Celtics Vs Cavs: AKA 'How I Learned To Love Again'
"We've lost to New Jersey, we've lost to [other teams with poor records], but if we make a run in the playoffs, will you forget it? That's my question. … If we don't, then it's probably who we were all year -- an inconsistent team -- at least in the second half of the year. We'll find that out." -- Doc Rivers, April 9, 2010 (Via ESPN)
Go get it, Captain. (via Foenixx)
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Nice account, IP...
I was one of the “true believers” for this team most of the season, until we closed out the season 3-7. That, more than the Nets game, made me think that we needed something more than to get healthy. I was still hopeful, but not confident; it was the first time that my view that “we are the best team in the NBA when healthy” wavered. The team didn’t seem to care anymore, and I was worried that that was going to carry over to the playoffs.
My faith was quickly restored after watching the team’s energy and hustle in the first two games against Miami, and things have been getting better and better since.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Nice account!
I love this team too for proving to me that I was right to never truely give up on them. Yes I was frustrated, dissappointed, and at times borderline disgusted, i.e. losing to the Wizards and NJ at home.
Still though I couldn’t let myself stop believing in them completely. I held onto the one thought and that was if a team was indeed capable of flipping the switch it just might be this team. All the pieces were there, they were getting their health back, the big three were finally accepting and adjusting to the fact that this was no longer their team… it was their young QB’s a.k.a. Rondo’s team, and if they had one thing over a good chunk of teams that made it to the playoffs this year it’s that this team isn’t centered around just one player. A different player has led this tema in scoring in every game. Not the same player twice I might add.
enough rambling but just let me repeat how much I love the team and how much fun watching this playoff run has been so far.
One sport... One team
The Celtics embody the greatest thing in sports; teamwork and an unyielding will to win. I love this championship franchise!
Yeah!
Celtics are the best in sports. Forget the Yankees.
by Celtics own the refs on May 20, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Tuning out the Regular Season
Frankly after the injuries and the talk by Doc and the players about how they were preparing for the post-season, I stopped watching them for the regular season. It clearly didn’t matter to them, and it wasn’t going to be indicative of how they were going to perform in the post-season. The first game I watched for months was game 1 of the Miami series. If there was a switch then the organized defense and creative attack would show up in those first few games and it did. That was evidence enough to know that they could make a finals run.
Two major worries were Rasheed and the possibility that Celtics might momentarily slip out of their sudden post-season form. Rasheed is back, but the team can still slip.
Excuse me for being a bad fan, but I took the early hint and I saved myself the disgust of watching their second half performances. By the way, this is awful precedent to set. I don’t want another Celtics team to coast through the regular season again.
Okay, but...
I get how you say it (the regular season play) wasn’t indicative of the post season play now..but how did you know then?
Did you know there was a switch based on anything in particular (besides comments…talk is cheap) or was it a feeling, a hope?
Because I hoped they’d turn in consistent effort in the post season, but nothing I saw during the regular season made be believe this was predetermined.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 20, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually....
Yes, there was reason to believe (tim hardin, where are you now?). You might have missed the link I posted yesterday to a January piece about the reasoning behind the abiding faith: http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2010/01/celtics-2010-strategy-lose-now-win-when-it-counts.html. That was the basis.
haha, well I think that was a good theory. Heck, it looks like it was even right. But, even you said this in your own comments!
DRJ: But truth is… after tonight’s Detroit game… I feel like retracting the rosy outlook. That was truly ugly, ugly stuff. From our starters. Ouch.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 20, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah... ouch
It was hard, very hard in those days. I was disgusted too from time to time. But the logic was sound… I felt… and part of it included having to deal with games like that one… So in the end, it wasn’t that hard to maintain… albeit with a few dips in the curve.
Everything looks great in hindsight
That’s why we argue so much in the present!
We don’t really argue one the games are done (actually some try, but end up getting labelled “trolls”).
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...
*once the games are done
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...
helps if you never watched their regular season play
I remember getting pissed off a few times in January, but if you gave up watching them during the regular season like I did, it’s easier not to think of how badly they played. Think of what would happen if Miami game 1 was your first impression of their game.
