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Marquis Daniels: Take Two

Let's flash back to October of last year. The Celtics are in the middle of training camp, preparing for the 2009-2010 season. Here are Doc Rivers's thoughts on newcomer Marquis Daniels:

"Of all the guys who guarded Paul (Pierce), I thought he did one of the best jobs," said Rivers.

"High basketball IQ, multidimensional," Rivers said. "I mean, he can do so many different things. He can play the 2 and 3 for us. And he may be our best defender at the 1, 2 and 3. Rondo is the best (guarding point guards), but he's right behind him.

"I didn't like coaching against him. And when you don't like coaching against a guy, you try to get him."

At the time, it was encouraging to hear such positive things about one of the Celtics' major offseason additions, as he seemed to be living up to the expectations that had been thrust upon him after posting one of his better statistical seasons the year before while playing with the Indiana Pacers, with career highs in points (13.6), minutes (31.5), and rebounds (4.6). 

Daniels helped the Celtics to a 16-4 record through their first 20 games, before a torn ligament in his left thumb forced him to undergo surgery that sidelined him until February 7.

Star-divide

When he did return, he seemed to blend right back in, as, over the course of his first nine games back, he averaged a shade under 10 points per game. It appeared as though he had fully recovered from the thumb injury, and was back on track in terms of helping the Celtics turn around what was becoming a mediocre regular season. He garnered the following praise from Doc following a loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers on February 25:

"He's one of the best cutters in the league, top five," said Rivers. "And you always have to account for him on the glass. He also has the ability for us to say, 'Why don't you just try to stop [the best team's opposing player]. You don't have to help as much, and that makes our defense better."

Strangely, Daniels's downfall occurred weeks after returning from the injury, as he didn't see a dramatic dropoff in minutes until March 24, when the Celtics bested the Denver Nuggets at home, 113-99. Daniels was forced to the bench early in that contest due to foul trouble, and Tony Allen stepped in to fill the void, putting in a 13-point performance on 5-6 shooting. 

For the remainder of the regular season, Daniels averaged a mere 8.1 minutes per game, while Allen went on to average over 12 per contest. It seemed, at the time, that Allen was being given the edge largely due to the onslaught of energy he brought to the game whenever he took the court, but Daniels could have been suffering from some longstanding side effects from the thumb injury, or some other undisclosed issue that we'll never know about.

 Regardless of why, Daniels fell off the radar, but everything he was before last season he should still be capable of being. Assuming his left thumb is fully healed, who's to say he can't step in next season and effectively backup Paul Pierce and Ray Allen? With Nate Robinson back in the fold, Daniels most likely won't need to worry about the backup point guard duties, meaning he'll be able to focus more on the role of backup wing defender and slasher, especially now that Tony Allen is out of the equation. 

Heading into last season Doc claimed Daniels could be one of the team's best defenders. With all reports indicating he's now healthy, why can't the same be true for Daniels this coming season? Doc claimed Daniels was one of the league's best cutters, and there's no reason to think he can't earn that status once again this season. Given the thin supply of quality wing players available in free agency, had last season never happened, Daniels might have very well sat atop any lists that have already been comprised. 

The main reason Daniels didn't garner strong consideration for a do-over at the start of the offseason was because he was such a non-factor late in the season and in the postseason. But, when you factor in his thumb injury, and Tony Allen's surprising play, that lack of confidence in Daniels deteriorates somewhat. 

With all of this said, there are still overlapping concerns regarding the state of Daniels's durability. In his seven seasons in the league he has yet to play a full 82-game schedule, with 74 being his career-high in games played. I apologize for not respecting the whole "eighth time's a charm" mantra. 

Despite the obvious health concerns, re-signing Daniels seems like a necessary gamble for the C's. He rejoins the team with a pretty low price tag, while filling a specific, and vital, need for the team, making him yet another example of a "low risk, high reward" type of player. All we can do is hope for better results this time around. 

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Exactly...

