C's Sign Von Wafer
by Jeff Clark on Jul 29, 2010 6:44 PM EDT
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The Boston Celtics have signed Von Wafer to a one-year minimum deal, according to sources close to the situation.
In case you are unfamiliar with his game, Paul Flannery has the skinny:
Green Street » What Von Wafer does for the Celtics
Von Wafer is a 6-5 shooting guard who does one thing well: shoot 3-pointers, and according to Hoops World he will be doing it for the Celtics this season. Wafer made 39 percent of his 3’s with the Rockets in 2008-09 when he appeared in 63 games and played over 1,200 minutes. Wafer also made 45 percent of his 3’s in his one extended season in the Development league in 2007.
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not really a surprise
the media is off most of the time when it comes to free agency rumors.
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by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 29, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Why wafer?
He sucks, this is a bad bluff, right?
by Warrior Spirit on Jul 29, 2010 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You do not have the Warrior Spirit, but you know who does...
Von Wafer!
Goes to the Rim and he’s not afraid of the paint and he is an above average 3 pt shooter.
Rudy’s aksing price was too high and Danny didn’t feel comfortable with Delonte’s demand for a gun closet next to his locker :) so here’s the next best choice.
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They want actual assets for Rudy
We don’t really have any to spare right now except Rasheed’s contract, and Rudy’s not worth that.
by superluminal on Jul 29, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
they want first round picks
I think signing Wafer was a way to say take what we offered for Rudy or leave it, we are not desperate.
I still think...
Giving up (a 2012 1st-rounder) + ( bradley and/or second rounder )
would have been worth it for Rudy…
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
in 2012...
We will still be in the playoffs… meaning we’ll have a draft pick in the late 20’s or higher…
And you expect to get another rondo…..
Rudy will be better than anything available that late in the draft.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither Knicks or Boston has offered multiple 1st rounders....
That being said… Portland will realize the market value and choose between the two offers…
If we give up one 1st-rounder…. we should give up either bradley or a second-rounder to beat out the knicks offer….
Cause the knicks 1st-rounder will give a higher selection in the draft since they will not have the same record as us in 2012 barring any injuries.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradley is worth way more.
You could easily net Troy Murphy for Bradley right now. He’s twice the player Rudy Fernandez is and the Celtics already have plenty of guards.
by superluminal on Jul 29, 2010 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd Be Very Impressed if Bradley
Becomes the player Rudy was his rookie year…
Or even has 2/3’s the success Rudy had his rookie year.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree
mainly because there is no way in hell that Bradley gets those kinds of minutes as a rookie on THIS team.
Rudy got almost 26 minutes per game his rookie year. And he was 3 years older then than Bradley is now.
Bradley is going to be behind Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo on a team that hopes to contend for a championship during his rookie year. He’ll be lucky if he gets 15 minutes per game and that is probably optimistic. I’d guess closer to 10.
But that, doesn’t mean a damn thing as to who is more valuable in the long run to an organization. Bradley was touted as one of the top 2 players in the nation coming out of high school – and indeed rated #1 just above John Wall by many. He still has that potential. He is not even 20 years old!
DA has his own plans and depending on how his road-map plays out the next 5 years, Bradley could easily end up with far more impact down the road.
"Rudy will be better than anything available that late in the draft."
T. Allen, Powe, Davis, Rondo, Perk, Delonte were all selected after Bradley who was taken at #19; is Rudy any better than they were after three seasons? Danny has found talent at the back end of the draft so I wouldn’t just dismiss the idea outright. that his talent level can’t be found. You also have to remember that Rudy has had back surgery and he’s forcing a trade from a city of fans who loved him his first two years.
Never said perfect.
My point was that good talent is found late in the draft. Rudy was found late in the draft.
Yep.
I’d still like to get Rudy though and its possible that Danny can work something out with Cho that’s short of giving up that much.
Considering that the Celtics will be re-tooling practically the entire team post-2012, they are not going to give away 2 first rounders lightly. Giving up two first rounders for one Rudy with a questionable back – that doesn’t seem like the way to build that future team.
Rudy is talented, for sure. And he would be a great fit for what we are looking for right now. But we are looking mainly for a bench wing right now – why give up two guys who could potentially be starters 3 years from now for that?
I suspect that it won’t take 2 first rounders in the end to get Fernandez – whether he comes here or goes elsewhere.
Why would you give up two first round picks for Rudy?
