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Shaq An Option

Shaq could replace Perkins

Big stretch for Celtics - BostonHerald.com

Think Chicago’s Brad Miller or maybe even Shaquille O’Neal, who soon may have absolutely no reason to return to Cleveland.

Those are two of the best options Ainge will have to plug the hole left by Kendrick Perkins [stats], who will be recovering from surgery to repair what is now believed to be the so-called triangle - tears of the anterior cruciate ligament, medial collateral ligament and posterior cruciate ligament.

"There's a lot of pretty important things we're going to get to in the first week," said Ainge,

I think that last quote by Ainge might be the most interesting one. Sounds like we'll be making some interesting moves that will impact our summer. At the very least, we'll be finding out about Doc soon and we'll know what Pierce is doing before July 1st.

"There's a lot of things to discuss," Ainge said. "We'll have to go over Paul's most important objectives and our plans. But I know Paul would like to remain a Celtic, and we would like for that to happen.

"I know this, though: I'm going to have a very busy month, even if I don't have a coaching search to worry about. It would be great to have everyone sign for another year, but we'll have to see."

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what?????

did anyone actually see shaq play last year? awful.

brad miller shot 43% last year.

by dobbs on Jun 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Who were you watching?

Don’t watch much basketball beyond the C’s, huh? Shaq had a good year. And when he got injured by Big Bitch’s cheap play and had to have surgery, he came back lighter and in BETTER shape. The fact that the Cavs don’t have anyone able/willing to throw a decent post entry pass isn’t on Shaq. He was solid, particularly for a team that was otherwise really weak in the middle. Obviously Shaq isn’t what he once was, but he’s highly motivated and playing for a ring, not money. That’s a guy you want on your team.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

shaq is not serviceable

shaq is virtually useless now. Teams take advantage of his lack of speed. IF he plays more than 20 minutes he picks fouls faster than a dog gets fleas. In addition to this, he simply misses too many free throws and can’t be used during crunch time. This was all last year, this year he is just another year older, slower, etc…. He is of very little use nowadays.

by FT on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not Shaq's fault

That LeBron tanked in games 4 and 5…

by nba is the worst on Jun 26, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq's numbers verse Brads

Shaq averaged about 12 pts and 6 rbs in the same minutes Miller averaged about 6 pts and 4 rbs. And obviously shaq would be much more of a defensive force along with the better stats.

by AaronThornton on Jun 28, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

shaq in green?!

That would be crazy!

Were goin to be the worst free throw shooting team pretty soon..

by farias on Jun 26, 2010 10:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Noooo!!!

Neither one, puhleeze!

by 34green on Jun 26, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

If these are our best options, that’s scary.

by 34green on Jun 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

JO and Z

are out there too.

Yes, these are our best options.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Because Jermaine always shows up......

And always brings his A game when he does….

I must’ve missed both of those things.

by Finkelskyhook on Jun 26, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did you see Z play last year?

He looked stiffer than he was when he was geting run over by Howard in ‘09 post season. Z is as good as done. I’m not sure why, given his limited minutes, but Z seems to have declined massively in past 12-18 months.

And are you serious about Jermaine O’Neal? Like, really? Did you honestly suggest he would be a better center than Shaq for a contending team? I must be misreading something….

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Brendan Hayward is the best option as a FA center

unfortunately hi probably wants too much of the MLE

by hpantazo on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

He could get more than the MLE

from some top-tier free agent chaser who strikes out.

But I forgot him. He’d be our best bet, or Darko: some younger guy.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darko???

Really?? Have you seen his entire shameful career and listened to the whining and sense of entitlement that comes with it? Horrible suggestion.

As far Brendan HAYWOOD (which is who I assume you mean), he is one of those players that looks decent statistically but is fairly crappy in reality. Bad attitude and surprisingly ineffective in sealing the middle on D, despite decent blocking numbers.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq? More like "Clog the hole"!

…pass!

Brad Miller? He and Rondo would have to go out for a reconciliatory dinner first!

by Hal Jordan on Jun 26, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not?

Rondo and The Glove managed.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 26, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

can shaq still do an outlet pass?

by Papatrichs on Jun 26, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, quite a bit. You really aren’t more familiar with Shaq’s game over the past 18 seasons? Must be a new fan of the game

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No to SHAQ?