Didn’t have an issue with the signing then…and I don’t now.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

he needs a mean streak, seriously

- if he was a loose cannon, a wild card, a live wire, an instigator, we’d really have something

he comes off as too passive -

he’s got the look, that’s for sure
and he can ball.

now he needs that attitude to go with it all and he’ll complete the package

i.e. rodman

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Jul 23, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being mean or tough is not the only way to be successful

I kind of like Daniels’ understated style. He gives nothing away in his attitude. He just goes out there and does what’s necessary. It’s kind of a sneaky style and it works.

by Surferdad on Jul 23, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

it works much better is he's durable which is another form of tough

right now the Lakers have the edge in toughness with both Barnes and Artest at the wing, their play will be physically punishing and I hope our guards can take the beating

by Banner 18 on Jul 23, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also remember what we thought of tony allen last offseason

No one really cared if he was resigned or not. Lets hope Daniels bounces back and proves us all wrong.

by beantownboy171 on Jul 23, 2010 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope he lives up to the praise Doc is showering regarding his defense

because in my limited viewing of him he doesn’t seem like a good defender.

by Surferdad on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

he probably beats most of what’s out there at his price. he was sort of fragile last year and somewhat disspirited at the end of the year. quis, we need some pop from you this year, tho you were not a very good jump shooter or free throw man.

by nazzbo on Jul 23, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Even when he was playing well

he was more of a finesse player rather than an energy/ good defense type guy

by calc on Jul 23, 2010 3:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

he was effective

When he healthy and on the floor, the team’s efficiencies were generally very good.

by mmmmm on Jul 23, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's short $...

…and if you factor that it’s a 1 yr deal (i.e. expiring contract) he becomes trade bait (along with Wallace’s contract) at the trade deadline in February if things don’t work out. I also think that he was a big reason for the Celtics’ good start last season, as he was a good contributor off the bench. What happened after the injury is well chronicled in Greg’s post. In addition, i don’t think that Doc fully exploited his offensive capabilities before the injury. He creates a lot of match-up problems that we can take advantage of with his PG like skills, post-ups, slashing capabilities, and mid-range game.

Doc may indeed would’ve exploited this had he not got injured, but we’ll never know.

I’m glad he’s back…he’s got good size, good skills, and he’s a strong defender. He may not be the lights out SG off the bench that everyone seems to be looking for, but he definitely fills a need.

- JoeB

by joeb on Jul 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Interestingly he was best last year when subbing for Pierce

When he subbed in with the starters in place of Pierce at SF, he was expected to slash to the hoop – which is his best scoring skill – and yet still had enough of a jumper to keep defenses from collapsing (like they did when TA came in the same slot). His speed worked well with Rondo & Ray.

So overall, our 5 man unit of RR+RA+MD+KG+KP was almost as effective as our regular starting unit.

by mmmmm on Jul 23, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're reaching...

Daniels as one of the leagues best defenders and cutters seems like a pretty big stretch! However, just having him as a serviceable back up to Pierce would be sufficient for us to make a nice deep playoff run

by D-Funnk on Jul 23, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Doc's reaching?

From what I just read the majority of high praise came directly from Doc.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every team talks up their new acquisition

Hell, DA was talking up Telfair after we got him. Grain of salt and all.

by Mencius on Jul 23, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I just was stating that the majority of quotes in the original piece came directly from the coach and not from the originator of the post – Greg.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great cutter yes, defender.... no

I’m not keen on the signing, but I agree he’s a great cutter. He gets the ball in great position to drive to the hoop. He doesn’t always finish, but he’s there.

Speaking of cutters, hope Nate gains more confidence going to the hoop. He misses too many reverse lay-ups or they get blocked. Maybe he needs to go into slam dunk mode when driving to the hoop.

by Alleyoopster on Jul 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a lot of guys, in a lot of instances, it's just a matter of timing.

At the end of last season, for whatever reason, it became Tony Allen’s moment in the sun, and not Daniels’. There’s no reason why it can’t be Daniels this time around.

by no kidding on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

It's all about health with Marquis

If he plays 70 or more games he’ll be a bargain. If he’s sitting the on bench we’ll be scrambling for another wing.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jul 23, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Odds on either of those are probably around 50/50.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Jul 23, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a gamble,

It was a transitional year for Daniels,

Sometimes coming over to a new team, new role, can have a negative effect. Especially when coming from a team like Indiana where he had so many touches, always involved, and was in the flow of the game, you come to Boston and your role completely changes. Your asked to come off the bench and in that short time be able to provide a spark for the team. it’s not easy and it was something he was/wasn’t capable of adapting to.

