The Skirmish

There was already a stoppage in play when he " went to in bound the ball…" He is a lair and can’t stay on a team long enough to learn what team means. He’s a loser and he’ll always be one.

He’ll probably trade for Q-Rich next year.

its very funny to me how cowardice Q rich is. 1st off he was CLEARLY going over there to talk nonsense, and what right does he have to stand above pierce like hes big or sumthin?? like they said on CSNNE, pierce has outscored him 90-15 in the last 4 meetings. I’d be pretty mad too if i was gettin played off as a bum by pierce lol. and GUARANTEED Q rich doesnt drive to the basket for the rest of this series. If he does (which he most likely wont unless its on a fastbreak cuz hes a coward) he will get get fouled, and fouled HARD.

This link is good to see the skirmish from differrent angles. While I agree with everything you all are saying regarding Q Rich being a jerk and instigating the whole thing, KG threw a pretty vicious elbow that nailed Q. I just can’t see how he won’t get a one-game suspension.

because the elbow came loose while he was being pulled. it’d be another story if he and Q were just standing there and he let it go. also, he got thrown from the game, and that seems to matter. with howard’s suspension, he clearly threw the elbow to hit his opponent. kobe’s elbow at artest was in the middle of a scuffle for the ball (though i think it was deliberate) and he didn’t get suspended. KG’s elbow is the same.

KG has been relegated to a hatchet man. He has lost most of his skill level and now goes out and administers cheep shots to smaller players (usually guards). I have yet to see KG do anything to anyone his own size. It really is a sad ending to a once great player.

I was just watching this over and over in realtime and it all happened so fast. You don’t see the elbow unless you see it in slow motion. In realtime, you see KG and Richardson jawing, KG get surrounded and he’s being pushed from behind by Richardson and Haslem. He looks like he’s trying to get free and get out of there. In slow motion it makes it look worse than it was. Richardson shouldn’t have been that close to KG in the first place. Why was KG being grabbed and pushed? He was just standing there seeing if his teammate was alight. Haslem was pushing and shoving him and he fought his way out of there. Haslem also threw a high elbow at Davis so if KG’s elbow deserves a suspension, so does Haslem’s. O’neal shoved Davis to the floor. Again, in realtime it all happens in a matter of seconds and it looks like KG is trying to get out of a situation before it escalates. Unfortunately, an elbow flew as he was trying to escape, but he was being pushed and grabbed… and he got himself out of there in a hurry. Richardson had no business being there in the first place. Hav you ever seen a player hurt and down on the floor and an opposing player comes over to taunt? Richardson cold have easily avoided going over there but he didn’t. Don’t think the league will undrstand this since they’ll just stick to the rule about throwing elbows. It’s a shame.

q-rich is a disgusting big-time liar and 100% jerk. no way play would resume
immediately after pp went down, the refs were about to tell doc to take action on pierce
while he’s given uofficial injury time to be taken from the heat bench.
q-rich went there not to inbound the ball, coz you could see he was looking around
garnett towards pierce, not the motions you would go through if you would inbound
the ball.
just a big-time jerk of a liar!!!

I’m only upset that KG didn’t punch him in the face. What a punk…He sucks so he resorts to being bush league to make himself relevant.

Gotta love the homerism on this so called “skirmish”

firstly, its every other game pierce is on the ground overexxagerating an injury.
secondly, KG deserves a suspension and was the most classles one in the “skirmish”, throwing elbows, pushing refs, and being his typical loud mouth self, not to mention the fact that he loses his cool and gets tossed, posibly suspended in the first game of the playoffs.. just what u want from the “leader” of your team

suspended and it’s exactly what this group needs. What I mean is, assuming he does, it should work to galvanize this squad. They played excellent D last night in the second half and took a much better (then Miami that is) Orlando team to 7 games last year w/out KG and Rasheed so they can win at home without him again. This may actually unite this squad much more then might be expected. Some of the players who haven’t been contributing much, Rasheed, may get some of their fire back, and when KG does come back then the team gets even stronger. In KG’ defense, can you really ask a player of his intensity to back down in that situation. His intensity makes him the player he is and he is still much better then most here give him credit for being.

Confucius say lennz post has honorable self greatly concerned about the Miami school system.