Anyone who says we don’t need Shaq must have been busy with other stuff during Game 7 of the NBA Finals while the C’s were getting absolutely tooled on the glass.

And I disagree with the poster above. Shaq played VERY well for Cleveland last year, very well.

We have nobody that bangs, boards and blocks shots other than Perk. KG is softer than ever with a gimped knee, and that isn’t going to change.

by Nut from NH on Jun 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

As usual, the Celtics will not be able to compete for the best FA big men out there. Shaq, with all his liabilities, brings exactly what the Celtics need in the front court.

by Surferdad on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

you know what!

ill take shaq or brad miller. i still think shaq still has a lil in him. but the reason why i want shaq to join our team, because what kobe said. i have more then shaq. you dont say that! you stay quiet and dont say anything. i hate kobe with a passion. if you guys are against me, its all good! im up for anything for the celtics to to get back to the finals.

by CBleedsGreeN on Jun 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Get Shaq cheap, he would come cheap...

to win another ring with a bunch of other old hall of famers. It will be a classic story-line all year and Shaq loves that stuff…

“Shaq signs for peanuts to dethrone Kobe”
“The Fossil brigade wins on Christmas Day against the Defending Champ Lakers”
“Shaq teams with Big three for one last glorious run at rival kobe, ring, & redemption”

by Nut from NH on Jun 26, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Shaq , absolutely

Great motivation, need a BIG Dude, nobody is bigger and motivated !

by tioche on Jun 26, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mos Def!

There’s probably no one more motivated to beat Kobe and the Lakers then Shaq. Especially after Kobe ran his mouth the way he did. Lets go after him!

by PaFish on Jun 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

Is what I love. I mean really, would anything be sweeter than having Shaq while denying Kobe a 6th next year? Let’s face it, not really a chance that anyone else comes out of the West…. need to be prepared to play the Lakers and havin a big body (the BIGGEST body) greatly increases your chances, especially when he’s motivated.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember....

Walton’s ad nauseum “Fo Futur Hallafamas” mantra when the lakers brought in Malone and Payton. It rarely works.

by Finkelskyhook on Jun 26, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That didn’t work because Karl Malone blew out his knee half way through season. Missed almost entire 2nd half of season and was never the same for playoffs (retired right after). Plus, Kobe played ridiculuously selfishly (I know, go figure) and really tanked the team in the Finals. Plus, there was that whole KOBE RAPED A GIRL thing hanging over the Lakers that entire season.

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure

 but we need 2 bodies…Shaq,Jermaine,Miller,Haywood?…maybe we can trade Sheed’s contract before he files,with the team basically get $6mil off it’s cap..Baby & Ray in S&T are our only other options in trade market…think we dangle Rondo in a Paul deal???

by Motown on Jun 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Miller, assuming he can kiss and make up with Rondo, would be a good fit attitude wise and Shaq, say whatever you want about the guy is still gigantic and would hopefully work in the Celtics discipline. I’m cool with either one.

by PLuscombe on Jun 26, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Pipe Dream but...

I see two teams that we should be talking to that can fix everything:

Memphis, trade Sheed and BBD, picks, S&Ts with TA/Nate, any of those combinations to maybe take on Randolphs terrible contract and get Rudy Gay for a Rondo type contract. Gay is exactly what we needed in the finals, young legs who can score on his own, he’ll lookk great next to Rondo for years.

OR

Clippers, just get me Gooden and Blake somehow. Not sexy but those two would come cheap. Gooden is Good and can play both big positions, Blake is a guy who can backup Rondo and play with Rondo to give Allen less minutes.

Or Or,

Get me Ty Thomas somehow. Dude’s a stud, Sheeds contract? Ty is a beast and only getting better, another guy that would look great next to Rondo for years to come.

by Nut from NH on Jun 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Some good ideas, like Gooden AND Blake but...

Forget using Sheed. He will retire with a buyout, end of story.

Ty Thomas’ option was just picked up by Charlotte, no?

No way Memphis lets go of Rudy Gay now. He’s one of their cornerstone players and in any case, I disagree that he’s what hte C’s need. A big man who can rebound and play D is far more important.

by Surferdad on Jun 26, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm all for Shaq

If we can get Shaq cheap, I’m all for it. He’ll play the band-aid role until Perk gets healthy. Sign me up!!!

by Chief # 1 on Jun 26, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree with Chief

   And Shaq is the ultimate enforcer. They won’t screw around with Rondo if Shaq is on the team.

by Dipper on Jun 26, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

The intangibles of having Shaq on your team are often over looked, until you experience it

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

whatever happen to???