Yeah, they started preparing for the playoffs just after beating Denver and
started playing around after clinching the division and home court against Sacramento.
by Celtics own the refs on May 21, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I denied them thrice.
Once when I switched off the Nets game, once during the remaining regular-season stretch (I forget exactly when), and once after Cleveland game 3.
Now, I have all I can do to refrain from trolling, over on some Fakers site.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, as Emerson said.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
I think...
I think that what drove this team to this post-season madness was the fact they played unexpectedly good against Miami. Driven by that, it took some time for them to realize that they got the strength to go all the way this year. That’s why perhaps they lost 2 games to Cleveland – taking some time to settle down, and getting rid of the feeling they have no idea what or how they’re doing, except they’re beating down on Cleveland. And now, they’re past that. They just play the ball with the best feeling there is – never even thinking of losing as it’s something made for teams that got lots of things to learn, and knowing you’re simply unstoppable. It’s just what I think might have happened.
I believe in a sweep.
I kept believing in the Celts
But I really started doubting myself! There had to really be something wrong with my mental capacities that, despite ALL indications to the contrary, I kept saying inane things like “whoever gets in to the playoffs has the game to win it all.” Why did I believe this…it sounded stupid, even to me. My closest friends and even my husband were laughing at me. Well, we still haven’t won the championship yet, and I am still saying we have as good a chance as anyone still in the hunt (and still believing it). I guess we will find out soon enough if it was just “blind” faith…not by whether they win the championship, but by the effort they put into the rest of their playoffs.
One remarkable thing about the postseason
We’ve been healthy all the way through. Never would have thought that a few months back.
Thanks, Indeed Proceed
This pretty much coincides with my journey with this team this season. My mood swings were a bit more extreme, though. I need to be more even keel.
Do not have pity on those........
who continued to believe in this team and this team rewarded them with this turnaround. Admire them. Just admire them. That being said….nice article.
I agree...now...
Hey, y’all look like little nostradamuses(eses?) now. But then…man there just wasn’t much of a leg to stand on after some of those games. And I’m not taking you down, I hate when people say things along the lines of “believe what you want…I don’t need faith I rely on facts”…because that’s garbage. We’re sports fans..we’re not supposed to necessarily rational.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 20, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think your closing statement of were not supposed to be rational really makes so much sense and will stick with me, it covers all bases, the believers, non believers, wagon jumpers, trash talkers, ignoramuses, takers, stat men and all others.
I am not trying to createa permanent divide between the optimists, realists and pessimists. It actually just hurt me to see such abandon for a team that just a few short years ago knew who their fans were and even with a piss poor record would still get that garden rockin. It was more, getting to see as PO would say, who would I want in my foxhole. And not that wagon jumpers didn’t leave, cause they did (and are probably back now) but it seemed as though the guys who remained optimistic, had some deeper knowledge of the nature of fandom and the game too. Not that I didn’t understand every gripe, but it actually made me sadder to witness the decline of so many real fans than the losses themselves (with a couple exceptions). We were only months removed from a valiant playoff effort from half a squad. Never count out a veteran HOF team, never count out YOUR team, never count out THIS team, believe that anything is possible is all I was trying to maintain.
As it turns out even though the mailed it in at the end, there was reason for concern by anyone, and I don’t hold it against anyone. Though I would hope that those of you who lost belief have learned something about either your team, yourself, or fandom in general. And so have I, as much as part of me wishes to rub it in faces, I cannot do that, because well there were reasons and because you remained fans even if not supportive ones (did they deserve it at times anyway) bcause well we are sportsfans and we are not supposed to be rational.
by Warrior Spirit on May 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and yeah I can be a (self righteous) douche I know. I am working on it.
It is a weird thing this whole online community thing.
