Shelving The Trade Sheed Option
by Jeff Clark on Jul 23, 2010 5:58 AM EDT
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PrintThe Celtics now have at least the pieces in place to start forming a solid bench. Nate Robison is the backup point guard scoring threat. Marquis Daniels is the backup wing to give rest to Ray and Paul. Glen Davis is the big man backup. If the Celtics sign another vet minimum guy and give some minutes to rookie Avery Bradley then they might be able to get through the first half of the season with a respectable record.
(Side note: with all the players returning, it may only be a matter of time before we re-sign Scal!)
Danny Ainge still has the option of trading Rasheed Wallace's contract for some immediate help, but thus far he hasn't found the kind of deal he's looking for. When it comes down to it, that isn't that surprising. Put yourself in the shoes of teams looking to shed salary. With all the sign-and-trades that just happened, there are plenty of trade exceptions to go around. There are still teams out there with cap room to absorb contracts in exchange for a trade exception and maybe even a draft pick.
In addition, the Cavs are dangling Delonte West who has a partially guaranteed contract that can be waived at the expense of just $500K. Taking Sheed from the Celtics means you still have to go through the process of buying out his contract. Even if the Celtics toss in $3M (which isn't a given) you might be able to get a better deal elsewhere.
So if the Celtics aren't going to maximize the value of Sheed's contract this offseason, maybe they should just hold onto it for the time being.
In February teams will already be out of the running for the playoffs and the pressure to shed salary before the new CBA hits will start to increase. Fewer teams will have the cap space to make unbalanced trades and Sheed's contract would be in higher demand than it is now.
Danny will also have half a season to review our roster and get a better feel for what our needs are. In addition, by then all the guys we just signed will be eligible to be traded if we wanted to. For example, if Avery somehow wins the backup point job, Ainge could package Robinson with Sheed and pick up a sizable contract in return.
I suppose there is also an outside chance that the Celtics could simply hold onto him and negotiate a buyout of their own. But I would sooner imagine seeing him lace them up and try to give us one more year (and I still put the odds of that just above nil).
There is still a very good chance that Ainge might find a deal that suits his liking and pulls the trigger. But if he can't find the perfect deal then the logical move would be to wait patiently for the right opportunity to present itself. If everything goes according to plan, the team could coast through the first few months and add Kendrick Perkins and another player via trade for the stretch run. And as we saw last year, you never know how far this team can go when they are healthy and reasonably well rested for the playoffs.
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Doesn't he occupy a roster spot
If you wait until February? With another roster spot tied up with Perkins, that puts the team in a bad position if a couple of guys get injured or the flu bug hits hard.
Not Really
Orlando played most of last year with only 13 players – Adonal Foyle was there 13th and I don’t believe he ever suited up. I believe Phoenix also played a good part of last year with less than 13 which is required by the CBA. Any many teams played with 14 – most were over the luxury tax and didn’t want to spend the extra 1-2M for a 14th or 15th man.
Most team only play about 9 players so having only 13 players available should not be a big issue. It might hurt 1 or 2 games at the most. But it probably means that Harangody, Gaffney and Lafayette are fighting for 1 spot, unless Danny is able to work some kind of 2-fer-1 deal.
Why exactly does Rasheed have to be bought out or the Celtics send $3 million for the buyout
If he retires all they have to do(or anyone else who then owns his contract) is formally accept his retirement and he is owed nothing. I continue to see this repeated and repeated about a buyout and yet have not found anything in the articles of the current CBA or in Larry Coon’s FAQ of the NBA Salary Cap that mentions needing to buyout contracts of retired players.
he's not officially retired
so if you want him off your books, you have to either convince him to file the paperwork or buy him out – he MIGHT file the papers if the C’s convince him to, but he’s not doing that for anyone else
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
With or without paperwork, if he's not officially retired...
… then isn’t he in breach of contract if he’s doesn’t report to training camp?
Rasheed, get your butt into camp!
