Celtics Have "Serious Interest" In Josh Howard
by Jeff Clark on Jul 12, 2010 5:53 AM EDT
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PrintIt sounds like the Celtics have at least kicked the tires on Josh Howard (who was traded to the Wizards last season and promptly was injured for the rest of the year.
Per Marc Spears - Yahoo! Sports
The Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls have shown "serious interest" in free-agent forward Josh Howard, a league source told Yahoo! Sports. While the Bulls could have the salary-cap space to sign Howard, depending on what happens with their offer sheet to J.J. Redick, the Celtics would need a sign-and-trade to arrange a deal because they have already used their midlevel exception on Jermaine O’Neal.
Some quick background info on Howard:
Green Street » Report: Celtics have ’serious interest’ in Howard
An All-Star with Dallas in 2007, Howard tore the ACL in his left knee as a member of the Wizards in March 2010. He was projected to out of action from six to eight months but told Yahoo! that he was ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation process and expects to be ready by the start of the regular season. Howard averaged 12.7 points and 3.6 rebounds in 26.2 minutes per game last season.
The Celtics have other interests as well...
Per Gary Washburn - The Boston Globe
Boston has reached out to former Toronto guard Antoine Wright, and former Minnesota swingman Damien Wilkins also could be a consideration.
In other news, Celtics fans hoping to trade for Leandro Barbosa will be disappointed to hear that he's going to be traded elsewhere.
Phoenix Suns close to acquiring Josh Childress, Hedo Turkoglu
The Suns are on the verge of acquiring forwards Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Childress, swiftly rebounding from the loss of Amar'e Stoudemire with two impact players. The Suns would send seven-year veteran guard Leandro Barbosa and late-season addition Dwayne Jones to Toronto for Turkoglu, a 6-foot-10 forward from Turkey with versatile skills to shoot from long range and be a playmaker. Toronto would then move Jones and its trade exception from the Chris Bosh sign-and-trade deal to Charlotte for former Suns forward Boris Diaw. Phoenix will send a 2012 second-round pick to Atlanta in a sign-and-trade deal for Childress, who will leave Greece for a five-year, $33 million contract to play for the Suns.
Thats a lot of wings changing teams that the Celtics won't get in on. There's still time and there are still guys out there, but there are fewer options every day.
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Who are we going to trade away?
Sheed’s contract? Not BBD, I hope.
Looks like it's us and the Bulls going after Howard
You got to wonder if Thibs is looking to see who we’re after and try to snatch them up first. He’s got the cap space, we don’t and Orlando might match the Bulls offer to keep Reddick.
Can he play D???
I know he can score and I assume this if for Sheed’s contract (and/or maybe Scal?) so if he can play D… I think I like it
Most of them "can" play defense. But usually it's just not high on their agenda. Stats are.
Maybe I’m feeling too cynical this morning, but with most all free agents, their focus is on their individual scoring. It’s not even on winning, although they all pay lip service to that.
They all know that you get the publicity for your individual scoring, and not for what you do to keep the other team from scoring. Publicity generally translates into how much you sign for on your next contract. Only rarely do you get a guy like Tony Allen who eventually figures out that a solid reputation can be made by fully committing to playing defense. That’s why it’s usually hard to trade for such players. Their current teams will typically match any offer to hold on to them. It’s also why GM’s like Ainge draft guys like Avery Bradley. They’re the rare players that figure things out before they get to the NBA. (But then, all this leaves me at a loss as to why Ainge let Allen go.)
Being a Mavs fan.
Especially when healthy, Josh is steady on defense. Not a “lock-down” defender though, but can certainly hold his own. He can defend the 2’s and the 3’s.
"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell
by Marjun Raposon on Jul 12, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Appreciate the input Marjun. I can’t say I remember too much about him from his Hawks days.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jul 12, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think...
Josh Howard played for the Hawks, if that’s who you’re talking about.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 12, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry — senior moment. The talk of Childress coming back to the states is getting to me.
by Thruthelookingglass on Jul 12, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony's defensive value is based on his freakish athleticism
But he’s 28 now, and that means his wheels are slipping. Even by 30 guys have lost a step from their peak quickness.
Maybe Ainge has serious hopes for Tony Gaffney.