Dudes I have been so busy with my 21 month old baby girl who is quite on top of things, my own business, which is quite thankfully recovering from this economic downturn we have had, and have as if that were not enough, I have been taking nightclasses several nights a week for the 1st time in years. Needless to say time has been stretched thin. Oddly (for me anyway) I have spent more of my free time on here sticking with my C’s than anywhere else other than afore mentioned activities. Again it is quite unique to have gotten to know several of you guys personalities (albeit modestly I am sure) through this terribly impersonal level. Overall seems like a solid bunch, though I have little to compare it to, the only other blog/message board I have taken part of (also Celtics related) I left last year due to negativity, and have also found better content and analysis here. Yall should pride yourselves too, cause if you check out different blogs around the league we definetly seemed to luck out with the best of that, and a solid group of fans too, as little as we know each other (and believe me I understand it doesnt mean a thing) I have seen things in many of you that I respect. Continue to show those things, and if I were you I would embrace the contections one could make, why the hell not, never know where you may be that you will find a good man to protect your foxhole with. As it is for me it will be increasingly difficult for me to continue to follow like this, even the team to a certain extent, as my busy season is here already, and coming on like an onslaught. Unfortunately before the time free agency hits I may be just too enveloped in tasks ahead of me, that and sweat, (I aint no sheed though, I give it all year round).
Guess I am sayin I dont mean to be a d-bag, and that are some really decent warrior folk here, glad to know all of you as much as I do, even if I am commiting a blog faux pas and revealing too much, lol.
I am quite glad that you are all as excited as I am, as we few were all along, know that we were all frustrated with you, and have had fun, and exasperated moments with u folk, I will be glad to share in the excitement to come as well.
by Warrior Spirit on May 20, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
excellent post Warrior
keep fighting the good fight…..spot in my foxhole for ya anytime…..
This blog is good place to be…….." I got nuthin but luv for all my peeps"
Is it Soup Yet?
Want to let both of you know that I think you’re cool. That was all, nothing else of value to add to what you’ve already said.
He knows not his own strength that hath not met adversity.
i agree...
…you guys derive the mystique…
…the source of which is right under our feet…
…we NEED more myth and passion in our devotion…
…and you all sense the pride that goes into that notion…
Let’s step back and take a good look at OUR team in green…
Let’s savor the (emotional) ride that was this year’s Boston Celtics. In whatever manner we remained watching helplessly or hopelessly…we’ve come through the other side knowing without a doubt that US and our TEAM has gone through ten times the adversity of any team in the league (except of course for the Portland Trailblazers…true fighters in their own right).
For this reason, BECAUSE of the previous struggles, we know the Celts (and its fans) can beat anyone…including the Lakers of “plastic LA”. Bring on the celebs and the socal smog-shine…i’ll take boston, all heart and soul…every single time.
Ashtray Bouquet
correction
frustrated along with you, not with you
by Warrior Spirit on May 20, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
IP...perhaps the best thing you have written
sincere Hat Tip……excellent work….
Earl Weaver (one of my favorite baseball coaches) said:
I became an optimist when I discovered that I wasn’t going to win any more games by being anything else.
Is it Soup Yet?
Hey thanks amigo
I appreciate the sentiments, especially comin from the Master.
Also thanks to everyone else who said they liked it…heck thanks to everyone for reading it. I’ve been brewing on it since last week.
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me add my voice to that
Excellent read… not just because it’s well written, but because it’s (obviously) real.
I liked it a lot, too
Really, really good job.
Good quote, Master Po!
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Stepping Up
Most talk is cheap, really cheap, so it’s a matter of knowing what to take seriously, what not to trust but watch out for, and what to dismiss as garbage. When a team talks about tanking it, you have to take that seriously. They are going to perform bad, really bad. When professional players talk about loafing it and back it up with any sign of unmotivated play, they aren’t lying. Celtics were going to play bad in the second half.
What could not be trusted in their talk was whether or not they could turn it back on and keep it on. But this Celtics team is a veteran group and they’ve been there before, so they might not be lying about it. So this is something you have to watch out for. I’m not going to say that I was confident in Celtics before the Miami series, but I thought it was possible. In the Miami series, I thought the Celtics showed me enough to make me a believer in a championship run. Cautiously optimistic is the watchword.
For the Cavs series, I was worried about Rasheed and letdowns. There were some letdowns in the Miami series and Rasheed wasn’t good. There were some more lapses, but they’ve put it all together for a five game winning streak just recently, and now they look like world beaters now. Rasheed is back in form!
Yet, even as they get the most positive coverage by the media in nearly half a year, I’m still worried about possible letdowns in the Celtics. They could come discombulated and lose focus during any game. I still expect some inconsistency and I think they still show it even during the games they have won. However, knowing their peak performances when they had the Big Three, Rondo, and Perk healthy and playing together, it’s enough of a juggernaught that to believe that they can win anyone even when the team occassionally comes unglued.
