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A Hater's Guide To The Lakers

Disclaimer: These views are the unadulterated views of one fan gearing up for the NBA Finals. They're only opinion, and they're only one man's

"Oh, the history!"  "Oh, the excitement!" "Oh the anticipation!"

Those are things that die hards don't say. For the die hard fan, this series is nearly as much about the Lakers losing as it is about the Celtics winning.

Hating the Lakers goes back generations. There are plenty of recent articles on the history of it all, so I won't bore you with that. Just understand that hating the Lakers is as much a part of being a Celtics fan as worshiping Larry Bird and Tommy Heinsohn.

So, with that in mind I give you a handy-dandy guide to the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers. Not about their game. Not about the way their season went. A guide to knowing just enough about each player to hate them. Embrace the hate, love the game, enjoy the series.

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They Don't Play Much, So We Hate Them Less:

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DJ Mbenga

It is hard to find definitive reasons to hate DJ Mbenga. One, he seems like a nice guy. Two, he got into a scuffle with Chris Mihms in practice one day..and for some reason I like that. Three, he's from Belguim, and they make great waffles. Yes, his head is mis-shapen, and yes, he has ears like a freakish half Bat-Half-Human hybrid. Yes sometimes he roams the streets looking for Half-Mosquito-Half-Human hybrids to eat but usually just settles on the Cheescake Factory. But beyond that, likeable guy.

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Luke Walton

We don't hate Luke Walton because we so desperately love Bill Walton, and the fact that the curly haired one never really plays helps. I tell you what, as long as you don't see any significant game time or hit any timely 3's, we won't hate you.

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Adam Morrison

First of all, Adam, I loved you when you played the lead guitarist of Stillwater in Almost Famous.

You know, hating Adam Morrison at this point is almost like taking the dead horse you used to beat, then shooting it in the head with a bazooka. But hey, if you want to play, I'm your huckleberry. That's just my game. Adam Morrison is trash because....

1) He stinks. Quite literally he is a smelly individual.

2) He was over hyped and once compared to Larry Bird if only for the reason that he was white and had particular kind of mustache.

3) His new NBA roster photo looks like the mugshot of methamphetamine dealer that was wearing a Lakers jersey at the time of apprehension.

Okay, I feel like I know my readers, and you guys want one more. One more?

4) Adam Morrison, is so petty and so disliked even by his own team, that he must steal high fives from opposing players.

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Josh Powell


Again, hating scrubs, like pimpin, ain't easy. I can hate me some stars, sure. I can hate me some rotation players...no problem. But hating me some Josh Powell? Well I can tell you one thing about him. He can't do choreographed omages to movie scenes. (Name the movie, bonus point)

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Shannon Brown

He can crow, but can he fly? Yes. Yes he can. He can pull off some of the most amazing dunks you've ever seen, and make them look effortless. He's allegedly one of the few guys who will be able to check Rajon Rondo. If only we had a guy who was a better one trick pony than Shannon Brown. If only we had our own guard what was known more for his dunking ability than his actual play. Ladies and Gentlemen..I present to you the most under-estimated, unnoticed, completely disregarded storyline of THE NBA FINALS, 2010!!!: Shannon Brown and Nate Robinson Dunk Contest Rematch- This time, it's during a game.

They play a little more, so the hater is greater:

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Jordan Farmar

What is there to like about this too much talkin, not enough producing, fake twittering, short hair having, chicken gristle eatin', wishes he had Rondo's moves but instead he's stuck lookin at old Tyus Edney pro tapes (if he can find any, and even then, they'll be Celtics tapes), V8 juice drinkin, not quite starter material havin, UCLA attendin', not at all like Michael Jordan lookin, punk? Nothin. There ain't nothin to like about him. Nothin.

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Sasha Vujacic

-Oh man, this guy might be the most hated person on the Lakers' team, beside the guy we'll talk about later. First of all, his hair. Check out this wanna be Fabio. If he had anymore grease in his hair, he'd be a fire hazard. Then, we got his infamous temper. "Oh he's European, that's just how they do things! Soccer!" gimme a break. This guy is such a prima donna he needed to start a fight with Goran Dragic just to get some face time last series. He was known as the "Goran Stopper". I mean, if your nickname is "the Goran Stopper", then you need a new nickname. In high school I was known as the "Amo Stopper". Do you know who Andy Amo is? No, you don't because it DOESN'T FREAKIN MATTER. (also I never actually had that nickname, he was way taller than me but just as clumsy so really nobody stopped or started anything).

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Lamar 'Hollywood' Odom

You would think that a Celtics fan would have a serious hatred for Lamar Odom, possibly the most accurate representation of a Lakers stereotype. He's cocky, first of all. He thinks that on any given night he can get his 15 and 10 and just dominate a game. He's also talented. On any given night he could  get 15 and 10 and dominate a game. That leads me to my next point; Lamar Odom is flaky. He isn't Derrick Coleman or anything, but his production is like a fart in the wind. It comes and goes. It seems to come and go on a whim. He is out of excuses for it too..he is too old to have the 'young man's inconsistency' like say a Rajon Rondo. He's too good too often to disappear, and he is completely and utterly unrepentant for it. It's not that there is a failure of remorse, there is seeming a failure of passion. In a lot of ways Lamar Odom epitomizes the 'blue collar versus flash' Celtics-Lakers (kind of forced) conflict. I don't have any witty rejoiners for Lamar Odom, because the truth is enough. Every game some (all) commentator will say "If Lamar Odom shows up tonight the Celtics are in trouble". And every game, they'll be right. That's reason enough to hate me some Lamar Odom..........

