Beat By Bucks
by Jeff Clark on Mar 9, 2010 10:26 PM EST
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Paul's shot didn't fall, so the Celtics did.
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Yes, it was fun. I take nothing away from the Cs. Paul’s shot just didn’t fall. I would have preferred the ball in Ray Allen’s hands though.
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Mar 9, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
good game
perk stunk flat out… cant believe im saying it but more sheed would have been good tonight
Re the Milwaukee broadcast
I’m so glad that apparently our dish boxes are so antiquated that they can’t get League Pass on the normal channels and DirecTV makes it available to us through each team’s local channel. I’m grateful to get Mike and Tommy for every game that isn’t nationally televised or away on NBA TV.
i will add any names if u want to be on the letter im drafting as i speak
and i am serious just to let u know
I'm on board
Those guys were awful. Moreover, the NBA is a joke for not having the option of selecting your team’s broadcasters with LP online. Go to MLB.tv and watch a game and you can pick your broadcast (home/away).
Agree - was one of them a Carey?
I hate it when League pass doesn’t use Mike/Tommy
by nba is the worst on Mar 9, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think Perk's offensive foul with a minute and a half to go
shut the door for us.
yeah, Sheed had a much better game than Perk tonight
Perk seemed intimidated and a bit lost. Several mental errors.
Far as I could tell
They were both bad on defense. Sheed just standing around. Perk unable to stop Bogut.
I think that's quite fair.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think Bogut's bulk and length at 7' gave Perk trouble...
Sheed with his extra bulk and length slowed down Bogut a bit more and kept him out of his sweet spot a bit better then Perk did.
I think Perkins ruined this game for us.
Perkins couldn’t defend for crap. Couldn’t shoot for crap. Couldn’t do anything for crap.
Doesn’t Doc know when to even pull his players out of the game if they are completely out of it.
Might be the most overrated player
In the entire league! Any big with any kind of ability abuses the hell out him every night. I’ve seen enough of him.
Absolutely agree
Overrated and it shows this year with KG not being 100%… Can he even go to the basket without putting the ball on the floor? And how about his attitude??? He now claims the ball as if he could do something with it down in the paint…
Looks like several of us saw the same game.
’Definitely wish Sheed had been in there those last 7 minutes.
It's simple
Another good team = another loss. What’s the surprise? And what is up with this team’s offense? Ray took THREE shots tonight. THREE. Pierce now has less lift than Glen Davis and gets blocked almost as often. Perkins continues to regress. Yes, the Celtics hung with the Bucks, but they couldn not beat them. So far nothing they have done since the all star game has changed my mind about the season outcome.
Where is the overreaction?
I maintain my stance that this team will not win the championshiip
I state a clear fact that Paul Pierce currently has not lift
I accurately state that once again they play a team with a winning record and lose
I accurately state that the offense is messed up when Ray Allen takes only three shots
Please tell me where the overreaction is
pierce has less lift than big baby
my dead granny has more lift than baby… thats an overreaction
Don't care about the shooting line
He needs to score for this team to win and for the most part he is not in the last several weeks. That’s all.
Gimme a break. The game was lost in the post.
Yeah, Pierce shot poorly tonight. But even so his last shot was a millimeter off from taking it to overtime.
But the game was lost in the post where Bogut had his merry way and that wasn’t Pierce defending him.
Agree
Perk and Pierce a combined 5 for 21 I think. Rebounding stunk too. Perk had 5, Sheed 5 Davis 1—that’s Scal-worthy.
Paul's game is so predictable
no one, especially the refs, respect it anymore.
if you mean
predictably pandering for fouls <arm flail/strip , turnover>—then yes. the bucks knew he was gonna go to the sweet spot too, and he still got exactly what he wanted. Almost hit it mind you.
malcontents....the lot of you
AGREE WITH VINNIE
this team is mediocre at best
its hard to watch these guys get old and flail around
play SHELDON instead of perk!!!
by CELTICZ4LIFE on Mar 10, 2010 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
too bad because this was such a winnable game
but once again we came out flat and allowed the other team to establish its offensive game in the first qtr. I thought our secondunit gave us some life in the 2nd qtr and that sheed actually played well tonight . kg did ok onthe glass but his D was weak and Perkins never had a chance against bogut.our starters failed to establish the tone for this game and it cost us the game
WHY WOULD PIERCE SHOOT THE LAST SHOT WHEN HE GOES 3-13?
SOMEBODY TELL ME !!!!!
by KGfanfromMONTREAL on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions
because he had ... a totally open shot? It was in the rim and out.
That was a good play, a good look and a good shot. Just bad luck.
+1
It’s hardd to argue that last shot. It just didn’t fall. I can’t fault him on that.
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Mar 9, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Totally open?
KG and Nate were more open than he was. He had Bogut right in his grill. To his credit, he almost made it, but that doesn’t make it a good shot. Doc should’ve at least tried to get it to Ray.
Give the Bucks credit
they played a great game. they were super hyped for this game, and the C’s matched them. they just scored a couple more points. give them their due. Ray and Paul had big time off shooting nights. anything average from them and we win going away. I can’t complain though i want them to win every game.
- JoeB
No credit to the Bucks' D?
Or Delfino?
by nba is the worst on Mar 9, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
how can you be off
when you only take 3 shots? how can you tell?
Yeah, the Bucks did a good job of denying Ray the ball.
They consistently preferred to give up the paint to Rondo by overplaying him to pass and playing tight on Ray consistently.
Rondo made them pay by going to the hoop with ease – but those didn’t make up for the lost offense from Ray.
we played great d in the second period. rondo carried this team on his back and deserved better. this jennings kid looked and acted like a punk. pierce looks like he has no lift and played hard but poorly. bogut ate perk’s lunch. after his first 2 big shots, nate looked passive and shaky.
WHY WOULD PIERCE SHOOT THE LAST SHOT WHEN HE GOES 3-13?
SOMEBODY TELL ME !!!!!
by KGfanfromMONTREAL on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 PM EST reply actions
If You Think Tonight Was Bad...
Wait until tomorrow.
It is really scary to watch Pierce these days
One good game out of every three or four looks like what we can expect for now. Hope that improves. He absolutely cannot get to the rim anymore when anyone is defending him.
he got to the rim all night tonight and got very few calls...
i actually thought paul had pretty good spring tonight… alot of shots rimming out.. he stayed aggressive
Eh, he got into the paint as he has been, but he can’t seem to finish or get a foul. Not a good sign. Although from my point of view, his defense has been as worrisome if not more as his offense.
Paul done?
..as a primary scorer, in terms ability to get in the lane and create. Seems to do best these days as a secondary options, pick and pops. Rays the only one of the starters who seems to be able to score down the stretch. Rondo, if he can get in the lane.
It takes time, he is still recovering from various injuries.
I just don’t understand why the people hitting shots didn’t get more game time like Daniels and Wallace.
Feelin' so sad right now . . .
for Paul and Ray because they couldn’t get anything going all night! If just one of them could’ve done something, we’d have had a double digit win. Where has our go to guy gone?
ehh
i think dic is waiting WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY to long to put starters in , i hope he dosent use this rotation come playoff time ,BIG game tommorow though we need to win so we can keep consistant
wheres your killer instinct son? you gotta get angry!!
celtics can’t even hit water if they fell out of a boat….
by eshak20534 on Mar 9, 2010 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Perk... and what is going on with Pierce?
