Get Ryan Gomes (Take 2)
by Jeff Clark on Jun 26, 2010 1:31 PM EDT
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Back in December I made my plea to bring back Ryan Gomes. Well, he wasn't traded and he wasn't released so we didn't get him. Well, now he's going to be a free agent.
Blazers plan to release Ryan Gomes, acquired in trade with Minnesota | OregonLive.com
Team president Larry Miller said the Blazers will probably release newly acquired forward Ryan Gomes in order to avoid taking on the remaining three seasons of his contract. The team has until Tuesday to make a decision, but Miller said he has already told Gomes' agent not to fly him to Portland.
For those wondering how or why the Blazers would release a guy with 3 seasons left on his contract let me explain. He has only a partially guaranteed contract. So the team that owns his rights has the option to release him and will only owe him $1M for this season (and thus clear cap room for the offseason). That's why he was valuable to the Blazers (and why the Heat wanted to trade Beasley for him).
But he'd be valuable to the Celtics for a lot of other reasons. But rather than repeat myself, here's what I said back in December.
One man's tweener is another man's versatile utility infielder. Much like a taller Marquis Daniels he would fill multiple roles on the currently constituted Celtics roster. He'd be that big 3 that has eluded Doc for many a year. He would spell Pierce (which would have a noticeable trickle down effect on the rest of the roster) and he could fill in at the 4 in smaller lineups. He's even developed a reliable jumper that would fit perfectly into Doc's offensive schemes (floor spacing) and he's bright enough to pick up the defense quickly I'm sure.
In terms of personality, you couldn't ask for a better lockerroom and community guy. He was Mr. Ubuntu before Doc introduced that term to the team in '07. Even as a youngster, he was wise beyond his years and there were times when he looked and sounded like a veteran (and maybe at the time he was one of the older players on the team). I can't find the quotes at this moment but when he was traded away, Danny Ainge singled him out as being one of his favorite people and talked about how hard it was to include him in the deal.
So the question becomes, how much will he cost? The contract that the Blazers are cutting would have paid Gomes between $4 and $5 million a year. Assuming he doesn't want to take a large pay cut, that puts him outside the veteran minimum range. So it would take at least a portion of the Mid Level Exception to get him in town.
For that reason alone I don't think anything is going to happen anytime soon. The Celtics will likely have a few guys in mind that they'd like to try to sign with the MLE (like they did last year with Rasheed). On the other hand, the Celtics really don't have a lot of live bodies on the bench right now, so they might be wise to split the MLE between a couple of guys just to fill roster spots.
I'd really, really like to see Ryan back in Boston, but I understand that it has to be a deal that makes sense for everyone. Gomes might find he can cash in with a larger paycheck on a team that misses out on the big name free agents. That's the nature of free agency.
Of course, there are a few other priorities that the Celtics will have to take care of before looking at Ryan. I just hope he finds a way to end up here sooner or later.
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Al Jeff
I like Gomes but would rather trade for Jefferson. We need length more than anything and the options of Shack and Miller do not sound all that enticing. Al Jeff is only 25 and would solve the biggest issue I feel The C’s have and that is LOW POST points. AJ has some of the best low post moves in the league. Always loved him as a Celtic. The T-wolves are all over the place these days and I bet Ainge could work something out. Go get him Danny and bring him home!
What do you propose to trade for him?
KG, Rondo, BBD, Perk, Sheed (probably retiring). Those are our tradeable assets at the moment.
We also could trade our newly drafted bits.
We can trade future draft picks.
We can sign & trade the free agents that we have bird rights to.
Which of these do you want to trade for Big Al?
no thanks
Gomes hasn’t developed at all since his promising rookie season. If anything his 3-point shot has caused him to regress, as he no longer rebounds or attacks the basket.
Yea I disagree
I think we could find a more dynamic 3 in FA to back up paul. Maybe as a last resort.
Not sold
Gomes isn’t the scorer we need at the 3 and we don’t need another undersized 4. Not the right fit for this team.
i think you're wrong
i think he’s exactly the kind of scorer we need – he consistently hits mid-range jumpers. Give Rondo spot up shooters as weapons – we don’t need every player to be a dynamic scorer, just a consistent one.
by milt palacio's shot on Jun 28, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
To Al Jeff
Perk + Sheed + BBD for Jefferson and Brewer? :)
I actually do not mind this trade! Corey Brewer is not that bad, and I still believe that Jefferson is a top player.
