What If...?
by Jeff Clark on Jun 28, 2010 10:06 PM EDT
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PrintThere's not much else to do in these days of playing the waiting game other than to play the "what if..." game. We've already talked about getting the gang back together and "re-loading" (with limited resources) for one more run with the starting 5 in tact (once Perk returns). While that still would seem to be the most likely and "safe" scenario and it might even be the smartest plan, ...but what fun is that?
If you are a regular listener to the Celtics Stuff Live show, you'll know that Sean Grande talked a little about the possibility that Danny Ainge could make a huge splash this summer. Now keep in mind, as Jon Duke said, "there is no trade checker for this offseason." All the numbers are confusing and still up in the air. So you may need to displace a little reality to ride with this. I don't pretend to be Larry Coon's distant cousin or anything. The closest I'll come is wearing a coonskin hat (what, those aren't in style anymore?).
But just for kicks and giggles, here are some far out there scenarios for you to chew on.
The Nuclear Option:
- Trade Kevin Garnett to the Hornets for Emeka Okafor and Peja Stojakovic. The Hornets are looking to drop cash and would welcome Garnett in exchange for dropping the long term contract of Okafor. Both teams get 2011-12 off from all these salaries anyways because of the impending lockout.
- Seeing KG gone, Pierce would likely opt out and take the biggest payday he can find elsewhere. Consider that someone's going to miss out on the free agent bonanza and someone (looking at you Nets and Knicks) is going to have money to throw at someone.
- With those two pieces gone, you can say goodbye to Doc and Ray Allen as well.
- The team fields a bunch of rookies and retreads on one year deals and convinces Rondo to "play it safe with his chronic ...um, ankle ...or something" problem and take a few months off.
- Lockout year
- Enter 2012-13 with a top lottery pick (postponed till the next year where the draft class will have an extra year of prospects), Rondo, Okafor and oodles and oodles of cap room.
Yeah, that pretty much sounds evil to me. I feel icky just having written it. Let's just move on.
The Eric Weiss Plan (as told to CSL's draft night audience)
- Pierce picks up his 1 year option and we trade him to New Orleans for Chris Paul and Okafor. (yes, I stole the Hornets idea for my Nuclear option idea - so shoot me).
- Pierce gets bought out by the cheap Hornets and returns to the Celtics for the MLE.
- Celtics ship out Rondo and Perkins for assets to win now.
- Re-sign Ray Allen.
Crazy? Or just so sane that he just blew your mind??? Yeah, probably crazy, but still fun for this exercise.
The Vin Baker Special (aka short term questionable gains with long term repercussions)
- Trade Kevin Garnett for Gilbert Arenas
- Trade Pierce for Elton Brand and filler
- Package Sheed and Perkins for Hedo Turkoglu
- Sign and trade Ray Allen for Rip Hamilton
- I can't go on, this hurts my soul. Never speak of this again.
The Ridiculous Sign and Trade Pipedream
- Toronto signs and trades us Chris Bosh for Kevin Garnett and Glen Davis.
- We sign and trade Ray Allen to the Hawks that sign and trade Joe Johnson to us. (I have no idea if this is legal.)
The All Fantasy Basketball Team (from 3 years ago)
- Re-sign Pierce and Ray
- Sign Shaq
- Sign Tracy McGrady
- Sign Allen Iverson
- Convince Sheed to play one more year.
Feel free to share your own silly or serious ideas.
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thanks guys
it was fun to write and broke up a little of the waiting game for me
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
Wow
Jeff, you’re clearly at your best this time of year. H.G. Wells, Isaac Asimov, and George Orwell have nothing on you.
Double Wow
That’s a pretty good BIG 3 of writers there. H.P. Lovecraft as the GM and Mark Twain as the coach and you’d when the science / Fantasy Fiction title every year
All Fantasy fan here
Sadly, Sheed won’t play one more year, but they all would be great signings, except for Iverson. Could you imagine Iverson spelling UBUNTU?
No Iverson and No ping pong balls, thanks.
what’s funny is that I posted my dream offseason and it includes Ray, Pierce, Shaq and TMac… what a bunch of good stories to write about ;)
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
I'll take All Fantasy for $200, Alex
What is… that would be pretty cool if it happened.
McGrady, Iverson, and Shaq would have to split the MLE between them. Yeah, that’s gonna happen, although it really would be a fun team to watch. It might be like a car wreck, but you’d be compelled to watch.
