Will Tom Thibodeau Be Leaving?
Celtics Associate Head Coach and now legendary defensive guru Tom Thibodeau is being strongly considered for the open New Orleans Hornets head coach position according to NOLA.com and other sources.
Update: Marc Stein reports that a formal offer has been made.
Rumors also place New Jersey and Chicago as very interested in talking with him for their openings. Could this finally be Tom’s year to move on? His resume makes him an intriguing option.
I believe he is an anomaly as the only Associate Head Coach in the NBA. Celtic management, players and fans may soon be debating what life will be like around here without him. While the Celtic players and coaches are focused on getting back the NBA title, they are aware of Thibodeau’s possible departure when the season ends.
Can you envision this team without Tom Thibodeau?
Ray Allen…
" No, I can’t. No, I can’t. But at the same time, he as a coach, as a person that has competed his whole life to get to the level he’s at. You know at some point he deserves taking over the helm somewhere else, too. So it’s almost like…Tom, go get that job. You deserve it."
In a completely different conversation with Tony Allen, Tony brought up Thibodeau himself when answering a question about what makes this team special in its quest for another title…
" When everybody’s focused in and understanding what Tom Thibodeau wants and executing Doc Rivers game plan, that all (joins) together and get us these wins."
Now that you mentioned him, what do you think about the possibility of losing Tom to the Hornets or someone else?
" I’m not thinking about losing Thibodeau. (emphatically) Thibodeau’s a Celtic."
To be sure, losing Thibodeau would bring a deep cultural adjustment for everyone here. He has cast a wide shadow with the players and organization. But as Ray said, he has earned the chance to run his own ship.
Tom would have to expand his own world in doing so. A head coach has far more responsibilities than an assistant (or associate HC) does.
It has been an unusual relationship between Doc Rivers and Tom Thibodeau. Not many head coaches would accept someone with the title of Associate Head Coach. Doc has had no problem with it and Thibodeau’s role has been large in the defensive success of this team.
But knowing your Xs and Os are only part of the job.
A head coach has to have good, or at least, effective relationships with his players. With few exceptions, the General Pattons don’t usually last long in the NBA. It was said to be an area of weakness for Scott Skiles in his first gig as head coach of the Suns. Thibodeau seems to have a great relationship with the players here. Translating that to the head coach role is his challenge.
Head coaches have to be able to deal with the media on a daily basis. It’s been reported that one of the reasons the Nets were interested in Avery Johnson is his ability to deal well with media. It is a highly image conscious business.
Some former assistant coaches thrust into interim head coaches have not enjoyed that part of the job. Chicago assistant Jim Boylan is one that comes to mind. When asked what was the hardest part of being a head coach at the end of his year there, he was joking when he said…
"Talking to you guys every day."
But there is a skill to it, especially when things aren’t going well. It surely isn’t the number one skill team management looks for, In fact, it’s probably way down the list, but it is a consideration.
If Tom is offered and takes the New Orleans job, there is a solid core of talent there with premiere point guard Chris Paul, David West, Emeka Okafor, Darren Collison, and Marcus Thornton.
The Hornets aren’t going to be big free agent spenders, and they are locked in with salaries for next year at the moment. Yet, a healthy roster should field a winning ball club. CP3 missed 37 games last season.
Nationally Known?
Thibodeau is probably the best known non-player, non-head coach currently coaching in the league. With his resume of enormous defensive success in his 19 years of coaching in the NBA, you wonder why it hasn’t happened sooner.
In an already successful career, his work with the Celtics catapulted Tom to national attention. How many other assistant coaches does the general basketball public even know?
The Celtics set the league abuzz in 2007-8 with their crushing defense. Having Kevin Garnett meant everything. But getting the rest of the team to buy into a system of trusting defensive rotations had Tom’s signature on it.
The Celtics were the top defensive team in 2007-8 and managed to keep the Celtics in the top 3 last season even without Garnett for 14 games and KG playing injured in a number of games before that.
Thibodeau has been in rumors before and it hasn’t been established that he will take the position if offered. My own feeling is he will take it. While the New Orleans franchise definitely has some challenges, it is a relatively good situation. You get to coach (arguably) the top point guard in the league and there is a decent core there.
Resume
Mr. Tibbs resume is impeccable as a defensive coach. In 19 seasons, his teams have finished in the top ten in team defense 16 times. In his tenure with the Knicks, his team set the then-NBA record of holding teams under 100 points 33 straight times in the 2000-01 season. His Houston teams were strong defensively.
Smart Man
And who can doubt that Tom is a smart man. Before coming to Celtics, he walked out on a Wizards job… after just a single day there.
If he goes, it will be sad to know that Thibs isn’t on the sidelines barking out orders to the Men In Green any longer. He helped create one of the league’s most incredible defenses. But he has earned a shot at running the whole show.
Even when the Celtics weren’t playing that well this season, it was the offense more than the defense that was out of whack. With all their issues, the Cs still played a pretty fair defense.
ESPN has added its name to those who say that New Orleans is looking to grab him up.
I wish him the best if it happens – wherever he goes.
But first, help these guys get title 18.
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He's smart, he can be a great coach on many levels, but....
- He will likely never again be as successful as he has been in Boston. Because he will never have Kevin Garnett again. Nobody will…. they broke the mold after KG.
- He’s never played pro ball, and for that and other reasons, he may have a hard time communicating with and earning the respect of some players. And one bad apple can ruin a whole barrel.
- Cs should make Thibs an offer he can’t refuse. If possible.
Chicago
is a front runner for the king – and they already have rose –
so if they get thib, he’ll be successful.
