime in only to comment on that play – did it score more points than the other two dozen plays where a player travelled?

You are really starting to look like a broken record.

You only seem to comment on the issue of officiating and only to point out how either the Celtics are shown some favoritism or how the other team wasn’t.

Just for your benefit, last I checked, the C’s were right smack in the middle of the pack (#12) in number of PFs called – so clearly neither overly favored nor overly penalized. That says nothing absolute about the actual quality of the officiating though. Just whether the C’s are favored or not.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're kidding?

But of course, who knows, since you keep posting false information everywhere. As noted twice before already, Ray took just TWO steps after gathering the ball, which is specifically permitted under this year’s NBA rules.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

…that always depends on when step #1 is counted. Is it AS he’s gathering the ball? Or the step AFTER he gathers it? If the latter, then he took 2 steps. Refs call it differently at different times. Mostly at the end of games, they lean toward NOT making calls, as opposed to possibly making bad ones. (There was a recent study that showed that that’s generally true.)

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

4 in a row

feels awesome at this point.

by Greg Payne on Mar 7, 2010 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

turned the game off with 6:11 to go

turned it back on just in time to watch Ray hit the 3. Missed most of the comeback, but happy for the win. Off to Milwaukee!

by chunnamark on Mar 7, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

watched it all the way through

Im a glutton for punishment….luckily, they didn’t ruin my work day.

malcontents....the lot of you

by dasandruler on Mar 8, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Ray the heart of celtics

just cant express my love for ray,,,

by ken Celtic on Mar 7, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Not One to Gloat Over

Good to get the W, good to know they found a gear (Ray, whew!), but to sleepwalk through another game just a week after the Nets debacle? Not so good.

by Tenacious D on Mar 7, 2010 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Pierce-KG

What was with that scuffle between PP and KG at the end?

by tommyceltic on Mar 7, 2010 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Not a scuffle

They were just pumping each other up.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

he was pumping KG up

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

Great to see, too. KG’s feeling good.

by Greg Payne on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well did anyone see their post-game presser and think anything seemed amiss? I had sort of forgot about their “conversation” by then, but I got to wondering about it again because, for one thing, they were out of position from how they normally sit, and just their body language. They both seemed to be half turned away from each other. I don’t know. KG did mention “P” a few times (and nothing bad) so I’m probably reading waaay too much into it. Hope it was just a pump up!

by 34green on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Best news is KG

His physical condition looks great. Fell down hard several times… no problem. ’Course he had a bad game, but that happens… main thing is he looks physically primed out there.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

really?

I saw him limping and getting blown by by Blatche and co.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he was beat a couple of times

I count that as the last 10%… he’s not yet fully confident, apparently, in his lateral movement. And a few times, he was caught flatfooted. He’s allowed a bad game… just saying he looked physically very good to me.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

3 traveling calls and a 3 second call didn’t help either

whatever, I hope he’s fine and I tip my hat to him for never giving up and getting a stop at the end but this was not a game that will go in his highlight reel in Springfield

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

No question

KG had a bad game. Just like 08 Finals’ game 5. Really, my only concern is how he looks physically, and that seemed fine to me… even though he played hard and got hit a lot.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

on paper Kg did have a bad game

offensively Garnett was missing bunnies tonight, give him those same looks tommorrow he just dropped an easy twenty on you…..defense was a mix bag, but he was playin hard and being disruptive on D. Blatche going off is not an idictment on Kg, nobody was stopping him. I hated it, but as a fan of the game: bottoms!

malcontents....the lot of you

by dasandruler on Mar 8, 2010 3:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree Jeff

I thought KG favored his leg tonight more than he has in the past few weeks. Hope it is nothing major.

by vinnie on Mar 8, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

What games are you watching?

You won’t find a bigger KG fan than me, but he was getting burned by Blatche at will all game. He can turn it on for a few minutes down the stretch, but he’s injured, it’s clear. The good news is that if Rondo can actually play a good 48 minutes and the bench can be consistent, we can win with a 70% KG. But his physical condition looks far from great. So what if he can fall and get back up? We’re holding him to old woman with osteoporosis health standards now?

by joebianca on Mar 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

I’m telling you… he’s in great shape. Bad game, but physically just fine. (A lot of players “limp” during time outs… doesn’t mean anything.)