When will he understand that he is not an offensive threat? His offensive game is primitive and Bogut IMO ridiculed him tonight on both ends. Perk is overrated… and the leads me to Pierce. I guess his effort on defence was acceptable but what is going on with his offense? Why would he take the last shot when he is 3-13 for the night? Is this the only play Doc can call – this is so predictable.
What Does Finley Give You...
that Tony Allen doesn’t— other than the fiact that Finley went to the same high school as Rivers? Finley is a waste of a roster spot, but even worse he’s a waste of a rotation spot.
yep, shooting
That’s about it. I don’t know, Finley was okay tonight, but it doesn’t seem right that Tony goes straight to DNP.
And I think Doc didn't play him
…because (a) he needs to give Fin some PT, and (b) there was nobody on the Bucks’ side that the Cs really needed TA to guard.
Yeah, its not as if we were going to put TA on Bogut
though he probably couldn’t have done much worse than Perk …
what r u talking about... hes saying finley is a waste??
what did i miss?
In any case,,
TA is scarey, you never know what you are going to get. Its like Gump’s box of chcolates gone bad;
Intense game
I really like how the Bucks play, they have a good team. Sounded like a good building too. I liked how the Cs played for the most part, but Paul just doesn’t look right. Perk obviously wasn’t good, but I give Bogut credit. He’s a good player (and he should be as a former no. 1 overall pick). They probably should have doubled earlier and more often. I liked Rondo’s game especially after he stopped trying to show up Jennings, speaking of whom, it will be interesting to see if he is still yapping at KG the next game.
Why?
Davis already did that to him.
And you know what? While Jennings earned his technical foul and accompanying fine – as I said earlier in the year when a Celtic (Perk, I think) did it, making a point of standing over someone will get you a whistle every time – I watched that sequence knowing that even though I’d be irate at a Celtic for picking up a T like that, there was something likable about the way Jennings reacted. Six foot stringbean rook gets hammered by a guy twice his size and is ready to get right back in and mix it up.
I like him.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 2:56 AM EST up reply actions
did u see him after the game?
thats where i lost my respect for him.. it had nothing to do with what happened during the game
In rooting for this particular Celtics team,
I feel more than a bit hesitant to start jumping on opponents for their yapping. See my “Oh please” comment to you down below for further comment on that.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
You notice Garnett said nothing.......
Exactly what he should have been yapping to Blatche. Nothing.
by Finkelskyhook on Mar 10, 2010 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was noticing that it really did sound like a good building. It reminded me of a high school crowd or something. I mean, they were chanting “Mil-wau-kee” at one point. I can’t really recall another crowd chanting the name of their city. And what was up with that horn blaring during our free throws? Very annoying to me, but apparently not so much to the C’s players, so that was good.
The horn was really annoying to me as well, but we kept making our free throws so I was like…okay, whatever. Rondo was 8-9 I think.
Anybody catch the “Walter” chant near the beginning when Ray was shooting free throws? I assume it was for Walter Ray Allen and not some strange infection of retro-Scalabrinitis.
A good game, overall
Though I was disgusted by Sheed’s minimal-effort game (again), and with Doc’s choice of Paul – of all people – to take the last shot, overall this was a good game for the Cs. They lost because of…
- SEVERAL lucky bounces to the Bucks,
- SEVERAL very tough shots that the Bucks somehow made,
- SEVERAL very bad calls by the Marat Kogut, the referee who apparently had money on the Bucks tonight,
- bad shooting nights for Ray and Paul;
- and one more: Perk couldn’t do much right tonight, least of all guard Bogut.
The only thing the Cs could do something about, really, was that last play. How do you give it to Paul, who at that point had already missed 9 of 12 shots, and ALL but one of his jumpers? Weird decision by Doc.
Otherwise, this was a good effort by the team. In particular, Paul and KG worked their tails off on defense. Too bad Paul couldn’t get it together on O.
Want to make sure I have all the excuses right for this loss
The Bucks got lucky bounces
Let me finish
Bucks got lucky bounces
Bucks made shots they should not have made
Refs made terrible calls — even though the Celtics took twice as many free throws
Does that cover all of them?
Why are they excuses?
They’re facts, not excuses. I told ya… take those dark glasses OFF. Really, they’re killing your eyesight.
Because they are
Bounces are part of every game
Making tough shots is part of every game
The Celtics simplu struggle mightily against teams .500 or better and it has been for the entire season. Look it up.
Seriously - complaining aboout the refs?
hard to believe…
by nba is the worst on Mar 9, 2010 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh indeed
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Their shots really weren’t going down, at all. Their defense was good, but everything was in and out. Home team luck! Not a big deal loss, if anything, the Celts are looking better to me. I’m not worried about Paul, he is DEFINETLY moving better. He will get his offense back and get in rhythm.
KG is starting to hop around like a jumping bean again. I love him like Kix. This is all we should be talking about.
That play near the end where KG went to Perk Twice
First one was blocked and then the second shot was awful. WHY go to Perk in that situation? WHY?
perk was sulking and then forced it
he was much more the problem than pierce tonight
I think Pierce took it
Because there was only 3 seconds left…And he can still create his own shot better than anyone else…If there was 5+ seconds left, I bet we would have seen Ray come off a screen and take the shot…Just my thoughts on that one.
I agree, only 3.9 seconds, you can’t screw around. Paul got a decent shot, not great. Gotta live with it.
Yeah and it really was a decent shot for Paul
He’s made a career out of that shot. It literally went in and out, so it’s tough to criticize that shot, given the amount of time they had to work with.
but it was predictable
the same shot in the same situation every time. On one the elbows, pump fake, fade away or lean forward to get a foul. No one respects it anymore.
not this year
not in a big spot, not that that I’ve seen anyway
maybe respect is the wrong word
they just know whats coming and are looking for it is what I mean.
No one respects it?
Why, cause they don’t double team Pierce?
Pierce was able to get to the line tonight once by jumping into the arms of the defender. That only happened cause Pierce’s man was guarding him closely.
I personally hate the kind of call
BTW. Can’t stand it. For us or against us, I hate when they call that. Jumping into a defender or swinging your arms through, all that soft stuff irritates me.
Bogut
He has owned Perk in the two games I’ve seen this season. He is as big as Perk but has an impressive post game and a feathery touch-he’s a lot better than I thought.
Ray Al
by McHaleinthepost on Mar 9, 2010 10:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would cosign those thoughts
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:01 AM EST up reply actions
Effort--Not talent--is all that`s needed to beat the Celtics
Just show up and make an effort…the Celts will eventually fold.
ok... so they didnt try tonight?/
did u watch this game?
The "scary" part is...the Celts were trying
When a young team puts forth the energy & effort…an old, decrepit team is cooked!
jbuell719 & DRJ1...
Seriously, I applaud your loyalty and optimism.
But there comes a time when reality must be addressed.
I`m only trying to lessen the pain you`re setting yourselves up for in May.
i wont be pained.. im going to enjoy the ride... i love this team and will back them up no matter what..
that may make me a blind optimist but thats just my way of rooting my team on
Overreaction
C’s lost because the Buck got pretty lucky (with ball bounces and tough shots and that moron ref Kogut), at the same time that both Ray and Paul went ice cold, and Perk went to sleep. Cs take these guys in 5 or 6, in a 7 games series.