.......well that and the fact that he got married on television to one of the stars of a TV show that is possibly single handedly responsible for turning America stewpit.

They're Starters. We hates thems the mostest.

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Derek Fisher

Ugh. Derek Fisher. Gross. People make such a big deal about Kevin Garnett's percieved 'dirtiness', or Perkins 'thuggishness', Derek Fisher is a dirty player. He's old school dirty. He's punch you in the mouth because we're losing dirty, and if he was on the Celtics, I'd admire that. I'd admire that he's forgoing his social security check and his retirement benefits and his obvious dominance in somebody's Sunday afternoon over-40 league (I get it, he's not over 40. It's called hyperbole. Micheal Finley plays for the Celtics and I'm pretty sure he was born during the Spanish-American War.) to grace the NBA with his presence and wisdom, but since he's on the Lakers I hates him. I hate that he shoots 15% from the 3pt line then suddenly hits game winners. I hates that he can get burned REPEATEDLY by younger more athletic point guards but people will say things like "Derek Fisher looks to add Rajon Rondo to the list of point guards he sent home", like he played them in a game of 21 and won a grueling game by 2. Hate that guy.

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Andrew 'Coulda Been ' Bynum

Oh, if Andrew Bynum's knees could talk, the stories they'd tell about 2008. "Stupid Lamar Odom" would be the first thing they'd say. Then they'd talk about how if only 'lefty' woulda got his stuff together the Lakers would be going for a three-peat right now instead of just back to back championships. They'd lament the fact that 'softness on the inside' was what held the Lakers back from winning in 2008, and he could've changed that if only 'Lefty' would have got with the program. And if the Lakers would've won in 2008, then maybe Kobe would love him.

That's why I hate Andrew Bynum. Andrew Bynum, according to the Lakers, was a fundamental reason the Celtics won the 2008 title. Sure, the Celtics defense was the best defense the NBA has seen in 20 years, but the reason why the Celtics won was because the Lakers lost and the Lakers lost is because Andrew Bynum wasn't there.

 'Coulda Been' Bynum's knee got drained recently, and nobody knows how healthy he will be. I pray...pray that his knee is okay. Another thing I hate about the Lakers is that they are not at all against using excuses. Why give them ammunition?

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Ron 'Crazy? Who Says I'm Crazy? I'm Like A Cat On A Train Baby! I'm Always Movin' But I Don't Bark On A Hot Tin Roof IfyouknowwhatImsayin!' Artest

Oh man, Ron Artest. Ron Artest to me like like one of those half moon cookies. Usually, I ignore the vanilla side, because the chocolate crazy side is just so awesome. That's the side that makes Craig Sager say "Queensbridge!!!" in a post game interview. I love that Ron Artest. The bat-poop crazy Artest that would scare me if I ever saw him in person because he's so unpredictable, but seen through a TV screen he is just absolute gold.

But then there is the vanilla side of the cookie. The Lakers side. The side that talks trash, and pulls down opposing players shorts (actually if you watch that video it is definitely in the awesome category. Watch the whole thing.) for kicks. The guy who thinks history doesn't matter, that the Celtics are just another opponent in his ring grabbing scheme. I know, Rasheed Wallace could have the same charges brought against him, but he doesn't talk like the Lakers are just the Grizzlies with a better record. Ron Artest somewhere along the lines thinks that the Celtics are just whatever team crawled out of the basement that is the Eastern Conference. Oh Ronnie, baby, you're wrong. You're so wrong.

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Pau 'Soft Serve' Gasol

President Obama endorses him. He's been playing fantastic lately. People love him. Well, some people. 

We're not those people. We know 'Soft Serve' Gasol for what he really is. He's weak in the post. He can be intimidated, he can be pushed around. He'll cry when he's frustrated and if he doesn't get his milk before bedtime he gets super f-wust-wated. Wictionary agrees. Pau Gasol is over-rated. I don't know what else there is that's worth hating him for. His googly eyes? His goofy hair? That is all secondary as long as people pretend that Kevin Garnett is not capable of stealing Gasol's lunch money and making him call his mom faking sick.

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Kobe 'Bean' Bryant

I almost feel unqualified to write this part of the article. It is like summing up the bible in 200 words. Why do we hate Kobe Bryant so much? It begs the question 'How much time ya got?'

I guess I'm just gonna do my best, without taking any classless below the belt shots, because Celtics fans are better than that.

I hate Kobe because he is selfish. That is as simple as I can make this. Kobe is an amazing basketball talent. Those shots at the end of the Phoenix series....I thought to myself "Man, the Celtics have to beat THIS guy?"