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You're really beating the "KG is fine" drum

But it doesn’t seem like most other people here agree…

by TheOutletPass on Mar 7, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

:)

That’s why we have blogs :)

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

You see what you see and I see what I see

And I am not the medical expert, you are. See your diagnosis of Kobe’s injury.

by vinnie on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure you see a whole lot

…must be hard with those dark glasses on all the time. (And btw, my dx was correct on Kobe that time, months ago… it did look exactly like an MCL injury… but not gonna bother explaining all that to you again.)

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice won. Great comeback

But it should not be this hard. It was too close for comfort. But again, if I have to choose, I rather that they play poorly for 42 minutes and win than play great for 42 mins but lose.

by getthat18now on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

well they showed they can flip the switch, but maybe they should think up keeping it switched on all the time.

by wisco87 on Mar 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

Hollow Win

Sure – it’s better than a loss, but this team just gets murdered by athletic opponents. Even bad ones by Washington. Very frustrating – hard to get excited about this team these days.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 7, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

I agree...

especially with teams like Atlanta, but Blatche was hitting a lot of outside shots, not just using his athleticism to get to the hoop.

by djLaysItIn on Mar 7, 2010 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Ray

Kept us in the game when the entire rest of the team was struggling and then made the plays down the stretch. THAT’S they Ray we’ll need to compete for a title this year.

As far as KG’s health, I think he is getting in better game shape, but we definitely isn’t moving around well. Even on that last defensive stretch, he was slapping at the ball with Blatche backing him down. He’s not getting any lift on defense, just trying to keep a hand in someone’s face. Unless absolutely necessary, he isn’t jumping for rebounds either. The knee is still limiting and I’m not holding out too much hope to ever seen an even 2008 KG again. He can still be a very good player regardless, but his days of dominating an entire game seem to be fading.

One more thought: Rondo gets awfully cute with the ball after won tip-offs, starts of quarters, and some inbound passes. It’s going to take a huge gaffe in a crucial point of the game for him to realize how just unnecessary that is.

by djLaysItIn on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

disagree a bit on KG

KG’s problems tonight were clearly and distinctly with his shot. He had no accuracy or touch on his shot from the field. 0 for 7 is pretty ugly.

But otherwise, 10 defensive rebounds is a strong indication that athleticism wasn’t the problem.

That follows a performance in which he had 4 blocked shots and 5 def rebounds in very short minutes.

His shooting has not been very good though. KG needs to put some extra practice time in on making that 8-10 foot fadeway shot that’s supposed to be his trademark.

This is three straight games we’ve held the opposition to less than 90 points. I have a hard time picking on the team’s defensive efforts.

But we shot just miserably tonight.

by mmmmm on Mar 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, it might not be physical

but when have you ever seen so many average players finish around the basket with KG in the vicinity? He isn’t getting any lift when trying to block shots and players are definitely getting around him more easily. I’m having trouble figuring it out myself, because he has flashes of showing the burst of 08 KG but then looks like Sheed at other times. I think some local writers might be on to something that are saying that the knee may be fine but he has a mental block when it comes to going all out on it. I hope he lets loose during the playoffs as well, slapping the floor while playing perimeter D, and banging his head on the goalpost while scaring many children in attendance.

by djLaysItIn on Mar 8, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait !!!

Why no foul on the last play? That was bad coaching or execution to not foul.

Was PP snd KG arguing at the end of the final timeout? or just pumping each other up?

Sweet Jesus S saves……………………..the game

Doris Burke …….and IP…..the hot new romance gone bad

Thank you Jesus Shuttlesworth

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Mar 7, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

KG and Paul

were definitely pumping each other up. KG was so animated over the final 3 minutes of this one.

by Greg Payne on Mar 7, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

They had to be told not to foul because they had there chances.

by wisco87 on Mar 7, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I heard Doc say post-game that he wanted them to foul once they crossed half court and they didn’t do it.

by 34green on Mar 7, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes bored teams forget to do what they are told

becaue they know they are so good that they can do whatever they want and they will still win games against difficult opponents such as teh Wizards.

by vinnie on Mar 8, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to foul there, a 3 only = OT not an L

Unless it’s going to be Kobe, Lebron, or Wade taking that last three, I think I’d let them chuck it up and see what happens. The way that game had turned I felt good about any potential OT.

by rkls134 on Mar 8, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he did say that

…and it did seem like the right thing to do, since Wash had no time-out left.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you Jesus Shuttleworth