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Doubt it
LeBron will either want an established marquee name like Phil/Riley OR a coach who will be his beyotch. Don’t see Tom as a guy who will take crap from any of his players. Mike Brown got fired because he didn’t play the guys LeBron wanted.
Tom is better off in Boston or NO, but he’ll need to run things like a bit like Doc. Hire an offensive guru and let him do his thing. Doc gets bashed on quite a bit, but he definitely knows how to draw up plays in crunch time and talk to his team.
Tom can’t fall into the same trap as Jim O’Brien, thinking strictly D and having players channel him out.
by post-it note on May 26, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Except for the good team that has Chicago
I don’t know why Elbron want to go there!!! He still a shadow of Michael Jordan.
Well if elbron wins 5 champs there
He won’t be under the shadow of nobody
but I dont think that will happen
we need to put a run on durant next year!
by friedgreentomatoes on May 26, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Brown...
… got fired because he is not a very good coach. LeBron and his role players won the 60 games this year, not Mike Brown calling up amazingly effective plays or defenses that kept the other teams guessing. I would never want to see him coaching the Celtics.
He deserves his shot
but I’m glad it will be in N.O. and not Boston.
No offense to him and maybe if he does well in his first stint he can come back to Boston in a few years after Doc leaves.
We need Doc to stay through KGs contract.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Agree with you
It may be our loss, but he worked his ass off to be deserving of a head coaching position in this league. Fortunately, it is not in the east.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
by Marjun Raposon on May 26, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
A superb defensive coach earning a chance to run the show ...
Romeo Crennel comes to my mind. Hopefully Thibodeau will have much greater success in his first head coach job.
Don't rule out...
…him being the next CELTICS head coach. If these rumors of Doc retiring are true who better to take over than Thibodeau?
My bet
is that when Doc leaves Kevin McHale waltzes in.
It is known as “the second shoe dropping” in the KG trade.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
He is not leaving
I think he will take over Doc who will leave at the end of the season with two rings.
If he`s offered the job by the Hornets...no question he is gone
However, they have never been known to be a very “stable” franchise…and there are strong doubts that Tom has what it takes to succeed as a head coach.
Prediction : Tom goes to NO…gets fired after a year or two…returns to Boston.
If Doc leaves...
Tom stays.
If Doc stays Tom goes.
If Tom does go we should all wish him good luck and thank him for his service over the years with the C’s.
He is one of the main reasons the C’s played such great defense in 08 and won the championship and why we are in the hunt of another championship this year.
can we keep him?
if another team gives him an offer and he accepts and then doc leaves can we outbid the other team? can he even accept a contract while the playoffs are still happening? i credit Tom more than I do Doc for celtics success. Defense wins championships and he has been the brain behind our D.
Celts Success
The two coaching factors to our success have been managing the player’s emotions/effort/expectations/attitude/egos/etc., and managing our defensive dominance.
We wouldn’t be here without both.
by 1sport1team on May 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Tom
He had a chance to coach this season one game when Doc got ejected. He choked and didn’t make any moves or substitutions, then they lost the game.
He’s the highest paid assitant in the NBA so he should get a shot but I have it on good authority that he will not be coaching the Celtics.
Sounds good all the way around.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Disagree with Tom as a Head Coach
Guys, Tom’s a great guy and all and he may seem more like a controlling person. But one name comes to mind when dealing with personalities like Tom’s ~~ Jimmy Rogers ~~
Remember how he was the back bone behind K.C. Jones and what a wonderful job he did as a defensive coach, but once put into the role of Head Coach he failed. I remember Bird having issues with Jimmy even though Bird was a huge backer in Jimmy getting the Head Coaching Job.
My opinion, great for him, if he can finally get his payday for his family, but I really don’t see him with much success as a Head Coach. He’ll end up after his tenure with whomever going back to an Assistant Coach somewhere.
Wish him the best, but I don’t see him as a motivator and able to control the ""HUGE"" EGOS in the NBA today
Excellent example. Haven't thought of that.
Tex was a coaching genius who didn’t have excellent social skills (coaching-wise). Although I always see Thibs talking to players during game, telling them what’s wrong, etc. (Of course Tex Winter also did that during his tenure w/ the Bulls). Thibs has the potential. If he leaves, only time will tell if he will be a good head coach or not. If fortune is not kind enough for him, Boston’s door is always open.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.
by Marjun Raposon on May 26, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
It can be argued that ...
It can be argued that as a defensive team that Thibodeau is more important. In tampa when the NFL defensive coaching specialist was leaving (when we were the no.1 defense in the nfl) the owners matched the coaching contract that he was given to keep him around. If we win it all, hopefully Wyc will have that kind of pocket change lying around to do that. Of course if Doc does leave then its a moot point – just give the job to Tom for continuity’s sake.
Did he forget to make substitutions when Doc was ejected?
Is that really the guy we need coaching the team?
he'll get use to it.
It’s not going to be immediate success or match Doc, but Thibideau preparing for all stuff would make him better at it. It would take away from his ability to watch the defensive end though. It’s different things to watch out for.
My life's taught me never to take anything that comes for the first time
I haven’t heard about him much, but I think he should decline the offer. There will be a lot more new offers to come, especially now that the first one broke through. Why not take another championship title, and then stay with the team for one more season… Get some more experience, start practicing for being head coach, knowing it would come soon enough.
Bulls spotted him. Now he’s out there, the news are everywhere around the NBA – someone wants him as a head coach. He gained that much respect. Someone else will approach him as well.

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