But he's also an emotionally immature player, especially when the chips aren't rolling his way. He punked Alvin Gentry, and that wasn't very classy, but that's part of the game, and has been since Jordan. I can live with that. But watch what happens when Shannon Brown drives to the hole, looks off Kobe and turns the ball over. Watch what happens when Andrew Bynum gets blocked. If there is a stoppage in play, you will see the 'death stare'. It's the "I can't do this all by myself" stare. You don't see that from Garnett, you don't see that from any Celtic. Yes, they argue, but there is respect there. Respect that doesn't seem to shine through from LA. Maybe Garnett did make Baby cry on national TV, but Garnett also builds him up. He mentors him. Who has Kobe ever mentored? Maybe he's inspired millions of basketball fans, but he's never done what Kevin Garnett does on a daily basis for Perkins and Baby.

Frankly I wish the Celtics had a player of Kobe's talent. I'd feel better about our odds during the series. If you didn't catch that, I'm saying what everyone already knows. Kobe Bryant is hands down and away the best player in the series. Rondo has been amazing, but he's not on Kobe's level, not yet anyways.

Heck, an objective man would even argue that the Lakers have the two best players in the series. You could even argue (although I think with far less merit) that the Lakers have 3 of the top 5 players in the series. That's the truth.

But the truth is that in 2008 the Lakers had (arguably) the top two player in the series too. And that didn't turn out, because Kobe Bryant isn't half the leader Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen are. While Kobe is the best player on that team, and when he says something players say 'Sorry man! I'm sorry alright! I don't want to go in the 'Laker be good' hole!' 'How high?' But I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of that lockerroom. And that's why I hate Kobe Bryant. He's cold like Alaska in December.

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Fisher and Bynum are my too least favorite

No matter how much they may hurt my team, I can’t hate great players. I really can’t hate Kobe because I respect his game too much. The guys I hate more than anything are fair to midland or worse players who gravey train off of great players and manage to be dirty or hit the odd lucky shot that makes them look better than they are. Fisher meet both criteria in spades. He is very dirty, but never seems to get called out for it. He has primative skills and should have been out of league ten years ago. Seriously has there ever been a worse starter on multiple championship teams than Fisher.

And I don’t buy for a minute his sick daughter had to go to LA to get treatment. She could have gotten the same treatment in Utah. He just used his sick daughter as an excuse to get out of Utah and go back LA so he could gravy train an other shot at a title. The guy is scum. I hope he catches a monster blind side pick and ends up splayed out on the floor with a broken jaw and a concussion.

I don’t dislike Bynum personally. I am just sick of hearing about him. He is an average center with bad knees. Maybe he could have been great, but his knees won’t last. The whining the Lakers fans do about this guy makes you hate him. If you really think that the presence of Andrew Bynum is going to get you over the top, you are grasping at straws.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Is this a joke?
And I don’t buy for a minute his sick daughter had to go to LA to get treatment. She could have gotten the same treatment in Utah. He just used his sick daughter as an excuse to get out of Utah and go back LA so he could gravy train an other shot at a title.

by Jesse S. on Jun 3, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I am serious

People have cancer all over America. Not every kid goes to LA. That is not how treatment works. In today’s world the oncology center in nowhereville is using the same medicine and treatment techniques as the big hospitals in the city. It doesn’t matter where you are. I think Fisher is really a jerk and used his daughter’s tragic illness as a way to guilt the Jazz into letting him go back to LA.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are very ignorant.

Doctors who specialize in “intra-arterial chemotherapy, a treatment that involves injecting medication directly into the eye,” are not common (link).

No, not every kid with cancer goes to LA. But if you had a child and you had enough money to take them to the best facilities available you would too. Yes, that is how treatment works.

In today’s world the oncology center in nowhereville is using the same medicine and treatment techniques as the big hospitals in the city. It doesn’t matter where you are.

No, you’re very, very wrong.

by Jesse S. on Jun 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

Don’t take this personal if you’re just messing with me… I still find it very hard to believe that someone would think like this.

by Jesse S. on Jun 3, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I am messing with you

He walked away from 20 million in Utah. No one does that just to play for the Lakers. And his daughter had a really wierd form of cancer. He still a scumbag. And hey, if Laker fans can make fun of Paul being stabbed, why can’t we wonder why it just happened to be LA, as opposed to say New York or Houston, where his daughter could get the treatment.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fans who make fun of a stabbing will be banned...

That stuff’s just not on.

We will, however, bring up the wheelchair. Repeatedly. :P

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't it be LA

Why would Derek Fisher move to NY or Houston if he already has a home, family, and a support structure in LA? The Lakers have been his family for most his adult life, Kobe and Fisher started the same year.

Yes, treatments still occurred in NY, but there’s a lot of time in between the treatments. Why would you spend your time in a “foreign” city when you had the opportunity to go to a place where your “family” is?? It’s not like the Lakers were a championship contender…they were a struggling 7-8th seed and getting knocked off in the first two rounds.