I’m glad you said that…..and I hope you get to say it NUMEROUS times this season. Maybe, the Ray haters will read it in passing :)

by barefacedmonk on Mar 7, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

gotta agree

although I don’t care much about the awards

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

http://oscar.go.com/nominations/nominees?cid=10_oscars_landingCallout_nominations&cid=10_oscars_landingCallout_oscar-night

Is it really that much more exciting to hear them read the names from the little cards? Definitely a lot less frustrating – I’ll give you that.

by djLaysItIn on Mar 7, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really glad now

I didn’t flip to the awards, although I came close, darn close!

by 34green on Mar 7, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, if ever a show cried out for DVR

It’s the Oscars. You can save about 3 hours of your life that way.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And the oscar goes to the most anti-American scumball.

Watch the C’s. A lot more entertaining. Even if they only show up for the last 6 minutes.

by iowa plowboy on Mar 8, 2010 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Our friend from Iowa

…is probably referring to Hollywood’s general liberal bent. It’s well known that a lot of anti-Americans live and work in the movie business. No less an authority than the United States Senate said so. Ok, it was about 56 years ago, but if Sen. McCarthy – from the great neighboring state of Wisconsin – said it, it must be true!

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Why bother?

More of the same is on the way. ‘Celtics win, Lakers lose’ is going to be a norm.

by getthat18now on Mar 8, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Too funny

Reality – when a team plays this bad they deserve to lose. 4 straight vs bottom feeders out of the playoffs, with ref help.

Let’s see how the Bucks and Griz do against this fading C’s team…

by nba is the worst on Mar 8, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

You know, I understand having a negative opinion

What I don’t understand is why you work so hard to disseminate it, why you appear to revel in your belief that this team is terrible. Why do you continue to follow them, I wonder? I know this question has been asked before, and it’s not appropriate in most cases since everyone’s entitled to his/her opinion… but the unrelenting and non-stop negativity, even GLEE over your perception of Celtics incompetence… I think begs the question, in your case and in vinnie’s.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll take the win

thank you very much.

KG looked fine to me. He was cold on offense but he was active all game and (importantly for KG) he was playing with some serious fire. He kept that play off of the missed FT alive for Ray’s 3.

by reggie35 on Mar 7, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

I've seen a dozen posts from C's fans (and authors)

using the phrase, “I’ll take it”.

Translation – didn’t deserve the win

by nba is the worst on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Lucky.

The C’s are just lucky in the end Ray making his shots and the Wizards missed their shots….but overall the Wizards played a good game for almost three and a half quarters..The C’s still need to step up more in their game if they want to be champions again…

by celticz on Mar 7, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

You heard it here first

Making and missing shots = Luck

USG

by Ben Buchanan on Mar 7, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

expected more from the C's

But a win is a win no matter how bad a win it is.

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.

by Marjun Raposon on Mar 7, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

What I meant was

The C’s should have put them away by the 3rd quarter, but instead, the first 3 quarters was filled lackluster play. They simply just didn’t played hard. The good thing was, the C’s were mentally tough enough to finish out with a win.

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.

by Marjun Raposon on Mar 7, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

~90%

Blatche is entitled to have a great game, and it happens sometimes when KG does not. Still ~90%.

by DRJ1 on Mar 7, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

New nickname suggestion for Perkins

The Hurt Locker

that is all

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Mar 7, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

Morris almond is killing it for our d league team any chance we bring him up for a 10 day contract? We could use his scoring athleticism and rebounds!

by Blackberry33 on Mar 8, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I gotta say

For how bad we supposedly did, I think our defense kinda brought it, especially in the final 6 minutes. It was our offense that had to get ticking.

I mean, we kept the Wizards to under 20 points in 2 quarters, especially the 4th quarter. However, the main problem with our offense was that we scored under 20 points in 2 quarters, too.

Personally, I think our defense is finding it’s way back, but our offense needs to step up earlier on in the game. I mean, we only allowed 83 points! Against the Sixers, it was 86! The worst offensive team in the league (Nets, go figure….) scores 90.6 points. We’re far from where we need to be, but we’re getting there.

by Tai on Mar 8, 2010 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed - all year long it has been the offense.

We didn’t get a lift from The New MicroWave™ in this game – the bench was pretty bad.

And KG missing all 7 shots – ouch. Thats at least likely to get fixed.