It’d be clutching at straws, but possibly Ainge is hoping Gaffney can be developed into a solid defender to come off the bench. He at least has the height. It’s far-fetched, but one has to start with the fact that financially Ainge has limited options.
He does not have the legs to do it
Very competitive player but not a terrific defender not to mention now it is not college basketball no more
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 12, 2010 7:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
acl - josh howard
I believe he tore it a few games after he got traded to the Wizards. Not sure when he had surgery, but thats my only real concern with him, is how will that affect his game this upcoming year and if we have to do a sign and trade deal, will he only take a 2 year contract, if not, then there was no point in not signing tony allen.
I don’t remember Josh Howard being a defense stopper.
Damien Wilkins - no
I hope they don’t trade for him/sign him. He is not a good player. Best part of him is that he is related to Dominique Wilkins.
by Zsolt Péter Láng on Jul 12, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions
howard for the mid-level
Yeah,I agree that Howard’s injury is a bit of a red-flag, but I was hoping it would force him to sign a one-year deal and hit the market next year. When healthy, Howard can defend the 2 and the 3 with a physical style that fits the C’s well.
Since a lot of teams are scared away by Howard’s other stat (420), it may hinge on whether the Magic match Redick’s offer sheet from the Bulls. I’m guessing they will match and send VC to another team far far away (Real Madrid, the Siberian Huskies, etc.)
by superluminal on Jul 12, 2010 7:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Where you been?
Most of the mid-level went to JO.
yes i know
I meant “josh howard for the mid-level!” to express my utter shock he would command such a deal.
by superluminal on Jul 12, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gotcha
I guess there are two opposite ends of the spectrum from posters here. Others don’t believe he’d be available even at the MLE. I guess it depends on whether or not you think he ever gets back to the player that Cuban insisted was off-limits in any trade scenario.
all of the midlevel went to JO'Neal.
all we have left to offer is the vet minimum, thats why I thought it was essential to resign Tony Allen using our Larry Bird rights for him. It would not have counted against the cap because of that.
all we can do now is a s/t deal using Sheed’s contract. I doubt Josh Howard signs for the vet minimum so if you used Sheeds contract to trade for him, it will at least cost 6mill a year lol.
I say do it...
Wing is a huge need right now and he has more upside than any of the other names floating around. There are durability and ummm puff puff give issues that prevent it from being a no-brainer, however.
He's way too young for this team, ha
JK – I like him a lot too. Anybody know how many years he has left on his contract?
rudy fernandez
Has has 3 years left, this is 1.4 mil, next year is a little over 2 at the team option, 3rd year is 3 mill and qualifying offer.
Here's hoping we can land one of these two...
I never liked the Barbosa idea so I wasn’t upset to see him go elsewhere. I’d feel much better if we had a guy that could come in for either Ray and Paul and, perhaps, even get more burn than Pierce during stretches of the season. The big difference between Tony and Posey was the lack of offense that Tony could produce. JP at least stretched the floor, allowing Doc to play him down the stretch as a defensive stopper. Both JH and Rudy have scoring ability and would fit in nicely with the 2nd unti.
which means that he really only has 1 year guaranteed left on his contract
Team option means exactly that. The team, not the player, has the right to terminate the contract.
No offense, but you really don’t seem to understand how the CBA works. I have read numerous posts of yours lately that are just flat out wrong.
Here’s some help, if you’re interested:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
http://www.nbpa.org/cba/2005
I am worried about the health of his knee....
and if he would be the same players he was prior to the injury.
Wing?
He could add some front-court depth if signed at the vet min, but he isn’t coming in to give Paul or Ray a blow. I don’t see how that’s an either/or situation.
From what I have read Howard may be out until December. I also read that he “hopes he will be ready for the start of the season” . Who knows..but I would consider him discounted goods because of the knee.
I can see us doing a S&T with Washington…Washington has a lot of young players with attractive contracts. We have sheed’s contract and draft picks.
If we do get something for sheed… it looks as though we will have to wait and see who pans out of the market….It may take until Sep/October to see who is left for the Vet minimum…who gets cut…who doesn’t get picked up. …luckily we have an attractive team..playoff bound with a players coach….otherwise it is a pretty bleak situation
Only a s/t for Nate Robinson
$8m over 2 years is more than fair for a guy coming off an ACL and rehab.
by CuttingEdgeRadio on Jul 12, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions
Does Nate have Bird Rights?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
no but we're still able to pay him 4.5 million next year
because of what he made last year.
by beantownboy171 on Jul 12, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How is this possible???????
