Just Not Enough
by Jeff Clark on Jun 17, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
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4 points. That's how close we came to winning the Championship. It was a great run, but it fell just that much short.
I'll be replaying this one in my head for a long time. So many missed opportunities. So many offensive rebounds given up. So many open looks for Ray that didn't go in. A 12 point lead in the 2nd half.
- As painful as it is to do it, I have to tip my cap to the Lakers. They executed when they needed to. I hate writing that.
- Horrible shooting night for Kobe but our lack of scoring let him stay in the game with an opportunity to win it.
- I guess Sasha gets some amount of revenge for that Ray Allen drive in 08 by sinking the clinching free throws. That hurts.
- It was an ugly, slosh it out game, but I figured that would be advantage-Celtics. As it ended up, I was wrong.
- In truth, we have some desperation 3's to thank for it being as close as 4 points. Those were the only 3's that Rondo and Sheed hit all night and only the 2nd Ray hit. Love the effort, just not enough.
- I won't say that the C's got out-worked, even though the Lakers killed on the boards. The C's were diving on the floor going after any and all loose balls. They just didn't box out enough to overcome the Lakers' length.
- Yeah, injuries happen, but boy did we miss Perkins in the last two games.
- Ron Artest was brought in to beat us. Mission accomplished (against all odds).
- Rasheed Wallace was brought in to beat the Lakers. Mission not accomplished (though he came closer to it than any of us would have thought a few months agao).
- Credit the Laker defense, but the Celtics offense just couldn't get going tonight. Doc was imploring the team with "movement, movement, movement!"
- I kept waiting for Rondo to step up and take over. He had 14 points, 10 assists, and 8 rebounds, but I still feel like he could have done more.
- Good effort by KG for the most part. Nice fill in work by Baby and Sheed. Again, just not enough.
Man, if a couple of Ray shots fall... If a couple of rebounds bounce to us... If Ron Artest doesn't hit that 3 in the 4th...
Woulda, coulda, shoulda. It was close, but no cigar. Sorry Red, we'll get 'em next time.
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I hate to say this...
But Ray indeed lost this one for us. A pure shooter like him completely choked… He even made stupid defensive decisions which allowed Kobe to get into the paint occasionally and also making that stupid three point shot foul on Kobe.
Disgusting loss. Look at the FT attempts. Wow can the Lakers have more chances at the FT line. jeez.
Agreed
I love Ray but he cost us Game 3 and Game 7 with his poor shooting.
by BadNewsBarnes on Jun 18, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
We were all hoping...
Ray would give us another Game 2 performance…..Instead, he rolled another Game 3 performance.
That`s life!
I thought he played some great D...
and it is hard to overestimate how this effected his shot.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 18, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray played AMAZINGLY on the defensive end...
We gave Paul a f-ing break when he was guarding LeBron. I’m so sick of “fans” out to get Ray because the guy didn’t score. Maybe if other guys would have MOVED and tried to get the ball as much as Ray did, he wouldn’t have had to take as many shots.
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Agreed
Many of them played iso, which I have no clue why. I remember seeing Doc during one of his timeouts yelling out “MOVEMENT MOVEMENT MOVEMENT.” Because of such actions. Barely saw any improvement on movement after that. Ray on the other had was always moving through screens and etc. Sure he didn’t come up like we hoped, but he played FANTASTIC defense on Kobe. Why don’t we ask ourselves why didn’t Paul play d on the Ron Artest 3 in the late 4th?
Anyways, I agree with you schmalzilla.
That trade wasn't such a bad idea after all
Ok, just kidding, but hopefully the Ray apologists will learn to have some balance in their effusive praise whenever Ray puts in one of increasingly rare great games.
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
with us running an offense that could get no transition baskets it indeed falls on Ray to hit off picks
its not aall about what he missed, but also Rajon would think twice about making the pass and pass elsewhere
Ray cost us this title and there is no other way to look at it.
Of course. Let’s ignore the fact we couldn’t stop the entire Lakers squad from getting offensive rebounds and act all surprised when we get trounced next season due to lack of rebounding.
Sure. But the notion that Ray Allen lost us the game, and the frontline that let the Lakers grab 20+ offensive rebounds is somehow absolved from any responsibility just because they scored some point will still be ridiculous.
Correct notion
Why are you refusing to see that Ray cost us the game? If he had made just 2 of his 3 point attempts, we would have won. He’s a shooting guard for crying out loud. Who do you go from setting playoff record for most 3 points, to not making one the next game?
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by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You really are a Village Idiot.
Ray may have missed 10 shots. Did you notice that the guy he was guarding only went 6 for 24? That’s 18 misses.
Its a TEAM game with TWO ends of the court.
Ray was a net 1 while playing 44:50. Go look at the +/ for a few other players who played far fewer minutes before you point the finger at Ray.
Of course I am the Village Idiot, you just figured that out?
Ray sucked, deal with it. Somehow your opinion has to win out because you got all the facts that prove your point of view? Stop the hissy fit and to fit before you pop a vein, genius boy.
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by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL - at least I HAVE facts that prove my point of view.
You should try it some time.
I think the real blame goes to..
offensive/defensive rebounds and second chance points. We weren’t big enough without Perk. Isn’t it more logically to blame 8 to 23 offensive rebounds, 40 to 53 rebounds, than to blame Ray’s shooting? Sure he missed alot, but hey so did Pierce (Pierce made only two more shots than Allen). Not blaming Pierce or any of the Celtics, but you can’t blame Allen’s missed shots, as he is always the one running around like an Energized bunny rabbit. Just blame the Lakers’ damn mutational size.
If Only Ray
had made 2 of his 3 pointers…yada yada. Not a real argument. If only the Lakers had made more free throws then it wouldn’t have mattered if Ray hit 2 3-pointers. You can’t say the game would have gone the exact same way if a few shots dropped which would have changed the score which would have changed how the players play.
Hope so ...
C’s need a couple of big young athletic bigs who can rebound….especially if Rasheed retires and Perks injury takes time to heal.
Don't Blame it on Ray..
Blame it on Paul Pierce’s right hook to the referee.
by Castleblack on Jun 18, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
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Are you guys serious?
I thought Ray played a great game. Yeah, I know he didnt score much, but his defense on the best player on planet was fantastic. Kobe couldn’t get a clean look all night, he missed most of his attempts. Imagine if he could have scored like his usual self. That game would be out of reach in the 3rd quarter with all the offensive rebounds and second chance opportunities.
Also, didn’t Ray played all (most) of the season like this? I remember him beaing a deadly shooter but he isn’t anymore. I think that game 2 gave many people hopes that he’s back.
I don’t know, you, Celtics diehard fans, know a lot more than me, a Kings fan, about your team. Although Celtics are my 2nd- 3rd favorite team.
Anyways, I wish you guys had another ring, but thats NBA. You’ll be back next year. Remember that most of the people didn’t give you a chance this year. Look what happened
4 friking points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ugh. I’m sorry but I am in tears right now. I can’t do this. I’m avoiding the media for months..
I can because I will.. Makes sense?
u can't play D against FTs
everyone knew this game would be close and it was….but 19 4th qtr FTs??? c’mon….gimme a break
- JoeB
I know
what I am saying is the same type of defense in the first 3 quarters was called for fouls in the 4th
Not really. In the first three quarters, we forced the Lakers to take awful jumpers. In the fourth, they seemed to have a highway to the basket.
Right, but you can’t really blame the refs.
The non-call on that travel was weak. The non-call on Gasol in the rebounding action when he shove Rondo out of the way was weak (as compared to a loose ball foul on Davis for less contact that put Kobe on the line).
But what are you going to do. Go get the damned ball when it bounces off the glass, and you won’t have to worry about these.
by kozlodoev on Jun 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There was a foul called on KG when he had his hands at his side
for Gasol. There was a call on Ray when he had his hands on his side for Kobe – getting 3 fts. The block by Gasol on Garnett was obviously all wrist, clear on the replay that they kept showing and saying it was a clean block (?).
If someone can do a plus/minus on this game I’d wouldn’t be surprised on the number of missed calls, non calls, and foul calls favoring the Lakers.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But you can’t deny the refs had an impact on the 4th quarter when they really weren’t there for the first 3.
Celtics tired and fouled more in the 4th… There are always some bad calls but the refs called a good game imo
C’s had the chance and did not seize it
I'm not happy but...
No excuses… there were missed calls on both sides. We just couldn’t hold on to the lead. There were too many factors working against us; Perk, Artest’s D, Ray couldn’t find the basket, Wallace’s back is too old. Rondo needs to work on his intermediate shot. We were lucky we kept it close. I take pride in knowing we beat the odd and made idiots out of our critics who didn’t think we should be there.
We beat the Cavs and LaBrat, we beat Orlando, and we came to within 4 points of winning it all.
i’m not ready to taint our accomplishments by blaming the refs.
I thought it was a combination
But once the refs started calling fouls, it was significantly pro-Lakers
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Celtics had a 12-point lead in this one and if Ray Allen makes two of those threes the Celtics win
That and Paul Pierce letting Ron Artest score whenver he wanted to, plus the complete Laker dominance on the boards is the story of this game.
Kobe. Respect!
On display once afain was that killer instinct that makes him so special. Step aside LeBron James, Kobe rules. Wow.
Mad respect to the 2010 Boston Celtics. They exceeded all expectations. Lots of good things for the future.But Ray’s play is worrisome. Are his personal (family) problems getting in the way?
"You're about as useful as a one-legged man at an arse kicking contest." Rowan Atkinson
by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, classic
Sorry for the loss. I gained respect for the Celtics. Even though i feel that there is a huge talent gap between the two teams which the Celtics make up for by “playing physical” or otherwise known as playing dirty. But you gotta admire that even if it pisses you off during the game or when you lose.
Great series. I hope the Lakers learn something from the Celtics. I think the Celtics wanted it more, but just lost out due to the length the Lakers had.
And please, don’t blame it on Ray! As a Laker fan, that’s one guy i did not want shooting the ball. The one guy that i’m really afraid of on your team (or i should said, afraid of the most). He is a pure shooter, and he spreads the floor and allows the rest of the guys to go to work.
Hopefully the Celts aren’t finished yet. Keep this team together, add a few components, and come back next year and meet us in the finals. Peace. I’m so freakin happy right now, i truly wish i could share the feeling! The funny thing is that it’s all over a meaningless game, lol. Human psychology is a bitch.
I can at least sleep now,
But I’m sad to see the Celtics lose such a close game.
Congrats to LA though, even though I know there will be hundreds of trolls on here.
Just 2 of Ray's 3pts falling, and....
…we would have won. So yes, Ray gets the blame. There are many ways to lose a games though.
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by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
blame Ray all you want ...but...
this game was lost on the FT line. the 4th quarter was a FT shooting contest. Unfortunately for the Celtics the Lakers got 20 more attempts.
If Ray makes two more threes the Celtics win
Honestly 2-12 for Ray. I just don’t get it
I like your point vinnie. At the same time with your logic if the refs call 2 less fouls that shouldn’t have been fouls it’s at least a tie game lol.
not really
if the ref’s don’t call the touch fouls in the 4th, the lakers might have scored anyway.
the c’s missed way way way too many open shots for us to put this on the refs.
Or if the refs
Call that traveling ( up and down) on Gasol, that would make or shoul i say could make a HUGE difference.
Not sure his rebounding was A+
But I do agree he fought and fought and fought.
So tough without Perk out there.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
agree...
also why not bring nate a little earlier. I didn’t catch the whole game but when I came back Boston was leading by 1 in the fourth Q.
Well, last year, by a slim margin, Orlando WAS better than us.
We were missing a couple of guys named “KG” and “Powe”. You may have heard of them.
Without our best player overall and and our first big off the bench, Orlando managed to squeak by. You guys did right by beating them. It would have been embarrassing if you had not.
i will take back to back with the
opportunity to three peat.
thanks.
by lakersbluedevil on Jun 19, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Pathetic. Same old, same-old lost it for us.
Stopped moving the ball on offense, stopped going to the basket, stopped doing what worked. This team is old, and it is now done. Blow it up boys, we’re going home empty handed.
USG
Keep the team together! The Celtics had one of the great playoff runs of all time. They just needed a bit more from the bench. Allen is fine, but they need to be able to reduce his minutes so he is fresher. One more solid bench scorer and the C’s can win next year!
I’m more a Laker fan but the Celtics are a great team! It would be a shame to break them up.
So close....
Wanna cry so bad~~~~~~~~~~~~~ but they just could hold on to the lead!
But still a good fight!
Celtic forever~
BLu
Wait til next year
We’lll see them again
by Celtico on Jun 18, 2010 12:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Seriously, I don't know what to type
Oh well. Outside the green faithful, no one expected our boys to come out the East.
But damn. 4 FREAKING POINTS!!!
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
Let RAY GO...He lost us this game.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
I think Ray will be gone
Just too inconsistent and Danny won’t pay him what he wants
Yeah- a week ago everyone said to keep him and we need him and laughed at trade rumors…now we need to get rid of him..
I've always thought
He should and would be let go, regardless of what happened in the finals.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That said
Ray has been a great Celtic.
I harbor no ill will.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Not everyone
Recall my lone voice of dissent even when I was being taunted.
To be fair to Ray though, while he bears the most responsibility for this series loss, I still see him as an integral part of the Cs going forward.
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by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The inconsistensies is so glaring, look, I love Ray to bits but if Ray asks for more than 6m per then forget it, Sign and trade him and I won't regret it.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Ray also lost us Game three.
0 for gazillion from the field, he makes 2 field goals that game C’s are World Champs
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look we will all look at this differently but Ray DESTROYED us in game three and game seven
and with even reasonable refs calls in game two we don’t need all his threes
he has to go. its not worth it. get a steady wing and your better off. he alsmost killed us two years ago as most of you recall
Speechless.
Absolutely gutted.
What can you do.
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Free throw difference disgusting!
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
was it the refs
or were the lakers just more aggressive?
Lakers got a lot of free throws in the fourth quarter
But Celtics let this one slip away in the third. Another double-digit lead gone up in smoke. Really only Garnett and Sheed brought their “A” games tonight in my opinion. ANd the thing that killed them all year, the inability to rebound, was the major difference tonight. I am looking forward to the rebuilding.
Very true
It’s going to be a VERY interesting summer.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still proud
The Celtics fought when nobody said they would. They made it all the way to the NBA finals, and forced the series to 7 games, and were 4 points away from a title. Congrats to them for all of their effort.
Their effort was severely lacking offensively this game.
USG
by Ben Buchanan on Jun 18, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I second that
Everyone predicted Lebron and Kobe. While it hurts for the Lakers to win, at least the Celtics pretty much made everyone’s predictions shut up all the way to the finals.
I will always have a soft spot for the Celtics after they sent LeBron home crying… They made him quit, give up… Was great to see.
Again, even though I am more a Laker fan, thanks Celtics for some of the best basketball I have seen during the playoffs. The Celtics crushing of Cleveland and Orlando, two teams who thought they were great, was something to watch.
Yay
Our season demons came back tonight. Poor rebounding and losing the lead. Of all the games to have happened. And lets keep try to get Ray involved when he is cold and start PP iso in the 3rd quarter.
Do NOT blame Ray
He spent a ton of energy on defense.
What a great year. Why am I so damn depressed?
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by schmalzilla on Jun 18, 2010 12:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Then don't go to him so much on offense
It seems as simple as that. And why did they stop running pick and rolls for Pierce, and isntead have him isolate on Artest about 5 times in a row and get nothing?
+10000000000
They made PP work three times as hard as they should have.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen such good pick n' roll D from the Lakers, though.
Every time Pierce would get a screen, the Laker would switch onto him and force him to give up the ball. He probably could’ve been more aggressive though.
Nothing special about the Lakers D on the p-n-r
Every team defended Pierce on the p-n-r this way. Pierce just wasn’t himself on offense. Sad to see that happened in Game 7 of the Finals.
by getthat18now on Jun 18, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions
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Amazing how they let them play for about 3 quarters and then started calling everything on against us.
For more advertisement money I guess.
The refs started blowing their whistles a LOT in the end… Jesus.
Yea they let the boys play for 3 quarters....
and the C’s were just fine.
Then the refs called alot of fouls on the C’s in the 4th and LA pulls away….hmmmm seems fishy huh?