Celtics took 22 free throws, Bucks took 11
Someone else should check the box score before they lay partial blame on the refs
Handling the ball, yes
But I trust him for that last shot before I trust Paul, whose jumper was dead tonight
And got outrebounded
and Perk had a brain fart and decided to take on Bogut. When Perk takes nine and Ray takes three, that not a bad bounce. Something is out of whack.
nate should have taken the last shot
KG cannot create for himself, rondo can’t hit an outside jumper, ray allen didn’t shoot all game so why would he know he didn’t have any looks, and peirce was off….Nate is Mr. Clutch…..feed the kid the rock doc
Actually, I'm ok with that idea
…or Finley, or even Ray or KG. Anybody but Paul, who was ICE cold.
Yeah, if he wasn’t terrible in the 2nd half, I could go along with this. He just look dazed out there.
But DRJ1, how many times have we seen a player be ICE cold (Ray comes to mind a few times) and then take and make the final shot? I have no problem with Paul taking the final shot, just that they got down 7 and it therefore came down to the need for a final shot in the first place.
Yeah... I know
It’s arguable. But more for Ray than Paul, in my mind. At least Ray is a known pure shooter and on his game lately. Paul’s shot’s been off for a long time now. I’d have let anybody else take it BUT Paul.
Anybody? Really?
Perk? Rondo? And when was Paul’s 27-point game? And didn’t he have 17 last game? I disagree that his shot’s been off for a long time, but he HAS been pretty inconsistent. I’m betting he’ll come back tomorrow night in a big way.
Rondo, yes.
One of the best FG% for PGs in the league. Perk taking a jumper is a joke, you know that. So yeah… anybody but Paul. (Pierce has had ONE good game since coming back from his hand injury. I wouldn’t rely on him, especially since he had such a bad shooting night.)
Looked to me
That he had a lane to the basket when Milwaukee gave their last foul. So I think he would have been okay. But they should have used PP as a decoy on the second inbound.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be silly. Rondo's FG% is based on layups.
Despite improvement, he does not have the high percentage jumper from range that you want in that situation.
At that point in the game, in that scenario, the defense ALWAYs sags in the paint to prevent layups and force you to take a lower percentage jump shot. It is simple percentages.
That is why Pierce has classically been so clutch at the end of the game – because if they do that he has the jumper and if they DO come out to contest he can drive.
Yes, you can argue that he doesn’t have the same skills at all this as he used to – but they haven’t completely vanished.
On this game, for this particular shot, Pierce was able to come off the screen to get a wide open shot. He had a good look at the basket and the shot almost went in. One tiny millimeter to the right and it sinks.
I just don’t get the point of second guessing the play. The play worked. They just weren’t lucky enough for it to go in.
Still don't like Paul taking that shot
He’d missed every jumper except one to that point. Clearly badly off his (shooting) game. I’d have been ok with anybody else. Most particularly, Ray, or KG, or put Nate or Fin in… , or Sheed. Just not Paul. And yes, even Rondo (tho clearly not your first choice, but not your last either.)
I just don’t care about Paul’s history at that point. His game was terrible, and had been terrible the game before too. I think you go with your best shooter(s) in that scenario, not your worst.
We’ve had this talk before, I think… at the end of the game, do you go with your HISTORICALLY best shooter, or THAT GAME’S best shooter? It’s debatable. But when you have a Paul, who hasn’t been shooting well for several games in a row… then the decision is clearer. Stay away from HIM.
"hasn't been shooting well"
So 6 for 11 against the Wizards and 9 for 13 against the Bobcats don’t count as shooting well?
Yeah, he sucked in the game in between those. But overall, that doesn’t support your contention.
Ultimately, most coaches are going to use players in the manner in which they are most comfortable in those situations. For last shot plays, the C’s are going to go to Paul or Ray 90% of the time. Ray was being cut out of the offense all night by the way the Bucks were defending him. So it made perfect sense to go to Paul. There were less than 4 seconds left and Paul was the best chance of creating an open look without having to spend too much time passing the ball around. And he did.
Again, the play worked. The shot just rimmed out. Sometimes luck doesn’t go your way.
There were several guys open
And it wasn’t hard to get a shot off, for anybody. Bucks were protecting the paint, mostly.
See, I know the Cs go to Ray or Paul 90% of the time in that situation. And that’s a BIG mistake. Because everybody in the league by now knows exactly what we know, and better. So… you do NOT go with what everybody expects… you send the ball to a Nate or a Finley or KG… send it to somebody, anybody whom they do NOT expect to take the shot. (Unless you have time to run a play that springs Ray WIDE open, like they did vs. the Wizards, of course.) He’ll have a clean, WIDE open shot – which Paul did NOT have tonight, btw… he worked to get open, and barely did by falling back – and that non-Paul-non-Ray player will hit it >70% of the time (because it’s so wide open).
With Paul way off his game, you just don’t go to him when the game is on the line. I hate when Doc does that, relying on the player’s PAST. Past is past. If a guy sucks TODAY, he sucks today…. stay away from that guy.
(Yeah, I was thinking of the Philly game… 1-9, ferkissakes. Paul was ok vs. the Wiz. But in general, he’s been off his game, working his way back. Btw, his energy and movement is primo… just his shot is off.)
so what if if we're predictable
everyone knows the ball is going to kobe in the last second if the lakers need a score. it still works.
that’s the thing about superstars, they make the shots. this is why you give it to ray or paul instead of nate or finley.
by rav123 on Mar 10, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But they're not making them
Kobe’s been missing a lot of his game-savers. Paul too. Ray’s a good option, if he’s swung free like he was vs. the Wizards. But Paul? Give it to Paul to FIGHT his way free (there was no play to spring him free), and take another fadeaway jumper? When he’d missed 8 of them already? See… I don’t like that play, at all.
I believe Kobe has won six games at the buzzer this year
Pretty good, don’t you think?
Exactly. Its about execution.
Proper execution makes a play unstoppable even if ‘they know its coming’.
Teams go to these bread-and-butter plays with their superstars again and again because they practice-practice-practice them and because their superstars execute them.
That's the point
There WAS NO PLAY. It was just your typical old non-working “give-it-to-Paul-and-let-him-find-a-shot”. With Paul playing so badly (on offense), that is the last thing they should have done.
I know about Kobe hitting a lot of game winners. But you are ignoring all the ones he missed, and there have been quite a few lately, until last night.
And ‘I know Paul. Paul is a friend of mine. Paul Pierce is NO KOBE BRYANT.’
Well, they only had 3.6 seconds in which to execute it.
But it was a play. KG set a screen to take Paul’s man off him, and Bogut was left about 6-7 feet off of Pierce on the switch – too far to really contest even at his height. So PP had plenty of room, took the shot, it went in and it went out.
Every other player on the C’s had a job to do on the play to either create space for Pierce or to recieve a pass from him (not that their was time for that).
This is NBA basketball, not playground pickup.
I didn't see that play
I saw Paul having to fall backwards to create space for a desperation shot.
Unfortunately, I’ve already erased that game from my DVR. (I tend to do that when I wanna forget something.)