That’s a steep price to pay for someone’s malcontent. I like the guy and want him, but if you offered two first rounders and sheeds contract to other teams, you may be able to pry away an all star.
How do you replace someone you never had
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by Birdbrain on Jul 29, 2010 7:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
not really very house-like in stature
He’s got decent length for a 2 guard at 6’ 5", 210 lbs.
His first to season were pretty much nothing, totally barely over 200 minutes with the Lakers, Clippers, Denver & Portland. He finally got some decent minutes (1225) in 2008-2009 and his stats were pretty decent. He went to Greece for 2009-10 and failed a physical needed to rejoin the Rockets, so missed all of last year.
Here are his 2008-2009 numbers:
FG% .447
3P% .390
TS% .541
eFG% .510
FT% .752
DRB 2.8 (per 36 minutes)
AST 2.1 (per 36)
STL 1.2 (per 36)
TOV 1.7 (per 36)
PTS 17.9 (per 36)
Not great, but not bad. He’s still fairly young – just turned 25).
From the bench, he should provide length to balance Nate and an outside shot to balance ‘Quis’ slashing game.
For the price – this is a very good find – assuming he passes his physical this time …
WHAT ABOUT DEFENSE....
When the bench is in… who is going to take the best offensive threat….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Baby so far can score on offense. Aside from that....
Doc’s strategy of leaving one of the Big 3 will be employed again with the current lineup C’s have.
I thought that was our problem...
Having to leave either Ray or Pierce in for extra minutes because we didn’t have a lengthy defender Doc could trust on both sides….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That's partly it
The guy he left in the most was Ray – and in large part that was because we didn’t have a 2nd 3PT shooter off the bench. We just had House (and later Nate). Our offense requires 2 perimeter threats in order to space the floor.
So Doc left Ray out there a ton. That finally changed after they picked up Finley so that Doc could put Nate & Finley on the floor.
Wafer potentially provides an additional 3PT threat off the bench that can help space the floor without having to have Ray or Paul out there all the time.
If he’s not a head case, of course.
Maybe not.
To start the year, I think you’re right. But if Wafer gets back to the 2009 form, and is able to keep his mouth shut, you absolutely could see a full line up of Nate/Wafer/Daniels/Baby/Erden it’s unlikely right now, but not out of the question is Wafer and Daniels get back to their two year ago abilities.
Obviously we’re hoping that Erden spot is taken up either by Sheed himself, or someone we bring in for Sheed’s contract. But as it stands right now, he’s the option for back-up Center. Come playoff time though, when Perk is back, and it’s either him, or JO coming off the bench, that bench has some serious potential.
From what I saw in summer league
I really think Erden will suck big time, if he makes the team at all. Granted, limited play on which to judge him, but for me, even a guy like Sims looked like he has more of a chance to be an NBA player. I just don’t think there’s any way Erden will be a rotation player. We shall see.
Time will tell.
Hard to judge much from a handful of Summer league games. Especially for a international league player who doesn’t speak english, and knows nothing about the NBA game or the Celtics system.
It’s one hell of an adjustment. He’s got some tools though, and definitely had the potential.
How is he regarded as a sharpshooter
He’s got career FG% of .412. Career 3pt % of .337.
Maybe you can chalk some of that to sporadic (and few) minutes he played most of his career. the one year he did get 19mpg, his avgs were .447 and .390. Not bad that year, though I’d hardly call him another House.
by Mencius on Jul 29, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what did House shoot last year?
His shot was gone all year, he might be done
The point was that Wafer was being lauded as an excellent shooter like House was
… and the stats don’t back that claim up, regardless of what House did last year. House is generally regarded as a sharpshooter (who nonetheless put up crappy numbers on a crappy NY team), but overall through his career, he was rightly known as a shooter.
You need to look at those numbers more carefully.
The FG% is actually pretty decent for someone who shoots almost exclusively from the perimeter. 30% of his shots are from beyond the arc and a huge chunk of the rest are also jump shots. You can’t expect players like that to have the same shooting percentages of someone like, say Perkins (60.2%).
Thus, his wieghted shooting percentages (‘True Shooting %’ and ’effectiveFG%) are both fairly decent (.541 & .510, respectively).
Further you should probably toss out his ‘career’ numbers since the first three years were spent getting tiny bits of garbage minutes scattered across 4 teams. His last full year in Houston, where he got regular playing time, his FG% was a healthy 44.7% and his 3P% was a very good 39%.
