Win One For The Doctor?
I read the rumor about Doc contemplating retirement the other day and I've been chewing on it ever since. When I listened to Doc's interview on Mike & Mike this morning I was struck by the fact that he worked very hard to brush off the rumor without doing anything whatsoever to refute it. Maybe it is reading too much into it, but I'm more convinced than ever that Doc is leaning heavily towards leaving after this year. And I'll toss this out there for you to do your own chewing: Maybe Doc is happy that the story is out there.
Now, I find it somewhat hard to believe that Doc would plant this story just to get a rise out of his players. But why not shoot it down? Doc strikes me as being pretty straightforward but he knows that his words have weight as well. He's very media savvy and he knows what he says will have an impact on the players in his locker room - sometimes more impact than if he said something behind closed doors.
Perhaps he wants to give the players a little extra reminder that their time together as a core unit is limited and may be getting shorter by the day. I mean, most of us fans look at next year and don't give them much of a chance of limping through the regular season to compete for a title. We see this as their last shot anyway, but they might not see it that way. Don't forget how proud and self-assured (deluded?) these guys are. Maybe he thinks they need to know that this could very well be it. Ray could be gone. Doc could be gone. Lots of change is coming this offseason and it is hard to imagine the Celtics shifting on the fly this offseason to keep this train running without drastic change.
I think Doc sees that too. He says his decision is all about his family and I believe that. But it doesn't hurt that he's got a fantastic plan B if he decides to hang it up. He can get a part time gig doing TV commentary (with a flexible schedule to spend time with the family while keeping his name relevant) and pick and chose from a number of job opportunities that might come down the line. In fact, I've been sort of expecting something like this to happen since early in the season. Why would he want to stick around for the death rattle? Why would he want to hang around for another rebuilding plan? He did his time and was rewarded for his patience but that ring means he doesn't necessarily have to be patient any more.
So I have to say, I think he's leaning heavily towards leaving and I think he's fine with his players knowing it. I think he wouldn't mind seeing them rally around each other for one last push for a title. After all, what's the harm? It isn't like the team could play any worse than they have since Christmas.
The playoffs may be providing the team a fresh start, but they are also a reminder of the end that is fast approaching. So go out there and win one for the Gipper, ... I mean Doc.
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May not be a bad thing
Doc has done an above average job. But it is also about time to bring in a new coach with new ideas. More importantly, the Celics needs a guy who can coach Rondo and get Rondo’s attention.
McHale is available. Parish too ...
I guess not.
McHale would be a good replacement!
I have nothing bad to say about Doc…he’s done the best he can with the various personalities on this team. All the ups and downs of this team are on the players, not the coach. On the other hand, he’s been here for quite sometime so its time for a change…
Why would you be "concerned" Doc may be leaving?
I can take that to mean you think Doc is THE coach for this team going forward? Really? Not saying you are wrong but who really delivered Banner 17?
The players?
Danny? for his 5 year hail Mary pass in landing KG and Ray Allen?
Doc? in his superior player management skills and his motivating three future HOF players? (Do three future HOF players who were desperate for a ring really need motivating? Do they need “Managed”?
ohhh….wait ….wait …..you must be “concerned” about Doc leaving because of his superior development of young players? No?
Now don’t get me wrong Mr Ranter…..of course Doc has had a part in all this – and I think I know you pretty well (as you drive down the middle of the road in your neat and tidy Ford Taurus while holding both hands on the wheel) ……so……..
I think you were/are going to offer some rebuttal to all who say " good riddance to Doc" in this piece by saying something similar to what I just said (although in a bit more articulate and passionate manner).
You were/are going to say (in a POlitically correct manner) "Hey you Doc Haters!!! Doc has some issues but the players like him (players type coach), he developed Rondo (did he really?), and he had a huge role in bringing in Banner 17 by managing all the pieces just right and pushing just the right buttons at the right time (and let’s not forget that superior time-out management, etc etc…
I say I am neither concerned whether he stays or goes! Why because change can be good or for bad when losing a coach……but a winning another banner has more to do with the players on the floor and the savy skills of the GM than it does a coach (unless your name is Jerry Sloan or Red Auerbach) Think KC Jones in the 80’s…and see if you don’t agree.
Thank you and good night – and welcome back
Is it Soup Yet?
by Master Po on Apr 15, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
crazy to not give the head coach of an NBA team no credit
the guy who teaches all the offensive and defensive sets (clearly with some help) somehow doesn’t deserve any credit when you defeat lebron and kobe in the same playoffs… people dismiss the important of a head coach in the NBA all too easily, there are a number of coaches in this league right now that put in the same situation would not have led this team to a champsionship (lionel hollins? Kurt rambis? Mike d’antoni? to name a few)
no coach is perfect… you’re always going to disagree with decisions they make in regards to rotations, because everyone has their favorites!
and to not give him any credit for developign rondo is equally crazy… who else gets credit? was it one of the other former all star point guards we had around? sam cassell maybe?
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
by WillyBeamin on Apr 15, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
But there are people whose hatred of Doc is strong and steadfast and they attribute all Celtics player improvement to either Clifford Ray (if it’s a C’s big man) or to “it would have happened anyway.” More likely is that Rondo’s quick development is attributable, from a coaching POV, to Doc’s history at the position and abilities to impart knowledge.