And Paul is still no Kobe. He’d be wise to recognize that. I know confidence if important, but it’s possible his goes too far… all this “I’m the best in the world” stuff has got to stop, ‘cause it’s ridiculous.
i just watched it.
It happened as I described it.
Then I have to take your word for it
(But he did fall backwards, that I remember.)
Perkins stank
was he ’bored" ?
does he even look at the rim when he makes those hook shots ?
Perk was the main reason we lost.
like Doc just said – “we need to get Ray more shots”
I’d rather see Sheed start at Center
but what do i know
+1
Ray
How could we only get three shots for our most productive offensive player? Pierce still can’t hit the elbow J and his forays to the rim result in emphaticf rejections. Sure hope he can get his legs back or we’re toast.
by McHaleinthepost on Mar 9, 2010 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Almost pulled it out.....
But with 2 of our big 3 struggling in Ray and Piece we just did not have enough to win.
Benched played great though.
the bench didn't get enough minutes in the second.
They basically held the lead in the second half while they were in. The starters gave it up when the Bucks went on that 10-0 run (to go from down 76-79 to up 86-79).
so let me get this right
perk has a really bad game and now hes not any kind of player??? i think thats a bit of a stretch.. bogut has been eating most people up on a nightly basis the second half of the season
You have to admit, Perk has been on a downward spiral for awhile
He has had a good game here or there, but for the last six weeks he has looked really bad.
Did I say that?
I am just saying he has played poorly for a fairly long stretch.
No. Again, it just backs up my point
That this team, as presently constituted, will not win a championship. Perk is a much weaker player without a 100 percent KG.
I agree that Perk’s game has been down for a while, but tonight he was playing a very good player. I don’t really see Bogut getting much credit, just Perk is a bum kind of sentiment. Personally I think they should’ve doubled more and made Jennings a shooter.
pekins excuse
every time he gets dominated its cause he is playing good people lopez bogut if he was good he would dominate them cmon guys
I’d say if he was dominant he would dominate them. Bogut and Lopez are very good players, and they’re both better than Perk. It doesn’t mean Perk isn’t good.
Good point
Bogut is terrific. Really a top-flight center. Perk didn’t get it done but he had a huge challenge.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
pekins
1 block bobcats
0 blocks wizards
1 block nets
what defines this bum never double digits in rebounding doesnt score doesnt block shots what makes him good??
I don't know anymore
Perk’s been pretty disappointing lately.
THEY ARE DONE. IT’S TOO HARD FOR THEM TO GET OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS. DON’T WORRY WE HAVE ANOTHER TWENTY SOME ODD YEARS TO GET ANOTHER BID THREE
by Precious Graham on Mar 9, 2010 10:46 PM EST reply actions
seriously why not start Sheed at center
show Perkins he better shape up.
Sheed is a bigger offensive threat.
He’s won championships.
Perk doesn’t have as much talent as Sheed.
Perkins doesn't deserve ALL of the blame
I’m not a huge Perk fan (I think healthy KG makes him look way better than he is), but he does not deserve all of the blame. Some match-ups are just not favorable and the COACH has to recognize that and adjust. Bogut at this point needs a double team and he wasn’t really doubled at all. With Jennings shooting as miserable as he is, you’d think they would at least send Rondo at Bogut. It didn’t really happen.
We didn't need to double Bogut
We just needed to put Sheed on him.
Doubling centers is not what the Celtics do, and considering the Bucks only scored 86 as a result, I’m ok with that. Bogut had a good game, but if it wasn’t him if we doubled him, it’d be someone else.
The turnovers need to stop, IMO.
Bogut had a GREAT game
not just good. I would have rather rolled the dice with 30% shooting Jennings than 60% Bogut imho
Well throwing some double teams on him would of been nice...
I agree putting Rasheed on Bogut more often would of been nice since he did do a bit better job on him tonight then Perk with his extra length and bulk.
I don’t know what the numbers say, but my impression was Sheed was having just as much trouble with Bogut. He seemed to be reaching and trying to steal without much success.
the numbers say Sheed played a LOT better tonight than Perk
That isn’t always or even usually going to be the case.
But tonight, we would have been much better with Sheed in the post down those last 6 minutes of the game.
Much as I dislike Sheed's game lately
I agree. Would have been better than Perk.
Maybe Doc kept him out because he saw him standing around on defense… On one memorable play – that Doc may have noticed – he let Bogut run right around him and grab an offensive rebound, surrounded by Cs, for a putback. Sheed could have stopped him by just moving a few inches to his right… but failed to do it. Just stood there, STILL, watching the whole thing unfold. Plays like that might make a coach sit a guy, even when he’s sorely needed out there.
I doubt it.
More likely Doc was simply hoping Perk would snap out of it. Doc believes in the law of averages. I.E. players returning to their normal form over the course of the game. Most of the time they do. Sometimes they don’t. Perk didn’t.
I believe Doc is dead wrong
…in his apparent belief (still hope it’s not true) that players “return to the norm” INTRA-GAME. Gotta say… that is one stupid point of view, imo. Because they do not. Slumps do NOT last 90% of games!
man i just tired of being madd we lose to these teams,,
by x34celtics34x on Mar 9, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
i was just kidding celts people overreact
we lose a road game to a 5 seed in the east and u would think the world was ending
If that happens
….you are right, for a change… it doesn’t matter.
Of course it doesn't matter
As long as I have you and jbuell719 to give me all of my opinions and share all of your immense basketball expertise with me, the world is fine.
im just trying to say what i saw.. im not trying to change ur opinion
sorry for disagreeing vinnie but i see some things differently
well vinnie
i dont expect to sweep all playoff teams therfore we will lose some games in the playoffs!! u lose to good teams in the regular season.. its a fact of life
Here is the positive
KG played well, although I thought he got burned on defense. Rondo played well and was an outstanding 8-9 from the line. The defense played well.
Here again is the difference between many of us fans. Several believe that at some point during the regular season, the Celtics actually have to start beating good teams and not just playing well and losing. Others feel that the regular season does not matter and the Celtics will turn it on in the playoffs and win the championship. The two sides will never come to an agreement on this issue — until the season is over, one way or the other.
KG burned?
who was burning him Bah Mboute? The defense played well because KG was out there moving like a mad man on D.
KG definitely was NOT getting 'burned'
Mboute only scored 2 pts.
KG looked real good on the breakaway pass from Pierce that he finished with a slam. And he also converted a nice alley-oop from Rondo.
KG was not the problem tonight. Defense overall wasn’t the problem.
Poor shooting from Pierce, Perk & Ray was the problem. If those guys convert just 2 of the 19 shots they collectively missed …
About what?
Remember, they had a five point lead, went down 7 (12 pt turnaround) and had to struggle for a (missed) shot at overtime. Where that silver lining?
good and bad...
KG looked phenomenal physically-speaking…great rebounding, great shooting. Rondo was phenomenal from the free throw line…8 of 9, right? Also great playmaking and leadership.
But what the hell is up with Perk, Ray, and Paul? Ray just simply never got the chance to take many shots at all. Why? Get him the ball!!