I think Boston started fouling more due to being out of gas
We got away with a lot on Kobe early on.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
well, that's cuz they let them play early
which was pretty great. up ‘til the 4th quarter, i wouldn’t say the refs were giving either team an advantage. in the 4th, they blew their whistles on everything on us. all fouls, mind you, but fouls that weren’t called earlier, and that weren’t called on the other end.
by guy incognito on Jun 18, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Laker fans would tell you different early on
Either way, I think it’s very easy to poison the whole year for yourself if you give into the ref stuff. L.A. won the last two at home. They were better.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
The way the game was being called completely changed in the 4th quarter in my opinion. Obviously this hurt the Celtics more than the Lakers.
Agree 100%
Why did the refs start blowing the whistle in the 4th when they did such a great job letting the players decide the game in the first 3 quarters is puzzling.
I can't believe I saw that kind of one sided
officiating in the 7th game of the finals. Now I know how sacramento felt. This was the poorest job, on the biggest stage possible. Say what you want about the Celtics, the Lakers don’t win if they don’t get 20 more FTs than we do.
And both teams played equally hard, yet the foul calls enormously favored the Lakers. What a joke.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree the C's were fouling - but the one-sided aspect was ridiculous
In a game like that, it was a weird ending
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Having the same feeling as SB XLII
12 point lead…
Lakers 16 titles… can over take us
Ray Allen poor shooting
too many fouls
can’t hold a lead
The Night of What-Ifs…..
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
Meh...
This looks awfully good right now.
"Too much coffee. Too much coffee and Gatorade. It's a hell of a mix. If you're ever tired in the morning, just try that mix, and tell me what you think."
- Kevin Garnett
ugh.
I had a freakin’ blackout in my area for the whole 3rd quarter… there was no electricity, and I was going nuts… but now, now…. I have no words… no words…
I initiated my own blackout with 2 min. to go in the 4th
I went to bed because I just knew this was going south and I didn’t want to see any Laker celebration in any way, shape or form. Couldn’t sleep of course, so thought I’d come check out the blog. Refuse to turn the TV back on though. Don’t think I could take it.
Scrub the 2-3-2 format...its broken the C's in 85 and now in 2010, its not fair to have 2 HC games in gm 6 and 7
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
17fts to 37fts (only 2 on purpose)
Tim Donaghy’s best friend strikes again..
Well, I did say the Lakers had to shot more than
double our free throw attempts in order to win. I guess I was right.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would have guessed that Sascha Vujavic and Ron Artest would drive the nail into our coffin.
"Too much coffee. Too much coffee and Gatorade. It's a hell of a mix. If you're ever tired in the morning, just try that mix, and tell me what you think."
- Kevin Garnett
Sort of
The plan was to double off him.
But yeah – in the end Paul won’t feel great about that matchup.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn it I want to watch the 131-92 game
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." - Vince Lombardi
+1
"Too much coffee. Too much coffee and Gatorade. It's a hell of a mix. If you're ever tired in the morning, just try that mix, and tell me what you think."
- Kevin Garnett
by Celtics_Green on Jun 18, 2010 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
unfair to blame ray. he kept the best player in the league to 6 of 24 shooting.
we should be proud of how they played
Was not Ray.
It was the rebound and FT like always. The only thing with Ray is that he REALY miss good looking looks.
But it's true, Ray cost us this series
You slice it, dice it, trot out any kind of stats to try and disprove it, but it won’t change the fact that Ray sucked in a major way and cost us the game.
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by The Village Idiot on Jun 18, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
typo'd - yeah, 25%
The reason Kobe made 3 more FGs is because he shot 11 more FGAs.
Kobe shot nearly as many FGAs (24) as Pierce and Ray combined (28).
The Ray blame game is ridiculous.
ah, no. it's your argument which is ridiculous
at the risk of wasting a couple more seconds of my life on this…
firstly, why attempt to explain why kobe made more fgs? Don’t overestimate your intelligence, or underestimate who you’re writing to. It makes you look arrogant and stupid all at once, kinda like kobe.
Secondly, why are you talking about kobe in the first place? Are we having a debate here to see who had the ugliest shooting performance tonight?
But REALLY ridiculous is you trying to justify Ray’s performance by comparing his shooting with the horrible shooting of an opposing player, who happened to score 10 4th quarter points. Of COURSE Ray’s to blame!!! Is he the only thing to blame? Again, of course not. Dam..
Did he play solid D on kobe, yes. So what? As has been pointed out to you elsewhere, he’s a shooting guard. He shot 21% in the biggest game of his career. He shot horribly in Game 3, which many (myself included) believe we would have won, and would have changed the trajectory of the series, if he had managed to hit just a few baskets, instead of none. I like Ray, a lot, and I respect his game and work ethic. I think he played all out tonight, and I’m not criticizing his effort, or his heart. But if you’re going to talk numbers, Ray shot 37% in the finals, and that includes his record-breaking Game2. Worse still, he shot a horribly INCONSISTENT 37%. He did a nice job defending kobe, although it was the team defense that shut him down, not Ray.
To state the obvious, as you did (although perhaps this isn’t so obvious to some) there is no SINGLE reason we lost this game, or the series. However I agree with many of the posters here who feel, and saw, that Ray’s shooting was extremely poor, and (along with Doc’s inability to limit the number of shots he took) was a major factor in why LA now sports another ring.
Done.
Done? Feel good?
The point about Kobe is relevant because it points out that LA didn’t lose despite Kobe shooting so poorly. Thus you can’t say that Boston lost simply because Ray shot poorly. Its a team game. Further, the number of shots is relevant because the impact of Ray’s misses was smaller.
The reason the ‘blame Ray’ game is ridiculous is because of the big phat elephant in the room: We committed an attrocious number of fouls in the 4th period – which was basically because our bigs were gassed from playing so many minutes. We sent LA to the line 19 times in the 4th, largely because we were gassed. Perkins’ absence was huge.
Agree Perk's absence was huge - although I thought Wallace played heroically
It’s amazing it was so close, and it makes the loss that much harder to take.
But consider, it was a 4 point game DESPITE the elephant (and btw I think you overstate the fatigue levels – I’ve watched the 4th quarter a couple of times now. Fatigue was a factor, but I don’t think it was key. It was more like an elephant graveyard really. Lots of factors), then shooting % becomes all the more critical. I mean, if they were going to run out of gas, nothing was going to change that (other than playing the bench more, which Doc should have), but shooting % wasn’t ‘written’. Ray’s 1/9 going into the 4th. How can you argue that wasn’t a huge factor in determining the final score?
Also I got the kobe argument – my questions were rhetorical because I thought it was spurious. You can’t transpose statlines between players on different teams and say “well we can’t blame this guy because this other guy on the other team did the same thing and they won etc etc”. That’s just not valid reasoning. Players shoot within the context of THEIR team, and at particular moments in the game. You can say player A shot a higher percentage than player B. You can’t (validly) say player A’s % would have meant x,y or z on a different team, even if they occurred within the same game.
You said “thus you can’t say that Boston lost simply because Ray shot poorly”, but who said that? Not me. You’re making a straw man argument. I specifically said “there is no SINGLE reason we lost this game, or the series”. Ray’s shooting, unfortunately, was a major factor. Not THE ONLY factor.
thats just it, I don’t think there is anyway you can place blame on a single player. This is a team sport, and this team played great during the the playoffs. Yeah, it sucks Boston lost, and its going to hurt for awhile. But they lost to a good team, and put up one hell of a fight—there is something to be said for the determination of the 2010 Boston Celtics.
Two more shots by the Celtics = 2 more foul calls by the refs.
The two buckets wouldn’t have made any difference.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Depressed...
We came so close. Came up to missed wide open shots, lack of stops and lack of rebounding. Our struggles all year, what an irony uh.
It sucks to lose so close, yet we fought till the end, Rondo’s 3 was huge and his near steal too. Proud of the team, great playoffs run but we didn’t win, so it’s a failure.
Kudos to Gasol and Artest who where the best Lakers tonight and led them to victory.
Next year will be different for the C’s… lots of changes coming.
Perk’s absence was a big factor, alas. Sheed played a near perfect game, till the end. Kudos to him, he stepped up as expected.
I always think our offense is the problem
… coupled with the pathetic rebounding all year.
Proud
I’m proud of this team.
Thanks guys for this run, thanks
I’m not going to dwell on this one possession by possession.
As a coach, when you get every single thing your club had to give you, you can live with the result. Pointing to one possession, one missed shot, one player is fool’s gold.
I’m proud of the effort, proud of the run. Going into the playoffs, I had no idea if we could win one series. We came a possession or two away from the title.
good night
don’t blame any individual, they lost as a team, as they could have won.
If you are caring about trolls around CB, imagine a full country of faker bandwagoners because of Pau ;)
This is sad, but the Celtics could have won it in six, could have won it in seven. They didn’t. It doesn’t matter the bad officiating, and the cheap shots by the Lakers. They just won.
But they are not the better team, and they haven’t beat our starting 5. Perk would have helped a lot, think about rebounding and foul trouble for our bigs. Next time it will be better for us, hopefully.
Love the Celtics. Don’t blame it on Ray, he wasn’t the same since he was hit in the 3rd game. Give credit to the Lakers and their “bad boy” style.
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
Rockets fan here:
You guys played a hell of a game. You guys had more heart than the Lakers. I’ve always admired yall’s team defense, and it was outstanding this game. To lose by four points on the road without your best shot blocker and rebounder is a damn good loss. Congrats on makin it to the finals and pushing the series to 7 games. Much respect from all the Rockets fans. You guys had our support. We’ll see yall next year.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
geez… The Celtics smoked Cleveland and Orlando… the two teams with the best records in the NBA this season. Then they took the Lakers to 7 and gave them everything they could handle.
The 2 games (6 & 7) on 1 days rest plus travel hurt the C’s. They tired in the 4th with all the minutes and lack of Perkins.
The Celtics are a championship calibre team and really only need a bench player who can do some scoring and to be able to play Ray Allen less minutes. Less minutes for Allen and he will shoot a higher percentage.
Also, KG will likely be better next year than this. It takes a while to fully recover from knee injuries.
this one is on doc and kg
everytime KG or sheed got the ball in the post, something good happened. so what do we do in the 4th?….keep running plays for ray who is 1 for million, PP isolations which aren’t working. its unreal. i don’t know if its KG not wanting the ball or doc not calling plays for him, but its just bad.
with that said, i still love this team. they never give up and they left it all on the court tonight, easily the best defensive performance of the playoffs.
and guys please don’t make exucuses, i really think the lakers were the better team tonight. if you wanna look at ray’s missed shots, look at lakers missed free throws(by good free throw shooters)
great season and we DO have a chance to come back next year!
Agreed...The Iso's and Ray missed open shots killed us.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Why weren't the Celtics continually feeding Garnett and Wallace in the post?
It was driving me nuts hat Wallace’s teammates were allowing him to park his ass up at the top of the three point arc.
And why couldn’t Doc understand that Ray Allen wasn’t going to get it done tonight?
At least I'll spend less time in front of the tube...
Can’t watch ESPN for months
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by schmalzilla on Jun 18, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Needed more from rondo and pierce
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder if Perk would have been the difference
between losing and winning this championship
worse than last night
I never even finished watching Game 6. Lack of passion, commitment, intensity, pride. The Celts did show up at least (this Game 6 possibly excepted).
Derek fisher 3 killed us man I hate that flopper
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
as does the Artest three..PP should have closed a bit to Ron's chest on that play.
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
on the bright side though the celtics have never lost a series with our starting 5
perk was the missing starter
Silly "never lost a series" BS
I don’t see the relevance – there’s still only 1 title, with LA getting 2 of three WITH injuries
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why were we so pathetic in the 4thQ?
Age? Or too many people wanted to get it done by themselves?
(soz) Phil's team took it to the rack
Doc’s took 25ft jumpers when the team was shooting poorly.
Tired legs.
Not having Perk meant we went with a 3-man rotation instead of 4 for our bigs.
KG and Sheed were obviously very gassed at the end. Especially Sheed. We had him out there for 35 minutes – way more than he has played in a loong time. BBD played well, but we really missed Perk.
And Ray and Paul were both tired from playing 45 minutes each because TA sucked while he tried to sub in.
Oh, a few choice ref calls didn’t help. But if only we had some slightly fresher legs, that might have made the difference, despite the free-throw disparity.
Ray was the least of the problems...
Did we not see that the 20 back to back Pierce iso plays were not working?
Pierce Iso = bad. Ray's shooting = really bad.
I think we saw the last of Ray Allen in a C’s uniform tonight and I appreciate everything he has done. Can’t wait for the draft.
We choked. Period. Like Phil Jackson said, we coughed up more fourth quarter leads than any team. We need to rebuild. There is no way we get close to the finals again with this team.
Need a starting centre to win a championship.
Need Perk.
"Uhh... Wife makes chicken..." - Brian Scalabrine 2007
There is nobody to blame IMO
Both teams left it all on the court and rebounding was the difference.
Van Gundy is an absolute A-hole
I cannot believe he actually said we should be happy for Ron Artest. Is he kidding? No, he is just an asshole. Ron Artest? The scumbag who went into the stand to fight fans in Detroit. The scumbag who was starving his dogs to death. Yeah, we should be happy for him.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/17029765/
Next he is going to tell us to feel sympathy for OJ
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
Artest 3 right after wallaces also killed our chances
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
On the bright side
Lakers fans are put in the awkward position of cheering for a
rapist/adulterer (Bryant) and a
wife beater (Artest)
so congratulations Lakers fans. Enjoy the spoils of victory and all that comes with it.
Great points
I knew Kobe was a rapist but didn’t know Ron-Ron was a wife beater.
by BadNewsBarnes on Jun 18, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i tell anyone who will listen about the rapist
but didn’t know about Artest.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on Jun 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Gil
Forget that stuff…
Congrats on the win. Hope you’re having a great night.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yes forget it
so you can enjoy all the new commercials featuring the great champion Bryant. Maybe he and A-Rod will do one together.
Maybe Ben Roethlisberger can have a miraculous recuperation as well and join them some day so long as we all just agree to forget, we’ll all feel good. It’s the American way.
haha
you guys are so whack, you lose a championship, then get online and whine like little women! hahahahah, go get drunk or something, leprechauns!!
by lakernationn on Jun 18, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
you can also add
dog starver and
fan assaulter to that
that's the point
and that’s what makes us better than them ;-)
Marcus Webb, Ron Mercer, Chauncey Billups
1 celtic pleaded guilty to felony sexual assault, two other celtics settled their civil cases just like Kobe did.
That’s what makes you a HYPOCRITE
;-)
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow your a really pathetic sore loser...
You should be happy that your team made it this far….
by What_happened_Cleveland on Jun 18, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
did I play in tonight’s game and not know about it? I lost nothing and being a fan of the Celtics also doesn’t cost me anything which is more than I can say of someone who cheers for Kobe Bryant.
It's costing your dignity and shows your classlessness...
Just like most Celtic fans… and BTW, I cheer for a team not an individual… It’s losers like you who looks into a person life…. and BTW.. Your the one who said Rapist / Adulterer…Never convicted of rape….. But you can hate him as an adulterer….
by What_happened_Cleveland on Jun 18, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, i can't believe the class of Celtic fans
Look, your team was not good enough to win. It is very simple. The talent gap between the lakers and the celtics is HUGE. The only reason the talent gap was eliminated was because the refs allowed you guys to play DIRTY basketball. Fouling over and over without getting called.
Now you guys lose and start the name calling, lol. Reminds me of you classless losers assaulting the lakers in ‘08 by shaking their bus and throwing rocks at the bus by a bunch of hooligans. That’s Boston. A bunch of Racists, poor losers and folks who find it ok to assault others in a bus. Believe me, after that, classless name calling doesn’t even register, lol.
Enjoy the one championship, probably be another 30 years before you win another, lol. Don’t worry, you can always “cherish” the rings that happened 50 years ago when no one here was even alive and there were 8 teams in the league, lol.
"The talent gap ... is HUGE" ?????
4 pts in a game 7? With your opponent missing their starting center?
You consider that a “HUGE” gap?
obvious point
the talent gap was NOT huge, it was almost nonexistent. but let’s have no whining about starting centers, OK? how many points did Bynum score?
I am proud of this team for what they have gone through and accomplished this season.