The fans in Utah are completely classless and I expect Boston fans to be a little more appreciative of wanting to be “where everyone knows your name”.

by FS Slacker on Jun 3, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Farmar

“Chicken gristle eatin’, V8 juice drinkin,” haha I love the Biggie ref! Best hip hop album of all time… I SAID IT!

Anyways, great post! I’m going to check silver screen and roll today and see if they post up a rebuttle. That picture of Kobe is priceless.

GO CELTS!

by Brewnami on Jun 3, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I've been hating them since

I was a kid, cuz my fav team were Kings… (Stojakovic and Divac are sort of like heroes in this country..)

by LeoMoreno on Jun 3, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Hatin on LA Midwest Style "Straight outta Kansas"

I got me some Faker hate boiling…..and your article just made it simmer a little hotter ……Adam Morrison part had me laughing – even with a hangover.

Excellent excellent stuff IP…especially for a guy who can’t even hang onto his sombrero for the duration of one fight……“we don’t have to show you our stinkin badges”

Phil Jackson? I hate him the worst….One could write a book about that

We don’t need to show the Fakers our badges…..not even our stinkin Adam Morrison ones

BEAT LA …BEAT LA…. BEAT LA….

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jun 3, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I really do not hate anyone in the Lakers on a personal level. I respect Kobe and what he can do (I do believe that he is a bad leader).

But if I have to pick one, it has to be Derek Fisher. He is a dirty player. It is very easy for the refs to miss Fisher’s actions especially if he is not one of the premier players on his team. Try watching him closely, he has many tricks that is really unseen by the officials. Apart from the unseen, obviously, he has done really dirty plays that intentionally hurt their opponent, then he walks away and tries to look like he’s innocent. Heh.

And if not for him, the Lakers team could not be stabilized because Kobe is not a good leader.

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

Yes, intimidation is the key to domination.

by Marjun Raposon on Jun 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Kobe is the worst by far

and all the Kobe worshipers that will argue till the the world ends that he’s the best ever. Most of them are bandwagon fans and never even saw MJ in his prime.

And it’s fair to mention the rape thing. That’s part of his legacy and part of his crappy character taht makes him the most hated player in NBA.

by m!sha on Jun 3, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

No comparison

Jordan, even when he lost early in his career to the Celtics and Pistons, always played well. Jordan never had a blotch on his record like the 08 Finals game six or the game seven against Pheonix a few years ago. I don’t care if Kobe wins ten titles, he will never erase those blotches on his record. Jordan basically finished his career with six titles in a row. Only him and Bill Russell have that kind of record.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

you can add to that a 2004 loss to the Pistons, and the fact that in his first 3 titles Kobe was in a side kick role (can you imagina MJ playing a secondary role and not winning finals MVP?).

MJ is better than Kobe in almost every major stat, better defensively (was a defensive player of the year) and always elevated his game in the playoffs with many memorable moments.

Kobe’s is just a cheap fake. It’s pathetic how he tries to imitate MJ in all those pimps and other stuff.

by m!sha on Jun 3, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot about 04

The other thing people forget about Jordan is that that last championship team wasn’t really that good. He willed them to win. They didn’t have home court in the finals. They needed an incredible fourth quarter of game seven to beat the Pacers. After Jordan and Pippin, their best player was Kukoc who averaged 13 ppg. And after that it was Luc Longley. Go back and look at that roster. Take Jordan off of it and it would be lucky to win 20 games. Everytime Kobe has been on a team that wasn’t deep in talent, the Lakers have gone out in the first round. Jordan won an NBA title.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many games did Jordan refuse to shoot

in order to send a message to his teammates?

Sasha " I have to give myself my own nickname" is a punk. Fischer is probably the dirtiest player in the league – though Howard tried to challenge him for the title. Kobe is the worst kind of leader, but you’ve got to respect his skills.

But most of my hatred goes towards Jackson. Why no mention of the mind game playing (in his own mind), zen mastering, stuck to his seat, help me Tex (please), gift recieveing, self proclaimed Best Coach Ever – except he won’t coach unless you give him 12m a year – coach?

While I have respect for Kobe – I just don’t have it for Phil.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Phil is overrated

Forget 12 million dollars, Jackson won’t coach unless he is given great players. There is no comparison between him and Red. Red built and coached his teams. Red is the one who drafted Russel, Heinson and KC Jones in one year. Red is the one who managed to develop KC Jones and Sam Jones while playing behind Sharman and Coozie. Red is the one who left coaching and went on to build two more multiple championship clubs. Yeah, Jackson is a good coach. But there are at least fifteen other coaches would have won championships with the teams he had. Jackson is a caretaker coach. Who really cares that he can babysit big egos? I would just once like to see him coach a team with inferior talent and get it to overachieve the way coaches like Larry Brown or Jerry Sloan do.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, and a big thank you. There are so many reasons he's over rated

that it’s hard to chose what to write without making a post of 5,000 words (which I’ve done in the past and have tried not to do again). Phil reminds me of a kid who wouldn’t play ball unless he got the ball, was able to go downhill, had the sun and the wind at his back and was able to call his own fouls.