Perk…well, he always plays badly against centers like Kaman and Bogut. Still, he has got to STOP those stupid moving screens at crucial points in the game. I was screaming for Doc to put Sheed in!! Sheed was playing great defense, and he deserved to close out the game. What the hell doc!!!
Finally, Paul. Seriously, what is up with Paul? I liked the offensive aggressiveness later in the game, and the overall defense, but where has his mid-range jumpshot gone? He has totally lost it. This team will not go far if he can’t hit that shot. And seriously, why did HE take the last shot. Give it to Jesus Shuttlesworth for crying out loud!!
Ashtray Bouquet
I'm hoping that's why
It’s too bad because i thought Paul moved relatively well. He wasn’t overdribbling and losing the ball. He got where he wanted to go with ease. He just can’t seem to finish right now.
I hope he gets that mid-range shot back…it’s easy to forget how much it used to be the offensive bread and butter of this entire team!
Ashtray Bouquet
I actually hope that's NOT why
but it did look like he was holding it late in the game after a foul or a scrum on one play.
I’m gonna to choose to think that slumps happen. Hopefully this one is short-lived and he’ll snap out of it next game.
i'm willing to go along with that
because he shot soooo well in the bobcats game. If he were having trouble getting good shots off in the first place, or if he were turning the ball over too much like he did a month ago, THEN I would be worried.
It is at least encouraging that his movement was good, and his shot selection was good. They just simply aren’t falling. I do forget that he’s only been in for 4 games since coming back from injury, right? Hopefully he just needs to acquire the flow.
Ashtray Bouquet
jbuell
dude u like comment on everyone’s post and say the contrary to everything whats the deal
Hey, Dont worry; Its only March; They are bored; and the Refs have it against us. Relax. Everything will fall into place come playoffs. We got the best coach in the league; Easy . Doc is just trying to mislead the other coaches into believeing he cant coach. What a surprise he has in store for them! Perk? One of the top 3 cebnters in the league; a defensive demon with an unstoppable hook shot. Dont worry. you just have to be patient. Everything will fall in its place. I guarantee that.
hey Rey
Just saying hello.
Keep fightin’ the good fight, amigo.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:09 AM EST up reply actions
Paul looked good too
…physically. He was VERY active, played with full energy, especially on D, where he was just all over the place. He just couldn’t hit his jumper. It happens. But both PP and KG looked physically great.
I believe it too.
I just got done replying above that slumps happen. Then I scrolled down and saw this post.
agreed
there was one point where Pierce nearly had a 3 pt play…that was eventually overruled as a charge. Good aggressiveness there. Other than that, good ability to get quality shots off, but very, very bad shooting touch.
When our two main scorers shoot like this, it is hard to win. I would say that this won’t be happening very much very often from here on out.
Ashtray Bouquet
Eh, his defense got better as the game went on, but he gave up 7 points in the first when the Bucks went up 17-10. Thought he got fouled didn’t get back, Bucks scored on disorganized defense. Lollygagged the next play or the one after and Rondo had to pick up Delfino, got posted up, easy bucket. Then sagged off Delfino who drained a three. He’s been having too many spurts like that lately.
Paul's D picked up in Q2
All of a sudden, he was like whirling dervish out there… just going nuts on defense. It was great to see. Energy to spare. And it was effective
Unfortunately, no amount of energy and good health will bring back a jumper that’s not working. Time will do that….. we hope.
Didn't contest Delfino to speak of
Open from the arc mostly
by nba is the worst on Mar 10, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Actually he did
… and quite well, after that point in the 2nd quarter.
Agreed
He missed some shots, didn’t get a couple calls.
It’s one of his more lively games lately.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY HE IS ONE STEP AWAY FROM A RETIREMENT HOME.
by Precious Graham on Mar 9, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well lets not bench Perk..
But when he struggles we should play Sheed more since he is the only other big we can turn to.
agreed. Its all about matchups.
Sometimes you want Perk’s vertical game. He’s a better blocker, rebounder and finisher directly under the basket.
Othertimes you need Sheed’s more robust set of moves from 4 feet off the basket and ability to hit jumpers and set screens without moving his feet.
This business of signing your posts "+1"
is highly amusing.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:10 AM EST up reply actions
is it me
Or does pierce look more and more like a set shooter these days? His bread and butter mid-range game is nowhere to be founf and he can’t beat his man off the dribble (Salmons, no less). This is now becoming a real concern.
by McHaleinthepost on Mar 9, 2010 10:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
All you sarcastic, pathetic negativists
…should get in a room and throw darts at each other.
Bottom line: the Cs played a tough game, and almost won, despite having NO input from Ray or Paul on offense, NO input from Perk or Sheed on defense, and lots of bad calls (mostly charges) from ref Kogut. So stop your happy gurgling over the fact that they lost. If you really want your team to lose, why are you not Nets fans?
Once again, thanks for playing the role of board arbiter
We all keep forgetting that yours is the only valid opinion here. Whether it is on medical issues or the actual game, you are the guru. Thanks for sharing all of your expertise with us.
Forgot, love the phrase "almost won"
That would be good if this were a CYO league, because everyone gets trophies anyway — even for almost winning.
I have to agree...
With DRJ1. “Throw in the towel”, Kenny Yams is saying? Hey, if you wanna do that, does that mean you’re not watching anymore games? : D
Still cant close out
They were lucky to be in it having kicked away a 5 pt lead and fallen down seven.
throw in the towel
we’re as good as gone if we play like this in the first round….all the young teams that are battling for a playoff spot at the bottom of the conference will come in and kick our tails in the first round at this rate
We lost by 2
On the road, after being down 7 with 2 minutes to go. Get a grip.
Popovic vs Doc
I really wonder what the C’s record would be with Gregg Popovic as coach.
Thoughts?
no actually
i gave Doc a four year grace period after the title.
BUT I do think he is a mediocre coach who won with great talent. Now the talent is slightly diminished but the drop off has been more precipitous than you might expect.
That’s the other question… what were the expectations for this team coming into the season?
anybody ever notice
how many more comments there are for losses as opposed to wins?
I've always thought
…that was because coming out to blog makes people feel better after a disappointing experience. But who knows? I could be way off base, and they could be coming out because, like SOME people we know (ahem), they revel in misery.
Anyway… can’t wait for the playoffs already. I figure things’ll get real slow around here then. :)
I don't think there's a poster who would disagree
We got RASHEED m’f’n WALLACE
on this team and he’s coming off the bench ?
For Kendrick Perkins ?
Who’s can sink more points
Who do you want at the FT line when you need that +1 +1
He’s RASHEED
ok that’s all I gotz 2 say
Rasheed obv isnt the same rasheed from three years ago
thats the difference… but i do agree he should have seen more minutes tonight
Didn't he know he would come off the bench when he signed?
That can’t be the reason he has decided he doesn’t have to play any D. His offense hasn’t been that great either btw.
Funny -- I think my stat is playing the team when they are .500
Because I am sure the Celts have beaten teams that werre under .55 when they played them and might be .500 or over. I also just looked it up and that is the number I got 13-16.
not sure vinnie
but espn has them as 20-15
And NESN has them at 18-15 against .500 or better teams
After tonight’s loss. Go figure
I figured it out
it is 13-16 against teams with a better than .500 record, 20-15 against teams with a record of .500 or better!