Then obviously he won't be traded until he does file his papers
No one is going to trade for him hoping to buy him out or hoping that he will retire. They will want assurances and that assurance will be Rasheed filing his paperwork. I just don’t get the idea that the Celtics will trade him as salary relief for a team without that team being 100%% sure that Rasheed will retire. He’ll either be retired and traded or he will be a member of the Boston Celtics. There really is no in between.
I believe once he files his retirement paperwork he can’t be traded. he is immediately off the books and has to wait a year to play again. I think naturally there would have to be assurances from Sheed about a buyout; they’d just have to work out the terms of a buyout beforehand.
Once he files his papers....
I believe it is up to the team to accept his retirement before he comes off the books and the provision for him not being able to return for a year takes place. The team, whoever that is at the time, MUST accept the retirement. Otherwise the contract stays on the books and they are contractually obligated to pay him.
I believe they are delaying the paperwork to preserve their options.
They don’t have to pay him until the season starts.
In the mean time, they probably are holding out from making the commitment to either straight retirement versus buyout based on two things – whether Sheed might change his mind and say he’d come back late (in which case they’ll want a buyout partner) and also just to see how the various team rosters settle in.
It makes no sense to trade Sheed’s contract just yet because you want to see how all the rosters look when full so that you have a maximum number of trading partners. By definition, the teams that are still well under the cap are not likely trading partners for this contract. Once full – some of those teams will end up back close to the cap and some of those can be projected to be sellers by the trading deadline.
Once they fill out, Danny will be able to better project how rosters will progress through the year and whether it makes sense for Sheed to go ahead and file his paperwork now or not. i also don’t think they would get too bent about paying his checks at least a little ways into the season.
So why would anyone officially retire?
Other than at the end of a contract, it sounds like there is no reason for anyone to ever officially “retire” when they can instead force a buyout. Is that how it actually happens?
Most players don’t officially retire is my understanding. The only reason would be to help out their team and get their number off the books (as Sheed may potentially do for the Cs). I think Jason Williams recently of the Magic did file his paperwork while under contract for the Clippers. I don’t remember the exact details but I remember it being a unique situation—something like rather than play for the Clippers he retired. He had to sit out a year before he could play again but he did (and helped Rondo make that great diving play with his old man body during the playoffs).
No choice
You have no choice but to retire if you are still under contract.
Most players play out their contracts and have no need to retire if they want to take time off. Williams was under contract and didn’t want to play anymore, so the only option was retirement.
by guava_wrench on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Because they don't want to work anymore
If a player has a contract, they are legally bound to fulfill it. If Sheed doesn’t want to play anymore, his he will retire.
If he retires, he gets paid nothing. Why would we pay him up to Feb for nothing? That is wasted money that is doubled with the luxury tax.
There have been many articles suggesting that Sheed has not filed his paperwork because he is giving the Celts a chance to trade his contract first. This would allow us to get someone back, while allowing the other team to shed payroll. It could also be sused in a sign and trade where we give the other team something small like a second round pick for their help.
by guava_wrench on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he Can
It’s very customary for retired players to get a buyout. It provides the player with money and it opens a roster spot for the teams and normally saves the team money. There is no requirement for a player to retire and they can’t be forced to play either, although, it is a breach of contract, but rarely if ever does a team take this approach. The only owner I ever heard threatenind to do that was the Boss, but it was worked out before that happened. Other players are often told to go away and still get paid – Stephon Marbury and Jamal Tinsley come immediately to mind. Although in those cases the Union may be involved and it can get very ugly.
Actually this isn't true
Most players retire at the end of a contract and then just never announce a retirement. Because of this their Bird rights and contract rights stay with the team and then the team can do with them what they will. Keith Van Horne and Wally Szczerbiak are excellent examples of this very common occurrence.
Some players who come to the end and still have a year left but are unwilling to give up that last year will ask to be bought out rather than have to return to play that last year because they would rather do that and get a payout than announce retirement and they never really retire. Antoine Walker is a very good example of this.