I’m not sure i"d call him a ‘sharpshooter’ but he at least looks like a competent outside shooter. The question will be, of course, how well he does everything else.
You can’t expect players like that to have the same shooting percentages of someone like, say Perkins (60.2%).
Wow. Talk about your false dichotomies.
Further you should probably toss out his ‘career’ numbers since the first three years were spent getting tiny bits of garbage minutes scattered across 4 teams. His last full year in Houston, where he got regular playing time, his FG% was a healthy 44.7% and his 3P% was a very good 39%.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I allowed in my first comment.
my bad
I just saw your last comment and blanked that you had also posted the above comment.
You did finish the first with “though I’d hardly call him another House” – which is interesting because, though Wafer really has only the one season to his credit, his percentages are all above House’s career averages in most categories, except for FT%.
So he doesn’t look bad by the numbers. ’Lets hope hes not a head-case like some are making him out to be.
He’s at least cheap enough that he can be cut without blinking.
Well, I don't know his game yet. I didn't pay attention to him before.
I just thought his stats didn’t reflect the “taller House” comments. Will wait to see him.
FWIW, I went to a Houston board and asked them if Wafer was a decent backup for them. The response I got was:
Yea when he received playing time, he generally played well. Good slasher/ decent shooter but he doesn’t know what passing means.
As for head case. Yes he is an absolute idiot. He pissed off and barked at the only coach who ever believed in him….. in the playoffs no less.
I also think Doc is a near genius at handling people regarded as headcases
He’s a minimum signee, so not a biggie if he doesn’t pan out. Probably the only reason we’re getting him at minimum is because of his headcase rep. Who knows though? Guess we’ll all find out this fall.
Two seasons say something.
Career numbers don’t tell a story when you have to factor in that he’s played sporadic minutes for a lot of it. When he was given steady minutes and found his role on a team (two years it happened, 2009 Houston, and his extended D-league run in 2007) he shot very, very well. 39% from Houstin, and a blistering 45% for the D-league in 2007. That shows real potential.
Doc is great at communicating a players role to them, and he’ll tell Wafer from the start what he’s to do, quick offense, learn the defensive system, don’t be afraid to shoot (something I doubt he’ll have an issue with.)
Have you ever seen wafer play?
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by Birdbrain on Jul 29, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes am from greece also the greek team that he used to play…
by Ante Gamisou on Jul 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
he must be telling the truth
because his user name is an offensive greek phrase (not joking)
If you are a Olympiakos fan
Can you give some insight into the problems Von Wafer had with the team? From what I read, he didn’t get along with the coach and was benched and both parties were mutually happy to see Wafer go back to the US mid-season.
That's what i read too...
Houston was happy to get rid of him….
And so was a european league team???
Now we have signed Euro-Trash garbage that already proved the only league that he hasn’t screwed up in is CHina???
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that the C's are expected to sign Harangody ...
Wafer’s signing brings the roster to 14 (including Sheed), leaving just one open slot. I don’t want to be alarmist, but Wafer’s signing tells me Boston ain’t gettin’ Rudy or West — Wafer’s the extra wing, and I presume that the last roster spot will be given to a big. But who knows? I guess Danny could still swing a trade involving Sheed that will bring back a big and another wing (Shaq and Parker/Moon? Rudy and Pryzbilla?).
by rocknrollforyoursoul on Jul 29, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not necessarily
if we trade for Rudy (he’s not a FA) we need to send at least one or two guys out, so the roster spots are not a problem.
not bad.
Although i hope this does not rule out Rudy. But Vakeaton has a nice release. I can’t wait to see him do some of this next season….
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by CaliforniaGreen on Jul 29, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Looks like he CAN run the break
and that he CAN slash and dunk.
His stats seem to show that he doesn’t go to the hoop that much overall though – mostly an outside shooter – but that could be partly a reflection of how the Rockets offense worked.
I hope your right...
I would have rather gotten Rudy,,,,
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If We Were Going to Sign this Guy...
Why sign Marquis as well…..
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis is a very different player
Daniels has a fairly sophisticated slashing & passing game in the paint. Not as good as Rondo (but few are).
But more importantly, Daniels is a very good perimeter defender. He’s a veteran with a lot of experience.
Wafer has barely a year of NBA experience. Offensively he is primarily (so far) a perimeter shooter.
They would actually work as complements to each other and Nate – a lot of speed on the floor with those three.