This in a nutshell sums up this year's biggest problem
They’re only 19th in points scored (98.6) and they’re dead last in rebounding (38.8), and it’s not because they’re shooting at a high percentage. They’re ranked 27th in points scored in the third quarter (23.5) and 25th in the fourth quarter (23.3).
vinnie come on really?
they are fourth in fg% which means more in term of rebounding than points scored
Other than the field goal percentage
What about the other stats I noted? You don’t see any of them as problematic?
i defenitiely see them as a problem
but the celtics do not get as many chances at rebounds then other teams because of their high percentage from the floor… i think the biggest problems are rebounding which u stated and turnovers.. with turnovers being number one for me…
my point is that higher fg% means less rebound opps.
right thats def an issue
but the reason for this is the turnovers.. stop the turnovers and the more the points come.. so i just think they go hand in hand… as u know..
not trying to lecture just trying to tell u what i see
It's not that Perk was so bad....
It’s that Bogut is so good. He keeps playing like that, he will be the best 5 in the league in another year or two. And to think a year or two ago they said he was a bust. Yeah right. he got game.
Brandon Jennings = meh
I’m not that impressed. He’s fast but that’s only because he ways 160 lbs soaking wet. Tyreke Evans seems much better bet than him. (rookies)
Only Rondo, because of his age, has an outside chance of being in the next Celtic team that wins that número 18. Nobody else, and I mean, nobody else presently playing will be on that team; and you can take that to the bank. We got 1 flag with the present team after a 20 year wait. Enjoy it cause its the only one we are going to see them win. its not negativism; He who does’nt believe this is in total denial. So be it.
Memphis is going DOWN tomorrow night
C’s are ready to lay down the gauntlet.
I can feel it.
atta boy snowball POSITIVITY!!!!!
i expect a good performance tomm night
One more thing
After hearing that little twerp Jennings was mouthing off
at The Big Ticket on his way to the locker room
there is no doubt in my mind
The C’s will absolutely SCHOOL these Bucks
in the playoffs.
Talk about Deer in the Headlights
KG must be livid.
Jennings YAK YAK YAK
He was really running his mouth.
Nothing wrong with that. His team won, and KG does plenty of talking.
I like this Bucks team. Skilled and feisty, even if they still lack a second star.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh come on...
Our guys talk constantly. We can hardly begrudge Jennings his words. Especially because for all we know KG said something first.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
KG talks on the court.. not off..
jennings needs to learn some respect.. hes a punk whos done nothing in this league.. prove something before u start running ur mouth
Well, his guys beat Boston
So I think he’s entitled.
I have no idea why I’m prolonging this exchange :+)
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Garnett never shuts up and his play, (injuries considered) isn’t coming close to matching his yap. He should just shut up and play. When his game gets back to where it was…..Then yap. But when Andray Blatche is embarassing you…For God’s sakes, focus. When you’re losing to teams who’s combined salaries don’t approach your’s, just shut up.
by Finkelskyhook on Mar 10, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, please
The trash-talking/taunting/general boorish behavior is a two-way street.
Let’s not start customizing the rules just to make the guys in green look more acceptable/classy.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:16 AM EST up reply actions
do our guys trash talk after the game on the way to the tunnel??
very rarely do i see that from this team with the exception of the rondo/paul incident which i also think was way out of line on rondo’s part..
i dont think there is any room for the off the court stuff after a game
Hilarious!
Nice to see a PG giving classless KG a dose of his own bs
by nba is the worst on Mar 10, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
WANTED: Celtics Offense
Where in gods name did this teams offense go…there was a point in the season where we played noooo defense and now we play noooo offense and only defense. Some balance would be terrific and probably lead to some wins. Hopefully we find that come playoffs.
How did the Bucks get chemistry so fast?
Made all of these moves at the all star break and now they have the best record in the league since the break. I don’t get it — seriously.
They started well too
Skiles gets his guys to play hard (before he alienates them). Think the chemistry was there early and Salmons gives them another useful part. Plus Bogut, who’s made a leap this year it seems…
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Some guys are so hard to please….its either 82-0 or nothing for them. Can you give the team a break once in a while? The team bashing for losing against the Nets was justified…but tonight? C’mon. This was a good game. 40-22 is a good record.
Remember the boasting from some of the players before the season started
That this team could win 70-plus games. Just saying.
i think wed be a different team if everybody stayed healthy the whole year
which is what rasheed was basing his prediction on and he was the only one talking 70 wins
I wonder
if Sheed said that while he was planning to give a half-assed effort all year.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Funny
‘Cause there was only one player who said that, and it was in response to the specific question about beating the Bulls’ record. Twas Sheed who said they could.
But I just keep saying to myself… he’s gonna turn it on for the playoffs, he’s gonna turn it on for the playoffs……..
I think he will actually
Relatively speaking that is. I think we’ll get a few good games out of him per series.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
It was but one player. I don’t remember anyone else saying that. BTW, may I please ask you this? What will it take for the Celtics to please you? 20-0 run for the rest of the season? sweep every team on way to the championship? Geez man, how do you live with such a negative outlook.?
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
...and seriously
what would you say if you were in Rasheed’s shoes? He was asked if this team was good enough to challenge the Bulls record…and he said yes. The season had not even begun. Seriously, if you were in his shoes, would you have said., " No, we aren’t good enough to do that" . I doubt you would have.
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
It's not as black-and-white as you make it
There are countless ways to evade that sort of question, as players do all the time when asked about records and other issues external to their locker room.
Some variation of “We’re not worried about that, we’re just taking things one game at a time, we just want to be the best we can be every day” cliche combination would have sufficed just fine.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:19 AM EST up reply actions
How about beating good teams on a regular basis
How about not talking in the papers about how bored they are? That is insulting to me and other season ticketholders? How about some consistency both in terms of effort and performance? I have followed this team for 45 years and have had season tickets twice — for 10 years this time around and for about 6 years during the bird era. Yes, I had season tickets for the 19-game losing streak, and you know what? I actually loved that team because it worked its ass of every single night. And I was there to cheer them on. I don’t need any lecturing on being a Celtics fan or how to be a fan. If I wasn’t a fan I would not be here.
I highly doubt..
….you are a season ticket holder. I suggest you invest some money and buy a TiVo or some sort of recording device. That way, you can watch the games Celtics lose and feel good about yourself and your predictions.
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
OK -- wanna know where I sit?
Section 10, row 13, seats 1 and 2. The tickets $90 a pop, but they are $105 seats I believe. We got moved to this section after the championship year because they put a press section in where we used to sit, which was near the Celtics bench. They gave us a discount on the new seats for two years because they moved us, but they cannot continue the discount for next season. I used to take my son to every game, but he is now at prep school so he can only go to some games with me. I either sell the other tickets or take friends. The cost of the tickets is getting quite high (I have a 22-game package) and I might not be able to afford to renew for next year. The total bill I got two weeks ago for playoffs and renewal for next year is more than $7,000. That enough for you barefacedmonk?
So, do they also give out complimentary Aspirins with your ticket? I mean, that much negativity at a live game has to be dangerous, right?
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
You and your 18 posts here certainly have a lot of gravitas -- NOT
I am done wasting my time with you
Careful.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:22 AM EST up reply actions
What's the need for that?
