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Guilty Pleasure Player: Gerald Green, Part 1

Over the course of the next week or two, CelticsBlog will run a new series entitled "The Guilty Pleasure Player Series". Here's how ajgoodman described a Guilty Pleasure Player in the forums:

We all have one. That player or those players that we love uncoditionally, no matter what they did.
Maybe you're the only one who doesn't think they stink. Maybe you even know they stink, but love them anyway? A guilty pleasure player persay. You're pacifier of the past or the present Celtics.

CelticsBlog's writing staff will discuss a number of players, both past and present, over the course of this series. Up first: Gerald Green.

Paul Pierce has already been cemented as my favorite basketball player of all time. It was a done deal years before the Celtics won everything back in 2008. I grew up watching Pierce, went through the highs and lows with him as my team's star, and along the way I developed an unmatched appreciation for the type of player Pierce is: The glorified, multi-dimensional, athletic swingman, capable of scoring at will. In my opinion, this type of player is the most exciting the NBA has to offer (Rajon Rondo has since helped to re-shape my opinion on the matter).

So, when the Celtics drafted Gerald Green with the 18th overall pick in the 2005 NBA draft, I was...shall we say...ecstatic. I was a sophomore in high school at the time, and if you were looking for an objective Celtics fan, I was the last guy you wanted to turn to. In all honesty, the name Gerald Green meant little to me when David Stern announced his name. But, when the descriptions began rolling in and the YouTube videos were viewed, I immediately got way too far ahead of myself and labeled him as "The Next Paul Pierce". Surely, without any doubt, Gerald would slowly work his way into the lineup, learn under Pierce, and inevitably replace him upon Pierce's retirement. That was just how it was going to go. I had, of course, decided all of this within 10 minutes of Green being drafted. 

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YouTube exposed me to the freakish athleticism Green possessed, along with the potentially lethal jump shot. At the time, that was all I cared about. He was 6'8, could shoot, and probably could have leaped over me with two of my buddies stacked on my shoulders. What else did he need? In my green-tinted mind, Gerald was cast in the mold of a Pierce, a Tracy McGrady or a Kobe Bryant, and he would be just as great, if not better than, all three of them. Opposing players wouldn't be able to guard him, and opposing defenses as a whole wouldn't be able to contain him. Gerald had, within him, a wealth of unmatched potential, and when it was realized, we would be in for something special. Little did I know that five years later, we'd still be waiting for that potential to turn into something more. 

Gerald was a member of the Boston Celtics for two full seasons. He played in just 32 games during his rookie campaign, and averaged a mere 5.2 points per game. Nevertheless, despite the unimpressive stats, the flashes of brilliance were there, and I found myself convinced that all Gerald needed was significant playing time to flourish. 

During his second tour of duty with the C's, Gerald participated in 81 of the team's 82 games, started 26 of those games, and doubled his scoring average with a 10.4 points per game mark. 

The two seasons, in all honesty, are a blur. I remember certain moments of Gerald's better than others, but I will admit that my memory fails me when it comes time to remember which season they occurred in. 

The one moment that I still regard above all others - the move that completely sold me on Gerald Green - came against the Detroit Pistons. To reiterate, I do not remember which season the game occurred in, and I can't even tell you whether the Celtics won or lost. But during the game, Gerald found himself with the ball far out on the right wing, four or five feet behind the three-point line. He was being guarded pretty tightly, and the shot clock was winding down. He crossed over to his right, couldn't get by his man, and had to resort to a nearly impossible fadeaway three-pointer. The ball left his hands, arced up perfectly, and fell through the net. My jaw dropped, mainly because it wasn't the type of desperation heave most players would have attempted in such a situation. It was a legitimate fading jump shot that looked completely effortless. It was ridiculously Kobe-esque, and I am not lying when I say that just a week ago I was discussing Green with a buddy of mine and referred to this specific shot as "one that only Kobe could have hit." 

There's something special, and almost indescribable, about those players who are capable of getting their own shot off against any one at any time. Typically, in the case of the swingmen like Pierce and Bryant, they use great footwork and athleticism to create space between their defender, before, more often than not, relying on a very reliable step back jump shot. The mid-range games of these specific players are usually very well developed, and their ability to knock down vastly difficult shots is one of the more attractive parts of their respective games. 