But Rasheed is the most rare of players in that he has multiple years remaining on his contract and yet is announcing he wants to retire. Under these circumstances it is not customary for players to receive a buyout. The event is so rare it is not customary for anything to happen.
So we really need to take all parties at their word. Rasheed announced he is retiring, not waiting for a buyout, retiring. Doc and the players who have spoken to Rasheed have said he is retiring though some hope he can be persuaded not to. Danny has stated emphatically that Rasheed is retiring and has reiterated that sentiment and the fact that Rasheed would not be on the team next year in further interviews.
Given what so many people have said and the rare occurrence of the situation, I just do not understand why people just don’t take these people’s word for what is happening and stop with the buyout talk. It has never been mentioned by anyone connected directly to the situation. Not Rasheed. Not his agent. Not Danny. Not Doc. Not the players. Not anyone.
I would tend to agree, BUT
keep in mind that the contract’s value is due entirely Sheed’s retirement and thus Danny has a vested interest (as a seller of that contract) in repeatedly advertising it as ‘retired’.
I think that is why Danny is the most adamant about stating that Rasheed is retiring.
I also think its true – I’m just saying that Danny has reasons to ‘sound’ even more certain about it.
Solid bench?
No we don’t have a center or a wing that can score
by calc on Jul 23, 2010 8:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree...
J.O. is a nice big man with length who can perform spot duty at center just fine ..but the C’s still need a long, beefy legit center to come off the bench.
I hope that man is Sheed, but if not someone else must be signed prior to the season beginning, especially considering Perk will be out injured.
with Sheed's contract still on the books and with Perk out,
you essentially have two roster spots filled but with zero production. We need to sign a big man vet now to backup Jermaine unless Erden is that guy (with his play during summer league, do you want him on the floor for 15 minutes a game in the regular season?)
How many roster spots are still left open? Is Luke officially signed to a contract yet? If there’s one spot left, that goes to a big vet C/PF, if there’s two, the second should go to a long vet SF (Udoka, Butler, Tim Thomas?) to back up PP and as insurance for Quis getting injured again.
Glen Davis is NOT a big man back up -
- and it’s my opinion that Sheed will ‘lace them up again’ next year at some point
-——
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
BBD can't back up perk
- that’s why they got Jermaine
- that’s why they’re still lookin
- BBD is a nice player, the X factore, but it’s clear he gets owned by true centers
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Agree....
Baby is not a center…he has the bulk but has no length at all to properly defend, rebound and score against long legit centers.
Can We Put This On Hold?
No one seems to be able to answer this question. If the season starts, doesn’t he have to report to training camp? If not, does he have to retire? Or can/will the C’s let him sit at home for months getting paid?
Also, if we wait half the year to trade Rasheed, it diminishes the saving to a team. All of the sudden it’s 2-3 million of saving instead of 6, which is definitely not worth it if they have to buy him out.
He will be suspended
If Sheed doesn’t show up he will be suspended until he does. However, he will count against the cap and will take up a roster spot (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q59zzz) Certainly the most famous Celtics to be suspended for this same type situation is William Fenton Russell. And I believe even to this day he is listed as suspended, although because his contract expired many, many, many years ago he doesn’t count against the roster.
Lets(again)pretend that Josh Howard signs with us somehow
perhaps because of Quisy being his buddy and maybe we do a sign and trade to get him more than the Vet min. When Howard was healthy he was a star, a guy deserving of 8 mill a year or more, but he has 2 injuries and had some controversy so his stock is down, but lets say we use a pick, remember I think he was very good and can get back to that, and we get him a year for 3 mill. Lets pretend Sheed is back and its May and we are all as healthy as can be expected
Perk, Sheed
KG, JO, Baby
PP, Howard
Ray, Marquis
Rajon, Nate, Bradley
Thatsa GREAT team right there, imho, far better than last years and big and deep up front and with enough skill and depth otherwise. We need to get Howard and have Sheed come spring summer. Do it Danny
I totally agree, Wahz, but I'm skeptical because there are two HUGE ifs involved:
1) IF we can sign JH. I’m not sure the Cs have 3 mill to get it done because of the salary cap?
