Fan's Eye View: Where Are We Now?

. . . and what can we expect against the Cavs?
(Promoted to the front page from one of our Fanposts. It's always nice to see well-written and thoughtful articles. -RH)
All season long I’ve been weighing in on where I think the Celtics are as a team, and my opinion hasn’t always been consistent with the generally accepted view of the team. But I think my story has been internally consistent, and my observations/thoughts over the long haul shape my perception of what I expect from the team this round against the Cavs.
To start the year I thought the Cs could win 70 if they stayed healthy and have a historic season. Obviously I was wrong. I underestimated how injured Garnett still was to start the season and then Pierce went down too, but more importantly in hindsight I think I was wrong in my initial focus: Yes, the team was affected by last year’s injury-induced disappointment. But as the year played out, it seemed that this effect was to de-value the regular season when compared to the importance of their health and to keep their eyes on a championship prize. I made this claim in a blog post, but here I want to develop it further.
In January of this season, when people were down because the Celtics started losing more when KG and Pierce were injured, I urged us to"Remember who we are!". I pointed out that in ’08 when KG played the Celtics won more than 80% of their games with a point margin of +10.5. In ’09 when KG played the Celtics won more than 80% of their games with a point margin of +9.7. And through the first two months of this season, before KG’s "thigh bruise", the Celtics were winning more than 80% of their games with a point margin of +9.5. In other words, to start the season, this Celtics team looked EXACTLY like their championship-caliber predecessors as far as success went. There are those that point out that the competition wasn’t the greatest to start the year, and I grant that, but it was about a third of a season and the win margin really tells the story about where the team was. Plus, Garnett was obviously still working up to speed despite the team’s success.
Fast-forward to the end of February, where I looked at the different phases of Garnett’s injury recovery and some implications for #18. The moral to the story was that when everyone was healthy and KG was at the higher end of his recovery arc the team was almost unbeatable, but when injuries/less-than-full-speed players were on the court the team wasn’t nearly as successful.
Then, in March when morale was really getting low around here, I pointed out that even if you completely ignore how healthy they were, that when Pierce and Garnett both played to that point the Cs were 31 – 11 with a scoring margin of +7.1 (and 9 – 10 with a scoring margin of -0.8 when either of them sat).
After that, the season ended with a mixed bag. There were stretches when the team reached highs, like winning most of a tough road swing including a win at then on-fire Dallas or beating the Cavs. There were also lows, like losing to the Nets and the Knicks. On the whole many people believed that the Celtics that started the season like gangbusters were gone, and that the Cs that went roughly .500 for the last four months were the real team. Oh yeah, and as a side note the Celtics were entering the playoffs with their roster at the absolute healthiest that they have been during this entire season.
Now, here’s my logic: the primary reasoning for why the Celtics would be a .500 team is that either a) they got old or b) they lost the desire. But age doesn’t just erode a skill set in a few months. Age can make your body more brittle in the short-term and it can erode your energy/skill-set in the long term, but it can’t erode a healthy player in the short term. So if the Cs really are as healthy entering the playoffs as they look, then reasoning (a) for why they’d be ordinary is off the table. That leaves reason (b), that they don’t want it as much…picture Kevin Garnett. And Paul Pierce. And Ray Allen. Does it really vibe with you that they got fat and complacent after their title? Because it doesn’t for me.
So what’s left to me is option (c), that the team learned the lesson last season that going balls out in the regular season at their advanced age and limping into the playoffs was ultimately a losing proposition, and that the best way to possibly compete for #18 was to do everything in their powers to come into the playoffs healthy. You may not agree with the philosophy, or may see it as excuse-making, but I absolutely believe that’s what happened and moreover, that it was the right way to play it. At the end of the day, nobody here would have really been happy with another 60-win/2nd round out playoff performance. Maybe it would make some feel good that they played the right way, but I really think that if most fans were given a choice between a 60-win team that played hard every night and physically flamed out (here age really is a viable concern) or a 50-win team that made sure that they got to the playoffs healthy and because of that were physically able to win a title…I could be wrong, but I think at least in the privacy of their own minds many would choose the route that could lead t a title, but ONLY if they knew for sure that was really what was happening.
Which leads to today. The Celtics proved in the first round that they were not a .500 team. They were not only better, but SIGNIFICANTLY better than the Heat. The narrative since that series played out is that the Heat just weren’t that good so it doesn’t matter, but IMO this is a case of the story changing after the fact. Yeah, the Heat aren’t that great outside of Wade, but they have been the #5 seed with mid-40s wins in each of the last two seasons with essentially the same cast (that features one of the best players in the NBA) so it’s not like we were playing the Nets. The Celtics MADE them look that bad, which suggests that the Celtics are once more playing a lot more like the 80% winning team of the first 2.3 seasons of the GPA era than the .500 team of the last four months of the regular season. More evidence, in my eyes, that this next series with the Cavs will be two heavyweight contenders going toe-to-toe.
But all of that said…even at their best, are these Celtics as good as the Cavs?
