Doc Calls Out Sheed
by Jeff Clark on May 2, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
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It sounds like Doc is seeing the same thing we are seeing. That Sheed is simply not living up to the expectations we had for him. But it also sounds like he's not quite ready to pull the plug on him yet. Perhaps because he knows we're signed up for 2 more years of this.
Rivers on Sheed: He has to play better
"He has to play better, bottom line," Doc Rivers said Sunday. "He has to play better defense. The offense will come but he has to be a better defender. We can’t wait. He has to play better."
Rivers elected not to use Shelden Williams despite the heavy foul trouble that Wallace and Glen Davis found themselves in early in the game. That might change, although Rivers didn’t quite his tip his hand on that front.
"He is in the discussion every day," Rivers said of Williams. Is he is it more today? "No," Rivers answered. "But he definitely is in that discussion."
So what do you think? Would Shelden help us more?
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Rasheed doesn't have it anymore
Maybe Sheldon doesn’t either but I doubt he could be worse. Everyone has had a car where you just aren’t sure whether the next $500.00 you put into it is a complete waste of not. You usually do it. Doc is there with Rasheed but of course he watches the action as we do, and the tapes too. Doc is doubting whether another 10 minutes for Rasheed is a waste or not.
i posted earlier that I think Rasheed is a good guy and knows the game and knows the moment of the playoffs. That he looked so bad can only mean that he doesn’t have it anymore. I would advise Doc to keep that $500 in his pocket, try a new car.
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by Ol' Green Boyz on May 3, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Play Wallace...
…and if he’s not getting it done defensively or on the glass, then sub in Williams. Can’t just keep him in there. We need his offense on the blocks too, but if he’s not getting it done…get him out!!!!
- JoeB
I still have a inkling
that Sheed , Daniels and or Sheldon will be a factor.
P.S
WE CANNOT LOSE AT THE "TB BANK "
If Doc isn't seeing what we are seeing
then Doc has the same eye condition that Joey Crawford has……..
Is it Soup Yet?
As a celts fan!!! I still have hope for Shweed!
Come on Shweed! You know your slackn son! Seriously, just focus on the D, know your role! Your better than this. Give us that Shweed old school! GO GREEN!
by David Aaron Chick on May 2, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions
reality check
DREAM, DREAM, DREAM—WALLACE IS A TROJAN HORSE—-FROM DETROIT—HE RATHER BE FISHIN’
reality check
DID ANYONE FIGURE HOW MUCH THE BENCH CONTRIBUTED POINTS WISE???? THIS SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED—-PROBABLY SUCKS!!!! WHY DID BOSTON LOOSE——3RD AND 4TH QUARTERS AND NO BENCH—-WALLACE IS A TROJAN HORSE—-AINGE SCREWED UP!!! BOSTON HAS TO BURN THE NET FROM THE PERIMETER IF CAVS GO INTO LOCKDOWN IN FRONT OF NET—-IF CELTICS DON’T MAKE THEIR SHOTS WHEN THEY NEED TO—-OUTCOME WILL BE 4-0 CLEVELAND—-SORRY CELTIC FANS, BUT CELTICS WORKED REAL HARD DURING SEASON TO CHOKE IN SECOND HALF….
my guess
im betting that doc gives sheed game 2 and if we see the same thing again tomm. night then sheed will no longer be a factor in the series
Think Rasheed will step his game up?
He actually got decent position down low several times in Game 1…He just failed to finish.
Finally an intelligent comment from someone about Sheed Saturday!
He stayed low, he went for boards, he got very good position on both ends but he had sideshow Bob steal a ball from him and missed TWO layups or bunnies or whatever you want to call them. He had active hands and was trying. And as someone else did say, Shaq and Sideshow did almost nothing while Sheed was in.
Im not defending him but If had converted two layups and not had that ball stolen we’d have seen 150 less posts about how much he sucked. I will be rooting for him for obvious reasons
Well...
We’d also have a lot fewer of those posts if he’d played well, or even decently, all year long. No matter what happened yesterday.
by TheOutletPass on May 2, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
his only field goal
by the way, was a monster dunk on lebron james
yes..Funny how they never showed a replay
I think Nike called David Stern and then had David Stern call TNT, and TNT texted the producers and cameramen at the game,and had them to pull all film of LeBron getting Dunked on right away!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets hope he does...
I think he needs more feeds in the low post and for Rondo to get him in better position in the low post (Sheeds sweet spot) when he does so in order to get Rasheed in a offensive groove.
This team needs low post scoring and Rasheed is our best big off the bench to do so and possibly on the roster, so lets hope Rondo can get him in the groove on offense and get the big fella going.
This is true, BUT
it only really happened in the first half. In the second half I only remember two or three shots, all perimeter and all missed pretty badly. I agree with Doc though, defensively is the biggest concern, and right now he can’t get it done.
that's what i thought
but i don think Shelden will do good in defense…not yet!
Sheed's new call name---------> SKIPPY
Has enough time passed that we can recycled the name “Skippy”.
That’s it. "Skippy Wallace.
Seems fitting to me. For those who remember the original ‘Skippy’, this new one bears a remarkable resemblance in the effort and heart department.
At this point, I don’t see what good there is in playing Sheed. I say at least give Shelden a shot and if he fails, then maybe try Sheed again. Of course I want to see Wallace have his turning point, but at this point, I don’t think it’s very realistic. It is a lot easier for me to watch Shelden not play well then Sheed, because Shelden has a lot more heart and tries every minute he’s out there. Just my opinion, though.
by faithfulcelticfan34 on May 2, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Will it have an affect on Sheed?
Probably not but calling him out needed to be done a long time ago.
How much wlll Sheldon help? Maybe not much but he’ll hustle and battle, two things Sheed isn’t doing for us.
by bostoncelts fan on May 2, 2010 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Is there any doubt Shelden wouuld play better than Sheed?