KG can get suspended for game 2. If Stern wants to go by the “rules” and suspend him for that elbow. But then he should use those same “rules” to drop the hammer on the Heat.
The whole bench cleared and was on the floor, that is at minimum fines and maybe suspension themselves. Oneal was pretty aggressive himself towards BBD. Bench players from the Heat got involved.

Yes sir, we will trade KG suspension for the barrage of punishment that will come down on the Heat also, of course that is if Stern goes by the “rules”,

I think it’s important to notice that Pierce was legitimately fouled on the play and after he passed it the Miami player shoved him into the ref and still no whistle. Yet there stands Garnet just creating some breathing room for his guy and he gets ejected for reacting? If the refs has called either of the fouls, during the dribble or the shove before the fall none of this transpires.

Q come on. The video is rather clear about your touching Paul Pierce. Credibility = 0

You kind of expect Big Baby or Perk to throw an elbow in Q4 of a playoff game (ie DUMB move) but KG should know better. He was playing like the old KG in 2nd half – doing the KG little things – so that will be a loss. It came on in an invisible moment too because our Bigs were getting hammered on our glass, then Celtics defense appeared right in time.

As for Pierce, C’mon, half the league has got to think what Q Rich thinks. You know the Lakers do. He’s MY Paul Pierce but there is no one else I can think of in the league that has had more “He could be out a long time” injuries, only to be back in after the commercial break.

As for Doc, let’s remember he sat Tony Allen the whole 2nd Qtr after his great play in Q1, when Ray had nothing – couldn’t hang w Wade, no arc on his shot, no rhythm. Doc only gets props for the obvious.

Tony Allen’s D on Wade in 2nd half was a thing of beauty. Magnificent. Watch out, Tony, in game 2 for Miami adjustment. Wade will go for up fakes and he will get benefit of doubt from Refs. But, young man, that was the game of your NBA life.

Big baby rises to the occasion. Perk was just terrible. Perk used to be an oaf, then turned into a damn good NBA center, but for the last two months the inner oaf has won. I was so glad to see Doc stick with BBD rather than re-insert Perk or Sheed because they “were rested”. Good move there.

but is truly one of the all time great cry babies.
he can’t help himself. i have seen him do this at least 7 times. name one other great player who so often goes down, truly looking like a hollywood stunt man, to then magically “pop up” and drain a three. Q Rich who is a journeyman thug was able to get under Pierce’s skin, cos, well, uhm, he pretty much called him out. there you have it.

In reviewing the vids on HuffPo, my guess is that three people should miss game 2.

Garnett’s elbow is self explanatory.

Jermaine O’Neal put Glen Davis on his with a hefty shove. Hefty being a mild word, considering the effort it’d take to push Glen’s mammoth frame to the ground.

And the last guy, I think, is Jamaal Magloire. I can’t tell because he’s still in his warm ups – but there’s a Miami bench player that comes off the bench,gets involved, and ends up on the playing area of the court as he’s shoving Garnett away from Q. You can tell their coach is worried about it too because he immediately grabs whoever this mystery man is and pushes him back a foot or two glancing down.

Magloire or someone else, who knows – but from what I understand of the rulebook, he’s a goner from game 2 if this is actually reviewed.

“put Glen Davis on his rump” – is the PC version of the edited post, above.

I’ve watched Paul Pierce play his entire career. On September 25, 2000, Pierce was stabbed 11 times in the face, neck, and back and had a bottle smashed over his head. Many questioned if he would live. 3 weeks later Paul Pierce was back to playing basketball and was the only player on the Celtics to play all 82 games that season.
He never takes nights off and always gives it everything he has. He loves rising to the occasion and playing superior talent ie. Lebron & Kobe.
 I’ve seen him lose a tooth mid game and continue to play. I’ve also watched all the games this season and the shoulder injury is a reoccuring injury which originated in a practice a couple of weeks back.
Paul Pierce is from Inglewood, CA, Q- Richardson was married to Brandy. If anyone is soft its Q-Rich for talking ish to an injured player and then lying about it in post game comments and name calling. What has Q-Richardson ever done?

As for Garnett, even a two game suspension wouldnt matter. The Heat are out classed. Throwing an elbow may not have been the best move by Garnett but you always protect/stand up for teammates. Thats what KG and big baby did.