That’s a harder question. Because these Cavs are really, really, REALLY good. LeBron is unfair. But unlike last year, where there were notable shortcomings in the squad make-up that could be exploited by a team built like the Magic, this year the Cavs have a versatile, talented supporting cast around their King. When they added Antawn Jamison my heart fell through the floor, because his ability to score/shoot from the PF position gives them a dimension that really hurts the way that the Cs play defense. I think that the winner of this series, if they stay healthy, win the title. Because the Cavs are that good.
But, I also believe that the Celtics are that good. Pierce, Allen, Rondo and Perk are all playing at a higher level now than they were 2 seasons ago when the Cavs took us to 7 games. More importantly, the line-up is championship tested and knows how to play together in the playoff crucible in a way they didn’t to start the ’08 playoffs.
The biggest question mark for me is the same question mark that has surrounded the team all year: what will we get from Kevin Garnett? Because as good as all of the other Celtics are, I honestly believe that if Garnett isn’t the best player on the team against the Cavs we can’t win. I think in general the talent level on both teams is similar, but LeBron is enough better than Pierce that if there isn’t someone else to take the lead for the Cs I don’t think we can win. And I think that player has to be Garnett.
So, here is where I take my analyst hat off and become a fan again. I think either the Cavs or the Cs could legitimately win what should be a toss-up series. But I think that our vets have been working and planning and conserving all year to be their best for this series. I think that we see the best playoff performance from the Cs since they demolished the Lakers in the Finals. And I think the Cs take this one in 6 games. My inner analyst and my inner fan are both comfortable with that prediction. And I can’t wait until tomorrow night, when the big show finally gets started.
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Rather have another title than best record for nothing...
Great post! esp. the last part of it about resting the team…Smart move by Doc (mastermind) to rest these guys all season…WE ALL KNOW WHAT THIS TEAM IS CAPABLE OF DOING…first game of 2009-10 season we took it to the Cavs then went on a 23-5 tear…thean the shocker came injuries….but shouldn’t we be use to it by now…we are a vet team with old bones..but they are capable of winning it all…and I doubt Garnett will be a problem unless his emotions get the best of him…Jamison is a younger player…he might be more athletic right now, but tricks wise and experience Garnett has his game all day! No worries fans…I wouldn’t be suprised if we steal Game 1 and if we do…Cavs will be booed and confidence in that team will drop…
Isn't jamison only a year younger than KG?
A good deal of the Cavs roster is long in the tooth.
Good Analysis
Jamison is the same age as Garnett.
I love that we may bring Marquis and Sheed off the pine to play some situational match ups. This is what the team has been waiting for all year. A really big series versus the best when it’s all on the line. Everybody’s playing pretty well, and looking pretty much poised to give it their best vs the Cavs. We’re a great road team this year too.
Playing the regular season the way they did was a bummer to follow, but it was the best way to set things up for right now.
Yes and No
I agree with some of your comments, especially about health, but there are or were other things wrong with the team.
Health is naturally terribly important for this team. We all now the stars are well into there 30s and injures take longer to heal. KG is still not close to 100 , maybe 85. And I think it’s affecting his psyche. There are times he should swat a layup (then pound his chest) and doesn’t even jump, same with rebounds. On offense he finger rolls shots that last year he slam and then pound his chest. I don’t blame him for resting the older guys and keeping Perk out of the last game so he didn’t pick up another Tech that was a smart move when the NBA couldn’t tell us when he would serve the penalty for the 16th Tech. But Perk picking up 15 techs is bad!!!
But how many games did we just quit – 8-10 or more where we gave no effort. it wasn’t unusual that we were up significantly at half time and refused to accept the 2nd half challenge and just watched teams run over us. That’s not a good thing. Bad habits are hard to break.
I think Perk has regressed. He’s not the defensive stopper he has been over the past 2 year and the beginning of this year. He now wants to be an offensive force and in several games has killed us with being unable to finish, turning the ball over, and killing ball movement as he takes 5, 6, 7 dribbles to heave up a brick. Early in the season he was setting picks, rolling to the bucket and finishing strong or going to the reverse, now he’s trying to create his own shots. That’s bad.
Unfortunately Rasheed has provided NOTHING, and even his playoff performances have been less than stellar. I hate seeing him come in to the game, and I was excited about him coming to Boston. Now he’s an anchor around our neck. He’s not productive and probably will have a meltdown during the playoffs that will cost us points, and maybe a game.
I worry about our rebounding. How many games this year has Rondo been our top rebounder? That is sick! And for some reason, he seems to be one of the few guys who really goes after rebounds. Rebounding is just hard work – box out, go get the ball and hang on to it . The guy with the most Want generally gets the ball. Nor do we seem to hustly for loose balls. Ya know those long 3 misses or balls that get batted around and anyone can get. We don’t seem to get many of them. Not good.
I also worry about PP. Age or his iinjuries this year have really reduced his productivity. The problem is that he still wants to take the tough shot and it appears against good players he can’t or it’s much tougher for him to do (Dorell Wright doesn’t count).