Well, in the two seasons Gerald played with Boston, we saw multiple flashes of these abilities. We needed to see them on a more consistent basis however, which was difficult, considering Gerald played an inconsistent number of minutes. For me, I wanted Gerald to play every single second of every single game. I not only wanted to see the rim-rattling in-game dunks, but, more importantly, the mid-range jump shots and aggressive drives to the hoop. I've always been a fan of Doc Rivers, but even I grew frustrated at times by Gerald's lack of playing time. Again, I was a naive high schooler who turned a blind eye to Green's inability to play reliable defense, his spotty ball handling, and lack of a knack for making his teammates better. I was just focused on Gerald doing exciting things, like scoring and dunking.

I remember a game against the Milwaukee Bucks, and growing infinitely more excited as soon as Gerald checked into the action. It was at a point in time where, for a young player like Gerald, and a young fan like myself, every bucket of his seemed to matter. I instinctively had the Gerald Green Point Tracker geared up in my head, and, as usual, I was hoping it would rise up to at least 20, if not more. I remember his first bucket coming on a jumper off of a cut to the free throw line. His form was great, and, as usual, the effort looked quite effortless. Mere minutes later, Gerald scored again, on a shot almost identical to the one before it. I distinctly remember thinking he had just garnered more playing time with those two buckets. Instead, the unthinkable happened, as Doc yanked him mere moments later. Gerald returned to the bench, and I found myself engulfed in a wave of hatred aimed at Doc (I overreacted). 

Perhaps strangely, it was Gerald's collection of mid-range jump shots that excited me more than his gravity-defying dunks. His jump shots served as proof that he might be able to make it as a legitimate player. 98 percent of NBA players can dunk the ball, but very few have the ability to serve as a go-to guy who's capable of creating his own offense on the spot. 

The dunks were fun, though. And there were many of them. There was the game against the Toronto Raptors his rookie season, when, with the outcome already determined (in the Celtics's favor), Tony Allen and Gerald found themselves alone on a fast break with mere seconds left, and Tony threw a pass high off the backboard, which Gerald snared with his right hand after leaping into the air and threw it down with authority. In my humble opinion, it still ranks as the greatest in-game alley-oop I've ever seen. The dunk itself, though, drew some criticism from Toronto's TV guys:

Mere weeks later, Gerald once again buried the Raptors with a last-second showoff dunk. With the Celtics leading 122-120 with less than 10 seconds left, Gerald once again took a Tony Allen pass in the open court, and, with a clear lane to the hoop, had the chance to ice the game with a simple layup, or, at the very least, a pedestrian two-handed slam. But no, those options weren't good enough. Instead, Gerald drove, skied, and threw down a thunderous windmill, leading Tommy Heinsohn to proclaim: "I wonder if Chuck (Toronto's TV guy) got upset there!" It was a risky dunk, for, if he had blown it, Gerald would have surely drawn the ire of Doc. But, he converted it, and it turned into one of those "Ohhhhhhhhhh!" moments that I still reflect on from time to time:

Check back later this afternoon for Part 2, where I'll touch on the dunk contest Gerald won, the one he lost, and his eventual exit from the NBA. 

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Wow

That’s gotta be the most ink Gerald Green has had since…ever.

by Raef on Jul 27, 2010 7:54 AM EDT reply actions  

…most "characters" -

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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

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Wow

That’s gotta be the most ink Gerald Green has had since…ever.

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by sdfgyg on Jul 29, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about a series on players whose games are unconditionally loathed?

Oops. You’ve already got the guy who’s tops on my list.

Low basketball IQs drive me nuts.

by CoachBo on Jul 27, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

My Loathe Candidates

Mark Blount (player)
Rick Pitino (coach)

by 1sport1team on Jul 27, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last 10 years, I might also add...

Vin Baker…Telfair…Olowokandi…Kedrick Brown…Joseph Forte…Chris Herren…Marcus Banks

by Title 18 on Jul 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i still say the cupcake dunk was the best ever -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j80W_VoYjw

any time you incorporate a pastry, AND fire into a dunk – well…

Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Jul 27, 2010 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Well BigRedDog42

You still have a chance to drool over Walker; Gerald got a chance in Boston, Minnesota and Dallas; Billy walker never got a chance here, his first opportunity has come with the Knicks and I don’t think his story is over. I believe he will find a roll in the NBA.

by Little D on Jul 27, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Dunks can lure you but this guy was a fringer player at best. A souped up Harold Miner.

by Celtics4ever on Jul 27, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Wonder if Green still has that 48 inch vertical leap?