Forgetting momentarily the fact that vinnie has been fairly outspoken about his experience as an STH during his tenure on the blog, what basis do you have at all to cast him – or any of our members – as a liar?
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:21 AM EST up reply actions
This is fair
I think Vinnie is getting a pretty unfair rap here mostly because people don’t agree with his take on the team. It’s pretty reasonable to hold the opinions he does given the kind of year it’s been. As it is, to be more optimistic.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
…and I’m not calling out anyone specifically, but guys like Vinnie( I’m just using you as an example..this is not directed at you personally), I have to ask you all this: How did you survive the pre-championship era? I mean, you are so negative with a 40-22 record, I can only imagine what it must have been back then. Have faith my friends, we are good..I believe that.
Why is it negative to post fact?
I have explained this a million times. I do not believe this team will not win the championship. I simply do not think it is good enough. I post facts like how poor the offense is in the third and fourth quarters. I post facts like something is wrong with the offense when Ray Allen, who has been the best offensive player since the break, gets only THREE shots in an entire game. I post facts like a mediocre record against good teams. I post facts like how poorly they have played against Cleveland, Orlando, Atlanta, and the Lakers. Yes, I am pessimistic about the teams chances this year.
I will say it again — there are two strong-willed sides here — those who see nothing but good and those of us who believe the horrible fact that the Celtics will not win this year. And, there will be no coming togehter until the season ends. If you want to call that negative, be my guest.
So, I assume you watch the Celtics games just so you can feel good about how good a job you are doing spreading your negativity? I mean, if you think they aren’t good enough, why watch?
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
You are welcome…and you can never live upto my expectations. Pray you can live upto your own expectations(Celtics related)…I mean, that much negativity is too much for even you.
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's not true that I don't see anything but good
I see the bad very well. I just think that on balance, the good on this team still far outweighs the bad, and also that virtually ALL the bad could, should, go away by the time the playoffs begin.
On another note, about you Vinnie:
Since you are clearly a major fan, with season tickets, lots of emotion about the Cs, etc… this is my theory on why you post SO much negativity. It is because you secretly WANT US TO CONVINCE YOU OTHERWISE.
To that end…… you’re welcome.
Truthiness not truth
Vinnie, my man, you forget that we live social landscape where facts dont count. Folks “create their own reality” while the reality-based world goes its merry way. Of course, when the facts come back to bite them, they will still complain. The refs did it. Its the medias fault. Bad bounce/stroke of luck.
Reality is full of random events
… and luck plays a role in many aspects of life, including basketball. To win a championship, you need a LOT of luck. A short list of luck-influenced key factors, in descending order: health (#1 by far), refs, ball bounces, critical shots.
Part of the reason for their loss last night had to do with bad luck. Several bad bounces of the ball, several bad calls by the refs. If any ONE of those had gone the other way, they would have won. And that’s why it’s impossible to win every game, even if you are playing hard and you have more talent than your opponents.
They ought to change the rules on this blog (sarcasm coming)
You can only post positive things. If you break the rule you have a timeout. Breaking the rules three times and you get banned. There are two sides here, with a large group in the middle. Look at the poll results from about a month ago when Jeff asked if the team could win the championship. Those who sad definitely yes and those who said definitely no were about equal. Everyone else was in the middle saying if everything goes right the Celtics could win it. I don’t need people telling me what to post and what not to post.
I am not targetting you or even DRJ1. You guys are spirited and I like that
I love this freaking team and cannot stand to see them play the way they do. I would not spend time here or thousands a year on tickets if I did not love them. I would not spend time here if I did not love them. My emotions get the best of me when it comes to this team and I am sad about where I see the season ending. I don’t appreciate newbies coming her and lectuing me and others, however. I love getting into it, however, with you and DRJ1 because you guys watch the games, know the sport and know the team.
newbies?
…so because you registered and started posting before me, that makes your opinions really valued and spread your never ending negativity? Whatever…I hope you enoy your “senior” status.
Good night. I hope you sleep well after such a tough loss.
by barefacedmonk on Mar 9, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
The one being negative here is you. Give it a rest.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 9, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
thanks vinnie i apprecitate that
i would never question ur fandom and really dont question many of the posters who have more of a negative tone..
they have had a reason at many times this season but my way of rooting is to just to stay positive and try to llok for bright spots in tough situations…. it makes it much easier for me to deal with the losses and i also believe that we are turning a corner however so slowly since the break sans 2nd half vs cavs and the nets game
I'm gonna repost what I just said upstairs, to Vinnie
Since you are clearly a major fan, with season tickets, lots of emotion about the Cs, etc… this is my theory on why you post SO much negativity. It is because you secretly WANT US TO CONVINCE YOU OTHERWISE.
To that end…… you’re welcome.
The difference
…between you and all those others who do not think the Celtics “can” win a championship…. is (a) most of them probably misunderstood the question (“can” does not = “will”). But more relevant is that (b) you are one of the very few who seem to take PLEASURE in our team’s losses and failures… rather than lamenting them and seeking ways to improve. That’s the difference. Now you think about that, then tell us WHY you seem so gleeful when they lose.
Pkeasure -- DRJ1 -- if you could see my hair after every game!
Seriously, it drives me freaking crazy the way the play. No pleasure, only pain, when they lose. Only pain. Long, slow, pain.
lol
damn… and there I was waving goodbye already……………..
The best fan night of my life
Was game 6 of the 2008 championship. To be able to be there and share it with my 13-year-old son and all of my fellow fans who had suffered together for many years was unreal. My marriage, and having my two kids are really the only things that topped that night. The bond that developed between me and my son and between us and the rest of the fans was truly amazing. I hope to feel that again sometime — but both I and my son will be older!
Now that would be something, wouldn't it
I swear, if they win it all, I will need to either take you and DRJ1 toa nice dinner or figure out something else to reward you guys fo ryour undying faith!
how bout seats for the championship clincher!!! haha... ur son already got to see on right? haha j/k
Funny thing is.....
Since we only have a 22-game package, we only get our seats for half the playoff games. Both last year and the championship year we bought seats for all of the games we did not have from either one of the ticket brokers or ebay or wherever we could get them. It was fun moving around the garden to see the games from different angles.
well im a native new yorker and its tough for me to get to boston with my job
ive never been to a celts playoff game kind of a dream of mine… im planning on it this year!!
Noe -- you and Buell got me hanging on the ledge
And I will be there Friday night cheering them on against the GODAWFUL Pacers!
This loss is on Doc
Keeping an overmatched Perkins in the game when the Celtics were having problems getting anyone open was a huge mistake. Teams know they can jam the Celtics two outside threats and pack the paint. In case Rivers has missed the memo, the NBA game has changed (though not for the better). If you do not put enough shooters on the floor, you cannot win against teams playing zones.
did i miss something??
when did the bucks play a zone because i didnt see it?
tip the cap to the bucks, bogut is a beast
this would make one hell of a first round matchup. the chippyness and trash talking only adds to the intensity. and in my opinion, that’s when the c’s are at their best.
Agree... Bogut's a beast
Would love to have him. But in a 7-game series, the Bucks don’t have a chance, in my view. All these mistakes by the Cs and guys not playing right… are not going to be repeated very often.