2 baskets short of #18
Boston Celtics and loyal fans
You have an excellent website. you have an excellent fan base and you have an excellent team. Hang in there guys, I know how you feel. Try to keep Allen and hopefully next year we will see you guys again with both teams at full strength. The series was hard fought and early in this game I thought we would be the losers. See you next year and don’t take it out too much on my Dodgers who are now in Boston
This was a great game for 3 quarters
Even my girlfriend, who couldn’t care, or know less about sports, asked me about 4 minutes into the 4th “why’d they stop letting them play and start blowing the Lakers?” Once again the NBA proves itself to be the WWF with a ball. In the penalty with 8 minutes left in the quarter?? They hadn’t called fouls all game. The league should be ashamed of itself
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
most of the calls in the 4th were legit
by celtsfan907 on Jun 18, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot of cheap calls early got them in the penalty immediately
that changed the whole complex of the game
- JoeB
I agree, but...
where were the fouls on the other end. Ticky-tack fouls are easy to see and call on both ends.
Completely untrue.
SOME were legit no doubt. What about when Gasol crossed half court with 1 sec to get across and I think Pierce was literally just standing still. Boom, defensive foul. Disgustin
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Thats the NBA
Look, when my girl is pointing the nonsense out its F’n blatant. The NBA doesn’t even try to call a legit game anymore. Baseball is getting just as bad. I’m about to limit myself to football and hockey
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
Got to agree. When you get an unbiased
observer it’s obvious.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
of course it was
my problem isn’t so much with the bad calls as the predictability of them. I called them to my buddy at about 11am thismorning. And he called me right when it ended to say I was right. THATS the problem. Its a given with the NBA
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
he was not
literally just standing still. he was moving and cut across gasol. it was a foul.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 18, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Noone expected us to get this far in the playoffs; can’t say I’m not disappointed but I’m proud of our Big Three’s last hurrah.
"Too much coffee. Too much coffee and Gatorade. It's a hell of a mix. If you're ever tired in the morning, just try that mix, and tell me what you think."
- Kevin Garnett
if you think this team is done you are crazy
i actually think KG will be healthier next year, we still got Rondo and don’t forget about Big Baby who is easily the best thing that happened in these playoffs, AND we might now have a legit backup point if we resign Nate. trust me, we will be Ok next year
by celtsfan907 on Jun 18, 2010 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
It will be several years - 3-4 - before the Celts see the finals again
But I have faith in danny and he will make some great moves in the offseason
coaching, too
Our offense stunk in the second half. No fast breaks, no use of the bench, isolation plays?? Why didn’t we stick with what worked in the 1st half? Poor rebounding doomed us again. I also don’t understand the officiating in the 4th quarter. Total frustration.
You can't get any fast breaks when the other team is
always at the free throw line.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If this is the price we have to pay for 08's magical season
Then it’s still worth it! We didn’t get beaten up, nor humiliated. We just didn’t win the game or series that clearly could have gone either way. Still proud of our Cs, still believe they should be the champs.
by TheBigTicket_05 on Jun 18, 2010 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
There is a bright side...
Boston still has one of the best PG in the league to build around.
Agreed, but he needs to significantly improve his outside shooting and free throw shooting
If he does, he can be the best. If he does not, he will still be top 10.
Yeah, if only Rondo could hit three pointers like Ray Allen!
(Sorry. Just feeling a little bitter.)
Like I said in other posts, if Rondo has Nash's shooting touch, then ... look out
by getthat18now on Jun 18, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
This is very true.
Although if I had Nash’s shooting touch, I think I could be an all star, too. Point taken though. Hell Rondo only needs to not have the shooting touch of an average player to be scary.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 18, 2010 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Kings fan here
Just wanted to congratulate the Celtics on a great season. It sucks seeing the Lakers win the trophy, but the Celtics gave it their all without Perkins. No shame in losing, especially when the Celtics where expected to go this far.
BTW, Lakers fans can’t ever say Celtics fans are not classy. They booed Bill Russell on the podium.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
The Captain handed the MVP trophy and the crowd booed. Very classless. Not even Philly fans did that during the Stanley Cup Finals.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Lakers fans have zero class and all the tv/movie stars at the game
makes me want to quit watching tv. Especially Jack Nicolas in his sunglasses
That's o.k. In a few minutes they're
going to try to burn downtown.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That was pretty dumb to boo him like that.
Though I wouldn’t put it past the Celtics fans to boo a Lakers legend, either.
Well, I can easily envision Kobe getting booed forever in the Garden.
But I think most Celtics fans hold a lot of respect for guys like Magic and Kareem. I doubt they would get booed like that.
A dissapointing Boston sports season....
Patriots: 34-14 blowout
Bruins: Losing after 3-0
Soxs: Swept by Angels
Celtics: Falling short at Game 7
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
All that stuff about remember this game and it going down in history...
was short lived by a bunch of flopping morons and referees who bought into that crap. Unreal. They never gave us a chance. Several 4 point swings with no calls on our end and FT’s for Gasol.
i like to turn the page as fast as possible to deal with this kind of heartbreak
can anyone tell me something hopeful about next season? any trades or free agents that would be a fit?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
Celtics should be proud
It was an amazing and incredibly tough game and series. Celtics should be proud of how they played. Although I can’t get over the dissapointment about how close they got, I have a feeling they will be back next year.
by MR.BOMB on Jun 18, 2010 12:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
this game was a joke, after the third quarter when we kept the lead they knew they
had to give the lakers the game in the fouth. 19 free throws in a quarter, the Celtics shot 17 in the entire game. The refs ignored and exploited sheed the entire game, awarded flops to the lakers, and ignored lakers fouls. And Mike Breen annoys the hell out of me, the guy would get on his knees for kobe and dj mbenga. I could kill someone right now (breen, kobe, artest, joe crawford, dan crawford, lakers fans, derek fisher)
Celtics had a 12-point lead in the third quarter and let it slip away
The movement on offense stopped near the middle of the third quarter and never returned. Almost every shot they took in the fourth quarter was a bad one. That is why they lost.
4 points...
Ray played his ass off on D, just couldn’t get his shot to drop. Maybe he can’t do both anymore. We couldn’t take it to the rim against their pressure D. Hope Rondo can learn to finish in traffic better. Probably age has robbed PP and Ray of just enough juice in the legs to get there anymore. Turns us into a jump shooting team which didn’t get it done tonight. KG was a warrior out there. Props to Sheed also. Obviously changes will be coming. It will be interesting to see how Danny views this and what he tries to change.
Yeah, okay, Ray played his ass off on D.
But since he couldn’t make a decent per cent of his jump shots, then the Celtics would’ve been better off with Tony Allen on the floor.
except that they weren't
Tony was NOT good tonight. During his 5:20m of play, we gave up -9 pts!
That was part of the problem tonight. We couldn’t rest Paul or Ray because Tony was just not good tonight.
TA came up big other times this playoffs, but not tonight.
I'm not a big believer in that plus/minus stuff.
Tony looked like he was playing fine defense to me. And he wasn’t missing (or taking) any jumpers – unlike Ray Allen.
but he wasn't making stops.
Jeeze – its the scoreboard. Its what’s important.
plus/minus is not complicated.
Even though Ray was missing (some of) his shots – he was at least doing a fantastic job of preventing his opponent from scoring.
Tony wasn’t scoring and he wasn’t stopping his opponent from scoring.
He is exactly right for calling it out
it is one of the reasons (among others ) that cost us the game …
Their is no excuse for the refs allowing such a big free throw differential in game 7 of a NBA finals.
I don't know what you're advocating anymore?
Their is no excuse for the refs allowing such a big free throw differential in game 7 of a NBA finals.
Are you saying that even if a team is fouling the other team that the refs should intentionally keep the attempted free throws by each team equal?
might as well throw in the difference in shots taken and possessions...
…brought on by massive numbers of offensive rebounds as fishy too. Be interested to see avg fouls per possession.
COMMIT LESS FOULS
and the opponent will shoot less fts…
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
how about
23 offensive rebounds to 7.
uhm, does that count for anything?
hahahahhahaha
by lakersbluedevil on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
kind of lame for an owner speech
and that’s sayin something (people say beat LA!)
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to die!
Obviously not really. But now I have to go to work and listen to all the bandwagon foreign Lakers fans, who only know one damn player on their team!
I guess I should be happy I atleast have a job.
by KG's Knee on Jun 18, 2010 12:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
aaand the window is now shut close!
This was the Swan Song of this Old-man Celtics team. Defeating the Cavs and the Magic was a big feat and more than anyone expected from them. Heck, even taking the Finals to a game 7 is pretty awesome. Sadly, next year the team will be not as good. No Allen, No Rivers, No Thibodeau, Pierce and Garnett will keep losing the battle against father time. Only Rondo is the future! (I know Perkins is young too, but he is just a role player).
The Celtics are as good as anyone in the league!! They did not just squeak past Cleveland and Orlando, they crushed them.
Why are all you Celtics fans so down on the team!!??
They might be back next year. KG will likely play better than this year as his knee will have had the full time to recover. They just need a shooter off the bench so Allen can play less minutes and they could be right back in the finals.
Well, guys... it's goodbye time
I am completely disgusted by the NBA, and by the Celtics. They blew off game 6… for this? Foolish, foolish people. The refs helped LA win, but the Cs have no one to blame but themselves for every letting it go this far.
I certainly had a great time… but I am thankful to be done with it all. In my view, the NBA is not worthy of ANYBODY’s attention, let alone dedication. I thought the Celtics were a step above it all…. but they’re not. They’re just a slightly brighter part of the whole dark mess.
Cya, then…. if I ever come back (barring a complete upheaval inside the NBA) — just shoot me.
Bye.
Agreed
WWF in basketball clothing. Scripted
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
You are a trip with your conspiracy theories
Lakers won this fair and square. If you do not come back it has been fun jousting with you. Celts probably won’t be back in the finals for some time, but the rebuilding will be entertaining.
Hey vinnie--
…and OutletPass… I’ll BET YOU that I will not be the only one walking away. At least ONE OTHER GUY is walking away from this disgusting mess too. (And please don’t tell me that the refs didn’t help LA win this one… because they did.)
And that guy -- is DOC RIVERS. He will also leave now, in total DISGUST over what he had to put up with….. the refs, the NBA, the fixed games, the fixed series… all of it.
I don’t mind walking away in his company.
Doc may or may not walk away (most have thought he was leaving for months now)
But it’s not about the refs. It’s about his kids.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, whatever.
I know you can’t be reasoned with!
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
And besides...
The Celtics after this season will not longer be the same Celtics. They will grow and change and soon be unrecognizable. This is a good time to walk away. The run was awesome…. but all dreams melt eventually into reality and all things must end.
But, OutletPass is partly right…. I might say hi from time to time, just to bother y’all :)
I don't believe you're walking away at all
Just sayin’.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh come on it's not that bad
It’s not the NBA’s fault. I still love basketball and my team; always will.
Actually, it is the NBA's fault
…the system is very rotten, to its core. It can be saved only by a major overhaul — including the institution of video refs with veto power, the much tighter control of techs and fouls, and the firing of at LEAST 4-5 refs. IF they ever do that — and don’t hold your breath! — I will be back.
Otherwise, I can watch a good movie and get more out of it. It’s one giant scam now, and we’re the suckers who pay for it all. Which is why I’m done.
No, wouldn't extend the game at all
…they would be strictly limited in time… no change in the flow….
You called it DRJ1 - I didn't think I'd witness it in
the 7th game of the finals. Shocking.
by eastie Rich on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
He thought the Celtics would win easily tonight
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I did
- And I thought the refs would be fair.
- And I once thought the NBA would never fix a series.
I was wrong about a few things……..
your a fucking idiot. stop whining and just get the fuck off basketball forums if your so tired and done with it all. why are you even still saying anything? because your a loser and have nothing else to do and no where else to go. theres no conspiracy you dumbass, go cry in a corner somewhere. oh and dont drink the water threres fluoride in it. go fuck yourself.
by rabidmonkey51 on Jun 18, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I called this reaction
Over at http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/6/16/1520374/game-6-the-saddest-cut-of-all
I will now go out on a limb and place the lowest probability on this scenario: Lakers win AND you think Game 7 was not fixed.
and the highest probability is Lakers win AND Game 7 fixed (only bc I am a homer, and I think the lakers will win)
second highest is Celtics Win and Game 7 not fixed
third highest is Celtics win and game 7 fixed
which bring us back to Laker win, game 7 not fixed as the "hell will freeze over before you believe this" option.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
So they blew off game 6, not threw it?
Make up your mind.
by nba is the worst on Jun 18, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
its all about home court.
if the game was in boston no doubt we would have won the game look i,m not going to cry and moan nobody thought we would have gotten to the finals the cavs were the team to beat . they gave it a good run just fell short i,m not going talk negative about the lakers they out rebounded us on offense and they wanted it more then us congradulations to the lakers and that really hurts me to say that but i do agree ray allen has seen his better days i dont know what changes this team needs to make but we got some good young talent rondo perk hopefully garnett and pierce can give us some more years. just have to retool for next year i hope doc and pierce come back thanks fellas you gave every celtic fan a great season and you are still champions in all of are hearts see you next season ..
lohaus #54
My heart..
I have so much to say.. but I don’t want to… My heart really hurts. I’m crying. I feel like a sore loser but it really hurts. Not just because we lost, but because of the amazing team that will change with the days to come. The season was great.. I don’t know what is to come but I love the team altogether.
by mrsbostonceltics on Jun 18, 2010 12:19 AM EDT reply actions
I still love this team
So much heart. Shots were just not falling in the fourth. That last minute three by Rondo was great.
We should’ve won this one, we were on track. LA rattled us. But I’m glad it was such a close, physical game.
I’m gonna go and cry into my scotch for a while. And live in my little fantasy world where the C’s are the champs.
Aussie Girl, Celtics Fan.
Please don't.
We just lost a Championship. While we’re all proud of what the C’s achieved this season (especially during the playoffs), the ultimate goal just slipped out of our fingers. Perspective is a hard thing to come by right now.
Aussie Girl, Celtics Fan.
If true as a supporter of him I wish him well...
and thank him for almost getting us banner 18.
If he does retire do we get to use his salary immediately this off season?
Maybe..but if he does retire...
can we use his salary ASAP to sign another player this offseason????
Well, it depends
IF Sheed retired.
IF we don’t resign Ray.
IF Paul declined his option.
Then I think we would slip back under the cap by a bit. Which would be enough to buy … well, not much.
We are probably still better off talent-wise, if we keep all three.
Thanks mmmmm for trying to clear up my confusion......
to clarify though pertaining to Rasheed…. he makes $5 million and change.
If he retires can the C’s use all that $5 million and change to use this summer to sign another player?
Well, we would have the money (in Wic's pockets).
But whether we could spend it would still be subject to limitations.
If PP re-opts. Then Sheed’s numbers don’t get us under the cap. We then can spend up the the MLE on someone and we can use Bird rights to resign Ray (plus our other free agents).
KG just implied in his post-game comments that if Doc doesnt come back, he may leave his money on the table and retire.
A lot depends on Doc at this point. If Doc stays, I think the team will stay together. If Doc goes, you could see everybody gone.
I bet Danny already has a plan. There is hope folks
And Danny is going to start pulling the trigger and spinning the wheels very quickly.
Gonna be SO MUCH FUN to watch the rebuild
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the rebuilding process
And, if Danny continues to be one of the best GM-types in the league, I think it will be highly entertaining. Gotta start cutting the cords with some of the old guys.
??????? u love rebuilding?? i dont want to argue tonight AT ALL!! but the goal is to win not rebuild
not sure you're gonna get a title without a rebuild
Or a re-tooling at least.
I love draft day. Can’t wait.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Danny's willing to pay Sheed big money
And court him with limos, food, drinks whatever he wants
While I don't like the Celtics at all (or the Lakers for that matter)
I’d like to thank the Celtics for giving me a great series to watch win or lose.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985......
Maybe we should adjust our stats to per36 years of age? -- ElRonToro
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Sounded like Doc was leaning towards not coming back in his post game…didn’t say anything obviously, but just the feeling I got
Anyone got Kevin McHale on speed dial?
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Be sad to see Doc leave though
I love Doc.
But McHale looks like a great coach in the making.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Basketball Reference
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
doesn't appear to have anything on tonights game
unless I am looking in the wrong place.
Shop Smart! Shop S-Mart!