As he currently “chases-a-dollar” while playing in Russia.

by Title 18 on Jul 27, 2010 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

man, if green had any bball iq

he’d be, at worst, a solid starter, and maybe a star. the dude could should, could drive, could finish…but had no idea how to play defense, how to move on offense…fatal flaws. in the end, those guys never make it, because they hurt you more than they help you most of the time.

by guy incognito on Jul 27, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

My last minds-eye recollection of Gerald

came after he was traded and the Wolves came to Boston for a game.

Gerald was standing over on the right side of the court, guarding no one as the C’s worked their offense. He seemed out of place, lost without a clue as to what he should be doing. So he did nothing.

We scored and Tommy commented that that last sequence was exactly the reason the Celtics were willing to let him go. He was still clueless after more than two years in the NBA.

As someone wiser than me said, “Body by Ferrari, brain by Mattel.”

by GetYourSoxOn on Jul 27, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Everybody on Green's Celtics team was clueless defensively.

Rivers didn’t teach anybody defense while Green was a Celtic.

The whole team was pathetic and clueless defensively.

A freaking embarassment. It was Rivers and his staff as much as it was Green and the players.

by Finkelskyhook on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

or .... maybe it was the players

Rivers has had success before then and since then with other players.

Occam’s Razor.

by mmmmm on Jul 27, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

eddie house

when’s your article on eddie house? now thats a player i’d like to see back.

by tmyvon on Jul 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

At least House has done something to be worth

a guilty pleasure. Gerald Green has never done anything of any substance in an NBA uniform. I have to think the we are starting from the bottom and going up.

Scals is next.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jul 27, 2010 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

My "guilty pleasure" player would have to be an undrafted college free agent.

I prefer pulling for someone who didn’t get many of the breaks. For instance, I felt bad when Brandon Wallace didn’t quite make it as an undrafted 6’9" small forward (who’d been forced to play center in college).

by no kidding on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

That why kids need to go to school

Doesn’t make sense for these kids coming out of High School, thinking they can just jump into the NBA and play a man’s game.

These kids need seasoning and to experience things in college, not just academics (which many of them pass on going) There not use to the social aspects or how to deal with handling finances.

by Ancient Red on Jul 27, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

another stink player we drafted smh

by KyleChristian15 on Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Are you saying Semih Erden stinks? A guy who hasn't even played in his first NBA game? And this has what to do with the topic?

I’d be sorry to trouble you for anything like a complete sentence. But it might be interesting to know what you’re trying to express here.

by no kidding on Jul 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

wtf aint nobody thinking about erden im talking gerald green..erden aint gonna do sh*t in the league either if u wanna talk about him

by KyleChristian15 on Jul 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

more than likely not but,

what does the smh (chat lingo I suppose) mean regarding drafted players? There are other teams that have drafted a few players that never go on to stardom like Rondo, fyi.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

 smh means “shaking my head” now before danny came we were 1 of the worst teams at drafting players.u talking about rondo we didnt even draft him he was traded to us from phoenix h*ll we were lucky to get him.. In 2001 we drafted k.brown,joe johnson,j.forte 2 of them aren’t even in the league could have r.jefferson, t.murphy,z.randolph, t.parker,g.arenas, m.okur,g.wallace no wonder why it took 18 yrs to win a title.. in 2005 we picked green over guys like monta ellis who we want now, david lee and andray blatche so dont tell me we know how to draft

by KyleChristian15 on Jul 27, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

more than likely not but,

what does the smh (chat lingo I suppose) mean regarding drafted players? There are other teams that have drafted a few players that never go on to stardom like Rondo, fyi.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green is the poster child for going to college

The NBA is a tough place to learn how to play basketball no matter how physically gifted you are. If he had gone to Oklahoma State and learned how to play defense and move without the ball, he would have made it in the NBA. The problem with going straight to the NBA is that you don’t get a chance to play and get better. It is a catch 22. You have to be good to get playing time. But you have to have playing time to be good. So, you better know how to play well enough to warrant playing time when you get there. If you are not good enough, you ride the bench for three years and have no skills to show for it or game to justify your contract. And then you are just another guy getting cut and going out of the league.

by John70 on Jul 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Antoine Walker