Williams is still trying to find his belonging in the NBA after six years with four different teams. He’s much younger, and I’d bet that he’s ready for the big show. He was twice selected as the NCAAB’s Defensive Player of the Year when he played for Duke. I mention this because Doc is looking for defense.
Wallace has a been-there, done-that attitude and clearly doesn’t leave everything he has on the court. Honestly, I doubt if he even has anything to leave in the first place.
I say Doc should give the kid a shot and let Rasheed ride the pine… for the rest of his career as a Celtic.
You know what's interesting?
We never seem to see any quotes from Sheed.
Will he not talk to the media?
Oh that's Rasheed Wallace?
I thought a filthy hobo stole a Celtics uniform…
Rasheed must step it up as the C's need him to if they want to beat the Cavs and proceed in the playoffs....
If Sheed does not then it will be very tough for the C’s to win this series or any future one if we get that far.
Rasheed is vital to the C’s future success since he is the only back up center and player with length on the bench and we are playing teams the rest of the way in these playoffs with alot of length and depth up front and the center position in the Cavs, Orlando and LA.
It would not be advisable at least I think to face all these teams using undersized Baby and Williams as our back up center since they would be over powered in the low post by all the big lengthy centers that would be thrown against them.
This is Rasheeds job since he is again the only center on the bench and the only player off the bench physically built to do the job with his bulk and length.
He is also considering his frustrating play at times like (his poor help and perimeter defense and rebounding ) is still our best low post one on one defender and low post scorer off the bench.
The need for Sheed is real and he is all we have to turn for the time being until a new back up center can be found in the off season so lets hope he can step it up the rest of the playoffs because if not it will be a short playoff run.
The real question...
is how did Shelden work his way out of the rotation in the first place? I thought he was pretty solid this year, especially in the role that he was brought in here to play. It was like Sheed “earned” his spot in the playoff rotation based on what he was brought in here to do and the contract DA gave him. I’m sure Doc must think that, in order to win it all, Sheed has to step up and be a big part of this team. That’s dice that we need to stop rolling. Limit his minutes now, and let him earn them from Shelden. Is Shelden a better player than Sheed? Even at this point, it’s hard to argue that. But Shelden plays with effort. We can forgive his shortcomings based on that alone. Give him a shot, Doc.
Can Sheed be another TA
Remember started around this time last season, the majority of posts here called for the outst of TA, saying he was no good anymore. But look at the TA today. Will Sheed be an improved Sheed come next year?
he didn't completely suck...
he just mostly did. Got good position in the post, just never finished. He will play a bit better on monday night. my guess 8-5, shooting 3-7 from the field.
He killed the momentum each time he was put in Game 1
Why does this guy believe he can make threes?
How do you deny basic reality to that extent…
by nba is the worst on May 3, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions
Sheed cant play defense
hes to old and two slow
sheldon doesnt have the talent sheed has but he is more athletic, more aggresive, better on defense and would try as hard as he could just like bbd.
the big man of the bench is Verajao and Hickson- all energy and not much talent
so for that we should match them with davis and williams because the energy would be even
only play sheed when the cavs play Big Z
The stats don't agree with you.
In every defensive metric, Wallace played this year as well or better than his career averages. And he’s always been considered an excellent defender (and rightfully so).
Among players posting 1600+ minutes, he was one of the top players in the NBA in posting a Defensive Rating (opponent points per 100 possessions) of only 100, best on the Celtics.
He was second only to Perkins on the Celtics in blocks per minute.
He was behind only TA, Rondo & Nate in creating steals per minute!
His defensive rebounding efficiency was behind only KG, Perk & (narrowly) Shelden and way better than Davis.
All the objective numbers suggest that, yes, Sheed can play defense.
Beat Sheed up for his offense. He deserves it there. But his defense has not been the problem.
During this last game, for which Sheed seems to have become a whipping boy, Sheed’s plus/minus was -1. So while he was on the floor, we gave up a point. Yet our other bigs posted the following lovely numbers:
KG -6
Perk -3
BBD -9 !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeezus – you people make it sound like Sheed went in the game and started shooting the ball at Cleveland’s hoop!
Sheed did not cause us to lose the game by 8 pts.
we have been watching a different sheed
on defense than.
all he does is foul and not contest shots, thats what i see.
if yall see him hustling and blocking shots than i need glasses bacause i have not seen it
go sheed play like you did tonight and you will be a fan favorite
Question to the Nation
Has Sheed ever been called for Technical based on being too physical? As far as I can remember, every Technical has been based on him saying “and 1” or general mouthing off to an official.
Doc first needs to look in a mirror
Doc allowed this offense to be “on the perimeter” for most of the season. That can rob a team of their aggressiveness, but Doc accepted it.
Paul Pierce had two rebounds in game one; had no shot but kept shooting at crunch time; and fell to the floor a couple of times feigning foul/injury, allowing points… and Doc is silent.
Mo Williams heats up, where are you coach, Rondo, anyone eleven points later.
With 5:17 in the 3rd quarter, Celts are up 11. Doc calls a timeout at 4:46, up 7 after 4 points from Williams. That’s it for timeouts. Williams finishes his run and at the end of the 3rd quarter, the 11 point lead turns into a 1-point deficit.
And it’s Sheed’s fault.
Doc is an average coach, always was. Look at his career. Until the 2008 playoffs, he never coached a team into the second round. And that year, Atlanta took us to 7 games.
Doc benches Sheldon Williams for the season, after a very good start, and now ponders on playing him? You have got to do better than that Doc.
miss the show..
can anyone say leon powe now there is a player that plays with hustle and is never lazy. enough said. danny should have brang him back instead of bringing in this washed up albatross ..
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