You might have to wait
If that doesn’t work, try the Yahoo boxscore.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
nba.com has a pretty decent box
and a full play-by-play log
Or NBA.com
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
They need:
A shooting guard to replace Ray
A center (I just don’t think Perk is good enough)
A backup point guard
a solid wing player
someone to replace Sheed if he is really done
That is a lot, but it is going to be interesting.
We keep Nate, we don't need a back-up PG
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
Perk gets you to the 7th game of the NBA finals
going through Shaq and Howard and Bynum along the way …
… and you “just don’t think Perk is god enough.”
You are so funny, vinnie.
I honestly believe that if Perk had not been hurt he would have been on the trading block this offseason
Glad I entertain you, though
Well, we are going to be in the market for C anyway.
Perk is probably out for the first part of the season, at a minimum.
And Sheed may retire.
????? did you guys miss the Orlando series?
And even in this LA series, yes we had trouble with Bynum. But we WON the rebounding battle in three of the first 5 games.
And only after Perk went down in the first period of the 6th game – from THAT point, we started having trouble on the boards.
We all love his D and rebounding
But he’s useless on offense.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
no he isn't.
Just because he isn’t a primary scorer does NOT make him ‘useless’.
Okay... how about...
He is a very bad offensive player.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Seriously???
Perk is a big man’s nightmare… Don tell me Pow Gasoline wasnt sleeping like a baby when he learned Perk wasnt going to punish him defensively…. Its the intagible players like Perk that make a team a COMPLETE team!
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
The Perk Fade away jumper and line drive hook...
You can only hope to contain it baby!
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Perkins is an asset… The Lakers crushed the Celtics on the boards from the moment he went down. Last 2 games Lakers had 26 more rebounds 26!!
Yes sir
I was in shock Boston was in the game with the offensive rebound disparity in the 1st. I had a bad feeling that would catch up to the Celtics…..it did. We miss you Perk!
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, and it wasn't just the rebounding.
It was also the sheer minutes. With older guys like KG and Sheed, we got gassed using a 3-man rotation instead of a 4-man. If Sheed and KG aren’t so tired at the end, we probably make a few more shots and commit a few less fouls.
No YOU started talking just about offense
when you couldn’t really deny Perk’s overall value.
They also need a PG who can take and make midrange jumpers
Hire a shooting coach for Rondo please.
by getthat18now on Jun 18, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Build around Rondo
Find a wing player who can shoot 3’s
Backup center
Backup Point Guard
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Ray Allen
It’s so hard to imagine that Ray could have a series as horrible as this offensively. Just unthinkable. But he played his guts out. specially on D. I’m still for keeping him for a reasonable amount of money. But if he asks for a bit more than Danny’s willing to offer, I’m afraid he’s gonna be gone. It would be a very interesting off season.
As bad as a offensive series he had...
he did a hell of a good job on Kobe this series and tonight and deserves alot of praise for that at least.
I hate the sight of the Lakers.
But I congratulate them as champions. I especially tip my hat to Gasol.
(Now I can go into hibernation for awhile.)
These are the kind of things that happen...
When the NBA execs have passed down the word to ensure victory to the opposition.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Some random thoughts on the game
Paul and Ray both missed 10 shots.
Ray’s defense helped cause Kobe to miss 18 shots! Kobe shot only 6 of 24! Ray was freakin’ unbelievable on defense! But did all that defensive footwork run his legs out of his own shot?
Ray and Paul had the best +/- numbers for our team.
Tony Allen did not have one of his better games. -9 for the game. That hurt because we couldn’t leave him in to rest Ray & Paul .
We played brutal shot defense on them, forcing them to take terrible first shots- but without Perk, we let them have too many second chance shots off offensive rebounds – that kept LA in the game.
The 4th quarter was frustrating because of the 19 FTs for LA. Yes, a lot of them looked pretty shaky. But a lot of them were because our bigs just ran out of gas. Tired guys move slow and foul people. And also shoot poorly.
It really hurt not having Perk. KG was blowing gas. Sheed was cramping. In many ways, the team just ran out of gas.
RONDO NEEDS A 12-15 foot Jumper!
Congrats Celtics. You guys have to be proud of this team even though they
fell a few points short of winning it all. Rondo was the main reason why LA
won the series. He needs to develop a 12-15 jumper. If he had that this series would of ended 4-1 Celtics. Boston’s window is not closed, however, if Rondo does not develop
a consistant Jumper, Boston will fall short again next year!
Sheed went out with an amazing last game if that was his!
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Another year, another off-season full of Kobe Bryant man-crushes...
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
i hate phil jackson, the guy bashes the celtics throughout the entire series then,
he starts praising rasheed wallace for being such a talented player, etc
He is as phoney as the city he resides in...
It must be a requirement to both live and coach in LA. He should be thanking David Stern for the gift.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesnt it bother anyone...
That this series had such an obvious flow and outcome… Am I the only one that saw this coming? I used to love the game when it was innocent to believe that the players actually determined the result of the games. Now we have dishonest officials, players with poor character and a commisioner that essentially approves of the behavior. This team represented everything that is right with basketball…. Team work, heart, unity and character… Yet we have to watch while those of a lesser degree in terms character and humanity get rewarded for their inappropriate actions.
I love my Celtics and I love the city of Boston, but I am now seeing the true side of the NBA as a whole and it taints my passion for Pro Basketball… Good thing we have our history in Boston, because that is the definition of Celtics Passion!
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions
Honestly, what are you talking about?
The Lakers won this series, in my opinion, fair and square. The Celtics were great, but did not have enough.
Hmm lets see...
You have an ex ref who is predicting game outcomes based off of officials assigned… The league has been accused of forgery… The league got the most out of the ratings by going 7 games… And you want to say that the outcomes are determined by those that dont play the game?
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
You should stop following the NBA
Clearly, makes you miserable.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont follow the NBA....
I watch Celtic games… The rest of the teams get no time unless the Green is on the floor.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You should give that up too
If you think it’s fixed.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Is this an intervention?
Hello my name is Paul and I am a Celtics fan…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
I’m over the conspiracy talk. Get over yourself. Blame it on Ray, blame it on our bigs for allowing so many offensive rebounds, but the refs? Stern? Honestly, get over it.
And I'm a Celtics fan before you mistake me for a troll
It’s clear it is infact making you miserable. You saying “I just follow the Celtics but not the NBA” is a childish copout.
Ive been trying to tell my friends here
about Donaghy (or whatever) and how he was calling games for WEEI based on nothing but refs. Some just wont believe it
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
BTW Im in Phoenix
I exercise strong self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast
He was making generic statements
I heard all those interviews. Most of the time (all of the time) he didn’t pick a winner.
So your statement ain’t accurate.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I think there is some creepy guy who sits in a dark room
And decides who wins every game
His predictions are like those of the fortune teller
He makes general statements that just about anyone can make about any game
Well we can hope to believe as such...
His record leans me to believe he has an idea…. Dont get me wrong the guy is a bum… It just really bothers me to think that it had occurred and potentially still does…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Why I am bummed, but already feeling better
I am older than a lot of you and saw many of the Celtics championships over the Lakers – it is a great memory
The last three years have been fun
I was there two years ago when the Celts won it all
After two years of doubt, I have complete confidence that Danny Ainge will do a great job rebuilding this team
I will always hae this blog to share my misery with all of you
If this is really the end of this team as it is right now ...
Then all I can say is thank you Celtics for giving me a thrill ride for the last 3 years that I would never ever forget in my lifetime. We may have come up short but at least we hung in there until the very end.
Hat tip to the Lakers. They played well enough to deserve this title.
The only laker i'm glad won is Bynum..
Screw everyone else ha looks like a long summer for Perkins. And time to start rebuilding.. Ugh
by farias on Jun 18, 2010 12:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Celtics went 22 years between banners #16-17...
Let`s hope the Lakers go 122 years between getting 16 and 17!!!
The scary thing about the Lakers is
If they get a solid point guard, I do not see who can beat them in the west next year
I am so proud of being a fan of this celtics team
they did a great effort, never falling apart in a lot of bad situations. Great mental toughness and effort. They truely have the heart of a chamption, just lack of some luck and came up short.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jun 18, 2010 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
Blame it all on Ray?
He played as best as he could. Just struggled from the field but did a good job defensively at least for the first 3 quarters. He hit a crucial 3 in the 4th. You could argue that if at least 3 of his missed shots went in the C’s could have won it. But why blame it all on Ray? The other guys missed some shots? And what if refs called that BS Gasol travel? Clearly, there are many situations where the C’s could have won it. Let’s not all blame it to the guy. Just be proud of how the C’s played hard all season, nobody expected them to be here. They deserved it more than the Fakers.
No way folks should blame Ray.
For every miss he made – he also caused Kobe to miss as well.
Blame it all on Ray? No. Blame a large part? Yes.
Don’t tell me, half-way through the first quarter, that you didn’t know in your gut that Ray Allen was going to suck offensively for the rest of the game. He choked. A great guy with wonderful form. But he choked.
yup, i expected him to be bad offensively but didn’t expect him to be good defensively on kobe at least until the 3rd.. What about the iso plays by Pierce? You gotta admit that sucked.
But those iso plays for him caused us crucial TO's.
Let’s stop pointing fingers to someone to take the blame. It won’t change the reality the we lost. I’m proud of this guys for what they showed this post season. They just fell short.
That stings
Boy does that ever sting.
There were plenty of rebounds for KG to get too. They missed all those shots.
Guy is just not a very good rebounder anymore against other bigs.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Bynum only had 6.
Meanwhile, Pierce had 10.
Sometimes its just how it bounces.
The Lakers did enjoy that damn height advantage and a lot of Kobe’s rebounds were off tips from his teammates.
Garnett
I look for Garnett to have a much better season next year, because the knee would have fully healed according to the medical reports. Unfortunately, you never recover that explosiveness or ability that naturally coincides with an injury.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
this is tough
great game. but it hurts to see the result. i rather we lost to the Cavs than lost to the Lakers. I hate living in LA. so many local fans that doesn’t know anything about basketball. I have to see them every single day.
It hurts even more when I think about next year Celtics will be different. I was a KG fan and when he get traded to boston i followed him to boston. I wasn’t a Wolves fan. I was just a KG fan. But i just fall in love with boston. the history, the heart, the great players. This is probably the 1st time that I love a single team so much. Win or lose changes are coming. It just made me so sad it wasn’t a win before changes. I trust Danny will have this team in the right direction. but as for now, if you tell me wade, lebrown, bosh, amare all coming to boston won’t make me even a bit happier. Don’t know how to sleep in LA tonight. And i wonder if any of the player will be crying like me right now.
i also live in the l.a. area ...
and on top of that i work the sports department at a newspaper, and i play pickup basketball with lakers fans, so i’m surrounded by this crap
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jun 18, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm in LA too
We have it bad—on top of being sick to our stomachs, we have to worry about the riots too!!
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait -- Sheed is LEAVING??
Great! We might get a VERY INTERESTING PRESS CONFERENCE one of these days…. sooner than I ever dreamed.
Sheed is one guy who might just spill the beans on the whole gory, rotten, lying mess that = the NBA. If, that is, he actually knows something.
I think we should all hope for that. A total BLOWOUT of the TRUTH about the NBA’s scams. Now THAT would be something.
And I would earn a few (very expensive) drinks, if that happened………….
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think you would make a great comedy writer, DRJ1!
the guy was hooked the entire night, the refs hate him. It's a joke, so many phantom fouls
and no free throws for sheed when they were deserved (esp. tonight)
by letsgoblue86 on Jun 18, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
If ANYBODY is going to sing the truth
… I would think it would be Sheed. He genuinely doesn’t give a damn about the system, the money, the Man….. he could blow the whole league out of the water… if he has the ammo.
That's the thing I love about Sheed
He gets beat on time and again and still cannot be put down. Love this guy.
He will not be allowed to speak. He speaks truth too much.
But I do think LA won this game. And Ray lost it. Sorry
THEY WERE ROBBED.
NBA is a joke. Lakers held to 34% shooting
all those 20 extra free throws won them the game.
Dives, flails, Kobe wrapped his foot around Ray Allen’s foot on purpose.
NBA got what they wanted. Celtics hacked and no calls.
This was a GREAT Celtics team
When subjective officating directly determines the outcome
of a championship, I somehow get so disgusted I lose interest.
The 4th quarter of this game was lopsided favoritism.
The Lakers played like crap and our team really won this.
The Lakers do not deserve to be champs.
I will always be a Celtic fan however I intend to follow things less closely
because I PREFER SPORTING EVENTS THAT REFEREES DO NOT DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF.
I'll give you my generic advice to conspiracy theorists
Let go of the NBA.
Move on.
You’ll be happier.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
@DRJ1
You’ll love this.
Sheed was removed from the officials locker room after the game.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
:)
Nah… that’s a bad thing. Means he probably doesn’t have any hard information to blow out.
I think it's some sort of tribute to you
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
:) Should be!
I practically wrote the script for this whole year, back in January, remember. But…. they blindsided me in the end…. screwed me over, and all the rest of us too……….
Yeah, I don't know what to say
Not the ending any of us wanted.
And definitely the end of the big three era, IMO.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, the end
Great time to walk away. Since it will never be the same team anymore anyway. No Thibs, prob no Doc, no Sheed, no Ray, no Donkey… etc., etc.
the entire celtics organization should boycott the nba, the nba would lose so much money
by letsgoblue86 on Jun 18, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a bigger conspiracy than the Kennedy assasination
FBI should be brought in to investigate
stop being ridiculous
this is not the first or last time sports were tainted by manipulation.
yes -- how can we forget the black sox scandal
that happened about four million years ago. YOu really need to get away from all of this if you really believe in this conspiracy line of thinking.
Yeah, Tim Donnaghy was like, SO last millenia.
And Pete Rose? Was he in the bronze age or somethin’?
Yeah, in modern times, no stinkin’ scandals ever touch mah sports! They is kept all klean by da kommish!
Not to mention
Fisher getting held under the basket so Rondo could grab a board and score. Oh wait, that was a non-call.
by LittleCupcakes on Jun 18, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Congrats to the lakers
2009 2010 NBA CHAMPIONS!
VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
don't you have a riot to attend?
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jun 18, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I must admit...
I agree with Vinnie here… This blog has always displayed class…. The rape card shows futility.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
So you use the same type of logic in regards to the Catholic church right?
As long as the kids get money they didnt get raped.
Is this really the place for this?
Kobe’s legal issues feel a tawdry subject for tonight.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
It's disgusting (the rape card)
…and completely unproven too.
Dont get me wrong...
Not a Kobe fan by any means, but this post now has the Catholic Church reference… Where does it end??? You want to blemish Kobe talk about his selfish shot taking or something… Rape Card belongs on some out of contol blog… Not there.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I just think its a bit ridiculous...
when you cant mention it like its something off limits completely. That is a much more dangerous line of thought in my book. Thats why I backed up the original poster.
wow
i have much more respect for this blog and celtic fans. good series, i think perk helped with that rebound disparity. i dont think it was fixed (anymore than 2008 was fixed). good series tho, kept me on edge thats for sure….
Buffalo, that's where it's at baby. - Adam 'Pacman' Jones
To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
by silverstreak3k on Jun 18, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Celtics fans should really be bigger than blaming the refs or calling this a conspiracy
It really is ridiculous and it makes us all sound like whiny, crybabies
Just because your not buying it....
Doesnt mean they are false and unfounded allegations… My point was less about this series and more about the Playoffs as a whole. I dont care who plays… Just seems as if there is a lot of predetermined behavior.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes -- the games are pre-determined
And the guys who have all of the information are making a ton of money in Vegas. Too bad Antoine could not get that info. Maybe he could get out of bankruptcy and avoid going to jail.
Good point...
Antoine should have shimmy shaked his way to the bank… He must be rolling with the wrong crowd. I would love for him to come back for one game, hit a three and do the dance we all love.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
They are false and unwarranted allegations
Watch the 4th again. Those fouls were legit, and we got away with some.
by LittleCupcakes on Jun 18, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
if the nba really had predetermined the outcomes
the celtics wouldn’t have made it to the finals. lebron would have. lebron v. the lakers would probably generate a lot more in ratings because of his star power, his upcoming free agency, and the fact that he was the mvp.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 18, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Stern would not allow us to go through his guys wade, lebron, howard, but not kobe. Would not look good for the nba. He is a crooked sob!
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
his expression during the trophy presentation was priceless. Pure joy
by letsgoblue86 on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Stern allowed us to go through his guys wade, lebron, howard, but not kobe. Would not look good for the nba. He is a crooked sob!