I would miss Perk as he is one of my Fav C’s, but there is no guarantee he will even bounce back and be himself after doing an ACL. I get the impression the wolves would not mind this deal, as Perk and BBD expire after next season.
btw
we shud be right at 57 milllion even IF paul takes his option ,whats danny guna do =/ were at 57 million(the cap limit) with only 7 players (including harangody assuming he makes the line up)
I like Gomes, i think BIG Al WONT happen
We have no veterans that would be willing to go over there or we would want to let go over there. Injured Perk and BBD plus Sheed cap room? I bet they can get a better offer. And its not like we can send players over for KG and then get them back once they’ve developed for cheap. It just wont happen
Get him for Scal money
Give him a similar contract to Scal’s. He’ll be more productive than Brian. When we had him, he was a good competitor, loved being a Celtic, great chemistry guy. He was effective with the minutes he got.
Players with better skill sets and are more athletic than Gomes are going to want more money, money we don’t have unless the owners want to go for broke. Most players in this day and age aren’t going to take a discount just for the honor and glory for being a Celtic.
For those clamouring for the return of Big Al
Remember that we have nothing to trade for him except Rondo. You can not include Perkins in any trade scenario as there isn’t a GM this side of Isiah Thomas that would trade for a guy about to go into surgery on all three ligaments of one knee. Until Rasheed decides to finalize his retirement and give the Celtics options to give the team trading for him, no one is going to trade for him either. Everyone else is a free agent or not movable.
Also, does anyone else fail to remember what an absolute disaster Al Jefferson is on the defensive end? His rotations are awful and his man defense on the block is mediocre, and I’m being kind. Forget trying to ask him to guard on the perimeter on an outside shooting big.
Count me among those that would never like to see Al back here.
Gomes. would be welcome back but only at real cheap money. I just don’t see how the Celtic would have a portion of the MLE to give him when they are going to have to bring in at the very least 2 big men and maybe three.
I'm not so sure about that
Perk only has a year left and most of his salary will be paid by insurance if not all of it next year. Not sure if he will even be back at all next year with that type of surgery. That said, any owner looking to save money would trade for Perk and let insurance pay his salary and not be committed to him the next year when he becomes a free agent.
There isn't any insurance that is going to cover his salary
That only happens if it is determined if he is going to be out permanently. If it is determined that Perkins can’t return at all, then the Celtics would be able to get insurance. If not, there is no insurance and no team is going to trade for him to pay him $4 million while he sits and rehabs. Many reports have already come out saying that Perk is basically untradeable due to this injury.
Bottom line: We play defense now. We have no room for the 24-win Alumni Association.
by CoachBo on Jun 26, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you know that?
I mean I would guess there is no insurance on Perk, just cause he probably doesn’t make enough. But if they insured him, there is no way to know what the terms are, right? Do you have some inside info or are you speculating based on previous insured contracts?
Anyways Perk+Sheed+3million would cover most of Perk’s contract.
I’m in favor of this. Shockingly.
by Ryan Gomes Phone Home on Jun 26, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions
Love Ryan Gomes BUT
I think I am gonig to post the following on every story and thread in the offseason:
If we only had Danny's email...
If you had Danny’s email, you could have sent him that on draft night and every day when free agency starts, it might make him think a bit ;)
Hopefully we’ll have that addressed in the next couple of weeks when the LaBron free agency madness begins.
Unfortunately, Danny is unpredictable, he’ll probably sign two more players under 6’4" just to drive people crazy.
If he's that good..
If Andray was that great a player, he’ll easily make over $10mil a year. Other teams would throw tons of $$$ at him. We don’t have that kind of money.
Sign and trade for Luol DENG!!!!
Partially kidding. What are your thoughts?
Who did you want to sign-and-trade?
Why not just Sheed + Baby for Deng?
Couple things...
First off,
Gomes would be on a short list of wings to bring in – Marvin Williams, Beasley, Outlaw, Gomes, all would be nice players to have to put with Rondo as transition happens.
However, the team’s first focus is going to be on the major moves it can make to acquire top-end talent. The peripheral moves to bring in complementary FA’s won’t likely happen until the team has explored all its major trade options and attempted to put the true core together.
Gomes is being severely underrated here though – he had a really tough season last year as the team completely regressed after McHale took off. Under McHale’s coaching Gomes was really starting to put together his total game – he averaged a shade under 18/7 while shooting 40% from 3 as the starting SF.