Etan Thomas? O City benched him and they needed big help?

by Motown on Jun 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Because Etan a blithering idiot.

Basketball is the last thing on Etan’s small mind.

by Finkelskyhook on Jun 26, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq could be a viable option

We would be much better served spending our MLE on a big wing who can play the 3 or 4. Travis Outlaw is the 1st name that comes to mind. Ty Thomas would also be a nice pickup. Ryan Gomes would make a good, cheap option as well. Regardless, spending the full MLE on a C is not a great idea. Haywood would seem to be the best option at C, but he will likely require the full MLE, and more years than DA is interested in signing anyone.

Regarding Shaq; his pick and roll “D” is terrible, but, he does still rebound very well and can also still block shots. He may be our best option. He could see minutes while Perk is rehabbing, learn our system, and when Perk is ready make a very good C off the bench. He also would not be looking for anything long term, which fits with our plans. So long as he would understand the role we would be asking him to play, he would make a good pickup. Unfortunately, he probably wants more money than would be wise to pay him.

by KG's Knee on Jun 26, 2010 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand why so many people think the C's need another wing so badly

Pierce – likely to pick up his option
Ray – likely to sign again with the C’s
Tony Allen – we could resign him for much less than the MLE
Plus, unless good PG’s or big men, decent wing players in general are always available.

by Surferdad on Jun 26, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depth

That is the biggest reason for needing another wing. Preferably somone who can play the SF/PF. KG/Pierce aren’t getting any younger. They need backups that can play significant minutes in order to keep them fresh for the entire season, while allowing the team to maintain a certain level of winning.

It shouldn’t really be that hard to understand.

by KG's Knee on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Posey

We never really did find a guy to replace Posey. He won a lot of games for us in “08” by scoring and defending at crucial moments. He would have been our answer to Ron Artest.

Unfortunately, the Posey of today is just a mere shell of the player he was back in “08”. It’s hard to find guys like him in his top form.

by Banner 18 on Jun 26, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Tony Allen’s playoff performance, I wasn’t worrying about the absence of Posey. The repetitive concern I had was with the absence of Ray Allen’s shot.

by no kidding on Jun 26, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Raja Bell

Fresh again and the lakers are looking at him, actually think he’d be a Tony Allen and Posey upgrade

by AaronThornton on Jun 28, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

No need for sarcasm

The bottom line is the C’s need help at ALL positions. i’m just saying that a big man HAS TO be the prioirty. The starting center and no backup center are gone as of today.

by Surferdad on Jun 26, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need..

Perimeter scoring. Ray and PP aren’t enough.

by PaFish on Jun 26, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

we actually need both these guys with perk out

Let me put it this way: Sheed is gone and so is Perk. That leaves us with needing to replace two bodies, especially when with those two we had just enough and can’t have less.

Plus we coud use Mike Miller so that we always have Ray and him on the floor. Its going to take a near miracle to make this roster solid without Perk

by wahz on Jun 26, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Your math is impeccable!

Any two of the bigs that are being discussed, or one of them plus Semih “Punch Line” Erden, would be good enough at C.

I don’t see how we get even one of them plus Mike Miller, however, although that would put us right back in contention.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Jun 26, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sipping on the Koolaid, but I suspect Shaq would be a great starter for a guy like Semih Erden to learn from. Unlike a certain departing player, Shaq has never been confused about where a center is supposed to set up shop.

by no kidding on Jun 26, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would take either

if we got both it would be an outstanding move

P2 is the man.

by MikeMartin on Jun 26, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shaq and Miller

I think If you look at the big picture of the playoffs and the way in which the C’s lost the finals, both Shaq and Miller would be great pickups. They would definitely allow a rotation which could bang on the boards, and Shaq still matches up well with any of the bigs in the NBA…think of who can control Dwight Howard and Bynum for the road to another NBA finals. The playoffs showed us that you don’t necessarily need to be athletic to win. You need to get rebounds and play team defense!

by orangeceltic on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

SHAQ, MILLER & GARNETT...