He certainly hasn’t grown any as an adult. Unless you call meditating on the sidelines the mark of a great coach.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another good reason to hate LA

LA sports fans are the most spoiled in the world. Think about it. Their first pro sports team was the Branch Rickey Dodgers. They were handed one of the greatest baseball teams in history without out any expansion losing or suffering or anything. Then, they got the Elgin Baylor, Jerry West Lakers given to them in the early 60s. After that, they got the Raiders when the Raiders were still the Raiders. And despite that, LA fans still come late and leave early. There is no more undeserving sports city than LA

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but the Rams left and almost immediately

won the Championship! Haha, even the NFL refuses to go back.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing Article

These are the types of articles we need! Because frankly I’m getting sick of all the comparison articles I’ve had to read over and over the past 4-5 days… “Feel the hate flow through you!”

The Frwustrating link made me almost have a heart attack hahahaha. You are the master at relevant cultural media links in your articles. The “I’m your huckleberry” clip was phenominal too.

Man this game just won’t get here fast enough! Go CELTICS!

by SpecialistK on Jun 3, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Classic post, IP

And yes, there are reasons to hate Kobe even beyond the ones listed.

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

tonight's officials...

Joe Crawford, Joe DeRosa and Derrick Stafford

by vgarcia890 on Jun 3, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Note to all players tonight

Don’t get on Joey’s bad side. You don’t want to see the cocked head and funny mouthface.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You wanna fight me?"

Who’s Joey going after tonite since Tim Duncan isn’t playing?

They need to can this Lex Luthor lookalike.

Hook Em!

by Margaritaking on Jun 3, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting article on joey crawford about having an ‘ice bucket night’, lol

by vgarcia890 on Jun 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another reason why David Stern is the worst commissioner in sports

After all the isssues with Crawford, why would the league chose him to referee a finals game? Seriously, that is just Stern giving the world the finger.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

‘i want you to make it look like an accident’

by vgarcia890 on Jun 3, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I'm wishing him ill or anything.

I don’t need the Stern police coming to my front door. On the otherhand…..

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

hi celtic fans, im a laker fan.

and this is too funny. lets have a great series, celtics fans.

Now you know -- Manny Pacquaio

by imposibol on Jun 3, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Welcome aboard

All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino

by Roy_Hobbs on Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate anyone!!!!

I just want the Celtics kick their a…..

by celt4ever on Jun 3, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Alright, rooting for you guys.

I guess if I had to hate anyone, it would be
3. Bynum – I don’t get it. I don’t get at all why this kid gets the hype, and why people actually want him. He has a stupid contract, is a prima donna who thinks he’s an All-Star, and is always injured – on a Bosh angle, why people think Bynum is more valuable than all the crap we can throw at Toronto is something I don’t comprehend. I cannot fathom in the slightest why people think this whining fatass is a great player, which is something that I simply cannot fathom.
2. Fisher – well, the Scola hit didn’t help things, and the announcers calling whacking a player in the face “tough” shows that his toughness is bullcrap. Besides, he played for the Jazz. Fit right in there. If Jesus played for the Jazz, I’d hate him too.
1. Kobe – I actually don’t hate Kobe himself all that much. He’s a whiny brat, but he’s good, and I can respect that. His fans however are the worst in the league – worse than Jazz fans, worse than the McGrady fans who plagued us this entire year telling us the SOB wasn’t washed up. Their endless whining about how he really is the best player ever is horrifying and insulting to the game of basketball.

So yeah, seriously dislike the Lakers (not hate. Hate’s for Utah and Dallas.) Go Celtics.

Minnesotan Rockets fan

by Barragan on Jun 3, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't get the Bynum love either

Did you read when Faker fans were claiming they could get Bosh for Bynum at the trade deadline? They absolutely dellusional about this guy. He is, as I said above, an average often injured center. They guy is one step above Tyson Chandler. And he is not even a good teammate. I wouldn’t give them Scal for him in a straight up cap neutral deal. No kidding.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I was just born to hate the Lakers

Father grew up in the 50s/60s watching the C’s. He simply passed his dislike of the Lakers on to me.

Just imagine how bad it sucked going to school in Phoenix for 2 years (2000 & 2001) and having a Laker fan for a roomate. We actually became good friends, but I sure let him know about it in 2008.

by KG's Knee on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Why does your dad hate the Lakers?

The Celtics beat them every year. I would think the guys from the 60s would hate teams like the Hawks and the 76ers who actually won something. And has any player ever been let off the hook for choking more than Jerry West? That guy was a career loser who first couldn’t beat Russell and then couldn’t beat the Knicks. Yet, no one ever rips on him the way they do someone like Barkley or Malone.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

mostly because of the 80's

Born in 81, so his hate for LA started then, and so did mine.

I wear that hate proudly!

Beat LA!

by KG's Knee on Jun 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate the Lakers, the team or the coach...