Ya, I said it. Don’t bash me ‘Toine haters, I just loved the guy. Played the game with passion. I remember when they traded to get him back from ATL during that playoff run in Doc’s early years. The passion the whole team played with starting with Toine’s first game back was tangible … that had me convinced that Toine was just a competitor … warts and all, he plain wanted to win. Also, remember his leadership during the 22 point comeback vs. NJ in the 2002 ECF? Sweet.

by libermaniac on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

toine was great

when he wanted to be. he couldve been alot better as he could play inside better than most just decided he’d reather try to make 3’s instead. it’s a shame

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice article Greg

Gerald Green – he never ‘got it’ – though he had it – talent/athleticism

Curious player. I’d love to have been in some of his practices with each team.

good summer topic, too!

by Tom Halzack on Jul 27, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Gerald Green, Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce

Damn it, we need Joe Johnson to complete the double initials collection!

Irresponsible I stand...

by LeoMoreno on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

looking back, it is hard to fault DA for drafting Green...

He was oozing with so much potential that he had Tracy Mcgrady wriiten all over him…and save for David Lee(who all 29 other teams passed anyways), there was not much players left on the board that DA could have taken… Who knew Monta Ellis would be 10x better than Green, And Andre Blatche who has schooled KG this passed season would be good players…oh its always so difficult to play the talent vs potential when drafting and all the coulda,shoulda, woulda’s always pop up 4 yrs. after they were all drafted, like Is Marcin Gortat the Lowest drafted player (57th) that earns more than anyone where they’re drafted?

"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."

by bopna on Jul 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Luckily....

my guilty pleasure player has ended up morphing into a superstar. I loved Rondo since the moment I first saw him play, but for the first year or so he struggled with being inconsistent and conceivably could have gone down a Gerald Green type road. But thats why Rajon has a brain and Gerald doesn’t, I suppose.

Anyway, its nice when your favorite player succeeds when the majority thought he wouldn’t.

by misterx2day on Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I was pretty high on Rondo too - but he's turned into one of

the best in the league. So, if I go with someone I liked from the start, didn’t get much playing time, disliked by half of the fans – but made up for it on the defensive end, it’s Tony Allen. Hmmm, maybe he doesn’t count either because he did end up playing significant minutes, but apparently not well enough for Ainge to sign him to a very small contract.

by eastie Rich on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i feel lucky

i guess i’m lucky in that i have been watching the c’s since the early 70’s so i have more to choose from as in favorite players. very good article, but pp as a favoritye, wow, doesn’t even crack my top five. i have to admit, i liked the green pick, but knew almost right away he was going to be a bust. his offensive game consisted of running down the floor to the corner beyond the 3-point line and waiting. ugh! i loved the rondo pick as well and defended him to many. this kid can score as he demo’d in high school while playing his senior year at, none other than, oak hill academy. read up on stats there, pretty darn impressive.

by boscel33 on Jul 27, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember

During the draft in which they got Green, once he fell all the way to their draft spot, a number of other teams started calling the Celtics wanting to trade for the rights to draft Green. I wonder what they could have gotten for him (although being part of the KG trade was not a bad trade either – from the Celtics point of view).

Like Greg mentioned about his shot being Kobe-esque, I told a friend that he could become our Kobe. Sadly he might have had similar athleticism but a far different IQ / mental approach.

by VtCeltics on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm so honored!

I almost pooped myself when I saw this on the front page.

by ajgoodman on Jul 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

In a manner of speaking, we trust.

by no kidding on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup..

the 18th overall pick. The 17th pick? Danny Granger.

"I've got a theory that if you give 100% all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end."
--- Larry Bird

by Army_of_One_Nation(Celtic's Nation) on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

You just have to make it worse, don’t you

by misterx2day on Jul 27, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I still remember watching draft night hoping that Granger slips one more spot.

"I've got a theory that if you give 100% all of the time, somehow things will work out in the end."
--- Larry Bird

by Army_of_One_Nation(Celtic's Nation) on Aug 3, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

david lee went 30th in that draft

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jul 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never Paid Much Attention..until now

I never really paid Gerald Green much attention…but the kid had just as much potential..as Wade James and Anthony..IDK, what happened to him…to be honest I didnt even know he was out of the NBA until i played a video game…maybe one of those NBA2K games…

by Jon Cutro on Jul 29, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions  

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