This guy is also a very low-risk signing. He’s dirt cheap and we can cut him without blinking to make room for a better option if it comes along.
Well
Makes sense, see how it is before the trading deadline if all this knuckle heads are a great fit to the C’s and then make additional moves.. You just hope you are still seeded well enough to make a push for the playoffs. Get homecourt when possible.
Marquis' defense is soft....
he can’t handle defending a tougher player…..
He backed off a lot when i saw him defend players that used a little more muscle than what he had…
Even if players aren’t stronger than their opponent… They should still stand in there and take the contact instead of backing off like a girl and hiding in a corner.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he proves me wrong this year...
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Daniels backs up up Pierce. Wafer backs up Allen. This gives a depth chart of…
Rondo/Robinson/Bradley
Allen/Wafer/Bradley
Pierce/Daniels/Harangody
Garnett/Davis/Harangody
O’Neil/???/Erden
…the C’s still need that #2 Center until Perkins gets back. Sheed could be the ???, but I really do think he is retired and isn’t coming back. Gaffney and Lafayette will probably be waived or traded even before training camp, but if either are still around they will be competing for the 14/15th roster spot with Sims and maybe Janning.
I still Hate to See Daniels as the Backup at the 3...
I would love to see a solid defender at the 3….
Here’s to hoping that Daniels proves me wrong and toughens up over the off-season.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you know that last year, Daniels was very, very effective subbing for Pierce?
Of our 5 man rotations, that was one our strongest units outside of our regular starting 5.
With Daniels in place of Pierce at the 3 spot, we lost 2 points per 100 possessions on defense, but gained a point on offense, so overall dropping from a net +14 to +12 per 100. In other words, still very, very good.
If Sheed does not retire, then that is a pretty good bench and I think we will see a lot of Harandody this season. Robinson and Wafer on the second unit will outplay most other teams second guard unit. Problem is not much rebounding on the second unit. Sheed is not a rebounder and the only other is Davis.
Rebounding was a giant problem for us all year.
I hope that whoever we get for backup center is a rebounder first and foremost, and who can defend as well.
Let's hope we are not done
We didn’t see this deal going down. Maybe we got another deal in place for Sheed’s contract? Not the Rudy deal.
agreed
there’s a reason why sheed hasnt filed for retirement. DA will use his contract and I cant wait to see how he uses it and who he brings in for it, as well as who might go. A trade is forthcoming.
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by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 29, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh?
Hopefully whatever mental issues Von Wafer had in Houston have been dealt with.
I specializes in grammar fail.
They might not have been dealt with
Wafer failed a physical last season when Houston thought about bringing him back, but it has been suggested that the physical was a pretext to cover for Houston deciding that Wafer was still an undesirable headcase.
wait
Von?
Wa – - fer?
Moments like these call for the ghost of Johnny Most to come up with something right now for the first time he dunks. It doesn’t matter if this guy can play or not. Some players are hired for the entertainment – like the All Ear team, The All Redhead team.
And this guy belongs on the bench with the “All Name Team”, along with World B. Free, and a few others.
Von illa Wafer
maybe not….
Von didn't play in the NBA last year?
I forgot about him going over seas to play for a year. This means we are moving one of the young guys? To make way for another deal
Wafer was kind of in the NBA last season
He got out of his contract in Greece because he was unhappy about being benched and had a 10-day contract with Dallas, but didn’t play any games.
Great.....
crickets….more crickets….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
slim pickings
Danny struck gold on Posey & House…bombed on Daniels…these guys take small deals for a reason, they ain’t that good…..we need a big guy if Sheed ain’t staying…we got some nice ending deals come Feb,no time to panic
Yeah
They’re taking small deals from us cause that’s all we can offer them.
Not saying Vin Wafer will solve our problems, but it’s not like he’s a complete disaster waiting to happen.
Can Wafer PLay Defense.....
Marquis has proven his defense is soft like snuggles…..
If wafer proves to be the same… we have down-graded the bench in a huge way…
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
he is strong and quick, has a good stance too.
but he is only used to the man to man D not the Celtics help style. But if we can hide a short,old,and fat eddie house in the SG spot, im sure we can teach A fast and strong shooter like Wafer how our defense works. He is a guy who played in the playoffs before, he has experience, and don’t even say that just because he is coming in cheap he will suck, look at matt barnes who signed a minimum last year.