2) Injuries. Between JO, KG, PP, JH and Perk, there are only 4 healthy knees. So the odds are pretty high that at any given time someone from that group will be injured to a degree. History bears it out. Then you have Shee’s back and Marquis being made out of glass and, boy, the roster starts to thin out quickly.
Get Sheed back...
Sheed will make a good difference especially with a year under his belt and the quality improvement of this team. So get your rest and then get in the gym and get your ass back! Go Cs….
In theory it sounds great, but
Sheed was not in shape last season going to practice and playing in games; what kind of condition do you think he will be in taking ten months off?; also two knee injuries (Perk and Howard) put’s you in a position of HOPING the recoveries are succesfull, rather than having a known commodity.
He'll be traded within the next two weeks.
Several teams have an incomplete or rosters that could easily be upgraded or dismantled before the season, including the Cavaliers, Bobcats, Nets, Trailblazers, Thunder, Hornets and Nuggets.
With the value of this contract, the Celtics could simply offer cap relief in a transaction that demands a third party. They could receive a player or even two players in such a scenario.
Players who might be available in such a transaction include Troy Murphy, Rudy Fernandez, Joel Pryzbilla, Nenad Krstic, Terence Williams, Stephen Jackson, Delonte West and Nazr Mohammed would just be a few names in that mix.
by superluminal on Jul 23, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why not try top get Okafor?
Davis and Wallace (if he is retiring) for Okafor. Money seems to work and Hornets need to shed salary. Who’s with me?
Money
Okafor is signed for 4 more years at annual salaries of:
2010 – $11.5M
2011 – $12.5M
2012 – $13.5M
2013 – $14.5M
Sheed is slotted for $6.3M this season.
Sorry
I misread your post. Davis is slotted for $3.3M so that totals $9.6M. I forget how close the salaries have to be in order for the trade to be legit. Help?
Correct, its 125% within $100,000
Davis and Wallace for Okafor matches, but Celtics wouldn’t take on that contract.
It’s considered one of the worst in the league.
ESPN trade machine app works great for trade offer ideas. Link
Yeah - no way would DA take that contract.
It blows away his whole long term development plan.
Okay
I’m okay with that and thoght of it myself. BTW that trade works on tradechecker. The only porblem is that his contract runs for 4 yrs and Danny seems to want to have money in 2012. With Emeka on the books, he won’t have that option.
If you review our roster there’s a lot of contracts that can be moved or combined and moved. Many are in the last year or better:
Sheed (retiring)
BBD (expiring) He is looking for a big payday and his spot could be filled by Harangody. Both are undersized PF with special skill sets, but not prototypical PFs.
Quisy (expiring) Definitely a trade asset
Perk (expiring) Even though he’s hurt and our starting Center, I wonder about his future. If Danny wants cap space in 2012, how can he resign Perk who is going to want 8-10M for 5 yrs?
And even Ray, Nate and JO’s contracts are not horrible – short money and only for 2 years.
I’m not saying that Danny is going to trrade all these guys, but there are possibilities. I see two possible scenarios:
1. If for some reason we have major injury problems and the season tanked for some reason we could be sellers at the trade dealine. I’m sure there would be contending teams that might like some of these guys and would pay handsomely. Also, teams out of contention might take them to reduce salary, especially if over the Luxury Tax.
2. We could be championship contender (which we expect) and buyers at the trade dealine. Then a contract like Sheed’s and BBD or Quisy’s could provide a major upgrade that could push us over the top; and maybe with younger players that would aid in retooling so there’s no rebuilding required in 2 years.
I don't think I would trade Davis straight up for Okafor.