Why would a team want Sheed? If they don’t own rights to Howard, what is in it for them to sign him to trade him for cap relief? They don’t need it…
The only asset we have is Big Baby and you wouldn’t trade him for Josh Howard, right? Would you?
What else is there to offer?
draft picks
that’s about all we have to offer, and they probably won’t even be very good picks at that.
Nobody wants Sheed
The idea is:
1. the C’s trade Sheed for JH (or another player(s))
2. Sheed retires
Cets get a player the other team spares about 7 million from the cap.
Doesn't work in this case
Since the Wiz can save the cap space by not resigning Howard.
Agent Zero?
I’m not even sure how it would work out, but Sheed’s contract and BBD and some filler for Gilbert Arenas? Who has a lot of issues, but is still an all-start talent when he is dialed in. Hopefully, Pierce, Allen and Garnett can hold his antics in check, and Arenas is more of a 2-guard and can move without the ball well. We’d be able to bring Allen off the bench and Gil and Rondo would make for the fastest back-court in the league.
Obviously there are a ton of drawbacks to him, but if he is available he might be the highest potential option.
Darn close!
He is just a shade under the max. He gave up like $12 mil under the $126 max contract over 6 years. But he is also a very talented player, and there may need a 3rd team to get involved (one with a trade exception). However, with all indications pointing that he is available, he may be the next “best” option on the market…
maybe ainge should explore:
a trade for either ariza or corey brewer…
i prefer ariza coz he’s more of a total package…long and good defender (individual or team defense), he’s developed his outside shooting, and an open court type of flyer… i really wish we can get this player.
corey brewer is a young flyer with good defensive tools. shooting range is suspect but could develop.
Brewer seems like a more expensive Tony Gaffney. I wouldn’t mind Marvin Williams from the Hawks but I don’t know how good of a chance we have of getting him.
brewer is more athletic and defends 1, 2 and 3's...
gaffney covers 3 or 4
I'd do Sheed's contract and a first for Brewer and Sessions
Get the backup for the 2/3 and a backup PG all at once. Minny is trying to get rid of Sessions.
I like this trade
Sheed to Atlanta for Marvin Williams. There are rumors that Atlanta is looking to dump salary after signing Joe Johnson fo a max contract. Williams makes about $7.5 which makes a deal for Sheed doable. We’d probably have to through in some $$$ to cover a possible buyout for Atlanta to do the deal. Not sure if Williams will ever live up to the hype as the #2 pick in the draft, but he’s young, athletic, plays D and can shoot the 3. He still have 4 year, including the upcoming season, on his contract. That takes away Cap Space from 2012.
Hawks
Hawks ownership group is trying to sell. They are not that interested in saving a few bucks at this point. From their viewpoint, Hawks payroll will be a headache for another ownership group to deal with (hence the ridiculous Johnson signing). It’s doubtful they would trade Williams without another player slotted to take his spot.
Easier to sell a team with fewer long-term contracts
You sign Joe Johnson, that’s alright, you need a “star.”
New owners are generally going to prefer to build their own team. Cleaner slate’s going to be more valuable.
What all this tells me
is that, since we’re now building around Rondo, every player we add is going to have to be able to shoot. No more room for guys like TA who can’t shoot. That neither Rondo nor Perk can shoot is the biggest structural defect in the team.
Antoine Wright would be a good vetmin pickup. When he came out, he was considered the top 3 in the draft. He never turned into what some people hoped, but he’s pretty solid, and he’s a young veteran. The thing in the blurb about him being a SG is somewhat inaccurate: he’s a 3 who can play some 2, but with Bradley on board, I think his slot with us would be backup 3.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Build around Rondo looks like the strategy in 2012
his and pierce’s contracts are the only ones on the books, the biggest unrestricted free agent available in 2012 is Carmelo Anthony. Ainge might want some Melo to go with that Rondo.
Melo to go with that Rondo in 2012?
Where can I order? : )
A perfect world
We trade off Sheed for a Rudy,and another big. Then We get howard for the vet min do to the fact he is hurt,and it’s a what if thing. He signs for one year. Or we trade sheed for Howard,and another player too with the deal.