Marquis is slow that is why he cannot keep guys in front of him.
well Von Wafer is 2x the offensive player TA is, so
if he’s on the floor with Rondo opponents will no longer be able to play way off the 1 and 2 like they did when TA was on the court.
by jakeshuttlesworth on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah the offense should be dramatically better
with a shooter like Wafer sub’ing for Ray instead of Tony.
Last year, when Tony sub’ed for Ray, opposing teams just sagged 4 men into the paint and put one man smothering on Pierce and our offense completely shut down.
They wouldn’t be able to do that with Wafer.
And unlike with Eddie, Wafer can potentially do a few other things than just shoot from outside.
That’s all theory, of course.
Struck gold on Posey and House alright!!
I still wonder what happened to the Jarvis Hayes talks. It’s gonna be deemed completely dead pretty soon with these signings…
This means we need shaq even more...
Without SOmeone like Rudy on the team…
A need for a Shaq is even more prevelant.
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No team besides a legit contender would want him.
I suspect the only interest he’s receiving is from Atlanta and us, and I’m confident he’d rather play with our future hall of famers than with Atlanta.
Could be
They’re certainly legit contenders, and he could be of value there, especially against the Lakers if they make it that far.
Shaq would be their only useful 5
Please – SOMEONE pay him more than the minimum – it would NOT be good to see him there
by nba is the worst on Jul 30, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
No one else
Is gonna give him that kind of money except a non-contender, and Shaq already said he won’t be playing for a contender.
I think Shaq will get more than the minimum
How much more, time will tell…
by nba is the worst on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think somewhere on YouTube there is a highlight mix of me playing basketball in elementary school
by jurrasicearl on Jul 29, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Von Wafter....
Major headcase – so glad we got him…Houston captured lightning in a bottle the year he actually produced – and STILL he had “issues” that year….
This is a posturing move to force Blazers hand – if Wafer is the guy…we didn’t get anything worth talking about…until his first problem that is…
I'd like to know if this "one year minimum deal" is guaranteed.
If it is, it’d be an expensive way to strike a pose.
Nah - even if it is guaranteed, its pretty small potatoes.
They could eat this as simply a bargaining expense, if it helps secure a better player.
Eh
Sounds like another low-risk/high-yield potential signing. Still feels like we need a long wing. I definitely think we still need a big, big-time. Can we get one? Is Shaq that realistic?
Laker Taint
I think we’re losing sight of the big picture. Von Wafer is an ex-Laker. This is one step down from signing a serial killer.
he played a total of ... 73 minutes for the Lakers.
Is that enough to make him toxic?
I’m not disagreein’. I’m just sayin’ ….
so we were expecting fernandez, howard, delonte etc
but end up getting waffer… smh.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't read anywhere that the Celts are still not in the hunt for Rudy or Delonte
Remember, there could be a trade
I am hoping you are right.,....
I’d like to see marquis traded now if we get rudy…
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm starting to tturn the corner
It seems that regardless of who he signs, people come out of the woodwork to criticize Ainge, yet what do you expect him to do, sign superstars for the vet minimum? Sure, Von Wafer is not a star, but he has shown that he can score and play in the NBA and he has decent size. Yes, I want Rudy, and yes, I want Shaq, but Danny is definitely not done. Wafer is a good gamble, for short money, as are the re-signings of Nate and Marquis.
If the sign of wafer....
Why sign Marquis as well…
Both seem to be a threat defensively….
Although playing defense in Houston must have been hard for him to prove himself with Battier and Artest both there….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Daniels had one bad year.
Where do we get this idea that “Daniels can’t play defense.” He lost his way last year, it happens. His confidence was shot, he was pressing, Doc lost faith in him, and TA came in and played great.
It doesn’t mean he’s terrible. He was a great defender in Indiana, and for the first 30 games of the year before the injury. There was a time last season where Doc said he thought getting Daniels back as the most important piece to the Celtics team (at a time when KG and Paul were dealing with injuries too.) Why does everyone forget this?
He absolutely has the ability to get back to where he was in Indiana, and at the 2.4mil their paying him, if he does, he’ll be one of the steals of the off-season.
the roster is almost full now (14 if we sign both harangody and erden as expected)
and we still need a big guy. so this is it we are done unless some rookies are sent to maine. I’d rather see bradley getting some mins in beantown than watching wafer make terrible decisions on the court.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
unless bradley is in the talk for rudy...