This is no longer the NBA of 6’9" skinny Bill Russel types down in the post. The NBA has made it pretty clear that they cannot allow it to begin. And I agree with them. Those are scary big guys. Just look at the shoulders and biceps of Big Baby. One hand slap from him put Shaq out for 1-2 months. Fist and elbows by guys that big are bad for business. And KG is paid 21 mil to stay on the court. Nope, no excuse. And I really love the whole KG routine.

Any suspension of Garnett without a suspension of the CLEAR instigator – Richardson – is absolutely unacceptable and nonsensical.

If the NBA wants to reward a loudmouth for talking trash, then let Richardson walk. Good grief, Bryant is the worst in the game with his yap.

You are right. He loves the game and he shows up for work every day. That’s not nothing. But c’mon, the whole league has got to be sitting in their locker rooms or big NBA cribs and laughing over another Pierce “major injury”-Nope-he’s-back-in-there.

from the comments after the game, it is pretty clear that Q started the whole thing up. he’s not helping himself by yapping. does that warrant a suspension? probably not…but it does help KG look better. o’neal definitely got physical in there, even though i think it was him trying to clean things up. somewhat incidental, like KG’s elbow. but if KG goes down, o’neal does, too. and haslem definitely gets suspended if KG does. he was to as well. he also threw an elbow at baby, i think. personally, i don’t think anyone should get suspended, but if people go down, it should be KG, o’neal and haslem, and maybe Q.

First of all to anybody pissed at Q for taunting Pierce, if trash talking is going to be a suspendible infraction, we are the worst team in the league and we’d have to go with D leaguers due to the suspensions. KG spent the whole Bulls series last year trash talking. The league lets that go normally unless people are in each other’s grill, then you normally see the offsetting technicals.

KG can stick up for his guy. If the 2 get in each other’s face, both KG/Q get T-d up, no free throws, we all move on.

Sure there was tussling and jostling going on but it never appeared like KG was simply trying to regain his balance. You can’t react to the grabbing and pushing by letting your elbow fly the way he did accompanied with the fact it caught Q right on the kisser.

Maybe KG gets suspended and we still win game #2, cruise on to win this 5 and genius to maddness type momement. Maybe with all the turmoil we’ve had this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back. It is what it is, a very emotional player letting his emotions get the better of him. Nobody else acted in any manner close to what KG did with the elbow.

and then comes over jawing and pushing KG.
He should be suspended…and if he’s not, he should be given a hard foul in the next game.
Pierce got hit pretty good…ever hit your funny bone…we’ll that’s what his neck and shoulder feels like when he gets hit…as he explained it.
Pierce is a warrior, KG was protecting him near the Heat bench.
Richardson is a punk…classless.

Imagine if D-Wade had fallen, and our whole bench and team just went right to him and wouldn’t let him get up or let his team mates help him up… Just IMAGINE if that happened!!! Our whole team would be out ….

The “actress” comment is is bulletin board material that will fire the team up… They’ll sweep this team. Heat have no clue what to do on offense and Wade isn’t a ball hog like Kobe and lebron. so no worries there C’s rediscovered their defensive intesnsity… memories of 2008 on the defensive end

1. Pierce was fouled but no call.
2. Pierce is on the floor in pain.
3. KG is standing by the captain.
4. Richardson should not even be there. So it’s really on Richardson.
5. If KG is suspended then there needs to be multiple suspensions on Miami.
6. League office should either A) fine everyone involved or B) suspend KG and possibly BBD, along with Richardson, Haslem, O’Neal and anyone else from Miami who was involved.
7. Celtics use this incident to get ultra focused with each man committed and come out breathing fire here on out.