This is how Iverson will spell UBUNTU
I-V-E-R-S-O-N
His comeback will be short-lived, if it ever happens.
by getthat18now on Jun 29, 2010 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
mcgrady for the minimum
could pay off huge if he’d do it. he did say last year he’d play for $1m if the team was a good fit.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 28, 2010 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
what huh ?
this was the most stupid post ever written this unit was one game away from winning a n.b.a. title. all we need to do is reload and thats what danny will do. with the first step getting brad miller .
lohaus #54
I completely support the motive for this post
Which is getting us through to July 1 when we’ll have something new to discuss. Maybe a couple of things.
Heard the CSL show as well. Interested both guests (in particular Grande, who is no outsider) thought that Danny might really make a big splash one way or another.
dont know danny's overall plan but im interested
i liked the draft even though i almost cried when the bucks took sanders.
i like that ainge has interest in mike miller.
i like that he’s already hard into teh center search and has contacted erden.
i still have a feeling ainge has something up his sleeve, probably a trade but i dont know what. just a gut feeling.
i cant wait to see what vets want to come here for a chance to make us better, the playoffs and maybe a championship run.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 28, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Mike Miller… when he’s healthy he is productive… but 62 games in like 3-4 seasons? wtf?
by Celticsdude on Jun 28, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wonder if he'd consider doing something borderline crazy
But perhaps crazy like a fox… like trading Garnett for Arenas. Garnett is gonna be pretty much done next year if ya ask me. I realize that’s not the PC thing to say on this board, but that’s what I think. Now, realistically that’ll probably never happen, but I wouldn’t mind getting some return on KG.
the only player in the league i would trade garnett for right now is bosh, otherwise that is just stupid….McGrady isnt a bad idea but only if its a contract situation like last years iverson/sixers deal, if we can split the MLE on MMiller/Shaq resign everybody …..trade nate somewhere for somehting valuable trade sheeds contract with it or somewhere else for something, then pick up a kurt thomas or luke ridnour type……well be right back in the playoffs with one last chance for this core to get a ring together….after that its build around rondo…i dont think the celtics will ever drop out of the playoffs in rondo’s career …may be a few years before were getting back to the conference finals….
No need for the C's to be so drastic...
Unless a great deal for KG is available all the C’s need to do is slowly replace the big 3 with younger talent one by one as the contracts of the big 3 expire one by one .
Its starts this year with Ray Allen and then with KG and Paul when their contracts expire.
Danny set up the contracts of the big 3 to expire in a cascading manner for a reason…which was so we can use that freed up $$$ to replace them with young talent as each of their contracts came off the books.
If Danny follows this game plan he put in place the C’s can do both, stay competitive and rebuild at the same time which is a win – win for the organization and the fans.
I posted we need to replace Ray with "younger" talent not "big" talent...
It may Bradley our draft pick this year or some other young up and coming low cost guard that the C’s can sign as a free agent this summer or acquire in a trade.
Can't be done - Salary Cap
You can’t use Ray salary to sign a free agent. Currently with PP and without Ray we are at 63M, plus Bradleys guarnateed contract. As we sit we can only use the MLE. With the latest news in the BostonHerald it looks like PP will Opt out. If he does and we renounce him or he is signed by someone else then we’d have about 10M under the cap. Still not enough for a Max deal. We’d also free up 5-6M if Rasheed ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY retired, which he hasn’t done yet. That would get us to just about 1 max contract.
But just because Ray made 20M last year you can’t take that money and use it on another player per the CBA.
i say
pierce resigns for a hometown discount, say we give him 15 mil instead of the 21.5. sign brad miller (who i hate so much, but use the MLE for him), resign TA, and then convince D Wade to get alleys from rondo for the next 5 years and LIGHT IT UP. god that lineup would be amazinggg
rondo/nate or anyone else for cheap
d wade/bradley
pierce/TA
kg/baby/harangody
perk/miller
somebody wipe the drool off my chin
D-WADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come over here if you want another ring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Celtics own the refs on Jun 29, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But those superstars are asking for money.