The worse thing is the 19 total turnovers …. that’s a lot of points thrown away. Turnovers have plagued our offense all year. And the biggest problem continues to be things like traveling calls & moving picks – sloppy, happy feet stuff.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Quite a few bad passes tonight too

With Rondo leading that charge, as usual.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

But statistically, Rondo's job pretty much requires it.

He really doesn’t create ‘bad pass’ turnovers at a high rate compared to his assists and especially for a PG.

We can tolerate bad passes – those are going to happen as a result of the other teams’ play and the inevitable bad bounce or slow reaction, blah blah.

When you look closely at our turnovers – which has been a problem all year – we do better than our opposition (i.e. commit fewer TOs) in every category (bad passes, ball handling, etc.) except one. We commit WAY more TOs through offensive fouls (which includes moving picks, travels, carries, 3-sec violations, etc., as well as charges). And a disproportionate of those are actually caused by our younger big men (Perk, BBD, Shelden).

That’s basically having happy feet and not concentrating.

In THIS particular game, it was KG being sloppy with 4 such TOs (3 travels and one 3sec).

Throughout the year, we have averaged about 3-4 more such TOs than the really good teams in the league – that’s basically been the difference in our net scoring differential average being ‘meh’ and ‘great’.

If we can keep the TOs to under 13 a game we will be in great shape. And cutting out the ‘happy feet’ TOs is the biggest area ripe for improvement.

The last few games were a big improvement, but this one we regressed (19 TOs overall!).

Thanks to Ray and Rajon, we got away with a win anyway.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

And 1

Only thing to add: We sometimes forgive Rondo his TOs too much. About 25%-30% (conservatively estimating) are due to sloppy, inattentive play. And I’m pretty confident those will stop when the playoffs arrive.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

Let’s compare Rondo bad pass and ball handling ratings versus some of his peers (focusing mainly on some key playoff teams but including Nash as a modern archetype for Rondo’s style of play) at the PG position (using numbers from 82games.com). Higher is better:

Rondo vs Steve Nash vs Billups vs Mo Williams vs Jameer Nelson vs Derek Fisher

Assist / Bad Pass ratio: 4.8 vs 3.8 vs 3.9 vs 3.2 vs 3.6 vs 3.2
‘Hands’ Rating: 31.8 vs 38.9 vs 22.6 vs 22.6 vs 25.3 vs 18.2

Viewed that way, Rondo’s ball handling and bad pass ratings look pretty good.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice work

Good-looking numbers for Rondo, too.

Don’t know how they calculate the “Hands” rating… probably a function of total TOs and/or good vs. bad passes?

But you agree that some of his TOs are easily avoidable… and won’t happen when he’s really focused on playing his best game, like in the playoffs, right? That means those numbers, already excellent, will get even better. I’m good with that !

(Side note: the Assist/Bad Pass ratio is probably a bit bloated for Rondo vs. the others, because of his unique team situation – where distribution is his prime calling (as opposed to scoring). Lately though, he’s shown the ability to take over on scoring too, which is great to see.)

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But you agree that some of his TOs are easily avoidable…

Well, of course. That is true of every player. That isn’t really saying anything.

and won’t happen when he’s really focused on playing his best game, like in the playoffs, right?

That’s impossible for me to know. I hope so. But as I indicate above, I’m not particularly worried about those ‘hands’ TOs on the part of Rondo.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Thing more about this game

It is a pretty good win given that Rondo pretty much decided this was one of those games where he would take most of it off. So, if he plays hard, they probably win tonight by at least 12 points.

by vinnie on Mar 8, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

I think you are being to hard on Rondo

In the first half, he would have had several more assists if KG & others would have just converted their shots.

The primary offense is supposed to go to the bigs so that’s where he kept sending the ball – but they weren’t converting. KG, Wallace & Davis were a combined 2 for 20.

Give Rondo credit in the second half for going more to the hoop himself and concentrating on feeding Ray.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing with Rondo

Take him away from this team and it’s .500.

Maybe.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 8, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

Just did not seem like he was into the game tonight, but I could be wrong. His line is not that bad, other than the 4 turnovers.

by vinnie on Mar 8, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

find a better way to work in Nate

Nate has to take more shots.
Tommy said so.
BBD should look for him more.

also Rondo stank up the place tonight.

by Snowball on Mar 8, 2010 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Only in L.A.