The first contact by Kg was not an elbow. He slightly pushed Richardson off as he got too close and likely continued jawing at his injured teammate on the floor. The arm did not go out that much and what was Richardson doing that close to KG during a stoppage in play anyways? KG was hunched over with his hands on his knees and when Richardson walked up right besides him, he nudged him off of him. I hate that some writers are saying “he elbowed” him the first time. Why was Richardson up that close to KG that he was able to be nudged like that at all?
Now, put your elbows up shoulder high, turn side to side quickly like you are loosening up before working out. One turn each way with your elbows up. Now imagine feeling surrounded, being grabbed and pushed and feeling like the walls were collapsing around you. Do that same motion as if you were trying to get the arms off of you and get out. In actual speed it doesn’t look as bad but in slow motion it looks a lot worse. I mean look at the clip in actual speed. KG was being grabbed and pushed and he fought his way out. Look at the pic above. Why were all those Heat players there? If the rules were followed and the refs did their jobs, it would have just been Richardson being where he shouldn’t be (KG too) and them jawing back and forth before the refs come and break it up.

Well, the good thing is if Garnett was suspended (hopefully not) atleast we have Sheed starting and BBD getting more minutes of the bench. This will be the time for Sheed to prove himself.

It’s also funny seeing the video. You can see the closest ref, holding the ball, not paying attention to the situation with an injured player on the floor and walking away from it until it is too late. He has the ball so if Richardson was looking to inbound, shouldn’t he have walked over to the ref? Also, see how many Heat players are pushing KG and Davis and they are completely surrounded and being pushed all while Pierce is lying right there on the floor and the trainer is down there too. They could have been seriously hurt and trampled…. It was bad, but the Heat players made it much worse with their actions. They could have all stayed back and gave the Celtic trainer room to check on their injured player. The Heat coaches/staff were all there and didn’t control their bench area or their players.

could face suspensions for leaving their bench?

Every angle I watch of this played thrugh shows 2 hands grabbed on to KG’s arm above the elbow. Why wouldn’t you swing your arm free? When did it become legal to go over to a player of the opposite team and taunt them? Why is there no mention of Michael Beasley, who if you watch, went over and got in KG’s ear and erupted the whole thing? Why did baby get a T for standing over his own player, arms out and protecting him on the floor? Isn’t that what you are supposed to do? I din’t see him grab anyone until after he was grabbed and pushed. The NBA is going to suspend KG cause the front office sucks. Clearly the whole thing was instigated by Miami Heat players approaching Pierce on the ground. KG should walk away with the game ejection, end of story, but we all know they hate the dynasty too much for that ever happen!

he’s a punk and clearly instigated this whole thing (and crossed the line by talking smack to pierce when he was down), but that’s not enough to be suspended. KG shouldn’t be suspended, either – the first elbow was nudging Q off him, the second was while he was being pulled by heat players. if KG does get suspended, haslem should definitely get suspended, as he also threw an elbow right at baby, and pushed KG and baby. but, yeah, nobody really should get suspended for any of this.

whether he was pushed out of bounds or what. pp was fouled on the play in front of the ref and it wasn’t called. if someone gets suspended for a game, so should the shoddy ref, but stern will protect his mediocre refs. yes- paul got hurt. yes-paul is tough and a warrior. yes- paul is a big drama queen and his drama queen act was a part of the reason the whole situation got out of hand. qrich did instigate and is a troublemaker. i did not see that kg was throwing elbows to hurt or start trouble, but he was yapping and let his emotions and his antagonizing self get in the way. he deserved the 2 techs. i can’t believe the game lets these players swear and pull all this macho bull the players pull to jack themselves up. i put that on stern and that’s why incidents like this happen.

I live out west and have never been east, to Boston or anywhere else along the Eastern Seaboard. I would probably love Boston were I to visit there and I hope to sometime — it seems like a town I would appreciate. I like the Patriots, Redsox and Bruins as sports franchises — but the Celtics are a different story. From my perspective Garnett appears to be a bully, and who likes a bully except his mother?

It’d be good if Garnett toned it down a notch or two. He’s had a great career but his recent antics are for the bush league and he ought to be better than that.

Dont know if Im the only one to think this but I dont see how they can be sure his elbow was intentional. If they are stood jawing a each other face to face and he raises his hands and shoves him in the face or something fair enough. Or if he has his back protecting the ball and theres a definite swing with intent, again no complaints.

But if someone grabs hold of your arms in an effort to hold you back, which is what happened what do you do to free your arms? You swing your elbows in a kind of chicken dance movement. KG was being restrained and as such he felt compelled to free himself. Perhaps I’m seeing this with Green tilted glasses but thats how I saw it.