Not for nothing did Rondo walk into Doc’s office yesterday worried that his coach might be leaving.
by TheOutletPass on Apr 15, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I love to get you guys going and the first post already mis- quoted and interpreted my words
NO CREDIT WILLY??? come on old man go back re-read….hahahaha
Is it Soup Yet?
and who said Rondo didn't like him and that he walked in Doc's office for NOTHING
come on man ….re-read
Is it Soup Yet?
My comment about Rondo
Wasn’t in response to your post. But to the majority (?) of Celticsblog posters who seem to think Doc was a bystander in Rondo’s development.
by TheOutletPass on Apr 16, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
PO
you know by now that I have waffled in the past on Doc, but I think when he does hang up his clip board that I’ll walk away thinking he was a pretty good coach and a good fit for this team overall – I would hate to see someone like that leave prematurely (though I think this offseason is actually a good time for him to leave)
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
sorry po
but it’s really hard to tell what the heck you mean when you write in such a backhanded manner.
Much of your post comes off as sarcasm…
“he developed Rondo (did he really?)”
“you must be "concerned" about Doc leaving because of his superior development of young players?”
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Jeff's original post
Jeff wrote: “Now, I find it somewhat hard to believe that Doc would plant this story just to get a rise out of his players. But why not shoot it down?”
This is all much ado about nothing. Doc DID shoot it down. He said this year is no different than any other. And as far as motivational talk goes – that strikes me as kind of silly. Paraphrasing him in an interview today (on a different topic), “any team that needs that kind of motivation at this time of year is in trouble.”
Health care reform passes...followed by Doc`s retirement
Coincidence or not?
I think doc has done a fine job as the coach
But has mad his mistakes too. He deserves credit in both directions. I would be totally fine to see him stay, yet would be totally open to change with Thibs sliding into the drivers seat.
by Warrior Spirit on Apr 16, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Please no.
Thibs has not shown he can run a game rotation in the small chances he’s got (i.e. when Doc has been ejected). Being a defensive guru and being able to manage floor minutes are two very different skills. A head coach can rely on an assistant for the former, but simply HAS to have the latter skill innately.
Next C's Coach is...
T squard …TOM TIBIDAEU.
Poor Thibs then
Talk about inheriting a team sinking fast. Garnett and Wallace are two giant millstones around the neck of this team for the next two years. At least in the 11/12 season there’ll be the possibility of trading them at the deadline, although I suspect Wyc would just let them expire then. No sense in staying in luxury tax land if you’re not a contender, which we won’t be in two years.
To the gist of the main point of the article....
Great thought.
Rallying around Doc “one last time” might be just what this team needs – the additional emotion they can’t seem to find by themselves and the incentive to push ‘all out’ – one last time.
This team needs something as a catalyst.
Larry Bird
Said it when he was offered the coaching job at the Pacers. He said something along the lines of "I only want to coach for 3 years because players start to tune you out after that". It may have happened with Doc’s "defense, defense, defense" preaching. Not that theirs anything wrong with D but people need to be stimulated with fresh ideas.
by Scal4theallstargame on Apr 16, 2010 1:13 AM EDT reply actions
Combined with Timmy D
They have created “Boring Dominance”
Worked quite well if you ask me.
"Morning yall up early w/ the babies watchn Dora. Seems Lamar can't keep my name out his mouth maby I need 2 put my sons shitty diaper n it"~Matt Barnes
Finally
Tom Thibodeau will get the head coaching job. I’m very excited to see him coach our team.
I think so too
Doc will probably tell Danny that Thibs is the best man for the job. I’m not too sure though if this is a good idea. I remember when Doc missed a game and Thibs kinda froze and left the same guys on the floor for practically the whole fourth quarter.
Then the C's can save $ on salary cap
Because they would only need five players!
Actually, I suspect Tom Thibodeau would do fine. (I hope!)
regardless of what happens
Doc is gone after this year. why would he stick around for the rebuilding? He does better with vets than with young players. He can take a year or two off and then pick whatever job he wants. No way that Tibbs is a head coach- not with this group at least. If you make him the coach you better turn over 90% of your roster because the vets aren’t going to play for him. My bottom line is that Danny will blow the whole thing up as soon as we’re out of the playoffs.
A warning?
I think it might be a subtle warning, mostly to Sheed but to others also: Since I’m outta here, I’ve got nothing to lose and won’t listen to management; I won’t take any crap, lazy, stupid play. Do that and I sit you on your arse.
Or maybe I just hope that’s what he’s doing.
Doc has nothing left to prove with this team, other than a repeat...
Everyone that called for Doc’s head during the losing years quickly saw what he could do with vets that could execute his plays. Doc’s play calling out of time outs is routinely praised by the national media.
Also to Doc’s credit, he realized he need help on the Defensive end & hire Thib. Not many NBA coaches will conceded to that, outside of Jim OBrien w/ Dick Harter, I can’t think of any other coaches with such a high profile Defensive specialist.
On the flipside, you can see where Doc might be thinking this is the end. Players & coaches do get tired of each other. The Big Three have peaked & the Big Two still have some growing up to do. Ainge will have his hands full trying to manage the transition from an older vet team to a younger one with cap constraints. You can’t blame Doc for wanting out.
In any case, Doc has earned his salary. Whatever he chooses to do, he’ll be in good company with the Celtics Hall of Fame coaches like Auerbach, Russell, Heinson, Fitch & Jones.
If Doc leaves I suspect it has far more to do with his sons being in H.S.
and not so much with ‘this being the end’.
The man has missed a lot of family time (They live in Orlando) and his sons are now going to be playing high school ball.



