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I give up
It was a conspiracy. Donald Sterns determined that the Lakers were going to be the winners of the NBA championship. The refs were told to call more fouls on rthe Celtics in the fourth quarter in order for the Lakers to win. The Celtics intentionally lost game 6 on orders for the commissioner. Ray Allen intentionally missed all those shots because he was part of the conspiracy. Okay, did I cover all of the reasons the Celtics lost this series? Oh yeah, forgot — the Celtics intentionally did not box out tonight in order to the Lakers to snare so many offensive rebounds.
The "conspiracy"
…was to go the full 7 games.
And there’s no questioning the help the refs gave the Lakers in the 4th quarter…. Gasol THREW Rondo down on one rebound, with the refs standing RIGHT THERE…. and ended up getting 2 shots after that. And the Paul foul at midcourt. And a dozen other bogus plays. So the league did alter the natural course of this game. Why, I don’t know, don’t care.
The whole system is rotten…. I know it now. If you don’t… .well… you can go on and be happy. A worm in a radish is also happy… having never tasted anything sweeter than a radish.
And Fisher got held on Rondo's critical board and bucket.
Non-call.
by LittleCupcakes on Jun 18, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
well, I don't think anyone is claiming there weren't some bad calls both ways.
The bothersome thing is mainly the preponderance in one direction.
Vinnie, can we flag those conspiricy posts?
"Red, Blue and White Ignite"
"Orange and Blue, A Gator Too"
@Give Me and @vinnie
he mean ban posters and their posts
maybe a rest them too ?!
way to choke at the end septics HAHAHA LAL ARE THE WORLD CHAMPS BACK 2 BACK. Now it’s time to clean house in laker land. LO AND BYNUM need to go. Enjoy your summer celtic fans LOL.
yeah that was really pathetic
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
when Russel was handing over teh mvp trophy
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you expect???
We are dealing with some low class individuals here…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Bill Russell ripped out the hearts of Lakers fans year after year. Booing in his case, was a playful sign of respect.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 18, 2010 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Kobe should hand the trophy to Pow
If it werent for that ridiculous trade he would be sitting at home for the last 3 years watching the Finals…. Kobe was never good enough to win this without Pow
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he said that in his speech
We wouldn’t have won without the Spainiard or something like that
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Absolutely right, fordescort!
+1 for speaking the truth
+1 for looking on the bright side.
+1 having pride.
realy to the point
they are spoiled brats – they need their victory on the plate, let’s say handed from refs and nba
Your post is ridiculous...
You are trying to talk smack while throwing players on your supposed team under the bus???? Weak…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
If you were Danny Ainge...would you resign RayRay?
I would, for a reasonable amount. You won’t get a better shooter than him in the FA market.
I'd love him to re-sign him from an emotional standpoint....
But I really think he’s on the way out. Who knows, with the messiness of a new CBA coming, Pierce could opt out of his current deal.
No. Time to start going younger
This team is not going to the finals again next year. Start rebuilding now and learn from the mistakes with the past big 3.
Ray is not going to sign for that little money
He will get three years somewhere else for probably 8-10 per year.
+1
i would pay him 5 mil/yr for 2 yrs. he could help guys like rondo to shoot better. Plus he is a nice guy, stays healthy and can still shoot the all not as consistently though.
I'm just hoping he would, he loves Boston. okay i would give him $13m for 2yrs
He has made a lot of money in his career and i hope that won’t be a big factor in his decision.
I would, for the right price.
Ray is still going to be a better SG than 90% of the alternatives out there. And in theory we might get him for 6-8 M for 2 years, ala ‘home town discount’.
But there is a x-factor. Some teams who have cleared a ton of cap space to get in on the Lebron / Wade auction-fest are going to come up empty there and may throw large amounts around at other free agents – like Ray. So if one throws a big MLE number after Ray, the Celtics would still have the Bird rights to match it, but it may be a lot higher number than Danny would be willing to pay.
It will be an interesting summer.
NBA !!!
What a joke, don’t blame refs, blame your wife.
Don’t call this a conspiracy, its all OK, take your shot (Prozac, whatever), go to sleep, go to work – we will take care for the rest ….
Just wanna say
Congrats to the Lakers (hate to do it but they earned it). Celtic pride lives on. I take our guys always. Now, on to life sucking for a while…
Its time for someone to look into the nba and stern. Even doc commented on the refs.
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
For crying out loud. You and "1" other think it's
perfectly normal to have the opposing team shoot 19 fts in the 4th, and to have 20+ for a game. It must really be tough knowing that as a Celtic fan the oppossing team shoots at least double the amount of fts every game.
You guys are all absolutely right
Every year, a couple of weeks before the season starts, Stern and his henchmen sit down and plot out the season. They actually plan the entire thing, right through the finals. They are the smartest men in the world and it is amazing how they are able to predetermine every games played for six plus months.
I'm not convinced this game was unduly influenced
but I also have seen enough crappy officiating in the NBA over the years that I think it is ridiculous to think that you can be that dismissive of it, vinnie. You and TheOutletPass are the only ones who seem adamant about shooting down any discussion on this. Yet you offer nothing concrete towards that. You just ridicule anyone who questions whether the officiating influenced the game.
The fact is, even if we ignore this game, there is plenty of evidence in many, many other games (many having nothing to do with the Celtics) for at least the semblance of a credibility problem for the NBA. Or if not credibility, then competency. It is perfectly natural for folks to at least raise questions.
If you don’t want to believe that maybe, just maybe, there are some problems with the NBA and its officials, that’s fine. Why do you feel compelled to be so snide and full of ridicule?
No, Not a Another Conspiracy
But just look at the statistical differences in number of fouls called from Quarters 1-3 to Quarter 4. Conspiracy theorists can and will have a field day on that one.
That MVP trophy should have been given to the refs (my emotions talking here).
Okay, so maybe not, but you absolutely cannot deny the fact that the refs impacted the last quarter of the game significantly.
If the Celtics did not throw away a 13-point lead that they held in the third quarter
By playing poorly in the last 4 minutes and then going ICE COLD from the field for the first 7 minutes of the fourth quarter, they would have won this game.
Agreed.
But the refs played a part though, and you cannot deny that.
See that’s the problem people have, refs became the focal point of the game when they should never be.
The refs definitely played a part
By calling the fouls that they thought they saw committed on the floor
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Terrible officiating in the series
Game 7: Fouls called against the Celts, 37…. Fouls called against LA… 17… Anyone within 3 ft of Kobe was given a foul… That breakdown is unprecedented… Even looking at the whole series one must wonder: Series breakdown— 201 fouls against the Celts… 138 against the Lakers… Again no way Celts were that much more agressive than the Lakers… Stern should look at this…
Good game tainted by terrible officiating....
Play was intense by both teams… 37 fouls called against the Celts… with 17 against the Lakers… Multiple blown calls by the refs… KG and Allen each had 2 a piece called on them that were not even close… There is no way…the Celts realistically committed more than double the fouls the Lakers did… Lopsided calls ruined this otherwise great game..
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
perfectly said.
referees should not dictate a game.
by jordanmowbray on Jun 18, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch the 4th again
Legit calls, almost every one. And plenty of missed Green fouls, too.
by LittleCupcakes on Jun 18, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh right, the Lakers should have shot 30 free throws
in the fourth. The refs were on the Celtics side.
I feel so pathetic.
I’m trying to avoid the misery, turn my mind off and go to bed. Then I find myself wondering. Hey! What about Semih Erden? Is he going to come to training camp?
it would have been so satisfying
to win especially with Kobe sucking all night. that’s what kills me.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
I apologize for all the trolls
It’s an embarrassment to the Lakers fan base. As a Laker fan, I wasn’t happy about some of those calls against the Celtics in the 4th, because they just werent fouls. I wish the officials would have just let the players play. I know a lot of people are bitter, but Congratulations on a great season,
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
why are you apologizing?
This has been going on forever sean. These celtic fans have invaded our laker blogs, especially the la times one. pay back is a biatch stop being sympathetic to these losers
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Goes both ways.
He’s apologizing for losers like you.
And I apologize for fellow Celtics fans that are the same losers you mentioned.
LAWL
No need to apologize for me since we’re all winners out here in socal. the only losers are the boston fans HAHAHAHAHA. take your shrek and donkey, we’ll take our title. Worthless mouthy midget and a big dumbass.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ROFL
How is your basketball team doing in boston? HAHAHA LOSERS.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Pretty good
We were 4 free throws from winning the finals on the road. Your a typical trash talker, no one respects your kind.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So how is the LA pro football team doing?
Still waiting for an answer
not that i'm getting into the trolling
but we really don’t care about a Pro Football team. We get pretty good coverage of all the good games every sunday.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 18, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude
Go celebrate on silverscreenandroll.com . It’s embarrassing that Laker fans need to troll on a Celtics blog. I realize some Celtics fans did that when they were up 3-2, but 2 wrongs dont make a right
by SeanMillerSavior on Jun 18, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
And congrats on the big win tonight SeanMiller. Fans such as yourself deserve to celebrate.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
hey turn coat
keep this up and you will be a loser just like them. I remember 08, and i remember them in 2010. These suckers have no class and would be doing the same thing. Screw the high road I have been waiting 2 years for this shit. it’s all in good fun.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no -- I, for one, wouldn't be doing the same thing
I’m a Celtics fan working for an L.A.-area newspaper (sports dept., no less), surrounded by Lakers fans, and I was prepared to be completely respectful should the Celtics have won, just like I was in ‘08. I’ve never been a troll, and I’ve never been a sore winner. don’t you have a riot to join, a car to burn?
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jun 18, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
HAH
THE ONLY THING I’M BURNING IS A FAT ASS BLUNT. CHAMPIONS SON. I can care less about keeping it classy; You celtic fans are the horrible. Throwing shit at our players in your arena. Take the shit talking like a man like we did in 08.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Typical loser, stoner LA resident
You do realize that the LA LAkers only own 11 NBA championships, right loser?
SAME FRANCHISE DIFFERENT CITY.
Stoner? LOL you must be a loser republican. it must suck being a loser twice.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly ... DIFFERENT CITY
the L.A. lakers own 11 titles …
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jun 18, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
preach it, vinnie
l.a.‘s never cared a bit about what happens in minny … they had to steal another state’s franchise and borrow its titles
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jun 18, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
hah
we cherish our laker history and love minny. We are still the same franchise, the same franchise that just won another title. I doubt your team will even make it back to the finals again any time soon. Thanks for clubbing that loser lebrick though.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I will admit it is pathetic. Atleast when we finally do get a team we won’t cheat to win championships.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Your kidding right...
Lets go back to Christmas when Lebron and the Cavs were mauling the Fakers and what did the Typicaly trash of LA do…. Throw not just one but many things at the Cavs…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah well we still won the title and left your sucker team in the locker room to tear it up. Tell doc don’t forget his money or we’ll have staple center janitors use it as toilet paper.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the pot
ease up on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ_6WhF500c#t=1m20s
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Guess you just got schooled....
Course maybe you were too stoned. Sure your parents are proud.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
ahh the foam fingers, thats nothing.
atleast our fans weren’t throwing small glass vodka shooters at players when they were shooting freethrows like what happened in boston.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
and those foam fingers were being thrown at laker players
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Aghhh... Whatever...
Talk about seeing things from the Yellow and Purple perspective… So in other words you Faker fans are so sorry that you will throw your own players under the bus???? Man great city you have there…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions
they played like shit against the cavs that night and we expect more from the champs on home court in a christmas game. Everyone on the court got foam thrown at them. Atleast we don’t throw bottles like you losers.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Right
because real, classy fans throw foam fingers at their players. That says winner all over it.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah we also boo’d them. not all fans are classy! you people in boston should know plenty about that! The lakers deserved to get foam thrown at them. Cavs just happened to be on the court. it’s this kind of fan expectation that molds champions. Laker players know what we expect from them and they have delivered. How bout them celtics tonight? losers.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Your sinking pal... Keep it up.
We certainly wouldnt attack our players with foreign objects… I mean how stupid can you be…?
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah because foam fingers travel at such a high velocity from the stands. You people throw bottles.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont know where the bottle thing
is coming from… But I will say we arent trying to hit our own players… Face it buddy you LA fans are pretty much equal to some thugs who kill their own… Dont be mad, just stop all the violence.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
you don’t know about the bottle thing? They had to stop the game and make and address the crowd. Lamar said he got hit with a vodka bottle. http://wwww.examiner.com/x-54459-Boston-Celtics-Hater-Examiner~y2010m6d16-Celtics-Fan-Throws-Object-Onto-the-Court
stupid losers making a big deal out of harmless foam. No player even got hit because the shit was just floating. Shitty celtic fans actually tried to harm the players on the court.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Only a guy like you
could get hurt by a plastic vodka bottle.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
plastic
does not travel that fast. it was glass you loser.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how
you post an article from the “Boston Celtics Hater Examiner” then call ME the loser. That’s great.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
why are you acting
Like a glass bottle was not thrown? You can’t even remember the game being stopped and the crowd being addressed? And here you are trying to take some moral high ground about throwing shit and bitching about foam while ignoring how you guys throw bottles at the opposing team.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
ODOM GOT HIT AND HE SAID IT WAS A GLASS VODKA SHOOTER THAT HIT HIM.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not ignoring that...
at all. One fan=one loser. No one is disputing losers throw things at sporting events. And, as stated, all teams have some bad fans. But throwing fingers isn’t childish or pathetic, especially at your own team? What about rioting and burning cars? Turn on the news. This is a pointless discussion.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it is pointless and the riots suck. welcome to LA, the city isn’t full of angles and it does kind of suck
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You are doing a good job..
of making the ridiculous behavior of your city and fans become legitimate in your own mind. That is like taunting your son or daughter at their own sporting even… I cant wait for your next post so you can dig a deeper hole… I got a foam finger for ya right here buddy. You know you could poke somebody’s eye out with that thing… Terrible.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions
it’s all those damn out of control mexicans. I bet half of the people causing shit are illegals. Foam fingers < bottles you loser.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey!
We don’t want him at SSR!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
USC is pretty much in SoCal
So seeing as how you generalized, I figured I might as well jump on the boat.
It's barely a stones throw from Staples.
And besides, what’s this troll doing here anyway. Trying to make himself feel better while trash talking? Doesn’t he have some cars to burn or something?
don’t you have some pillows to cry on? loser! you guys do the same thing to our blogs. PUSSIES
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Name one. Can't. Not surprised. Go have another beer then go
wreck your car, absolutely classless.
Why don’t you take a cue from some of the other Laker fans that post here. They get respect because they have a knowledge of and appreciation of the game.
Something you obviously don’t. Enjoy your short time here. No one else is.
la times blog is where you guys like doing alot of damage. I don’t care for any kind of respect from the type of fans who throw bottles on the court.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottles?!
There you go again, distorting things. One “mini” vodka shot by one pathetic fan. Your talking like 1.75L bottles of Smirnoff came raining down and almost killed a few players. Not justifying the act of that one individual, don’t define a fan base by a single act. As mentioned, turn on the news, check out the cars flipping and burning in your backyard. Tell me what’s more dangerous, a mini bottle or that?
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope. Never happened. This Celtic fan has never once invaded 'your laker blogs'.
So, I guess that makes you wrong.
As the LA blog manager, I echo the sentiment
I haven’t seen any of my guys on here causing trouble, most of these people are creating a new account just to troll. If I find out one of my members is trolling, he’ll get a ration of … well you can’t swear on CB, but you get the idea.
There are plenty of great fans in both fanbases. It’s too bad the idiots are always the loudest ones.
LOL..
I think he would be better than David Fucking Stern
OH MY GOD
“That’s Kobe Bryant’s music!”
At which point Kobe hits Pierce in the head with a chair.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
KG looked like he was gunna cry in his postgame interview when he was asked about this being the last time this team will play together…can’t blame him.
Can’t imagine how the players and coaches feel right now.
Has to hit the heart
This seems like more than a team to me…. The Celtics are like family… That is what makes them so great to watch and drives my passion for them to win!
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen!!!
The play the game the way a Celtics team shoud…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I really think Danny has to start rebuilding now
And not repeat the mistake of the past admnistration with the original big 3
You're right about that
They should blow it up. Not that I give a damn anymore……..
Hey.... I'm enjoying my last night !
What the hey, hay!
July?