Howard is perfect to extend PP and Ray
He’d probably be 100% by playoffs. The roster is incredibly formideable with him in it and I suspect some folks have forgotten he was easily all star caliber before the ankle. He’s best friends with Daniels and that could work for or against us depending on Daniels. I’ll say it again: if this miracle happens DA has had a incredible summer
I would trade Sheed and BBD for Josh Howard
We would have a soild 8 man rotation for the playoffs.
Starters
PG: Rondo
SG: Allen
SF: Pierce
PF: Garrent
C: Perkins
Backups
PG: Bradley
SG/SF: Howard
PF/C: O’Neil
Not Sure
I’m not sure I like that bench. Bradley is a rookie combo guard who knows what he can contribute to this team this year. You can count on him for major minutes. Howard will be coming off major knee surgery and we saw how it affected KG and his was no where near as serious as Hoawrds. Howard will not have the explosiveness or quickness til late in the season, or more likely next season 2011/12, the lockout season. He’s be a good gamble on a Vet Min, but I wouldn’t use any of our meager trades assets to acquire him.
Before the po we have a season to play
A long season.
On that roster 2 players are still injured. One of them will only be back in January. By po time the rest of those guys will be dead tired. You can’t even get into the po with vet. min. guys.
I don't think making the Playoffs/Winning the Division will be a problem.
Even with vet min guys/rookies filling up the rest of the roster. Doc will not over play the veterans in the regular season.
Vet min guys get the vet min for a reason. Rookies also can’t usually build on right from the start, they have to get experience.
So either you give the starters more minutes which means they will be too tired by po time or you play the vet min guys\rookies more and face the consequences.
This starting five already tanked the last 2 of the past regular season. And they are a year older now.
Tanking will still at worse case give you a 8th seed.
But realistically we still win the division and get the 4th seed like last year, maybe better. Give Doc some credit and he’s not stupid enough to overplay KG, KP, PP or RA and will save their legs for the Playoffs. That still got us to game 7 of the finals last year. By Playoff time next year Perk will be healthy. Also O’Neil is an upgrade over Sheed. If we add a Howard or M Williams I don’t see how we are not serious contenders again.
Yes, NJ.
Warriors can match but it doesn’t look like they’re going to…
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
warriors and nets worked out a sign and trade where GS gets a $4m trade ex from what ive heard
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jul 12, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
good
I’m very good with that lineup but I want Nate R. back!!!
Perhaps DA considers this the beginning of the rebuilding process. Ray, JO and KG’s contracts expire in 2 years. We have very little room other than Sheed’s contract to acquire a decent player this season. DA has let a few good wings go to other teams. We have Bradley, Erdin and Harangody. We have Gaffney and Lafayette. Perk and BBD expire after next season. Perhaps the vets role on this team now is to tutor the younger guys so they are ready in 2 years. When the big money comes off the books in 2 years, we will have a few quality young guys in Rondo, Bradley, Gaffney and Harangody and a ton of cap space. Also, since a new CBA is coming, perhaps DA figures this is the best way to go. He saves some money, fields a competitive team and sets the stage for signing some big free agents in two years. I hope I am wrong but I do not see too many options at this point.
Is there anyway to bring in Trevor Ariza?
I would LOVE to have him on our team !
by farias on Jul 12, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't want to give up BBD
I would LOVE this move but I’m not sure giving up BBD is the best idea, if it is indeed necessary to make a deal work. We are seriously hurting for height and losing his inside game and rebounding would be tough unless Ainge has something else up his sleeve to replace him. If you remove BBD all you have left is KG and O’Neal and Perk WAY later in the year. We need at least 3 more big guys as insurance.
I think people forget how good Howard was just a few years ago. He was an All-Star and he was still improving his overall game. He is in no way in his prime yet and if he is 100% healthy, he could be a STEAL. His defense is also a lot better than I think he gets credit for too. He’s a long 6’7" and has played a small/fast PF for the Mavs in the past and could do it again if needed.
The weed thing is not even an issue in my opinion. I wouldn’t doubt that about 75% (seriously) of the league smokes in the off-season. He was just dumb and got caught. Hopefully he has smartened up on that since he knows he has a bad reputation now because of it. I’m sure he’s starting to mature since he knows it could cost him money.
don't get the BBD hate
Agreed, not sure why everyone wants to ship Glen out of town. He was a huge key in the playoffs and is signed to an affordable deal.