As I said earlier
All these things you point to… Ray only getting 3 shots, Paul missing everything, Perk lost in space, rebounds bouncing right through 3 Cs and into a Buck’s hands, the ref calling several non-existent charges… all these things that happened tonight (a) are NOT going to all happen together again, which bodes well for future games, and (b) did not stop the Cs from coming within 1 made basket of tying the game.
So… this was NOT a terrible game. It was tough game. But not one that worries me a whole lot.
And KG!
10 rbds in 31 minutes. 7-13 shooting. ACTIVE on d. Plus an alley oop finish on one break. And he was consistently ahead of the pack in transition.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 10, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
KG looked physicallly strong tonight
God — please let it continue!
1/2 Right
The bounces, the calls they come and go. Perks sulks are an on going reality. Pauls struggles an ongoing reality. Scoring in the teens in the 4th. Ongoing. Role players jacking up too many shots (9 for Perk, last night, 12 for Davis 2 games go. Ongoing. 4th qtr meltdowns. Ongoing.
Some of it may be fixable. But to say it was just one game when this has been going on since January. Whatever.
Well, that's the point of the word "All"
It’s just not going to happen very often that ALL these things get together in one game, especially Ray getting 3 shots, the luck factors, and yes, I’m counting Paul being so off his game in that group.
I sure HOPE it’s right to put Paul in that group. He is worrisome.
We could beat the Cavs Sunday
Hate to look ahead but it’s really looming as a game where we can win and feel like there’s a build to a playoff run going on.
What are the rules?
Do I have to be nice to the moronic trolls? Or can I suggest they’re pathetic losers who should know better than to troll other team’s boards, particularly when their team isn’t even playing ours?
Anyway, if I can’t suggest they’re losers, I won’t.
by TheOutletPass on Mar 10, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
u cant call other posters names.. keep it clean and try to remember for the most part we all want this team to win
if ur what they call “overly positive” like myself just say positive and try to get ur points across in a respectful way… Cavsfaninlv has been around for awhile and the banter with him is fun and keeps the mood light
There are very few obvious, real trolls here
‘Cause they get bounced pretty quickly. Though… I’m not sure about about “nba is the worst”…….. hmmmmm
Not a troll.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'll take that on faith in you, Steve.
But he basically acts like one.
Appreciate the respect, m^5 (which is mutual)
while from the angle of being a mod, I’m reluctant to get into discussing specific posters in public on site, I would offer a reminder (and forgive me, because I think you are fairly cognizant of this and general) that there’s a notable difference between offering an oft-times dissenting viewpoint and trolling.
nba is the worst caught some initial flak from the membership when he first arrived here for his pseudonym (which, of course, as both a pro hoops lover and former employee of the league, I thought was understandable) but did explain it at some point (wish I had time to go find the link, my apologies). Aside from that, I stand by my general comment above as just as applicable to said poster as to anyone else.
Sorry for the pseudo-dissertation there.
-sw
Growing up in the Weinman household, you learn two rules very quickly if you aspire to reach double-digits in the years-of-age category: Hate thy Knick, hate thy Yankee.
Go Celtics, Go Dodgers. -sw
by Steve Weinman on Mar 10, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
no problem
The username is fine – I actually like it.
But repetitively spouting nearly the same exact negative harp again and again, especially without consideration for context in a manner that seems designed to agitate the main audience of this blog is borderline trolling. When one repeats assertions that have been repeatedly discredited, to that same purpose, it is over the border.
I like the name too
Because it’s right – in terms of the officiating, and in terms of some of Stern’s leadership decisions and actions. As for why I asked the question in the first place… I concur with m’s post.
The officiating IS the reason for the name
And how my stating the celts window of opportunity for a title is closed has been “discredited”, certainly isn’t confirmed…
by nba is the worst on Mar 14, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Cant spell the word suck or choke without the letter C
n the celtics are doing a good job of putting their mark on those words
what sucks is that we can never get a good game out of every big three member anymore
today kg beasts it, but paul throws up a stinker and ray doesn’t even shoot. ray did well last game, but pierce and kg were off-colour
in the championship year all 3 could turn it on during a game. not the case now. heck, we could probably win most games if we could get good games from two out of the three, but no dice
It happens
And we win those games… so we quickly forget. The main point to remember is that this team is HEALTHY now. KG – almost 100%. Paul – just needs to finish getting his shot back. Ray – just fine, thank you iron man. Everybody else – good.
If we stay that way… and that’s the one and only open question for me… this team can tear through the playoffs.
Doc is too rigid
I don’t understand why most of the starters sit the end of the 3rd and then right up to 6m left in the game, almost every night. Even when the second team is doing well, the other team makes its stretch run and our starters have to come in cold to try to respond to it. Is this part of his effort to keep the old guys down near 30 minutes? Isn’t there a better way of doing it?
Same with not being able to pull Perk when he was getting mauled. Doc is so committed to staying the course and not panicking that it becomes a lack of flexibility.
starters aren't gettting it done
sooner or later our starters need to get the job done. If not then DOc needs to change the starting lineup. I would seriously consider starting Sheed and bring perk off the bench. Maybe that would help perk focus on his job. I thought we went to perk way too often on the offensive end and he when he didn’t deliver it hurt him on the other end. we had zero ball movement and zero player movement to start the game. It was like our guys were planted in cement both on O and D. Everyone is focusing on Pierce going 3 for 13 but I was more concerned about his horrible defense. Carlos Delfino!!!?? are you kidding me? When did he become an all star? Pierce sure made him look like all world. I know Paul was frustrated by the lack of calls but c’mon dude you have to get back on defense instead of standing in the backcourt and pouting. THis reminds me of the paul pierce from 3 years ago. Honestly if I were the coach and I saw that I would immediately sub him. I really think Doc is way too soft on these guys. He had no problem yanking Nate after that bonehead possession but he doesn’t apply the same standard to pierce ,perk and the others. How best player for the last month has been Ray and he got only 3 shots. THREE SHOTS!! How can the coach not address that at halftime? One thing is pretty clear to me already and that is that Nate is not a point guard either. Here we gave up eddie and a bunch of young guys to get a point guard and now we see he’s not a point guard. THis is just a joke. Finally, why was TOny allend a DNP? Delfino and salmons were killing us. Quis and TOny needed to be in that game since ray and paul weren’t doing anything. I really think the best second unit for Nate is Nate,tony,quis, Sheed and Baby.. this was another depressing loss and once again my glass is half empty
I thought Paul's D
…really picked up in the 2nd quarter. And that it was just his O that continued to suffer.
Terrible last SHOT!
Gotta give it to Ronald McDavis…
It would have went down…. he would have shoved a 11 year court-side bucks fan three rows back…. all is back to normal.
I'm not ok with it
…not when Paul had already missed 8 jumpers in that game. It’s weird that Doc thinks that an ice-cold player will, somehow, snap out of it for the game-winner. It’s ridiculous, magical/wishful thinking.
I got 1/2 of my wish...
I thought both teams played pretty consistent defense last night and, even though the shots were not falling, the Celts were in the game until the end. We only lost by a rimmed out three pointer by Paul…sometimes they fall and sometimes they don’t. I still am not sold on Davis and I hope Perk’s play can pick up a little…Like it or not, you have to give the Bucks credit, they played well and it was a good matchup.
by thirstyboots18 on Mar 10, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
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