He may not post, but he’ll be back here tomorrow.
lol
you really don’t know me. but…. it’s still cute
I loved the Celtics, yes
And it has been a very strange experience for me. But… now they are gone…
http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/6/18/1524290/this-brief-shining-moment
who will go?
PP and KG aren’t going anywhere
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Ray... I guess...
My mind tells me that it will be Ray that will go… but my heart screams no because I really admire the guy….
This is true
We held on to Mchale and Parish as their game dimished greatly… Where do you start?
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they would (and maybe should) blow it up, and . . .
I think he was all emotional because he knows people are leaving – Doc, Sheed, Thibs, maybe Ray – who knows who else?
If Celtic fans are going to start saying that the loss of Perkins led to the loss...
Then the same type of argument can be said that with Bynum out in ’08, perhaps the Lakers would have been playing for a three-peat tonight.
And unfortunately for Celtic fans, this team isn’t going to be in the Finals again next year barring some miracle trade, acquisition, or someone comes up with some youth serum.
And to those crying conspiracy, take off your tinfoil hats! The better team won.
Wait a minute.....
I’m not blaming the refs. But if this game 7 was in Boston and the freethrow disparity was reversed (Boston had 37 to LA’s 17) you don’t think Lakers fans would be saying the same? C’mon.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
The Lakers have been on the losing end of equations like that as well.
But I don’t go out and yell conspiracy. Yeah, I’ll be mad at the refs, but in the grand scheme of things, it evens out. The refs are human and are subject to errors.
And here’s the main point: You play the year to get game 7 in your arena so that you can get the benefit of those human errors. You put yourself in a position to take advantage of how the game is played and called. The Lakers did that this year. And for Celtic fans to continually point to the refs as the main reason they lost is missing the real reasons this team lost.
hey
did you see the offensive board discprepency? and the fouls themselves? for the most part they swallowed their whistles. the celtics just looked tired on D and stopped attacking the rim, hence the ft disparity.
“NO REBOUNDS, NO RINGS!”
by lakersbluedevil on Jun 18, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE THE CELTICS AND I AM SO PROUD!!
WE WORKED OUR ASSES OFF, AND DID THE BEST WE COULD . I AM PROUD OF THE SEASON AND EVERYTHING WE GAVE, I LOVE ALL THE PLAYERS AND DOC THE MOST!! GOOOO CELTICS!! I CANT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON!!!
by jakeshuttlesworth on Jun 18, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions
Just heard Rasheed got kicked out of the arena tonight
He tried to force his way into the refs room and was removed from the arena and got on the bus wearing his uniform. Sheed is NUTS!
he should get RonRon's shrink's number?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I appreciate all that Wallace did during the Playoffs
but I would much rather seem him get moved… He can be such a liability… He just doesnt come off as a Celtics to me…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I kind of admire that insanity
Especially after he played so hard.
Gonna be some interesting followup stories tomorrow.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Point...
He certainly wears it on his sleeve… He did play hard… We just couldnt buy a three…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
here's a nice extremist response...
Lakers played practically the exact same way throughout the whole game. The referees decided the game today… like seriously cmon, how do the celtics get put in the penalty for 7 minutes of the 4th quarter after practically no calls (the way playoff basketball should be) for the first 3 quarters. Wtf’s up with that?… is sports betting still in the nba? or did david stern pay the refs because the nba loves the lakers?
THE REFEREES SHOULD NOT DICTATE THE GAME… ESPECIALLY A GAME OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
you are spot on.... Officiating was terrible
37 fouls called against Boston… 17 against the Lakers… Resulting in the Celts being in the penalty for 7 minutes… How ridiculous is that? Congrats Lakers… it took more than double the free throw attempts due to terrible calls to win a championship… With that help the Lakers should have won by more than 15… I am now an advocate for more instant replay in the NBA…
surprised u understood what i just said… my wording was almost as bad as the officiating tonight. god im tired.
by jordanmowbray on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Vinnies right it was all scripted like the wwf!
by Blackberry33 on Jun 18, 2010 1:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You missed my sarcasm
I think anyone who believes that all of this is predetermined is just not thinking right
I thought I would witness one of the greatest upset in postseason history...
Cavs, Magic but the Lakers + refs(at some point) were just too much. Just fell short. But a big applause to this Celtic team.
Go Lakers! Thanks guys. Great game!
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight!
Kobe
Does anyone else think this quote is ridiculous?
“But forget how it looked, because history will. Bryant even did something Jerry West and Magic Johnson never could: He beat the hated Celtics in Game 7 of the finals.”
Kobe played awful tonight. Gasol had 19 pts in the 4th and Fisher and Artest hit huge 3’s. Kobe just got bailed out for FT’s in the 4th. Just crazy.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions
Kobe shot horribly, but he had 15 rebounds
12 more than KG. I do not like the guy, but he is one hell of a player
i think Gasol was robbed for MVP
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Gasol was not the Finals MVP. No way. They got it right.
U-C-L-A Fight, Fight, Fight!
+1
The Lakers lost when Kobe had his biggest game. Gasol was an absolute beast this whole series. He should definitely be MVP. As much as I hate the Lakers and Gasol, Gasol has amazing game.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Gasol right now is the best power forward in the league
Still dislike him, but it is the truth
i hate him too
not as much as i hate kobe, but a lot.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Hate to...
but have to agree. And he is only 30, so still a few good years in him. How do we get a hand wrapped gift like that trade in Boston? I’m sending Jerry West a gift basket tonight.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Pau fan, but that's a stretch.
He had two good games and tonight, he failed to play at the level he’s capable of playing. What saved his bacon tonight were the rebound at the end and the free throws he made (to offset the free throws he missed).
No way, Kobe is the correct MVP.
Where would Kobe and LA be without Gasol?
Two Championships ligher….
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah thats what I was thinking
but this was a strange series. who would have got the mvp if the celts scored 5 more?
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I really thought this was Rondos series to dominate...
but to answer your question… For the Celtics the true MVP would be Doc Rivers… He took a step closer to greatness with this piece of coaching…. I know I know it has to be a player, but the guy was phenomenal.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm curious to figure out
how Rondo was unable to dominate. And see if he can grow from here.
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He needs a dependable jumper. I think it is that simple
And to be able to make free throws so he is more confident driving to the hoop. He ended the series 5-19 from the line — UGH
Jumper and free throws...
Your a guard my man… Take at least 2000 shots everyday and get some more help from Price or Ray Allen.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
this
if Rondo works on his jumper and FTs he will be a force to be reckoned with. He’s got just about everything else…including rebounding which is strange for a PG.
And where woudl Gasol be without Kobe?
I don’t know about Boston fans, but I think basketball fans will want the ball in the hands of Kobe at the end when the game is on the line most of the time. Like I said, I’m a Pau fan. The Lakers would have had a very hard time winning these two championships without him.
But come on. Over the entire playoffs and the Finals, Kobe has carried this team. Pau has played an important role, no doubt. But the most valuable player? Put it this way, Kobe can win games without Pau (maybe not the whole enchilada). Pau can too, but not as many, IMHO.
I think, and I could be wrong, but the people who want to give Pau the MVP are simply Kobe haters.
No argument from me that the addition of Pau made the Lakers what they are
That’s why I’m a Pau fan. But what was Pau without Kobe? Nothing. Kobe was already good without Pau.
But the point of this particular thread was whether Pau deserved the MVP over Kobe, which I think isn’t really that close to debate. No Kobe, the Lakers are swept. No Pau, the Lakers win a few games.
Pau did not win a single playoff game in Memphis
Not one, and that was with decent teams.
I think you know how Kobe did with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker against the 2 seed Suns.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Of course
And so do his teammates
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Perk
Man, it makes you wonder if Perk was healthy, could he have gotten those stops in the 4th against Gasol?! Perk going down was a TOUGH break.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Let us quantify his loss for this game..
Perk would have shut down at least 4 shots from the bigs… 6 points… Got a few more rebounds (reversing some of the offensive boards) the way he clears space… I will say 6 points… Pretty nice advantage. Not saying they would have won, but it surely makes a difference in fatigue for some of the LA bigs when Perk is pounding you.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
perhaps more importantly, is the difference in fatigue for the Celtic bigs
that Perk would have made. Not having him in the Big rotation lead to Sheed and KG getting very, very gassed.
Love it with the "if Perk was healthy" stuff.
I wonder now what it would have been if Bynum was healthy in ‘08. I don’t think the Celtics win that series as easily as they did. Maybe even the Lakers coming out on top.
But it’s all in the past….
No doubt
I realize that. Bynum is definitely a difference maker and that series may have been different in 08 with him in. My shades aren’t that green. Just saying for tonight, tough break with Perk going down, just as with Bynum going down.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, welcome to the "what if" club...
And we all know that injuries are part of the game. I’ll never forget Magic’s hamstring going out on him and swatting away the hand of the trainer. But oh well, it happened.
So what your saying Perk has not bearing?
You guys with your Bynum… Celts were monsters on the boards in 2008… Not so much in 2010… Perk was one of our better rebounders… Makes a difference.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Sheed
was playing great off the post up. KILLED me that we started going isolation to Pierce late in the 3rd rather than posting up Wallace or Garnett. Not great game there.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
When they started the Pierce iso moves, it was the beginning of the end
Every one of them came up empty
Yea we didnt use the post enough
Garnett was our best player tonight and Sheed was equally effecient.
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Newsflash...Bynum was playing on one leg!
And still was able to contribute. Unfortunately, my gut tells me he will forever be injury prone, but if he was healthy in ’08? Come on.
but that's legit. I fully agree that Bynum might have made a big difference in 08.
Its fair conversation on both sides.
are you kidding me?
you do know most analysts picked Kobe to be finals MVP even if LA lost because he has put amazing numbers with 28 PPG, 8 Reb, 5 Assists… no one comes close to that in the series… there were articles already out saying how kobe will become only a second person in NBA after Jerry West to win an MVP from a losing team
Saw this on another board and I agree whole-heartedly:
Anyone saying the officials didn’t hand this championship to LA need to consider the following: in the 4th quarter, the Celtics outscored LA 17-12 from the field, while LA outscored the Celtics 16-5 from the line. They called the first two and a half quarters loosely, letting the two teams decide the outcome. And then BAM, they refs started calling a completely different game out of nowhere.
The Celtics shot higher FG%, 3PT%, and higher FT%, yet shot less 3’s than LA did. Boston was driving to the basket all night and rarely got rewarded for it. Meanwhile, LA ends up +20 in FTAs. Makes no sense.
Call me bitter, or whatever, but the refs decided the outcome of this game. There is no other reasonable way to look at it.
I specializes in grammar fail.
Pretty much every foul called on the Celts in the fourth quarter was legitimate
The Celtics had a 13-point lead in the third quarter and could not hold on. Also, the Celtics got demolished on the boards tonight. That is why they lost.
Good facts.
Makes blaming the refs a legit thing to do.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 18, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And even some who aren't
Although I disagree with the refs allowing the blatant hacking/tackling by the C’s in the 1st half, the 4th was one-sided
by nba is the worst on Jun 19, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
My roommate always says
“Eddie House: Great Celtic, or greatest Celtic?”
http://inplaynoouts.blogspot.com/ - A blog about teams I like, written by me.
by Carl Johnson on Jun 18, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Posey was a great Celtic
I miss him most of all…
by WeGotTheBanners on Jun 18, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Box Score:
BOS FT attempts: 17
LA FT attempts: 37(37?!!!)
20 FTs more. I’m trying to avoid blaming the refs but you give LA more than half the amount of foul calls?! That’s messed up, period. But then again it’s Joey Crawford; if someone lays a finger on Kobe, Joey blows that whistle. It is what it is unfortunately.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
Yes, that's really strange. I wonder if it will be looked into. Hope so.
Though I still think certain players caused us to lose the game with their lack of scoring.
what about the offensive glass?
23-7.
did the refs do that?
by lakersbluedevil on Jun 18, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure,
the offensive glass was a big help to you guys but in the fourth quarter this was no longer “playoff” basketball where the refs allow the players to get more physical. If the Celtics lay a finger on Kobe, there was a foul. The Celtics drove just as much as the Lakers did and the Lakers got more than half of the calls. Inexcusable. The offensive glass wasn’t as important as all the foul calls were. The refs determined the outcome of the game, period.
"You got to believe in yourself. Hell, I believe I'm the best-looking guy in the world and I might be right."- Charles Barkley
by bone31crusher on Jun 18, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
2.2X ft margin
Yet, in game 2 of the ‘08 Finals, the C’s shot 3.8X the fts the Lakers did – a modern-era Finals record 28 more fts – despite more points in the paint for the Lakers.
And more than 1 regular here has posted it was fair and square…
by nba is the worst on Jun 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Celtics should be proud....i don't think
any other team would’ve pushed the Lakers this hard. If Ray and KG sign for the minimum veteran contracts next year, the Celtics could get some good free agents and be back in the Finals again. They need length though
The standard now for all teams is have bigs to match up with Bynum and Gasol otherwise you might see the Lakers repeat again.
is it possible for him to have some of that $ deferred
in order to sign a decent free agent?
by inquisitiveman on Jun 19, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Congratulations to the Celtics on a great series, I was rooting for you guys
This is coming from a Bulls fan, but next year I hope it’s us against you guys in the Eastern Conference Finals. Rose vs. Rondo, Thibs vs. Doc, Noah vs. KG, LeBron vs. Pierce (ha!)
If that happened, my money is on Rose over Rondo, Doc over Thibs, KG and Noah a push, and LeBron over Pierce. That would be a good series.
Losing Thibs...
is going to hurt. I sure hope the rumors about Doc leaving are not true.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Phil Jackson is such a phony
This is the beginning of one of his quotes after the game: “It’s really about my inner being…”
he is detestable
I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya
by itsmetsforme on Jun 18, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Just wired. It is out of my system now. Back to the real world and things in life that really matter
Thanks, Celts. The Lakers were simply a little better this year.
Go Sox! Heading to Tampa the first week of july with my son to see the Sox in a three-game series there.
Cannot wait.
This is true.
And we Boston fans can start chanting “BEAT L.A.” again when the Dodgers show up soon, LOL.
Hooray for baseball now.
Well, there you got LA fans. The Dodgers aren’t going to win the Series in my lifetime. Maybe my daughters’. Good enough to win the division, not good enough to win the Pennant and certainly not good enough to win a Series.
I am going to the game Sunday night with my son
Can’t wait to see Manny!
IKnow what you mean, vinnie
I’m hurting so bad right now. I’m crying right along with the players and wondering how long it’s going to take before I can begin to function normally again and feel like doing anything. After normal losses it was about a day, but of course this wasn’t just a normal loss. Well, I see you guys are getting over it quickly and focusing on baseball. What’s wrong with me? Maybe I need some meds myself. I’m sure it doesn’t help that when it comes to baseball I cheer for the Tribe. You’d think I’d be used to losses.
Please Stop with the excuses
I Hate The Lakers but blaming the refs is weak. From start of series Lakers were better team. Tonight ray missed buckets did hurt on offense but he was playing great D. Plus this Guy has many miles on him, legs probably wasn’t there tonight. “Not having Perkins” is a legitimate argument but Not having Bynum this series at full strength is a better one. (Btw not having bynum in 08 excuse is weak cause it wouldnt change the fact that PP was killing Radmonivic, or Boston had much better bench with brown,posey, house who actually knocked down shots, or that Lakers played 0 defense, or kg, pp, ray were actually playing like young men don’t think having bynum would of made that much of difference) But Lakers in ‘10 won fair and square, played tough, and physical and earned they’re chip. Congratulations to all Lakers Fans, well deserved! (Wtf are you doing on this blog anyway? Lol)
by kelly811 on Jun 18, 2010 2:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
all solid points....
and agree, blaming the refs is weak. It’s only one of many angles to analyze this loss. As stated, going iso to Pierce in the 3rd was the beginning of the end, can’t blame the refs for that.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you from a Laker fan
Spoke it like a true prophet. And to answer your question, I am a Laker fan but I respect Celts fans as well, Celts played an amazing series. Best of luck next year.
Ray sounds so sad in his postgame interview
I really love Ray. He is an intelligent, classy guy
+1,000
on Ray Allen being all class and one of my favorite athletes of all time. It’s downright sickening to watch him go so cold in such a big game, and maybe his final game in the Finals. Wish he could have finished on a better note, even with a loss. We still love you Ray.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions
So where are you guys hearing these interviews now?