I like the Marvin Williams suggestion a lot. He would fit what the C’s are looking for and probably wouldn’t cost much in terms of talent.
by superluminal on Jul 12, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He is valuable
He has a pretty good contract for what he contributes which would allow him to be packaged with Wallace’s retirement contract and sent to a team for an overpaid but decent player in return. Hopefully. I would keep Davis if the Celtics were under the cap and could sign a solid vet.
I agree
Also let face it, BBD is a undersize PF/C that can’t rebound and is a average defender at those positions. He has decent offensive sizes, but that doesn’t mean he is not replaceable.
I'd take a flyer on Howard, BUT
I wouldn’t give up too much for him – since he isn’t proven after major knee injury. If they do get Josh Howard I hope its not ALL they do – hopefully some more significant pieces are in place to add. Gettting Howard cheap would be ideal and then using Sheed’s contract for a bigger trade maybe. I’m all for using Nate in a S&T and then brining Eddie House back for vet min to replace Nate. Still need a Big off the bench too……Who’s left out there?? Who is this Earl Barron from Knicks a FA?? He looks promising
Barron went to U of Memphis - worth a look
He’s a 7-footer who split time between the heat’s roster and the D-league since ‘06 (he’s on their summer league roster). The Knicks signed him at the end of the season and he played in 7 games, averaging 11.7 pts/ 11.0 rebs in 33 minutes.
Celtics fans may recall him leading the Knicks to a 104-101 win April 6, where he scored 17 pts and grabbed 18 boards – the amount of rebounds tallied by Perk, KG, and Paul.
He played reasonably well vs Dwight Howard, grabbing 12 boards to DH’s 13, Andray Blatche (8 pts /13 rebs to Blatche’s 19/10) and vs Jermaine and the Heat, going 13/12 to Jermaine’s 8/2
by nba is the worst on Jul 12, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Would love to get someone that can shoot
Not just a stand still shooter but I think we need to get someone that can knock down the 3 consistently.
Someone that can knock down the 3 consistently, but who isn't a stand still shooter...
Kind of hard to come by,
I'm not talking just offensively
I mean, if the guy can shoot and defend, for example, I would be cool with that. But yeah, finidng a good fit (that we can sign) will not be easy.
- no offense intended -
I just have Ray Allen on the brain these days. He’s the very model of the guy who isn’t merely a stand still shooter, but can also hit a high percentage of his 3 point shots. Yet he can also be highly inconsistent at uhhh… inopportune times.
Josh Howard is *going* to sign in Boston....
Boston offers him one HUGE advantage that most other locales cannot.
“Decriminalization.”
Golden State would be in the running too...
He could move to Oakland!
That's Awesome
We just need to tell him not to carry anything over an ounce.
"They don't buy all those banners at Woolworths."
-- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, on all the championship banners at Boston Garden
by Brett Szabo on Jul 12, 2010 12:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rebuild
As much as i am happy to see paul and ray back i think we should have started to rebuild this season trading for draft picks, clearing up cap space for future years ahead. As far as i know , the C’s only have 1 year left for another run at a title , if that.. I KNOW without a doubt that the C’s CAN be the Better team in the East overcoming the Heat, but days are passing and we are getting older.
i think DA is talking to howard saying i’ll give you MLE money, knowing that he can trade sheed to the wizrads to make the money work… maybe DA is working on including a blatche, mcgee, hinrich, al thornton
????
how in the world would we get JH , Blatche, Mcgee, Hinrich, AND Al Thorton?! As much as i would like to see that happen.. im pretty sure the Wizards GM isnt that desperate to start rerebuilding. Just my take. :)
I think he meant the potential for one of those guys to be thrown in the deal possibly. Not all of them. That would be great if we could get some height in addition to Howard but I don’t see it happening.
We need
A player who will translate well into a reduced role. Howard is a starter and will see probably 15 mins max a game. How will his contribution be in that playing time?
One thing too is that he is a 1st quarter player, where does 75% of his points. Can he be our 6th man and be asked to be a scorer coming off the bench?
by Ragetti on Jul 12, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i dont get what you are saying? howard’s role would be the same as sheed’s was, just as a sf/sg.. come off the bench play minutes for ray and paul. play good D vs wade, lebron, carter, lewis, deng, salmons, williams, johnson, kobe, artest.. maybe even dirk, bosh.
to say you dont want to bring a player who can contribute at a high level. better player than TA offensively. and veteran who has proven he can contribute. he gets rebounds, points, assists, steals..