So it’s more about money now than rings huh?
by Celtics own the refs on Jun 29, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly
we would never lose. with TA’s defense, and bradleys reputation for being a great defender, that second unit has the potential to not let the other team score as long as we can get brad and baby/harangody to play D too. they wouldnt need to score cuz our starters would light it up every night. i need to stop thinking about this.
d waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade
The Getting the Gang Back together option
Resign Ray Allen
Trade Baby, Sheed, Nate to Minny for Jefferson
MLE to sign Gomes and West after they are bought out
Resign Scal
Perkins, Jefferson
KG, Scal
Pierce, Gomes
Allen, Allen
Rondo, West
I dare you to not root for that team if you are a C’s fan.
I wouldn't even trade Baby for Jefferson
by Scal4theallstargame on Jun 28, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
You have to be kidding!!!!! Big Al will eat BBD lunch in the low block all day, all night. Not only will he score but he’ll also grab 10 boards a game. Be serious. And I don’t want to hear how great BBDs defense is compared to Big Al. Neither is a defensive stopper but both are adequate.
All these secnarios
are far fecthed… simmer down fellas…
Well done Jeff!
Quite interesting. I think Ainge might try something involving Boozer. Rumor had it he tried for him at the last trade deadline.
The Jordan Scenario
How about this, sign MIchael Jordan (we all know he’d suit up in a heart beat) to a two year minimum deal sell enough jerseys that we wont care about the Cap… then sign LeBron to a maximum deal. with the lockout and Jordan’s deal in place all you got to do is sit back and watch the money flow in just from jersey sales and sullivan tire commercials while we celebrate #18 with Jordan and Lebron smoking cubans in the locker room.
that would be a first
a team owner playing for a rival team…lol im all for it!
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 29, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dynamic Bench
Trade Sheed, BBD, Tony Allen for Al Jefferson
Sign M. Miller with MLE
Sign Nate Rob on a one year deal
Perk (Vet Min guy until he’s back), KG, Deng, M. Miller, Rondo
bench: Jefferson, Pierce, Nate Rob
Is that you Jeff?
Sounds like you are channeling bill Simmons! (not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Reunion special...
Sign-and-trade Ray Allen for Big Al Jeff.
Gomes is being released by Portland to save some $$. Cleveland could well cut ties with Delonte. Pick them both up using parts of the MLE.
Re-sign Scal. Five years, $20M.
Get the phone number for Gerald Green’s mom, tell her to get him off the x-box, out of the basement, and into training camp.
What’s Seabass up to these days?
you dont want Delonte West
to be sleeping with Rondo’s mom now…do you?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jun 28, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Seabass .....
That’s IT!
Sebastian Volmer!! He’s big enough to play Center! And he’ll brutalize anyone daring to enter the paint!
And I’m sure the Patriots will trade him to the Celtics! Bellichek will trade him for Glen “I-want-to-play-fullback-or-TE” Davis.
Problem solved!
how about
we re-sign scal 
and sign michael rapaport 
and play them together, really mess with the other teams mind. michael would need to dye his hair but it could work!
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 28, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
Scal=
Second best ranga in the NBA right now.
by Scal4theallstargame on Jun 29, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My crazy idea
Ok first Doc returns. Sheed retires but also KG retires and is hired as the assistant coach (with a big “signing bonus”, lol) to help Doc. Paul opts out and re works his contract. With the cap room we sign Wade. After Lebron signs with Chicago Bosh decides to sign with us (to play with Rondo, Wade, Paul) this leaves LJ all alone in the windy city. Ray re signs for the vet min and comes off the bench. Shaq then sign to play with Wade again. Shaq will start till Perk is ok, then he will be the back up.
Easy...
Resign RayRay and maybe Nate
Sheed Expiring for Beasley, Thompson, Battier, Prince, Wilson Chandler or Biedrins
and MLE: Amir Johnson, Louis Admundson, Travis Outlaw or Josh Childress
This is why the offseason sucks.
Thanks for that.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Jun 29, 2010 12:42 AM EDT reply actions
what if
now that Rasheed’s salary is gone, what if Ray Ray was allowed to sign elsewhere, and KG was traded for a servicable, but low cost shooting guard …. enough cap room to sign, dare I say it? I dare, I dare…. King James
Lets load up on veterans
Rondo/Lafayette/Allen Iverson
Allen/Tracy McGrady/Jerry Stackhouse
Pierce/Ryan Gomes/Grant Hill
Garnett/Kevin Love/Ben Wallace
Perkins/Shaquille O’Neal/Rasheed Wallace
It will be fun.
let wallace retire
i think russell can still play
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 29, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
What if ....