I finally turned my TV back on to hear some. Been flipping between CSN and NBA TV. Had to mute a few, but heard Doc and listened to KG and PP in the locker room. Wouldn’t mind hearing them again and didn’t hear Ray at all.
I want to hear what Sheed said in the refs
locker room, anyone have any tape?
there's a story in the herald online
apparently he wasn’t angry. just wanted to say goodbye.
seriously.
sounds like he’s done.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions
he is.
I love rondo and ray. both class acts. rondo is a star.
by lakersbluedevil on Jun 18, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
For the people who blame the refs
Get a freakin life, Celts were 88% compared to the Lakers 67%. Funny how every game you guys lost you blame it on the refs and the games you guys won, thing was said if it. Most of the free throws made came in during the 4th anyways. I saw this coming since the beginning of the season and I stand corrected. Don’t get me wrong, Boston played an outstanding series in the Finals and Playoffs, but to criticize officiating in a crucial game 7??? Cmon, I thought Boston fans were more respectful. And to the fans who don’t blame the officiating who were watching the game with correct vision, good game guys, I really do hope for a rematch again next year it would be fun. Congrats to my Lakers!
Not blaming the refs for the loss here, but not sure what free throw % has to do with anything…Lakers still shot 20 more ft’s than the C’s, and like 17 in the fourth. But whatever, they lost because of rebounding and great defense from the Lakers, so congrats.
Things Even Out?
All things aside, this loss hurts for all parties involved on Boston’s side. Perhaps the stats, etc. even out. Even the foul calls. However, there’s a catch.
What’s making this loss a lot more difficult to swallow is the fact that the refs went bizarro out of nowhere on the foul calls.
I completely concede that the Celtics let the Lakers back into this game, but there was still an entire quarter to play and Celtics fans had some hopes left. Then suddenly, the refs started calling it tight and went pro-Lakers in regards to the foul calls.
That’s the problem: it was a complete about face. I can deal with the Lakers winning this as it went 7 games, but not in the way it happened.
When the Red Sox lost to the Yankees in the 2003 ALCS, it was hard…very hard, but I moved on a lot easier than I think I’ll move on from this because the Yankees won fair and square that year.
This series was quite evenly matched, but the refs MADE THEMSELVES the focal point of discussion here. It’s not blame per se, but it’s sickening to hear them be involved in the discussion.
That’s the problem at large here.
Fans without heart
will always find reasons for the loss. Why cant you guys just admit that it was an all around good game?
Fans Without Heart?
Right…okay. Not really but I’ll humor you.
I never said this was a bad series or game. Heck I just said the entire series was evenly matched. However, this game brought out the worst factors about the NBA: the refs becoming a major point of discussion, when they don’t need to be.
Calls go both ways, and I have no problem with that. It’s the sudden change that threw many fans off and pissed them off.
Let’s put it this way: my father doesn’t watch basketball. Ever. He sits down only when I’m watching, and even then, doesn’t care much. Even he noticed something seemed off. Oh and he’s a fan of cricket beyond anything else (and if you want conspiracy theories, go watch cricket, matches are fixed often and it’s come out often that they are as well).
So when a 55-year-old man thinks something’s off in something he doesn’t ever follow, he’s probably right.
yes...no heart for the game and the sport (not the team/players)
how can you sit there and base game 7 on decisions made by refs??? And to clarify, everyone is entitled to their opinions, I honestly think your father was trying to humble you, wish I had a father like that.
Very easy for a Laker fan to think there's nothing wrong with
a plus 20 ft differential – and plus 19 in the fourth. Seriously. I get it, suddenly the Celtics all forgot how to play and started smaking the Lakers around. It was through the Lakers valiant effort to fight through constant physical abuse that won them the title.
If they got to the line
then they got fouled, If Doc went up at the conference and said it was officiating in game 7, then maybe, just maybe Id have a different outlook, but he didn’t, no one did, except for fans who can’t accept the fact that Boston lost, you guys act as if Celts are the 1 and only team allowed to win every single game, please. You wanna talk about officiating???? look back at the chicago series that went 7 games, then come talk to me.
Doc DID point out the free throw disparity.
He mentioned it right at the start of his post-game.
So, I guess that means you’d have a different outlook.
Hmmm did he?
sorry I was still yelling from the top of my lungs, I’m going to have to watch the replay of the game.
all obvious fouls on the replays...
…and not even just touch fouls. Players were getting tired. I don’t think you’ll win this argument though.
for my part - I subscribe to the 'tired' theory.
I haven’t reviewed the game to do a 50/50 chart on calls so I’m not going to say conclusively the officiating was one-sided or not. But I do know that KG and Sheed looked totally gassed to me by the end and that tired players tend to foul on defense.
So while I believe that, yeah, the free throw disparity was a huge factor in why LA won, I would not conclusively say that was due to the officials.
The lack of Perkins, and the 25 or so minutes he would have played is easily the most significant factor for this game. Without him in the big rotation, our guys just plain ran out of gas.
would agree with the Perkins thing
I thought Sheed and BBD did a great job and brought something you really needed in that game…namely some offense. Unfortunately Ray, KG and Paul looked completely wiped in the 4th and I think Perkins would have made a difference there.
Not sure how it would have balanced out with Sheed’s extra offense though. Not sure we’ll ever find out.
Ahem...
I am not basing the entire game on the ref’s calls. Stop assuming that is actually the case here. If you have read any of my posts, I am saying they had more of an affect on the game than they realistically should have. That’s the issue really. It was a great game, trust me on this one. If you can get my father to watch anything beyond cricket without my input, you’ve done a great job and the Lakers and Celtics delivered in spades.
As for my father, no, he wasn’t really trying to humble me. He was more dumbfounded than anything else. If you know the history of cricket, you’d understand. His expectation is for many North American sports not to be fixed like cricket has and can be (much less nowadays, but still can be). So when he told me what he did about Game 7, WITHOUT any of my input beyond my grumbling at the TV, I was actually a bit taken back.
Look, you’re a Lakers’ fan, so I can excuse you for the bias. The civil discussion, I actually appreciate. :-)
Tim Donaghy’s case aside, I still give the refs some benefit of the doubt. However, looking at the call disparity, home-cooking was in full force in that aspect.
But no, I DON’T BLAME the refs for swaying a game. I DO think THEY AFFECTED this game TO A DEGREE.
As for the no heart, don’t assume that either. I love the game and the sport, just certain aspects disgust me, and I’m sure the same ones disgust other avid fans also.
No actually, I thank you.
And the few other Lakers fans who we “losers” (hey, our team did just lose, yes?) can have a civil yet slightly contentious discussion with.
i just watched the 4th quarter again
and i cannot see any foul call that wasn’t warranted. I also didn’t see any calls that the Celtics should have gotten in that fourth quarter that wasn’t called. I may be biased cuz i’m a laker fan, but i really did try to watch it objectively.
kobe 3 ftws, gasol travel, pierce drive, gasol block on kg to name a few.
no, im not taking credit away from the lakers, but the refs were very hard to endure in the 4th.
reply
are you talking about kobe’s 3 FT? Ray allen had his hand out and kobe brought it underneath to get a foul. Gasol’s travel wasn’t picked up by anyone until they showed it on replay, so to think that call could have been made is tough. Gasol’s block on KG was on his hand (the same thing that happened a few games ago when the out of bounds call went Celtics way and KG hit Gasol’s hand to knock the ball out), I don’t remember the Pierce drive but I’ll look at it.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 18, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't bother to read this whole topic
If it’s just gonna be about the refs this, the refs that. Seriously, if you guys are that grouchy, then go to bed, and we can talk about Game 7 like adults in the morning/afternoon. Heck, we have all summer. But goodness, I feel like half of you aren’t even gonna watch the NBA next year. Is this an accurate assumption?
If the forums are to be believed
A lot of people are checking out for good tonight.
I think we’ll have our share of recidivists though.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Definition of annoying
1. Fans who refer to the team they root for in the first person plural. 2. Basketball fans who blame officiating after a close loss.
by whatswrongwichu on Jun 18, 2010 2:28 AM EDT reply actions
ray slump 2008 vs cavs, 2009 vs magic. i thought they were just flukes, but 3rd time this happened im not too sure anymore. gawd i wish my dream was real. in my dream we had d wade as our sg and won. =(
i feel really bad for sheed. he was trying so hard, enduring pain, trying hard to control his emotions (you can see he’s really trying to avoid the T)
pp was awesome on help D id give him 40% of kobe’s misses. just didnt close out artest really well.
its also painful that the guys you see fighting for rebounds are an old guy who has a back problem and a 6-1 180lbs guard.
geeez where’s steve javie when you need him!?
doc, i was critical of you during 2007 but man, i think you’re certainly one of the best of this era.
off season, unless ray signs for the MLE let him walk. if pp restructures his contract for less per year and more years, great.
if doc retires id take mchale or jvg. could we get mike miller pls?
cant wait
Gonna be a fun off season for the NBA, I’m very excited to see what’s gonna happen. So many free agents, Dirk, Joe Johnson, Bosh, Lebron, Wade, Rudy gay, Ray List goes on. Can’t wait to see who goes where
by kelly811 on Jun 18, 2010 2:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I Think
the Celts will undergo a massive overhaul. I doubt that Doc returns and I think Ray Allen and Rasheed Wallace are done in Beantown as well. Kevin Garnett is a caricature of his former self and Paul Pierce will decline shortly. Nevertheless, the Boston Celtics won one title with this core, that’s better than my Dallas Mavericks have ever done so congrats! I hate the Lakers but you guys did your best so thanks for that!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jun 18, 2010 2:32 AM EDT reply actions
It seems like a lot of people are blaming Ray for the loss
but Ray did get to the line 6 times (tied w/pierce for most on team), drained two threes, and played terrific D on Kobe (including three steals), sure he missed a few wide open looks and that layup at the end, but basketball is a team game. Kobe had a far worse game, but his teammates picked up. Also, Ray Allen single handily won game 2. If the Celtics had Perkins they would’ve won the game, no doubt about it. The Lakers dominated in rebounding and controlling the paint in general.
No Byrum
Lakers had an injured centered too…. He was not 100% at all played only a little of 40 mins the last 3 games. Lakers got FT because they were out rebounding thus when this happens the weaker team in this stat fouls more to try and get into position. Also, Lakers took it to the rim in the 4th and Gasol (wow).
hey celtic fans
tell paul piece to wipe his mouth next time it looked like he had spent a few minutes with a republican in a bathroom
I'm a laker fan
but you need to respect these fans here too they made it to the finals and played an amazing series. Have a little more class and show Bostn fans that us Laker fans are respectful.
go ahead and be respectful because I for one will not. these clowns trashed our blogs in 08, and started it again in 2010. I can care less about a moral high ground as i’m going to continue pouring salt on this open wound.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
my house is packed right now with everyone drinking guinness, while I chill on the couch posting this. I am enjoying this moment very much and so is everyone else in laker land. Stop with your shit man.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
This guy is not from SS&R and should hardly be called a Lakers fan.
Don’t drink and type, moron.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
you clown you’re proving nothing but prolly making yourself feel good being a “classy” fan. Bullshit I hate the celtics and their fans, 0 respect and they showed me and laker fans this shit back in 08 and in 2010. piss off you weak sucker. these clowns are LOSERS.
by lakers24life on Jun 19, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Let it go. Why Jeff Clark hasn't BANNED a ridiculous troll like you is beyond me.
There is place for low class commenters like yourself – Yahoo Sports, its the trailer park of blogs, you’ll find plenty of like minded mouth breathers to trade insults with.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
D'ohhhhh !!!!
Much as we hate the Lakers, I think that we have to give them credit: they are younger, more athletic, they have the best player (although he semi-choked tonight), they executed down the stretch…. Nice effort by the Celtics, anyway. Nobody expected them to get this far after the Regular Season. With a 50 % KG, an ageing PP, a fat ´Sheed and still we were a couple stops away from raising #18.
Losing to the Lakers sucks. They are the Antichrist of basketball. But, hey, Danny will reload the green machine and we´ll get them sooner than we think.
Oh Danny boy, the pipes are calling …..
(Man, I feel terrible …. )
Best of luck next year
I’m looking forward to a rematch. Your team played great and I congratulate them for making it a 7 game series.
the refs kept them in this series. the celtics are the dirtiest team in the NBA and deserve to be the losers that they are.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
did you even watch the series? lakers get called for all the touch fouls while boston hammers them on the other end.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think it worked out for our advantage, we learned to be more aggressive, so stop bitchin and moaning
go back to your couch with guiness and guests and enjoy the night.
No, I'm an appreciative person when it comes to great games
what you need to do is go suck on Paul Pierces dick since you love talking about him so much
haha paul pierce still has white stuff on the side of his mouth even after the game. He must of seen joe balian in the shower room and needed something to suck and cry on.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
hey joe what are you doing in the celtic shower room anyways?
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You most certainly have to be
a 12 year old watching basketball for the first time of your life. You sure do sound like it.
BE A GENTLEMAN AND WIPE PAUL PIERCES MOUTH NEXT TIME ASSHOLE.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No rebounds no championship
It’s hard to believe that people expected the free throws to be more even when the rebounding numbers were so lopsided. Teams that get out-rebounded tend to foul more. And in the 4th, the Celtics stopped going to Sheed and KG (were they tired?) and they went to Pierce who gave them very little. Ron Artest played the best D I’ve seen him play, and that’s saying a lot.
I'm crying right now.... :'(
THANKS FOR THE 17 BIG THREE…
Looking to next year: Boston vs. Orlando . . .
is a realistic for next year’s Eastern Conference Finals as well. After this summer’s free-agent follies are completed some contenders may be better on paper, but untested as far as the ability to make it deep into the playoffs.
The best teams in the East are as good as the best teams in the West, but most of the rest of the East is lower-grade by comparison, so the Cavs both overachieved and benefitted from the weaker competition en route to their regular-season record. Odds are they’ll come down to earth noticeably next season, with or without Lebron James, who will increase his statistical eclipsing of Kobe Bryant, but has no one nearly as good as Pau Gasol riding shotgun.
Rondo will be another tier better in his all-around game. His development has been so pronounced that it could make up for what the remnants of the Big 3 loses by being another off-season older (similar to Tony Parker’s effect on the Spurs in the recent past).
Danny Ainge as a GM may not be Jerry West (who is?), but he’s proven to be pretty good. Expect a compelling move to retool the roster prior to next fall’s tip-off. No need for a complete overhaul. Give the majority of this roster another shot next year, then rebuild around Rondo the following year (a la Kobe post Shaq).
Lots to look forward to for Celtics fans.
In the West, I don’t think Oklahoma City will be ready just yet to get past the Lakers (who will remember this year’s scare early in the playoffs). The Lakers have enough talent to make it back to the Finals next year even if physically a bit banged up (like this year).
Hope for a rematch, and maybe the fans on this board can then get closure for what they’re feeling now.
I know how that feels. I was wearing a purple-and-gold jersey this time two years ago.
Congratulations on your win
Hope to see you next year this time.
by TheOutletPass on Jun 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget dem Bulls
Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Taj, Noah
Thibs as a head coach
and either Bosh, LeBron, Wade, Johnson, Amare, etc.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 18, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you potentially have a lot to look forward to
But I’ll repost from what I wrote above: “. . . some contenders may be better on paper, but untested as far as the ability to make it deep into the playoffs.”
If James and Wade don’t come, I don’t see the others being the answer (if getting to and winning the Finals is the measuring stick).
Celtics fans — Is Thibs really head-coach material, or is he an uber-assistant?
I wish you the best as well. I was a Lakers fan during the ’90s, LOL.
About Thibs
He may work with a talented younger team with superstar thrown in. Hopefully he gets one in Chicago.
I'm sure Kurt Rambis
is jealous regarding the roster Thibs will inherit.
I like the master-vs-apprentice storylines. Hopefully the Bulls will meet the Celtics in the playoffs (assuming Doc Rivers doesn’t bow out).
I agree
It’s an exciting time for the Bulls, especially with free-agency and the LeBron rumors swirling around, so were getting really, really carried away, but that’s what fandom is about. I also think Bosh could take us to at least the ECF next year if we miss out on LeBron or Wade.
1. Rose, 2. Bosh, 3. Noah, 4. Deng. A core that is 26 or younger. That team could really compete with anybody, even though it will lack outside shooting, which is a key component of any championship contender.