Plus Okafor is owed 50 million.
The premise of this article does not make sense. Sheed has to be traded or retire
before training camp. That is the bottom line. Now, the great thing is that after we trade him and he is bought out, he could decide to come back to Boston for a minimum deal. He could do so at the start of the season or after the All-star break.
But either way, something has to be done before training camp. I think Sheed’s deal will be in a multi-team (3-4) team deal that nets us at least one piece if not two. Although, I still favor Sheed for Josh Howard straight up.
Now, if we could get Okafor for Shrek and Sheed, then I would do it. I would do it for Perk and Sheed as well.
No he doesn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sheed does not have to retire. There is no requirement for him to officially retire. However, his salary would count against the salary cap and he would take up a roster spot. The Celtics would suspend him, until he shows up or his contract expires in 2 years. They wouldn’t have to pay him, and I would think that if he didn’t play all season that after the season his salary would be subtracted from our cap, meaning they wouldn’t have to pay the luxury tax on his salary. But I’m not sure about that.
He's said
That he plans to retire once the Celtics trade him. Just listen to what Danny has said all along.
by superluminal on Jul 23, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Birdman
I don’t think this is true. Think of J-will 2 years ago retired during training camp. Hewanted to come back and play for a contender by the playoff roster deadline, I was hoping the celtics would get him instead of Marbury, but the league would not let him back in, he had to wait a year.
Now if this is not true and he can just be plain and simply bought out and return to us 30 days later than I am quite all for it. He would be able to have a midseason vacation when perk returns and gets into game shape, then turn it back on for post season.
Shelving the hope or the endless discussion might be best but if we can get a Josh Howard, Delonte West, Rudy Fernandez or Shane Battier with his contract we should do it. I like Howard much more since quisy is back figuring to keep them both happy and motivated, but I like any of those.
by Warrior Spirit on Jul 23, 2010 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How do the Celtics keep their heads above water with this roster before Perk gets back?
This team will (at best) be a .500 team until then.
In addition to not having enough cap room to sign players...
Im wondering if most of the quality players who are available dont want to come to Boston.
You're right
All of the players that feel like they are worth more than the vet minimum we can give them apparently want to go somewhere that can pay them more. No doubt about it.
It's the truth
I don’t know what else you expect or want to hear. Would it be great if players thought so highly of our franchise that they left millions of dollars on the table just to have the opportunity to play for the mighty Boston Celtics? Of course. Is that even remotely likely? Not really.
Tell me something...
How is it that a team such as the Lakers, win the world championship, and continue to sign quality players? They have gotten even better and while the C’s have only tried to stay afloat. While they may not be voicing their concerns on this site, a lot of fans are anxious about next season. Money was spent where it didnt have to be. That is the truth.
OK
Please explain to me where money was spent by the organization this offseason that didn’t need to be spent?
The Lakers used their MLE on two players – Blake and Barnes whereas we used our MLE on one – Jermaine O’Neal because we needed someone to replace Perkins and Wallace. The Lakers had no such need. the only other player L.A. has added is a 37 year old corpse in the name of Theo Ratliff.
If we did not resign Robinson or Daniels then they would have to be replaced with vet minimum players because of the salary cap. The likelihood of finding anyone better for vet minimum is nearly impossible.
They could have chosen not to resign Pierce or Allen but doing so would not have put us under the cap and again, they would have to have been replaced with vet minimum players. The likelihood of finding suitable replacements for vet minimum is nonexistent.
You should really take some time to educate yourself about the salary cap and how it works before you continue making ridiculous assertions about how poorly our offseason has been.
Stop making excuses 'king Coebra'
This team only has one big man on it. Does it now??
Or is this just a ‘ridiculous assertion’? (lol)
Maybe you actually work for DA and are attempting to do some damage control.
DA has yet to address what this team lacked last season….rebounding, hello! Why dont you educated YOURSELF on what it a team to be competitive. Put down your pom poms and face reality.