…and Randy Newman isn’t worth hating… despite that stupid song…

No. I hate LA. I hate LA. I hate LA. I hate LA. I hate LA. I hate LA. …
I hate the plastic phony atmosphere and attitude that hangs like their smoggy air everywhere you go…
I hate the empty and meaningless pursuit of adulation and ever more money that actually sucks perfectly good people away from their origins and makes them go out there to live and ruins them forever……
I hate the way basketball is seen as SHOWTIME first, and a gritty battle of wills and skills
is seen as “Low Class”…
I hate the smarmy ’One-up-manship" that passes for social skills and the preening that accompanies it…
I hate that the BIG ONE is late…

by jyrecelts on Jun 3, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Just think

If the Celtics win this series, the greatest high school basketball player in LA history (Paul Pierce) will be all time Celtics great and have denied Kobe Bryant the chance at passing Magic Johnson in titles. Their tears will be sweet.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more thing to dislike about this city. I had three

different appointments around L.A. county the other day. One in the center of town, one twenty miles north of the city and one 30 miles south of the city. Took six and a half hours of driving. This town suc*s.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sasha

Great read.

I can’t stand Sasha. Watching him smack the chair and cry after Ray broke his ankles in 2008 was one of my favorite things. I also remember reading he won’t wear green because he hates the Celts so much. That just makes me smile.

Dude, you named yourself “the machine”, naming yourself after the male lead in a snuff film isn’t cool.

http://netdugout.com/boston/

by NetDugoutBoston on Jun 3, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you for not picking on DJ Mbenga

The man called “Congo Cash” escaped Death Row in the Congo (OK, his brother bribed the prison guard, but still). HEY YOU GUUUUYYSSS!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

LMAO……I do not hate anyone in this world, especially people I have never met. But I am very competitive and love the Celtics. And I grew up with a father who watched the Russell/Cousy teams and told me that they play the game the right way. As a team. So I recall as a teenager watching Havlicek, Cowens, White and Company, and it just grew from there. Although the Celtics are up 9-2 on the Lakers for titles, I will never forget the two losses to them in 85 and 87. They bother me to this day, much like 08 (and the other 8 losses) must eat at the Laker fans. But hate? Nah. I just want the Celtics to beat the pulp out of the Lakers. It starts tonight. Enjoy the game and look forward to the post game comments in the next few days.

by JPV on Jun 3, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Celts invented dirty play

Come on, IP!! " I don’t have any witty rejoiners for Lamar Odom" Maybe that’s because the word is REJOINDER.

And all you Laker Haters out there in fogland, the dirtiest players on this court will be Ray Allen, who can’t get open without pushing off or pushing his guy into a (moving) screen, and Kevin Garnet who NEVER was stationary on a pick, or failed to stick his knee into the screen-ee’s thigh, not to mention climbing all over everyone’s back.

Given, the Lakers have their dirty players, but Fisher is way down the list behind Bryant and Vujacic.

Keep hating, it’s what Celts do best. You’ll hate ’em more after the Lakers wrap up # 16.

Comin’ at you from Big “D”.

by J-TX on Jun 3, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

2300 words, 50 comments, and only one is bagging on me about a tyPO. I will take it.

And I’m not sure hating is what the Celtics do best. I mean in the grand scheme of things, isn’t winning what the Celtics do best? I mean I think its really awesome that the Los Angles Lakers are trying to bring home #11. I think that’s great. That’s almost as cool as the year 1969. That’s when the Boston Celtics brought home #11. 41 years ago, no big deal or nuthin’.

Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.

by Tom Bellinger on Jun 3, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha invoking the 60's titles?

Considering there were what 4 teams in the league at that time? IMPRESSIVE! How’s the modern era been for the Celtics? You know color tv’s and such? Im sure the majority of the Beloved Celtic “Fans” still have those fashionable Brown Bags handy for another 22 year absence from relevance after the Lakers send you back to the Chowder Capital heartbroken with cries of bad officiating and Stern is out to get you. I didnt know Celtic fans existed before the big 3….I mean it’s hard to see faces through the lil holes you all cut into the paper bags but I could hear Celtic Faithful Chanting MVP for Kobe. That was a NICE touch.

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing....

I hate when Lakers fans talk like this. It is just silly.
Point 1:
So the Lakers won ‘16’ Championships. I mean, i say the LA Lakers won 11, but whatever.

So of those 16 championships, 7 were before 1980. Do you say “We have 9 Championships”? Do you say “Lets bring home banner #10!”?

No, you don’t.

Point 2:
When the Celtics won their first title in 1957, and titles in 58-61 there were 8 teams. (4)
When the Celtics won their titles in 62-66 there were 9 teams. (8)
When the Celtics won in 67 there were 10 (9)
In 68 there were 12 (10)
in 69 there were 14 (11)

You know what all those years also have in common? One of those 8, or 9 or 10, or 12 or 14 teams was ALWAYS the Lakers. I mean sure they moved to a new city without any natural lakes and their entire history was usurped and claimed and moved, which makes them no better than Clay Bennet and his power grab in Seattle, but they were there. They were a part of that league. Lakers fans want to pretend it didn’t happen, like it doesn’t matter, but i wasn’t alive in 1981, so maybe the Lakers title that year doesn’t matter. I wasn’t paying attention in 2001, so that year shouldn’t matter either.