The bottomline is that the East could potentially look really different next year depending on free-agency. The Celtics really should keep Ray Allen and go for one more shot at the title before they begin their rebuilding stage with Rondo, Perkins, and Big Baby.
by LoveForTheGame on Jun 18, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Please put a muzzle on Noah
when the playoffs come around next year.
You’re right about the Bulls potentially being able to compete with anyone. The problem is, I think the core will be too young to go all the way, though they should be able to challenge for years to come and round into a contender in a few years if the chemistry works.
CRY CRY CRY
Lakers just wanted it more! they beat us at our own game DEFENSE. Face it we held Lobe but they had others who stepped up, Artest, Gasol, and Odom. Perhaps this is what the C’s lacked. Who would of thought Kobe 6 for 24 and we lose. We did so get them their props.
Example No. 1 of why everyone outside of L.A. hates
Lakers fans. True bandwangoner if ever there was one.
haha your franchise was pretty much dead and the joke of the town for years, now all of a sudden there are a shitload of boston fans? You couldn’t even give away celtic tickets not to long ago. shut the fuck up.
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You know...
Both the Lakers and Celtics were pretty quiet during the 90s.
Michael Jordan and the Bulls anybody? Your team’s “Zen Master” should tell you.
Get 'im Rich
Classless for sure. But rabies can affect the mind, says my Google-fu.
C’mon Lakers fans, high-5 yours buds as you pop champagne while watching SportCenter looking out a balcony over the Santa Monica Pier. That’s class.
ok. why did you reply to me with that, im not even a lakers fan. im a fan of everyone in boston getting aids and dying. everyone knows celtics fans are the loudest most annoying assholes, so now hopefully you’ll shut the fuck up for a while.
by rabidmonkey51 on Jun 18, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
My Apologies
As a Laker fan I have to apologize for this a*&hole. He’s probably high on adrenaline from burning cop cars.
Seems they must be two twelve year olds who
drank too much soda during the game and are jonesing at the keyboard while their parents are trying to sleep.
No need to apologize guys
Someone with that few brain cells can hardly be fan of anything. I’m shocked they can even use a keyboard.
Anything Is Possible!
by BostonBrotherhood on Jun 18, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
keep your apologies to yourself you suck ass
by lakers24life on Jun 18, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
same here
apologies as well. feel free to bring out the banhammer
Sooo you must be a Cavs or Magic fan right? Must have sucked getting taken out by an old and depleted Celtics team.
it did suck. but im ok knowing your team in on the decline and my team is in a much better position to win in the future. your window has shut. my window is still wide open.
by rabidmonkey51 on Jun 18, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm old and Celtics are great always
lifelong laker fan, I was there in 66’ 68’ 69’ your team cut my heart out. 69’ was something that lasted to this day. 84’ was so painful for a true laker fan, game 2 and 4 give backs and boston toughness.
85’ was and is still the greatest laker victory ever, this is #2.
Know this, your team, your fans, your legacy, is why beating you means everything.
respect respect respect
we now have yours as well I hope.
be at peace celtic fans your tradition is unmatched.
by Dan Wilvers on Jun 18, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, it's the fans that have been around the longest that
have the most class.
Congratulations on the win. And to Gil, Kobe won, and JoeB. thanks for the posts and basketball talk.
I know I’ve been going on about the refs, but the game just ended (sort of) and I had to get it out of my system.
They Lakers played great, they deserved the win.
What a series. One for the ages.
You guys showed a lot of class on this thread tonight. I hope it’s Lakers and Celtics next year. It doesn’t get any better than this and just like the Celtics pushed the Lakers to get tougher and better after ’08 I expect the Celtics, especially Rondo, to do the same.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
it won’t happen again next year. The lakers will be there however these losers won’t show up for awhile.
did you censor yourself? hhmmmm. are you fucking retarded?
by rabidmonkey51 on Jun 18, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The Lakers need an improved bench
though the starting five will be tops in the league next year (and yes, I’m assuming Bynum plays his usual fraction of a season healthy).
Also, don’t understimate that while Bryant played phenomenal and beyond what’s humanly reasonable as a player of his caliber can, given his injuries, playing through those injuries has a way of making them chronic, which means a noticeable decline in Bryant’s game could begin to show itself sooner than most people might anticipate. Derek Fisher will remain gutty but another half-step slower. The Lakers’ window is closing slower than the Celtics’, but it is closing (does anyone expect to see Phil Jackson too much longer either?).
Good night Celtics fans
Thanks for being gracious hosts of this blog.
All the best and see you next year!
Celtic Fans
Great posts-you celtic fans do really know your basketball-(for the most part)
I was at the game-the energy was amazing-we didnt sit for most of the 2nd Half-we were standing the entire 4th—
It was Bostons Game to lose and they did lose it. The tempo, physicality, and horrible offensive output really favored Boston. They led most of the way. What went wrong?
They fatigued…pure and simple. Wallace in particular, but Allen and Garnett as well. That why they were fouling. Pierce also picked a good game to be a non-factor.
The refs…they missed calls both ways-but as some of you stated, the lakers drove to the basket more in the 4th-home team usually gets home cooking though. rebounds =rings. the team that has rebounded the best won all 7 games.
Up by 13-if Allen or Pierce could have hit one or two threes, the lakers would have been jacking them up and I guarantee you the outcome would have been different. But the Celtics could not close-and the lakers are champs.
For the Celtic Fans blaming Ray-Ray….he is partly too blame, but so are the guys who kept passing to him when he was missing.
Anyhow,congrats on a good year, most people didnt give your team the credit they deserve.
by lakersarechamps on Jun 18, 2010 3:49 AM EDT reply actions
"They fatigued…pure and simple"
This.
No Perkins == too many minutes for KG & Sheed.
Laker fan here
This was the best and most hard fought series I have seen since the 80’s. Wow! Much respect to both teams. The Celtics played their hearts out, as did the Lakers. Kobe is the best player in the game though, and that was the difference.
Looking at it from a Celtics perspective, if I’m Danny Ainge, i’m going to do anything I can get Amare or Chris Bosh. Allen is done, but if they can somehow trade away Pierce for cap space, they can go after Lebron, which would make this rivalry EXTREMELY interesting.
But we’ll see. As much as I hate the C’s, I love to see them in the finals against the Lakers because it’s always a classic.
Best of luck to you guys next year and congrats on a great season, regardless of the loss. I have lots of respect for this team.
We had the game for 3.333333 qtr but let it slip away.
The lack of offense and rebounding cost us the championship
Thanks for an awesome and defensive masterpiece of a series. Keep your heads up!
As for Ray cut him a little slack, because of him, two NBA Finals records have your team’s name on them despite the loss.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Are you guys nuts?
It’s a team game. This team is nowhere with Ray Allen. Actually can be said about almost everybody because each had his role and it’s a team game, but even more so for Ray because the offense ran through him (seems like moreso than Pierce), with all of his cutting and all the screens etc. Out of the young so-called “superstars” in the league right now excluding Kobe, is there any that comparable to Ray? I think not. He’s among a dying breed, along with Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton, and a few others, the NBA doesn’t feature that type of player anymore and they are extremely rare. The team won as a team and lost as a team, and it was the rebounding and presence down low aside from all the missed shots. Pierce didn’t wow me offensively either this game. Also too many missed shots. But the rebounding winner won every game, as others have pointed out.
So the question is, now what? How long can this team reasonably stay together playing this style of play and at this level with their respective ages and ability level/skill-set? Can Pierce still put up the kind of scoring threat that his weaker defense can still be tolerated as part of the mix? I don’t know. There were some good games by pierce offensively in these playoffs, but he seems to have fallen quite a bit from the past. Will Ray Allen’s legs hold up? Will Garnett’s regression on offense AND defense require us to restock the guard positions with better defenders or recruit more big men? Glen Davis is a great role player, but a roleplayer needs a great starting lineup to supplement. If it’s the same starting lineup as now, I’m very concerned with how long this can last.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
Sorry, that should have said nowhere WITHOUT
Way to go with botching up my first post on the site, but that second sentence should have said “This team is nowhere without Ray Allen.” Well I guess we’re nowhere with him too if it’s win-a-championship-or-nothing.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
by V-Mart Shopper on Jun 18, 2010 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Paul iso play
They should have canned this play or at least use it only sparingly. I know Paul is a compeitive guy, but at some pooint he gotta admit and convince himself that he is no longer that deadly one-on-one player some 4-5 years ago. He has lost a step or two and cannot go the basket at will like he used to. His shots were getting flatter and flatter as the year went by. Whenever they ran the iso, the whole offense just went dead.
Gotta give LA a little credit.
The Celtics wanted to run the pick & roll but LA did a good job of managing the switch, forcing Paul into an unfavorable iso.
Also, as we got tired down the stretch we were not getting the stops needed to run our preferred transition offense. We kept fouling and sending them to the line. It is hard to run a fast-break when your opponent is shooting free throws.
Not having Perkins really, really hurt.
Laker fan congrats, we'll take Ray Ray.
Damn great effort Boston. I honestly have never seen any Laker team play such great team defense, it reminded me of, well, the Boston Celtics.
For those Boston fans who don’t want Ray, the Lakers will take him. His defense on Kobe was outstanding, I’m sure Kobe wouldn’t mind. Kobe was so exhausted, imagine how tired Ray Ray was.
Last minutes of game
Just watched a replay of the game, the last few minutes was legendary, befitting of these 2 historic champions. Back and forth, 3 point shots raining left and right, anybody’s game really.
The only thing missing was overtime.
To the abnoxious fans (not the old-time classy one)
Feels good to finally shut up the terrible Boston fans who screamed, “SWEEP!” and then, “BOSTON IN 5!” then in 6 and then in 7. Especially Pierce who said he wasn’t coming back to L.A. My favorite part was how loudly the worst Celtic fans screamed about how physical and tough their team was – especially compared to the Lakers – but then when the games became chippy, everyone from Boston started screaming about the officiating. You can’t have it both ways, and the better team won.
And don’t give me anything about Perkins being out: You Boston fans conveniently cast aside the fact that OUR starting center was gone for all of the 2008 series (not just one game), and Bynum played on one leg this whole time.
You’ve run out excuses, and you’ve run out of time. Goodbye, Celtics. Try to buy another team.
From a Lakers fan
Thanks a lot for a great series. I can honestly say that this Boston Celtics team is the most dangerous and worthy team that the Laker franchise has faced since the 2002 Sacramento Kings.
I make this post because, even as a die-hard Lakers fan, I was bothered by some of those 4th quarter calls. I felt that the crowd swayed the refs in to 2 or 3 calls in the 4th quarter in the Lakers’ favor, which they promptly took advantage of. Outside of the rebounding disparity, I felt the Celtics were the better team today. Therefore, this title feels a little tainted to me, as I didn’t feel that the Lakers proved decisively that they were the better team as they did in Game 6 or against Orlando in 2009. I still feel that the 2010 Celtics and 2010 Lakers are dead-even, separated only by a hair.
Which is why I’d love to see a Boston-LA rematch next year, and may the best team win!
Troll alert
Celtic fan posting as a Laker fan to gather sympathy for Boston.
There is no way you can say the calls went the C’s way in the game. None. You can look at the end total and blast it, but if you actually watched the game, there were actually half a dozen calls the refs missed in the Lakers favor. The Celtics play dirty and chippy and are proud of it; And that style caught up to them in the end.
Sorry, Boston. You came close. But you lost. The refs didn’t miss your shots, they didn’t drag down Allen and Pierce, they didn’t kick Perkin’s knee, and they didn’t lose your 13 point lead. Your old team did.
Just a Few things
Laker fan here (admittedly we don’t have a good blog out there that I’ve found). The Celtics played amazingly well this post season — they’re not the most talented team but they’re the toughest and play very well together especially defensively. Anyone who thinks they play dirty haven’t seen the Detroit Pistons Bad Boys of the 80s.
As far as why they didn’t just keep dumping the ball to Rasheed and Garnett when they were doing so well — they didn’t b/c those 2 guys are old and can’t sustain that offensive effort for a full game anymore.
As far as Ray Allen being the goat, ehhh. Sure he had a terrible offensive game, but how often is he expected to expend that kind of energy on the defensive side of the ball. He along with his help defense held Kobe to 6-24 shooting. Also of course you don’t want to sign him to a long deal, but unless your signing dwayne wade, you’re most likely getting a downgrade.
As far as the Celtics not having a real chance to defend their 2008 title? LOL! Injuries happen. It sucks that it happened in game 6 of the finals, injuries happen all the time, players change. LOL at this notion.
As far as the refs costing the celtics the game. Blaming the refs is ALWAYS WEAK SAUCE. Calls in a game and series always go your way sometimes and against you sometimes.
The Celtics were a scary team to me as a Lakers fan, because I know the Lakers are the most skilled team out there, but I didn’t know how just how tough they were (I know they’re tough b/c if you’re not you’re not gonna make it to the finals much less win it all) . I don’t think any team can “outskill” the lakers. I knew the celtics would punch the Lakers in the mouth, I didn’t know if the Lakers would be able to get up and punch bag.
The refs didn’t cost us the game. The 23 offensive rebounds given up in Game 7 did.
With this being said, the refs had a couple of calls they could have made the other way (e.g. the travelling and over-the-back foul on Gasol), and noone would have blamed them then, either. And this could have been the difference between going home defeated, and going home champions. That’s how close those finals were.
As for everything else… we went pretty far both of the last two seasons. I don’t think the Celtics have anything to be ashamed of about the way they backed up their 2008 work.
I thought
Sheed played extremely well in this game. Defensively on Pau and even offensively he had one of his best games, even nailing that three at the end. I honestly thought he had a great game by all accounts. I don’t think you can say he failed to play well against the Lakers. I thought he played a great series and played great defense for you guys.
Yes, Sheed came up big and played his heart out.
He just ran out of gas down the stretch. Man, did he look tired in those last 8 minutes.
UGH!
during the first three quarters, i was SO sure we were gonna win! then in the last 2 minutes of the 4th, i started freaking out, and this is what happened.
today was one of the worst days of 2010….
we played amazing though. good job celts!!!!
CONGRATS!
In all honesty guys, after all we went through, it’s an accomplishment to reach the FINALS. SUCH A PITY WE DIDN’T CLOSE IT OUT!
FROM A LAKERS FAN
THANKS FOR SMASHING THE OTHER WEAK ASS TEAMS IN THE EAST SO WE COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIP YOUR SORRY GREEN HEARTS OUT. NOW GO FADE OFF INTO OBSCURITY, AGAIN! LOSERS.
hey mr mensa
are you as ugly as you are stupid? I’m sure you are… you’re a complete NOBODY, and you always will be, stupidly trying to attach to the fame and glory of athletes who will never even speak to you, you fool. LOL! keep it going. scream some more. you’re showing us! LOL
boston sucks, boston sucks
ITS SAD THAT EVEN WHEN YOU GUYS GET OUT PLAYED IN THE 4TH QTR OF A GAME SEVEN, ALL YOU GUYS CAN DO IS CRY ABOUT THE REFS. THAT MAKES THIS GREAT VICTORY FOR US THAT MUCH BETTER. JUST IGNORE THE FACT THAT RAY ALLEN OR PAUL PIERCE DIDNT SHOW UP, GARNETT HAD ABOUT 3 REBOUNDS, DONKEY AND SHREK WERE AS FAKE IN GAME 7 AS THERE CARTOON NICKNAMES, AND EVERY PLAYER ON THE LAKERS MADE A BIG SHOT WHEN THEY HAD TO IN THE 4TH QTR OF GAME 7. WE BEAT BOSTON WITH THERE OWN STYLE OF PLAY, WITH OUT OUR CENTER THROUGH OUT THE FINALS, SO NO CRYING ABOUT PERK. THANKS FOR ALL THOSE GREEN TEARS AND ILL MAKE SURE TO GET A BABY BOTTLE FOR ALL YOU PATHETIC FANS CRYING ABOUT THE REFS. LAKERS BACK TO BACK, NO ONE AND DONES HERE, LIKE YOU CELTIC FANS.
by The_Black_Mamba_KB24 on Jun 21, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
Lakers/Celtics...
Hi all…I’ve been a Laker fan and Celtic hater since 1967. All I have to say is: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….!
We in L.A. LOVE the fact that it hurts you Soooooo Baaaaad…That alone makes it all the more sweet! Did they show the parade in Boston?
PEACE!
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