I’m not trying to be a kill joy. I’m going to yell, screem, holler and cry until we either win it or are eliminated. I guess I’m trying to be practical. Yes we could win the Banner, but will we?
And yet .... the stats totally disagree with you
In every important RATE stat (i.e. that measures how GOOD one is at doing something rather than how OFTEN you got to do it), KG and Perk both played at extremely high levels this year.
The only significant stats in which KG is off of his career averages is shots taken and points scored. But that’s true of the whole team (Celtics) and KG is not needed to be a primary scorer all the time on this team.
Together, Perk and KG basically grabbed 50% of all defensive rebound opportunities! That’s a helacious rebounding twosome!
Combined with Rajon, Ray and Paul, our starting 5 posted a ridiculously stingy 1.00 pts per posession defensive effciency rating.
Yet ALSO scored 1.13 pts per posession on offense.
That is a beautiful +13 net per 100 posessions! And its the same net100 as they posted in 2008 AND 2009 (before KG got hurt).
So maybe they (our starting 5) haven’t declined quite as much as you think.
drza44 is absolutely correct. This is a different team than was often playing in the regular season.
Even Sheed has played far better than most fans here understand. His numbers suffered (along with the team) when he was asked to play starting Power Forward while KG was hurt. But while in his preferred role of bench Center, he has been extremely effective, especially on defense.
You talk about rebounding. Again, the true numbers to look at are efficiencies. Each time a rebound opportunity has presented itself, how well have we done at grabbing it? For the season, we have grabbed 73.8 % of defensive rebounds, just a hair better than average. But for over 10 games, we had Sheed (a career 20% rebounder – which is not bad) playing minutes in place of KG (a 25% rebounder in this defense) – plus BBD (a lousy 13% defensive rebounder) taking Sheed’s minutes off the bench.
The reality is, with KG healthy, and Sheed and BBD properly tucked back into their bench roles, we are probably closer to a 77% defensive rebounding team. In other words, among the best in the NBA. For the record, in 2008, our defensive rebounding percentage was 74.4%. Not that different.
No guarantees that this is going to translate into a series win against Cleveland. But the Celtics are easily on a par with Cleveland and will give them a battle.
Its not all about the rates
What concerns re KG is him not realizing he’s still at part speed. Like vs MIA, game $ , when Beasley was taking him baseline and KG didnt grok it til he saw the film. He and everyone, really reallty needs to stay sharp.
That said, Chi-town showed how to push the Lebrons. They arent invincible, just awful good.
hack-a-shaq
Doc should look @ how Pop used this tactic in 2008 when Spurs beat the Suns in the play offs. It could help the celts beat the cavs.
Agreed - you simply HAVE to use that tactic when it presents itself.
Heck, Shaq doesn’t even need to have the ball.
Scenario: Lebron gets hot and is scoring at will. He brings the ball across half court.
Option 1: Try to defend Lebron and he scores 2 or 3 pts.
Option 2: Have someone with fouls to give push Shaq for a foul away from the ball, drawing the foul & the whistle, stopping the play. At first they just side in, but after the limit, Shaq goes to the line and shoots 2, making .496% of them, or 1 pt.
Seems like a no-brainer.
We are where we want to be. Doc was right on the other day – it ain’t supposed to be easy. We might beat the Cavs, we might not, but we are right up there with the very best teams in the league and we have as good a chance as anybody to win it all and a better chance than most. At times I was thoroughly dissapointed in this team but I am back in love again. And we knew, from the moment the trades were made that this day would come, that they would still be great players but a little older facing the younger and hungry crowd. Bring it on. Lets see what happens. And whatever that is this will remain my favorite sports team of all time, and yes, I am old enough to remember to the 80’s, even if I didn’t appreciate properly at the time.
the season was devalued from the start
the season was devalued from the very start. a consultant was hired and they were advised not to practice so much, let the guys sleep in so that they would be fresher come play-off time than they were last year.
we will see how this advice works for them now in the cavs series. Right now I am just glad that we aren’t going against the hawks as we don’t match up well with them. Just hope the magic takes them out.
IF the Wallace signing had worked out as planned...
I would be in full agreement that Boston would be the favorite in any series.
However, to put it mildly, that signing has NOT worked out.
As a result, the Celtics have merely a “puncher`s chance” against the Cavs…unless there is more to Lebron`s elbow injury than has been revealed.
Dividens
That’s what Daniels and Sheed are going to give us this series . Even if it’s only half of what i expected of them this season ( p.s who am i ). That might be enough to get us by. Believe it or not i also see williams playing a roll .
great post
i agree with most of all points and hack their poor free throw shooters if possible
we can win and i truely think we will in either 6 or 7
Pierce-Lebron
Pierce is once again being dismissed against James. He relishes that role and I don’t blame him. If all our guys step up with Baby-type energy and stay focussed with shut down D, we win. Remember how good we were at the start of the season? Well, they’re back. Gotta play like junk-yard dogs! Go Cs !!!!
by Daveonthecape on May 1, 2010 6:19 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

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