Let's do this
Please tell me who you think Boston should have signed this offseason and then I will explain why it is impossible to have brought that guy in.
Lol, you are full of it, King
I have a better idea…tell me who is going to come of the bench for your boy JO? Go ahead..give me a name.
Do you just not care?
I’m being completely serious. You clearly do not understand how the salary cap works. I am willing to take specific examples and explain to you why we were unable to sign that player to help you better understand how the salary cap works. If you haven’t read my fanpost about this very topic please do so. It should help you understand why we don’t have any money to sign any big name free agents.
http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/7/16/1574080/reality-and-the-salary-cap
As for your question regarding JOs backup, with our current roster JOs backup would be Davis and Erden. Perkins is hurt and Rasheed may be retiring. If Rasheed returns he becomes the backup. If he does not then the C’s will be looking to move his contract to fill that void. Otherwise we will be signing another vet minimum big man to fill out the roster because by the rules of the CBA which the teams in the NBA must adhere to, Boston is not allowed to pay any more than that right now based on our current situation.
"Otherwise we will be signing another vet minimum big man to fill out the roster "
Bingo! This is what the team needs the most…BEFORE opening night. Glenn Davis is NOT a center. You have no idea what Erden is or is not capable of. So…you seem to have all the answers… who is this big man be that will suffice? Go ahead, Im ALL EARS.
How could I possibly know that?
I completely agree that the C’s need more depth. There isn’t a team in the league that does not. It would be great if we could add a Dwight Howard or a Pau Gasol. I would have loved to have been able to bring in a David Lee. Unfortunately we do not have the cap room to do so.
Danny Ainge does not have the ability to bring in a big name player. He can offer vet minimum and he can offer Sheed’s contract. I don’t have a crystal ball.
I guess I don’t understand what you want out of me. I can’t magically create cap space. I can’t force star players to sign with Boston for the vet minimum. I can’t force the league to alter the CBA to fit our needs. And neither can Danny Ainge.
I’m not going to abandon the team and belittle a GM whose actions over the past few seasons directly led to two Eastern Conference crowns and one NBA title.
Evidently you think this year’s edition of the Celtics has no chance of competing next year and you are certainly entitled to that opinion. Fair enough.
What do I want from you?
Absolutely nothing. You jumped down my throat when I stated that this team desparately needs more length and depth. You initiated all of this. It is what it is…This team is in dire needs of solid bigs. that’s it.
Dont be so dramatic. Peace.
You've made yourself quite clear
In your own minds eye
1. The team has no serviceable big men.
2. Danny Ainge is a failure for not improving the roster
3. The Celtics have no chance of competing next year
Does that about sum it up? Since Ainge is so clueless, please explain who you think the Celtics should sign to fill this hole?
yup thenation
You’ll be challenged on what you say around here. You’ll be given facts and get accused of distorting the truth. They will initiate… It wouldnt matter that you formed your own opinion and that you have your own beliefs and convictions about the moves, signings, etc… They would say, you’re wrong and they are rigth coz apparently they are basing it on facts…. Last time I checked, my opinion isnt necessarily the same with others, wrong or right…
Opinions aren't wrong...
But opinions based on misinformation are useless. It’s one thing to have an opinion or belief about something, and it’s another to base that opinion or belief on things that are impossible or only very remotely possible. The former are fine. The latter will be challenged.
Get used to it.
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh i am. Misinformation? And what makes those who challenge so informed, I’d like to assume that majority of the information they are getting comes from the same source everyone is getting from. The INTERNET, yeah very accurate and updated. !! But to say one opinion is wrong or right or is baseless or belief on the impossible is absurd!!
Some opinions are based on better information than others....
Opinions based on bad information aren’t very useful. That’s all I am saying. Yes, we are all getting our information from the internet. Some of it is good, some of it is bad. That is where we use our intelligence to determine which is which.