LBJ accepts the MLE from us to play with the big 3 for a real shot at his first ring.
from lebrons mouth
i want to be the first player billionaire
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Nuclear Option...
Love it!
So tantalizing…I almost wish you hadn`t mentioned it!
How about...
After seeing his BFF Sheed retire, KG decides to take his two balky knees out to pasture, Ray goes off to his sorta old team in OKC, Pauley P opts out and waits to see if any of the big 3 sign, and wouldn’t ya know it, both Wade and Bosh come to Beantown, Pierce decides to sign for cheap and you have a starting five of Perkins, Bosh, Pierce, Wade and Rondo… that sounds good to me…
by Knuckles O'hoolihan on Jun 29, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions
Trades
(1) Get turgoluo from Toronto for sheed and davis (2) get beasley and wright from Miami for ray allen in a sign and trade. (3) sign two bigs to MLE or other allowable contracts.(4) sign ryan Gomes to free agent contract. Go for home run next june. could trade K G to new Orleans for CP3 and Okafar, Then trade CP3 for need.
by Moses Freeman Jr. on Jun 29, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions
I think Garnett improves next year and will be decent the year after (if we play)
We can probably get Emeka O for Sheed’s contract and filler …. same (most likely) with Beasley.
Getting Emeka is not that sexy, but he’s 28 years old and is a defensive minded center. A little short (same with Beasley), but at least he’d inject the C’s with a little bit more youth.
Beasley would be straight up for Sheed’s expiring, no filler (I’m guessing here). He’s a little bit of a headcase … . but has a decent jumper and other tools to build upon.
How about the ALL Nuclear Boston Celtic Norht Korean Team .....meet you new GM...Mr Kim
Where Amazing Happens and everyone plays for Free!!!!
No LOCKOUT only LOCK-IN…….by GM KIM
Is it Soup Yet?
dirker dirker mohammed gehad
i think that terrorist is trying to tell us something
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops. I take my comment above back.
THIS one wins.
SHAQ?????
As a 40 year Celtic fan, if we sign Shaq, I will start to look for a new team to follow!
Shaq
I never liked the advantage he is given by the ref’s, if he were called on all the fouls he commits (Offense and defense end) he wouldn’t last a quarter. I also don’t think he is that good a player, he has a range of maybe 5 feet, he can’t shoot or rebound well outside of the 5 feet. Take away his ability to foul at will on both ends of the floor, and he just isn’t very good or valuable to your team. His nickname of Diesel is due to his running over people in the paint.
Shaq would be great, IF ..
He seriously got inspired to beat Kobe by joining KG and the truth, and took FT lessons from Ray Ray. This is all secondary to his need to lose about 35 pounds of weight to get back to his Orlando physique. He’d be lighter on his feet and more explosive.
Under that type of super long shot scenario, I’m all for it. I give it a 2.5% chance of happening. He’ll probably want to ride the free agent summit coattails wherever they wind up. If it’s back in Miami … well, he’s already won there and would gladly be their center.
I like your Macgyver-like thinking Jeff!
If only one of these ideas were actually coming into fruition then i’d be looking closer at the possibilities.
yes but he forgot the duct tape and tooth picks
macgyver needs something to work with!
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jun 29, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
"Fun to read but could be possible!"
If Danny & ownership really wants to get that 18th, 19th, & maybe, even the 20th banner!
The last plan is the best as it keeps our team intact & perhaps, is the most feasible plan.
After all, Shaq & T-Mac does have some basketball left in them, they will be great addition to us for the MLE. (AI is worth a shot for say, $1-1.5 million non-guaranteed.)
If LBJ leaves Cleveland, then we have a good chance of getting Shaq since he still wants to win 1-2 more rings & that he have great respect for “Mr. Russell.”
LA, on the other hand, will not even bother to invite Shaq back.
Also, he wont’ get playing time in LA unlike in Boston where he will play a major role now that Perk’s out indefinitely.
Shaq & KG at the same floor, on the same team will be a riot!
Also, Shaq will inspire Perk all the more since Shaq’s his idol.
Shaq & Perk on the same floor (while KG rest) will be pure terror.
Heck, all 3 can play at the same time since KG’s so versatile!
Overall, Shaq alone will be a big help to us in neutralizing LA’s biggies as evidenced by his 2 good games v. LA last year. The just -concluded championship did show that LA’s bigs are better than ours.