Maybe coming back for a second chance, may prove this was a very good signing. Doc may have no choice but to lean more on him to provice scoring, defense, and rebounding. Also the guys on the team will have a better feel for his game as well

So I look at this as a blessing in disguise. It will benefit both the player and the team

by Ancient Red on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, not so much.

These guys are NBA players. The best basketball players in the world. It’s as simple as being able to put the ball in the basket with the touches you do get. To say someone had bad year because he was on a new team with a new role, I’m just not buying it. Lets just hope things go better this year and he stays healthy. I’m not crazy about this signing, but I guess it’s better then nada.

by PaFish on Jul 23, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's fragile

like a China doll. He simply isn’t equipped to weather the full wear and tear of an 82 game season. He looks like a zombie of the Flood in Halo. He will corrupt us.

by superluminal on Jul 23, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Fixed role should help

Last year he was a backup for Rondo, Pierce, Allen. He was going to be the ball handler when Eddie House was playing.

This year he will primarily backup up Pierce (and maybe Allen depending on how quickly Bradley comes on). He can focus on defense and cutting without the ball on offense. I think this will make his offense much better and hopefully it will allow him to focus on defense.

Clearly he needs to stay healthy

by rqk on Jul 23, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Too much ganja

I think he was hanging too much with Josh Howard and Beasley. Maybe some self-medicating to cope with the thumb…

by Celtico on Jul 23, 2010 4:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He looked great...

…in preseason last year. He could get to the basket whenever he wanted. I hope he has a better year this year and gets involved in the team chemistry.

by Raef on Jul 23, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Correct

We had Daniels non-Bird rights because he was on our roster last season. Under the CBA that means that we could resign him for up to 120% of last seasons contract.

We did not have the same rights to Barnes as he played for Orlando last year. Under the rules of the CBA we could only offer him a vet minimum contract of slightly more than $1M.

The Lakers are also over the cap but did not use all of their MLE yet. Because of that they were able to offer him ~$1.7M per season.

Barnes decided to take the additional cash. Nothing the Celtics can do about that. They did not have anything else to offer him.

by King Coebra on Jul 23, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - I don't believe the Celtics are at all unwilling to spend

they have made a freaking boat load of $$ these last few playoff years and have money to burn on the luxury tax.

But the rules is da rules and they literally can only spend what the CBA will let them spend.

by mmmmm on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main reason Daniels didn’t garner strong consideration for a do-over at the start of the offseason was because he was such a non-factor late in the season and in the postseason. But, when you factor in his thumb injury, and Tony Allen’s surprising play, that lack of confidence in Daniels deteriorates somewhat.

by Papatrichs on Jul 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

i like daniels

i think he will suprise many people and he as the ability to be a 6th man. if he stays healthy and accepts his role, he could be a very nice sign.

If daniels can perforn well at the wing than we dont have to find another one and maybe sheed can comeback and play center while waiting for perk. when perk gets back we can have a 5 man rotation with the bigs

by celticcrazy on Jul 23, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I like him too

What I saw last preseason and at the beginning of last season impressed me on both defense and in a terrific court awareness and uncanny way to get to the hoop among the trees. He lost all his rhythm and his ball handling touch when he returned from his thumb injury. Probably not surprising with the subtle touch he uses in the way he operates offensively.

When Doc was talking early in the season last year about striving to be an all-time best defensive team, it was with observations he made in preseason that included what Daniels could do on defense. I thought he fit in very well on defense before the injury.

He seemed very happy with his bench role at the beginning of last year and we read that his teammates like him a lot. If his thumb is good so he can do what he did early last season, he could be a big help.

by SteveZ from Edgemont on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

well i bet you he wont play more than 50 games watch smdh

by KyleChristian15 on Jul 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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