He is an excellent spot up threat, can take his man in to the post and is also fairly efficient in ISO situations. He is also a terrific player moving off-ball, particularly on offensive rebounds. Offensively he is quite versatile and would be a very good 3rd option scorer on a Rondo-led team – the key of course being having a dominant 1/2 options to play off of.
But, the “big moves” are going to happen first – the team has to address the front-court and there is a very strong chance they look to Shaq or another vet who would be willing to take short money – they’ll also be a major player in trade scenarios with Sheed a LOCK to be traded for value due to his unique situation and Davis, Robinson, Pierce, and Ray all representing value on the trade market as well.
This team has assets to acquire high-end talent, but they can’t out bid any team straight up based on talent – they have to find the right situation and provide financial relief.
so.
ur suggesting a bridge year situation where the team looks toward the future but still compete? or addding to the big 3 plus 1 with a wing and a vet big??
Harangody
What about the new guy-check out this article on him which makes great points
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/06/notre-dames-harangody-is-steal-of-the-nba-draft/
by bbeingphilled on Jun 26, 2010 9:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that's a positive point of view.
Thanks for posting it.
If Danny can get him at a decent price...
He should try to obtain Gomes.
Gomes would be a nice acquisition as he is just what we a need…. a young athletic player.
He would also be a nice piece to go with Rondo on the floor and to build with for the future.
Not a super fan of him on this team
I am a fan of getting a big 3, but mostly to take more of TA’s minutes… Gomes is a very nice offensively, but defensively I don’t know, he’s going to have to cover Lebron at times, are you okay with that? Guess I wanted some more athleticism. On the other hand, if you could grab at a discount deal… also if BBD might be used in a trade. So I’m +1 for Gomes, just not with the MLE, until we have a big man brought in with Sheed’s $$ and another at minimum.
more athleticism? Gomes is at least as athletic as a guy like Shane Battier, considered one of the great defenders in this league
and he’s a good option for all the big 3’s and tweener 4’s of the league who we can’t really match up with. Give him a break defensively – how many times does a hard-working player have to get traded to a good team defense and suddenly reveal that he’s a good defender too before we realize that basketball is a team game and you’ve got to judge in the context of his
team??
by milt palacio's shot on Jun 28, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No.
Costs too much, average defender, we need a 4 and/or 5 from our MLE.
Don't know, but
we need the best available body as a backup for Perk/KG, and to play a fair number of minutes while Perk regains his strength.
I love Thomas
if Danny can get him that would be great.
He is a nice long, athletic player…just what we need.
Answer:
C’s are at or over the cap – we need to find value guys who are UNDERRATED. Ty Thomas is OVERRATED and will get more $ than we can offer because of it.
But I agree with your priorities celt4ever. I like Gomes a lot and would love him on this team, but I’m with you that an athletic big guy should be this team’s number one priority. Basically, Rondo needs weapons surrounding him – spot up shooters, finishers near the rim, guys who attack well on the break. After resigning Ray (spot up shooter) priority #2 has got to be an explosive big guy who will take lobs from Rondo. Ty Thomas would be great at this, but his explosive athleticism is equally valuable to teams around the league…
by milt palacio's shot on Jun 28, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No thanks...this type of player is a "dime-a-dozen"!
Ryan Gomes is “invisible” on the court.
Plus, he doesn`t even begin to give us the necessary length we so desperately need.
Gomez. Meh.
I like him – but not enough to use up any of the MLE on him.
We need that first and foremost to get a body in center.
...
We should sign Ryan Gomes
then trade Glen Davis and Scal for Kevin Love
then trade Tony Allen and Nate and Sheed for John Salmons and Jerry Stackhouse
then somehow aquire Shaq and Ben Wallace
team:
Rondo/Avery Bradley/Oliver Lafayette
R. Allen/John Salmons/Jerry Stackhouse (Ray off the bench?)
Pierce/Ryan Gomes/Tony Gaffney/Stackhouse
Garnett/Kevin Love/Ben Wallace/Luke Harangody
Perkins/Shaquille O’Neal/Love and Wallace to help cover until Perk returns
And give the young guys plenty of minutes in the regular season.
I haven’t thought this through at all.
nope
while i like gomes he doesnt fit this team anymore. we have to many undersized guys and gomes is a tweener who plays his best ball at PF. i hope danny passes on him
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions
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