I guess I also had some faith in Doc to get the team back together when the Celtics lose it. Altogether, it was a bit of knowing what to believe, a bit of knowing what to look for, and a bit of fan-boy optimism.
KG`s revival restored hope...
True, he`s not averaging 20 PPG and 10RPG, as in the `08 playoffs.
However, I`ll settle for the 16 and 9 that he is providing in the `10 playoffs!
Plus, his FG% is even slightly up.
Just 6 wins away…close enough for them to see the “finish line”!
idk what i was smokin with that comment lol
i meant to say, that i couldnt agree more with the article
I have a heart attack everytime the Celtics play!
But I just bought a bottle of aspirine !!!bring it on!!!!
I'm pretty sure we all knew
That when the Celtics are healthy they are the best team in the NBA. People keep talking about rest for our older guys, but what they dont realize is…is that the regular season was basically a rest for them. They half-assed it most of the time, only to turn it on when it really matters!
GO CELTICS!
excellent article IP
I was one of those whose hearts believes Boston could win but their heads thinks that it is improbable to defy reality. I was one of the doubters. But As the post-season started, I have rested my faith on them, and they gave back. Much love to the C’s.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
Doc Rivers
really did good a job hiding that switch. good thing no one found it until this playoffs
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
Rondo:“Hey Doc, what’s that little key fob you keep messing around with that says ’Don’t hit until playoffs’?”
Doc;“My car keys.”
R:“Doc there isn’t a key on there.”
Doc:“It’s a keyless entry.”
R:“Doc you took a car service to shoot around today.”
Doc:“Garage door opener.”
R: “Doc we’re in Cleveland.”
Doc: “Cell phone.”
R: “Doc your cell phone is huge. We’re always making fun of it.”
Doc: “Butfor.”
R: “Huh? What’s a butfor?”
Doc: “Poopin silly! Now go run some sprints!”
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 20, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's Go
I hope celtic fans are ready for the lakeshow. Facing the magic or the cavs is nothing like the lakers…we have the assassin on our team and unlike back in 08, we have artest covering pierce and bynum is actually active. Good luck in June, you’re gonna need it.
p.s. no hard feelings right? ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciIJXOs7zH8
You ever heard of that story where 2 franchises make game changing trades then meet in the finals and one more storied, respectable, and more substantiative franchise beats the other franchise? Kobe knows it. He knows it by heart.
(It was when the Celtics beat the lakers in six games in 2008.)
Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.
by Tom Bellinger on May 21, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
We are ready
Who’s the assassin? you mean that Kobe guy that got his ass kicked in 08 when he was in his prime? We handled him then and most definitely will handle him now. Artest and Bynum? Please, take them away, I’m so scared. Remind me again, who do you have to guard Rondo? Lakers team haven’t been tested vs real opponent yet, and all your fake fans will be really surprised what it is like to play against a team that actually knows how to play defense.
Since you like videos, here’s one for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omSkMk5kHjg
I wonder
Are any Cs fans going over to Lakers blogs like this? I mean… I haven’t the slightest inclination to do something like that…. not even when it’s not gonna be premature anymore. Hmmm… I wonder why they do it… to assuage their uncertainties? stroke their inadequacies? fear? loathing? hard to pin this one down….it’s so alien to my thinking….
You kidding?
We have lots of trolls headed their direction goading them on
by Warrior Spirit on May 21, 2010 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do it to piss them off
Silver Screen and Roll is getting out of hand on the Celtics shit talking. They act as if 2008 was a fluke and Kobe will personally destroy us this year in revenge.
They need an occasional reminder as to who kicked whose ass 2 years ago.
at least some of them there have mutual respect for the Cs(like they respect the Celtics most out of the 3 teams)
Unlike at the Fearthesword and Orlandopinstripedpost posting they are sure to win the series before game 1.
Now look what kind of posts are they doing now lol.
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
it is so true
i love your blog soo much. I almost cried. I spoke to my wife, a day before, of how I lost smth about C’s even thogh victory over Cavs. It was just that, I lost my love and found it again.

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