There are two main mistakes people make on these boards. The first is not understanding how the cap works. When that happens, people often present opinions about deals that cannot possibly happen. That’s not helpful, generally.
The second mistake is not understanding that a trade has to be beneficial to ALL the teams involved. Many people up here present trade proposals that are so ridiculously one-sided in favor of the C’s, you have to ask: Why would the other team do that?
Now of course, NOTHING is impossible. But some things are definitely MORE possible than others. I don’t mind if a person says that they think the C’s should get, say, LeBron James. People can explain why that’s not very likely, and that’s about it. What’s MORE annoying, though, are the posts that go like this: “Danny Ainge is a bad GM because he should have gotten LeBron James.” Now I have to say YOUR posts are more like the latter, than the former, which, along with your seemigly more combative nature, is why they draw more challenges. Those posts tend to try to blame DA for things that aren’t really under his control.
Now, if there are decisions that he made that put him in this situation where he has little control, then sure, complain about that. If you think he shouldn’t have brought in KG because KG’s contract is hampering his ability to revamp the team TODAY, then fine, say that. I’d disagree that it was a bad move, as would most people who LIKED the fact that the C’s won in 2008, but at least you are criticizing him for something that is UNDER HIS CONTROL.
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 26, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow! Now Im convinced that you are attempting damage control.
King Coebra, please tell me that you are atleast getting paid for your efforts.
I don't get this attitude
He’s just explaining that the team has to work within certain rules.
You seem to keep saying DA should be doing more – but what, exactly is it do you think DA should be doing that he is not?
Be specific. Saying that he must get us a top-quality big man or a great out-side shooting wing or whatever is vague. What specific player do you think he should (even should HAVE) gotten?
Being vague and just saying he should be doing more doesn’t mean anything.
Answer me this question mmmm
Who will be backing up JO? Thats all I want to know.
um... i'll assume that is rhetorical
because it is very clear that the answer right now would be Erden and that the answer by the start of the season might be different, depending on any remaining moves made to sign someone with the vet minimum or by moving Sheed’s contract.
But you knew all that. It has been repeated many times. So that was clearly a rhetorical question. Now, being a rhetorical question, that means that the question is really intended to make a statement – not a question.
So, what we are trying to figure out is – just what statement is it that you are trying to make?
That, on my part is NOT a rhetorical question. It would be nice if you answered it.
Neither were my questions above – could you answer those?
I couldnt agree with you more
I have thought about that myself. Apparently, the C’s have managed enough to play within the CBA rules and what was presented to them in this current FAgency. Money was spent where it didnt have to be. AMEN!!
"You should really take some time to educate yourself about the salary cap and how it works before you continue making ridiculous assertions about how poorly our offseason has been."
Why dont you tell that to Paul Pierce himself. Good luck with that.
OK
If you believe that Paul Pierce knows more about the salary cap than Danny Ainge or any of the other executives who have made it their life’s work to understand the business side of the game, then, clearly I am wasting my time with you. You clearly live in a make believe fantasy land whereby the C’s can bring in or afford absolutely anyone that they want. To make matters worse you base that ridiculous premise on an out of text quote made off the cuff by an NBA player whose business it is to play basketball and not put together a roster under the very real restraints of the current CBA.
I'm taking my ball home and not gonna play! Poo poo on yous!
Now THAT makes for a rational, mature discussion.
How about answering a very simple question...
who will be backing up JO?