WHY?????????
We need players who can stay healthy that was the problem with daniels ast year..he always got injured
by KyleChristian15 on Jul 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions
Howard would be great but he is essentially replacing TA. We still need a back up center to JO until Perk returns and Erdin should not be that guy, nor should it be BBD. And we need a wing to spell Pierce and a PG to spell Rondo. The Sheed contract should be used to get a quality wing. If so, then does Howard and Nate sign for peanuts? If not, who is left to sign at a basement price at F and SG that help us? If DA is considering Bradley and Haragondy, then fine, but that should be a signal to us fans that the rebuilding has already begun. Damn, I want that Game 7 back!!
Jaamal Magloire
is the type of vet exception guy that we could use
Damn
Looks like he’s making more than we could have offered; basically the equivalent of a two-year LLE deal.
I think he wanted to retire in Detroit...
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he did...
I was just kind of hoping he’d have rather retired a CHAMPION.
At least he’s not going to Miami.
He is a champion
He won it with Detroit in 2004.
Gaffney may win a place by defaut
The way everything is going! Yikes
Couple of other cheap options. They had the wrong Carroll in camp:
http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/career.jsp?player=pat_carroll
Nick could take Sheldon’s spot
http://www.nba.com/celtics/summerleague/2009/postups.html
What about Joey Graham?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grahajo01.html
Graham could come cheap
He’s definitely athletic but he’s not a specialist in defense or offense, kind of mediocre talent wise.
JG does have a rep for not always working on D
But considering our options are dwindling
His stats for last year are no bad…
not sure that josh howard has any class
even if he can play we dont want him, come on aint this the same guy that said black people dont celebrate the national anthem …. the baggage is staring us in the face.. someone tell DA leading the league in T’s doesnt win championships
Exactly
We already signed one idiot – O’Neal. Do we really need to add another?
+1 emphatically
It’s like we’re coming full circle with choices like this.
Danny spent years idiotproofing the team……Then you add O’Neal? Visions of a pothead?
Wow
by Finkelskyhook on Jul 12, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, Howard us an idiot but...
1) Boston doesn’t harbor the same degree of permissiveness that Cubans Mav’s do.
2) he really responded well to Avery Johnson and played exceptional defense during that time.
3) he’s not the first low-character guy DA has brought in, all others have behaved pretty well while here
"They don't buy all those banners at Woolworths."
-- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, on all the championship banners at Boston Garden
by Brett Szabo on Jul 12, 2010 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Danny's Kicking Tires, Beating the Bushes
And he probably has “Serious Interest” in several players right now. The C’s have been said to have interest in Reddick, Barbosa, Miller, Childress, and Howard, among others so far this summer. C’s show interest, somebody else signs them. I see a trend. :)
harrington and howard should be brought in.. al harrington likes to score, friends with JO so JO can talk him into coming here for cheaper then he may want. bring nate back. nate, bradley, howard, harrington, JO. is a horrible Deffensive team, but they will score. and thats what the celtics bench has lacked over the past years!
bring house back as a minimum salary player. to add to the depth. harrington can shoot ala sheed. JO plays on the block. house sits out there to keep double teams away. nate drives to the hoop and distributes.. you would basically have 2 starting 5’s
pg- rondo, nate
sg- ray, house/bradley
sf- pierce, howard
pf- kg, harrington
c- perk, oneal
I wouldn't count on Nate
I’m not sure how enthused the front office and coaching staff was with Nate’s remarkable inconsistency last year. There were a lot of rumblings that his immaturity prevented him from learning the system quickly and relying on a 5 high pick and roll to get into the offense. Also, as someone who went to most of the games, I never once saw Nate pay attention during a time out, he usually was dancing around the sidelines while even Shelden and Marquise were paying attention. As for Harrington, that is a nice out of the box idea, but we’d have to give up at least a first rounder to get him, which I don’t think he’s worth. I would rather get a solid defensive 2 or 3 like Ronnie Brewer or Rasual Butler. Those guys would have to be through a sign and trade for Sheed’s deal plus a second rounder and/or cash. Howard is a big gamble as he ran his way out of town and Dallas and I don’t believe he’ll be at 70% by the start of the season. We saw what injuries did to Marquise this year and we can’t afford to suffer through that again now that TA is gone.
by I Love Getting Rondo'd on Jul 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I guess the league is just going to let the Celtics ignor the salary cap.