And with Sheed now gone, we really can use Shaq & Brad Miller, to some degrees.
T-Mac on the other hand will provide great relief to the aging Ray-Ray & Pierce who indubitably will need more rest time next year.
T-Mac’s only 31 yet still wants to prove a lot – & you can tell that with his offensive game upon returning from the injury, the guy’s hungry!
Now that’s a very deep bench! Might as well go after Eddie House too since we need more deadly 3-point shooters to spread the floor like back in 2008.
Hell, if Ray & Pierce are having a bad offensive game (remember Ray’s struggle which is what killed us?), it will be great to have T-Mac & AI off the bench!
And eventhough they are all aged, there’s no way in the world that all 4 will have a bad offensive game all at the same time.
Now, if 3 out of 4 does have a bad game, we still have a great chance to win with that 1 hot guy playing alongside Shaq, KG, & Rondo.
What awesome firepower to have them all yet Boston is perhaps the most attractive team for them since all the other teams with cap room only talks about the top free agents while these old guys are totally neglected.
That, perhaps, will be enough of a motivating factor come 2011.
And Boston is indeed the best team for these hungry guys to go to since we’re the closest team that can beat LA!
Danny, Doc, & the Big 5 then needs to court these guys.
Heck, Doc will surely stay if we get these guys!
Does a 3-peat sounds possible with these guys. Hell ya!
To para-phrase KG: “Everything’s possible!”
We will then make that Laker-fan punk who taunted KG with that remark after Game 7 eat his words & make him cry next year as well as that entire Laker team. GO BOSTON!!!
KG, Paul, Ray, Perk, & Rondo. Shaq, BBD, T-Mac, Tony, Bradley. AI, Eddie, Miller.
*Williams, Scal, Finley, & Daniels can all go!
Hate to see Nate go but realistically speaking, we will not afford him & that he would want more playing time with a higher salary.
by Prester John II on Jun 29, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
As long as we're thinking in this general direction, what if ... 1) Doc calls it quits, which
2) prompts PP to opt out, which
3) prompts KG to retire, which means
4) the Celtics suddenly are a major player in free agency and sign Wade and Bosh, which
5) makes RA want to resign for short money and come off the bench, which
6) Convinces PP to come back for short money to man the 3.
Or something like that.
If you have to break up the team
If you have to break up the team (Doc leaves, Ray is gone, …) how about the following trade:
Garnett, Avery Bradley go to Golden State
Randolph, Ekpe, Kelenna Azubuike, and Monta Ellis come to the Celtics.
It works under the Salary cap but I doubt Golden State would do it. Maybe there is a variant that they would go for. Perhaps involving a third team.
nice relief, but...
it made me sick to my stomach. yiykes!
The hybrid option
inspired by the Bill Simmons option:
1. Re-sign Pierce … 3 years 40 million
2. Look at Ray Allen for a sane number – if the years get out of control, look for an alternative – not sure who, but the midlevel could get something. Maybe some of it on a Keyon Dooling, who shoots fairly well and can defend both guard positions.
3. Ask Sheed not to formally retire – take his contract and a sign and traded Tony Allen (this is $10 million bucks basically) and look for a starting caliber younger big. Troy Murphy could make sense.
4. Go after Kurt Thomas with the veteran’s minimum.
Rondo in 2010 proved he is good enough that the Celtics could rebuild on the fly without slipping from some form of Eastern Conference contention.
I admire the Patriots, but I LOVE the Sox.
What If...?
Pierce opt out and sign for the min. Ray sign for 4mill per year so we had enought money to sign Wade.
Actually, this could happen
The premise of this article has merit. In no way do I see the C’s pushing for this scenario, but if Ray Allen does not re-sign then expect the ball to start rolling. If the C’s decide that it is unwise to sign Ray to a long term deal he may walk. Then Pierce decides to walk because there are other teams out there prepared to spend. If Pierce (logically) takes the long term deal elsewhere it makes sense to move KG in exchange for future value. Strangest free agent market I can remember.
If Shaq is signed
Then he may be able to teach Perk how to play a bit of offense.
by Scal4theallstargame on Jun 29, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
GASOL ....
Walk twice on one touch of the ball and it wasn’t called . What if … (score was L. A 74 the C’s 70 @ that time ) . That was the play of the season ..IMO .
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