LMAO!!! I know
I’m sure PAUL PIERCE will listen to them about how the salary space work and all that… I think I read somewhere that they said, PIERCE doesnt know what he’s talking about. LOL Well, he’s the one with the MVP and the ring, I think I’m more inclined to listen to him more than mmmm, mcpkl or king coebra
Imagine being Paul Pierce and you’re so competitive and you want a team around you coz you want the ring so badly and you have to sit down and listen to DA saying what King Coebra just explained…. I’d be dude, wtf… I dont care about these excuses and that you did your best, go out there and get me some players that will actually help and not just SETTLE!!! You said it right, how in the world the LAKERS have managed to become stronger while the C’s are just being ok with staying afloat.. Dont you think it’s because of excuses like that?? lol
Imagine
Showing up to a website on your very first day and admitting you know nothing about the salary cap or how the leagues financial side of things even work. Then imagine lambasting the GM of one of the most successful teams in the history of the league for his offseason moves without having the slightest idea of why he made such moves under the constraints of the CBA. Imagine vilifying said GM for having the gall to sign two injury prone good for nothings such as Jermaine O’Neal and Marquis Daniels while with your very next post condemning the same man for being so utterly foolish as to not resign an even more injury prone and less versatile player in the form of Tony Allen.
Imagine throwing out name after name of players that you just know would have been better without taking any time to verify what kind of contract they have already signed, whether or not they were still available, only to find out that most are still available and the large majority of the ones that aren’t have been signed to contracts the Celtics could not afford based on the very real rules of the NBA CBA.
Imagine claiming you are stating opinions that you then you attempt to support with unchecked and wholly inaccurate information. Can you even believe that someone would have the nerve to check the supposed “facts” you have erroneously provided and then the gall to actually post accurate and verifiable facts in response to your imaginary “fact based opinions” so that others on the site don’t in turn then make fools of themselves by reciting the same inaccurate information that you wrongly provided to support your “opinion”.
Then imagine being so upset that you have to lash out at everyone who had the nerve to point out the misinformation you have provided in a civil manner.
Or in your case. Don’t imagine.
by King Coebra on Jul 25, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
C's need another center off the bench....
I think that is clear.
I think the best move would be for the C’s to sign another center to a minimum contract (Shaq would be great) to buy them time …to wait for the best trade option to come up to trade Sheeds contract.
If we have Shaq on board or another competent big man to buy the C’s time (even until the February trade deadline if the C’s have to wait for a good deal) it would put them in the strongest position to get the best for Sheeds contract.
Also maybe by mid season Rasheed will change his mind and want to play with the C’s again for the stretch run.
So maybe Rasheeds contract will not be resolved for awhile…which may be better for the C’s in the long run.
I suspect the earliest Sheed's contract will come into play will be right before camp
when the last roster slots get filled up by all the teams.
And even then, Danny may end up deciding to hold on to it into the season if he projects that he’ll get more value from it later on, based on how he thinks certain team’s seasons might play out.
Getting another center would be very nice.
“a must, before camp?” Nope. I don’t agree.
Before we get too far gone in the season? Yes – THAT becomes a “must”.
But no, we don’t absolutely HAVE to have ‘another center’ before camp. We have bodies to practice with in camp and could even start the season with just BBD & Erden backing up JO.
Nothing precludes us from making a move after camp or even after the start of the season to secure another center.
But we absolutely positively MUST address it before the season gets too far gone. But there is no magic marker drawn across the start of training camp.
The Lakers have had a worse offseason than the Celtics
At least we signed someone who’s a rotation big.
Blake and Fisher are pretty much the same player, and it isn’t a very good player. They’ll make about 9 million this year. The only plus tool Matt Barnes has is his mouth. I don’t see how he even gets on the floor this year.
If I like anything they did, it’s nabbing Caracter with a second round selection. But like Barnes, he’ll never even be on the floor.
Spare me the Lakers have improved talk when their point guards belong at a rec league.
by superluminal on Jul 23, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't know where you play....
But that would be a pretty good rec league….
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff...
… is having a worse offseason than the Celtics? When we were trying land Barnes ourselves, and we need a backup big for 10 minutes a game?
Their not-good point guards didn’t keep them from winning another title.
Trade Idea for Sheed's contract
Trade BBD, Tony Gaffney, Oliver Lafeyette & Sheed’s contract to Indiana for Troy Murphy. He averaged 15 points, 10 rebounds last year. Indiana is 10 million over the cap and needs cap space.
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