Just to be clear, the team has NO money to spend on free agents. So even in the fantasy world where players are more interested in playing with their friends than making money … and where players don’t listen to their agents … your scenario is impossible.
Try to keep it at least slightly realistic.
We can trade Sheed's contract for a player already under contract...
After that, we can use the vet min:
Minimum Salary Exception: Teams can sign players for the NBA’s minimum salary even if they are over the cap, for up to two years in length. In the case of two-year contracts, the second-season salary is the minimum salary for that season. The contract may not contain a signing bonus. This exception also allows minimum-salary players to be acquired via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
If this wasn’t the case, Miami would go into the season with 7 players.
Right, but that in no way explains how we end up with House, Howard and Harrington.
It’s a pipe dream scenario.
Personally I like picking up Josh Howard but I would also like to pick up JJ Reddick as well if Reddick can play like he did in the playlets against the C’s he would be a tremendous addition to the C’s
by micah kenneth on Jul 12, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Chicago Bulls have offered Redick $19 million over 3 years. Orlando may match.
Ainge can’t afford Redick.
I wish we had Butler
That guy owns Kobe in buzzerbeaters (the 20+ lead against the Clippers, that man said “NO!”)… We really need a famous beard now that Sheed’s gone and Divac is highly unlikely getting out of retirement.
Irresponsible I stand...
Huh? Who said we lacked roster space?
OK what I really meant to ask was...
Why do they say we need a “sign & trade” to bring in Josh Howard? the implication I took from this was that we needed to trade someone to the Wizards because we don’t have an opening on our roster. But my understanding was that Tony was just signed away & we didn’t receive anything back, so why isn’t that the opening we can use to bring in Josh Howard? Why do we have to “trade” someone?
Alternatively, where can I find an Idiot’s Guide or should I say a Fan’s Guide to the Salary Cap?
the reason we need to use an S&T transaction to bring in *anybody* of significance
is because at this point the only pure free-agent transactions we can make to bring in external free agents are vet-minimum contracts. We can also use Bird-rights transactions to retain our own free agents.
In order to bring in a higher-priced player from outside, we have to trade salary with another team. So, we can trade, for example, the value of Sheed’s contract (6.3M) to another team for a player or player’s with contracts roughly equivalent (within 125%, I believe). We can get a higher-priced player by signing one of our free agents, for example Shelden, for whatever – let’s say 1.7M, and combine that with Sheed’s to totall 8.0M (i’m using these numbers to simplify the math). We can then trade that to another team for a player (or players) making up to $10M.
In order to do this, the other team has to be interested in dumping salary (in the case of Sheed’s contract) since they’ll get cap relief when he retires or in adding whatever player we send along.
In order to get Howard, we cannot sign him directly to anything more than a vet minimum contract. However, Washington can sign him to a bigger contract (or another team that has cap space could) and then trade him to us. But there are a lot of factors that have to go into making that transaction desirable to all parties. As some folks indicated, it may take a 3-team transaction to make that work.
Thank you very much. A most coherent explanation of a topic that
does not exactly lend itself to comprehensibility!
We need a S&T...
because we are over the cap. I could go on with details, but nickagneta put this GREAT post together and said it more clearly than I could in days:
http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/6/30/1544888/salary-cap-lessons-and-the-celtics
In the works?
Sheed / Marquis / Baby / Semih Erden
for
David West / James Posey
Hornets shed almost all of Posey’s bad contract to get under luxury and get a quality 4 and wing backup. Erden helps out with the numbers but still, young first round pick.
I’d HATE to lose Shrek/Big Baby but acquiring David west would be a no-brainer and we all know what Posey brings to the table. I’m just hoping we keep Nate or trade him for someone better, and that Danny has a plan to replace TA. Josh Howard can be an excellent defender but whether he will be scares me. He’s never seemed all the interested in winning or teamwork to me. I’m troubled by the same prospect on the other end of the floor too, due to his health more than his motor.
Players
Butler and Barron would be good additions…….
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