Pierce & Ray coming back, add Semih Erden, Ryan Gomes & another 6’11 PF (maybe Ian Mahinmi?) plus Rondo & Bradley, our two fastest & defensive demons, this team going to be UNBEATABLE!!!

by BOOMBOOM on Jun 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about Gomes..

Team president Larry Miller said the Blazers will probably release newly acquired forward Ryan Gomes in order to avoid taking on the remaining three seasons of his contract. hm

by greenbeand on Jun 26, 2010 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s a reason they don’t want Gomes for 3 more seasons….

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yuk

Never ever ever liked his game (BBall as a shoving match). To re-cap: yuk.

by Tenacious D on Jun 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Bringing in Shaq might be the thing that persuades Doc to stay.

Most people can use a change. If you bring in one or two new faces into the rotation, it might greatly increase the chances of keeping Doc here. Shaq might be just the thing. He can fit into the team’s scheme without any major problems and fill a major need for a banger.

But I too am worried about his pick and roll defense.

by no kidding on Jun 26, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Shaq's pick and roll defense isn't good

….but Rondo is good enough to pick up the slack on that somewhat. Teams won’t be able to run it too much, at least not effectively. And if they just try to go inside? Well, I think we all know Shaq will block you or put you on your ass before he allows a layup

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Picture it..

It will never happen but if Sheed comes back for one more year, we sign Shaq and Brad Miller, we would be the most hated team in BBall. It would be a circus on and off the court. We’d set a record for most technicals in history. Dwight Howard would go completely insane.

by Banner 18 on Jun 26, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

not to mention the oldest

good lord ….NO Shaq

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jun 26, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

first you say no to sheed who almost saved our butts in game seven and who we wouldn't have gotten through Cleveland without

and now no to Shaq?? and chance you will think twice about it? Like Sheed he’ll play when it matters. He will not let us get killed on the glass in the playoffs. Perk and him will be quite a dynamic duo in the playoffs. And he’ll use 6 HARD fouls a game.

by wahz on Jun 26, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with ya Wahz

There’s not going to be any of this “slap a guys arm while he drives by you for a layup” BS with Shaq. It’s either a block, or 2 free throws along with a couple bumps and bruises…none of this and-1 crap

"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq

by Max_in_Missouri on Jun 26, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gomes Question for You

Can the Celts pick up Gomes off the waiver wireand assumehis 3 year contract. If so, then they can keep their MLE and use it for someone else. (I think?) That way, we get the back-up three that we need for pierce. Hopefully we got the back-up 1&2 covered with TA and Bradley. PF covered with Garnett and BBD and Sheldon.

by ForexPirate on Jun 26, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Shaq? Is this how we plan for the future? Band-aid fixes don't win championships

Shaq? A huge if….. Based on his play I wouldn’t even pay him Rasheed Wallace money…. And I would be very surprised if Mr. Shaq Diesel would sign for Rasheed Wallace money… Also reports showed he was not content in Phoenix with his playing time or use… Is he really ready to be that guy coming off the bench? Let us not forget this guy is probably one of the best center’s of all time… At least in the top 5…. Again we need to ship out Perk since I really don’t think his level of play will improve to make him competitive down low with the Howard’s, Stoudamires, and Gasol’s of the league… We need more of a permanent and long term solutions that could compliment KG down low… Then again… Bill Walton toward the end of his career did come off the bench to support Parish and McHale down low…. Unfortunately, we only have KG that plays at the Parish or McHale level so before we talk about a guy that can come off the bench we need to look at getting a McHale or Parish type to compliment KG down low…

by jcas2 on Jun 26, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

there will never be anymore parish or mchale types in the league .

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Jun 27, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Shaq...but I'll hate him a whole lot less in green

I’ve never cared for Shaq, but I can’t help but feel he would be magical with our lineup.

by Mrfranchize02 on Jun 26, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

gotta respect the frank honesty

by Julie H on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate Shaq...but I'll hate him a whole lot less in green

I’ve never cared for Shaq, but I can’t help but feel he would be magical with our lineup.

by Mrfranchize02 on Jun 26, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

id rather

have an athletic big man who can run with rondo but im drawing a blank…..dpends what shaq will sign for i guess. if we can get him and keep the MLE, do it, why not

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

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by remembering9ergods on Jun 27, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

no thanks.

perk hows my ass taste you can,t do without me lo lol lol .

lohaus #54

by lohaus#54 on Jun 27, 2010 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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