I could get it if maybe the Memphis Grizzlies want to crap all over the Celtics history like its old news. Their franchise didn’t even exist then. But nobody takes them seriously, because their franchise didn’t exist then. Those whole “Your titles don’t matter because they happened a lot time ago” is not only a short sighted arguement, it is also hypocritical coming from LA fans.

And also your city sucks, your fans in your arena (the ones people can see, who can actually afford tickets) are cosmetic and someday the ocean will swallow your city like a pink’s chili cheese dog.

Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.

by Tom Bellinger on Jun 3, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You went on that whole diatribe on something i didnt even say lol

I dont pretend it didnt happen. I dont care.
Boston Fans always revel in the 60’s…I get it! There hasn’t been much for You to cheer about since then. It’s cool. understandable even. While Boston and it’s fans were wallowing in the Lottery and scared to show their faces at games the Lakers were in contention and winning titles. I’d be pissed 2.

It’s not like we’ve had a Former Laker great say he’s a Laker not a Los Angeles Laker. Unlike Bill Russell, Who captained those great Celtic teams said and I quote " Im a Celtic, NOT a Boston Celtic" Due to the racist history of your wonderful city. Have things changed a whole lot since then, cuz you know ive never heard anyone say they want to go to Boston for vacation or anything….What does Boston have to offer besides Horrible accents, nasty crabs (both varieties), and a fanbase that is nothing more than Drunks in the stands who probably couldnt spell BEET EL A but scream it religiously….Funny that those are the only 2 words i can understand..eh oh well wonder if they’ll throw rocks and rock the bus after the Lakers win the title on the “famed” parquet floor? Not so famed but parquet nonetheless

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

one lil tidbit of advice

if you’re gonna get involved in a battle of wits……Dont come unarmed

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re calling that ‘wit’ then it really isn’t much of a battle at all. All you brought to the table is moving goal posts and a lot of words that weren’t funny. Although, you did manage the word ‘diatribe’ so um….

Alright, good talk.

Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.

by Tom Bellinger on Jun 3, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well NITwit

But anywho Truth cant be disputed while opinions can and well i choose to go with Truth as it quiets people much quicker. Good Luck Wish you the worst in the series hope it goes 5 games cuz winning in 4 would be embarrassing for you and the Celtic “faithful”

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you trying to get banned?

I’ve seen this before, it’s like an NBA player who wants to head home early in a boring reg season game, trying to pick up a second tech.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually it started off innocent enough

He threw a few jabs all i did was counter punch

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides

I wont be back here after game 1. They’re already banning Laker Fans and the games havent even started yet. Definitely wont be back after the 1st 2 in LA lol

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy isn't it. Counting the '60's titles. I mean we didn't even

have cars yet and still burned whale oil in order to read books at night.

There’s a new website out for the geeks who think things just started. It’s a basketball matchup site, choose your favorite team ever and pit it against another and it will spew out stats and predict which team would have won.

The fellow who developed the site was on the radio today and he pitted the 8 best Laker teams against 8 best Celtics teams. And – The ’86 Celtics beat the ’72 Lakers and claimed the title as the Best Team of All Time.

It’s all newfangly and all, but it’s so much better than actual results from the way, way past.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand why you constantly refer to the 50 and 60's titles

Life hasnt been that grand for Celtic fans since then. I understand it. It’s quite alright. I would probably do the same thing if the Lakers took 22 years to get back 2 respectability. Nothing wrong with that at all.

You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-F Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!

by EmmCeee on Jun 3, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn, emmcee, I understand why you count

Lakers titles in Mn. What’s up with you? It’s not like it’s the stone age or anything. Besides, the Celtics whooped the Lakers every single time – no wonder you’d like to discount it.

On the other hand, you would count them if the situation was reversed. Hey, don’t you think we should discount all those Yankee championships with Ruth, Gehrig and Murdereers Row. Really, those shouldn’t count at all – it was so long ago.

Whey you said you’d be banned – I understand.

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spoken like a true Laker fan

WAAAAAAA!!!!!

I see you are already getting your excuses ready. I guess Laker fans have had 50 years of losing to the Celtics to practice. So, it makes sense you are good at making excuses when you lose. The 4th Quarter tonight should be interesting. Too bad it will be played in front of a half full arena because LA fans leave early to beat the traffic.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"the dirtiest players on this court will be Ray Allen"

Did I actually read that?

Wow. That has got to be one of the single most idiotic things anyone has ever posted on SBNation blogs.

by mmmmm on Jun 3, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes! Stat Geeks are picking the Celtics 6 to 2

This means the Celtics are now the favorites, and the Lakers have wrested “underdog” status from their rivals!

The Lakers are the underdogs, everyone is disrespecting us!!!! Celtics may not play the disrespect card, we got it now, yaaaahhh!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m just gonna say I think this guide tipped the scales.