…would so many live people vote for Hurt Locker as a better film than Avatar. One is 1/100th the accomplishment of the other.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

The Hurt Locker

was terrific. Probably not as good, to me, as Up In The Air, which feels very durable. But either of those, or even some of the other nominees far exceed Avatar’s accomplishments, IMO.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 8, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol

Oh well… to each his own.

I thought Up In The Air was completely BORING and STUPID. No really… a waste of time. Hurt Locker is very good, no question. But Avatar soars over all of them as a monumental, game-changing achievement. But Hollywood likes to pat itself on its shoulder over how “serious” and “artsy” they are…. morons….. fakers.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

"Boring and stupid?"

But you think Avatar is a great movie? Beyond the special effects?

You’re right – we have no common ground here at all.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 8, 2010 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we agree on that

…which is common ground, after all…

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone I know

Compared it to Pocohontas.

It’s still better than Pocohontas, modernized version be damned.

by Tai on Mar 8, 2010 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It depends on what you expect from "a movie"

If you’re looking for deep meaning, complex plotting, character analysis, etc… well, then of course you’re not going to appreciate Avatar. But seems to me movies should be evaluated on the totality of the experience. Visual, intellectual, aural… everything. Avatar is a masterpiece of movie making, something that comes along, literally, once in a generation… if that often. Is it Ingmar Bergman? Nope. Is it Woody Allen? Uh uh. But taken as what it is – it’s absolutely brilliant.

To ignore such a seminal piece of moviemaking in favor of a solid, but ultimately forgettable movie like The Hurt Locker… is just nutty. Only in Hollywood.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

be careful of judging the media instead of the message

Yes, Avatar is a brilliant, magnificent work of great craftmanship.

But that doesn’t necessarily make it better ‘art’ than The Hurt Locker.

Craftmanship != Art. They are both important, but different.

Sometimes a simple pencil sketch is a far superior piece of artwork than a laboriously detailed mural.

I agree, the totality of the experience is the way to gauge that artistic impression. I suspect the academy is somewhat numb to special effects extravaganzas at this point so some of what impresses you may not be as impressive to them.

by mmmmm on Mar 8, 2010 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

It's a pattern by now...

…in Hollywood, to vote for the “artsy” film… the one that makes you feel like you know better than “the masses”. Last year it was Slumdog Millionaire, for both Direction and Best Picture. Slumdog is a very nice film, lots of fun… but anybody who really thought that it was better directed or a better picture than Benjamin Button (or even The Reader) was either high on something, or your typical Hollywood celeb-moron.

(I know some of these people… and believe me, they’re morons.)

At least this year, it’s a little more debatable. Not for me, at all… but I can understand how some may focus on the particular facets of the experience in which Hurt Locker excels. Last year… was a total ridiculous joke.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record...

You don’t know nearly as much as you think you do about the voting machinations of Hollywood.

The Reader and Benjamin Button were two of the most shlocky pieces of nonsense spewed out by the machine last year (Fincher should have known better). I’ll take Danny Boyle’s imperfect, but much-more-alive film than either of these two everyday. And I’m neither high nor a celeb-moron.

by TheOutletPass on Mar 8, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Amazing

“The Reader” was “schlocky” and “spewed out by the machine”? Really? Based on an international best seller, produced by the Weinstein Company, directed S. Daldry – hardly the credentials of Hollywood “schlock”. I’d argue about Button too, but it’s clearly pointless with you.

You started off ok, in support of Hurt Locker. Now, however, the truth has been revealed. Your hostile tone plus your quite ridiculous statements belie your implied claim of adequacy.

by DRJ1 on Mar 8, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

KG Healthy?

How can anyone watch last night and realistically say that KG looked good (healthwise)? I have been watching him under a microscope since his return and although he has shown flashes of his former self, It is quite obvious that he is not only playing in pain, but that knee just doesn’t react the way it used to. It’s doubtful but lets hope he’s still in the healing process and he can get back to playing at the intensity level he’s used to.

by PaFish on Mar 8, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve been watching jut as closely and see slow but steady progress. I think he’s about 75% of the 2008 Garnett. You have to keep in mind that the 2010 Garnett, even without the after-effects of injury/surgery, could only hope to be 90% of the 2008 Garnett. Age alone was going to chop off 10%.

He may get close to that 90%.

by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 8, 2010 4:49 PM EST reply actions  

OTOH – I have nothing to say about Pocahontas.

by BouncingBuckeye on Mar 8, 2010 5:48 PM EST reply actions  

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