Reporter: About a year ago I asked about the Celtics-Lakers thing and you said you'd really only seen it on TV. Now you've been through it, can you talk about playing the Boston Celtics for the NBA championship?
Kobe: It Sucks.

by Tom Bellinger on Jun 3, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are the stat geeks? After tonight, we will all have a little better idea as to what these Finals will look like. I expect both teams to be a little rusty to start but it will pick up. Foul trouble concerns me for our bigs. As for the Lakers, what happens if Bynum can only go 20 minutes and one of your other bigs gets in foul trouble? I know that Gasol and Odom rarely foul out, but since this will be a physical series, I expect them to get hit with more fouls, If they have to sit for long stretches, what do the Lakers do? Their bench is thin after Odom and not a lot of height. To me, this is a key to the series. Everyone talks about the Celtics racking up the fouls, but they had to against the Cavs and especially the Magic because of the physical play of the teams. The Lakers do not play physical but will have to to win this series. Look for some foul trouble and how the Lakers adjust.

by JPV on Jun 3, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes yes yes!

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 3, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

True Hoop Stat Geek Smackdown

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/news/story?page=Smackdown-10

The Lakers are still the champs, and everyone is doubting us! No one believes in us!

It’s fun to be the underdog.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is surprising

They have been hating on the Celtics all playoffs, especially Hollinger who is horrible. None of them know much of anything and are generally wrong about pretty much everything. Their predicitons mean about as much as a magic eight ball.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I asked my magic eight ball

Magic Eight Ball, will the Celtics beat the Lakers?

  • Outlook not so good

Woohoo!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There you go

You are now an “expert” just like the stat geeks.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

As Celtics fans, we should completely tune out the “experts” Our team has proved them wrong time and again and no need to waste our time with them anymore. It is time to circle the wagons, come together and root hard to this team, who has shown so much heart and determination. Rondo, this is your time man. Your stage. Go get it.

by JPV on Jun 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I hope they prove them wrong again

Because “they” (ESPN’s stat roundtable) are picking the Celtics by an overwhelming 6 to 2 out of 8 people.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

the big difference is this time they are following the lead of Jeff Ma

who is the one who has been by far the most consistent and accurate of the group and is the only one who HAS picked Boston consistently.

Notably, Hollinger still picks the Lakers ….

by mmmmm on Jun 3, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit!

We want to hate Hollinger. We hate him more than you do!

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 3, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No surprise, Bynum's knee is still swolen

LOS ANGELES — A day after reporting no progress in his injured right knee, Lakers center Andrew Bynum said Wednesday the fluid he had drained two days earlier had returned soon after the procedure.

“It didn’t really help,” Bynum said of the action, which is designed to alleviate the pain of a torn meniscus. “As soon as I drained it, about 12 hours later, all the fluid came back. … It wasn’t really a good procedure.”

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5244552

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I admire his desire to play on a bad knee. If that were one of our bigs, we would be praising his courage. But he is still young and has a good future in front of him. He could really mess up his career in the long run by playing with this injury. I doubt he can be effective for long stretches and impact the game.

by JPV on Jun 3, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel bad for him

I don’t think he has much of a future. I don’t think he has the knees or legs to hold up.

by John70 on Jun 3, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a UK fan

i am rooting for the Celtics in this series because of Rajon Rondo. I’m not a Celtics fan- in fact I generally can’t stand Boston sports, but I can root for you guys this one time. Plus, I hate the Lakers. Make this a quick series

by Blazer Fan From Ohio on Jun 3, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Also a Kentucky fan....

I’m from Lexington as well…. I like Rondo’s game too but I’m a Laker fan since I was a young’un. This was a funny blog piece, btw. Good luck to both teams.

by Joseflin99 on Jun 3, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Celtics must take 1 of the first 2

We hope Pierce play good against that crazy (Artest) and Rondo play Rondo. Nothing sweeter than beat Komeme therapist and the fakers for this championship.
Celtics in 6

by C'sandiego on Jun 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Can you imagine the panic in LA if they lose Game 1? Then the Lakers and their fans will have 3 days to worry about it. Contrast to us, if we lose game 1, we know we can get Game 2 based on our road record in these playoffs. We just need the split.

by JPV on Jun 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah, they could still lose the first two and win it.

Suppose they lose Perk to a stupid double-T early in game 1. So they lose him to both game 1 and game 2 as a result and thus end up losing both games.

They would then get him back with a two T buffer for the rest of the series as of game 3. So if they then could hold court at home, winning all three, then they would just need to go back to LA and win one of 2.

by mmmmm on Jun 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rondo

will tear Fisher apart. That is a huge advantage to the Celtics. The key in this series will be Bynum- if he can play at all, it gives the Lakers a decided advantage inside. If not, it neutralizes any advantage they may have had. Gotta say Celtics in 6 as well

by Blazer Fan From Ohio on Jun 3, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, IP!

I LOVED the Sasha comments, especially.

Good stuff.

by mmmmm on Jun 3, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven’t been following basketball this year. I actually forgot who Adam Morrisson, this article reminded me of his existance. Good article though, and congrats on making the finals

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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jun 3, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I was just listening to ESPN L.A.

They’re interviewing one of the Lakers assistant coaches. The fans outside are chanting Boston Sucks. It’s not even three yet – how many of them are drunk already?

by eastie Rich on Jun 3, 2010 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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