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
bradley has potential and is a already terrific defender even at nba level right now
so I am not so sure rudy has a higher value for which we have to as well throw in sheed’s contract. as i said earlier rudy is a terrible ballhandler and not a tough player overall.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sheed's contract has no value to Portland...
Sheed’s contract doesn’t free any money up for POrtland…. If anything… Portland would keep Rudy than trade for Sheed…. WHich POrtland would just take New York’s offer instead….
I believe POrtland wants one or two 1st rounders and/or a prospect like bradley.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Jul 29, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yes thats for sure. we have to throw in picks along with sheed's contract to trade for a decent player
To best use sheed’s contract ainge need to wait until the trade deadline and target at teams that are trying to avoid luxury tax. However, i dont see it happening this way since we have to pay sheed’s salary until then. So its either we trade the imaginary contract for a player right now, or just buyout it.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No - we don't necessarily have to pay Sheed's salary.
We can ‘suspend’ him (for not showing up to honor his contract).
During that time he would not be paid. When the time is right to make the trade, we trade him and he retires and the receiving team receives the balance of the contract in relief.
This has been done at least a few times before.
How likely is it we NOT pay Sheed, then expect him to do us a favor and retire?
A more likely scenario is that Rasheed Wallace actually plays this season until the trade deadline, THEN we trade him and THEN he retires.
Maybe Danny already has a deal in place
And they are waiting until a predetermined time to pull the trigger. That way Sheed gets some money for his trouble, and come November (or whenever) the trade happens, and Sheed retires.
They will not trade him.
Danny said that was one of the guys he wanted to draft for a while. he will not trade a potential all star(hopefully) for a role player. and why would portland trade for bradley when they got
Andre Miller
Jeryd Bayless
Armon Johnson
Elliot Williams
at PG, 4 guys
They can still trade two players for one or three for 2
And I believe that neither Lafayette’s nnor Gasffney’s contracts are guaranteed
im not counting in laffayette or gaffney yet
with sheed’s counted the roster is currently 14. (rumor has it gaffney is very likely to make the roster and IMHO laffayette is not). and the rookies cannot be traded until middle of the season. my point is i’d rather see ainge give some chances to our rookies.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible either Gaffney or Sims could make the squad
Not necessarily likely, but possible, especially if we send out more players than we take back in trade. Then, we’ll have a spot open. I’d rather have a vet, but I just want a backup 3 that is not undersized for once, and one who can D up.
We already invited the backup SF
Sims, the kid should be able to backup PP, he can shoot it very well, and due to his body should be able to defend very well, i’d like to see lebron james try to bully Sims.
I don think Gaffney will make the team, he looks like JR Giddens out there, lost and he will be a minus on offense. Now if we can get a young big, that would be tight.
And I can’t wait till the season starts i want to see every single team even the bucks… lol
by businessbmw on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know Sims has been invited to camp
That’s a far cry from making the squad though. Who knows. It’ll all shake out in the fall. I think we need a big wing that actually might see the floor, and Doc is not big on giving rookies time on a contender. It was fine when we were heading toward a high lottery pick, but I doubt Sims would ever leave the bench in a meaningful game (if he even makes the team).
Sims did have his moments in the SL though
He looked clearly better than Erden in SL. Danny will get another big. There’s no way that Semih is going to be our primary backup C. That said, it’s a long shot for Sims to make the team.
I pretty much concur.
We may have to wait a while before DA can pull the trigger on another big. Sheed’s contract will have the most value when more teams have filled up or gone over their cap space.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up going into the season for a bit before this gets resolved. There ARE scrub games during the regular season where Doc will be able to play Erden, et al, to get a measure of how they’ll do. There are some really bad teams out there, along with the tough ones.
I think you're right
It may well be that Sheed’s contract has more value after the season starts, like when teams realize that their whole plan isn’t working and they decide to scrap it and start over. Then they start looking to shed salary.
If that's the case, maybe Sheed doesn't retire right away
He could actually be the big man we still need. I mean, why not? He only needs to play a half-season until the trade deadline.
how about
did we just sign him to use as a trade piece ?
by Celtic -_- Pride on Jul 29, 2010 8:14 PM EDT reply actions
He's better after 5 or 6
Wafer
Is the
One guy to get
When you’re getting more than one
the news source is Alex Kennedy from Hoopsworld
he’s been right with breaking that Tony went to the Grizz, no official confirmation yet from other sources,
no word from von wafer’s twitter also,
http://twitter.com/vonwafer13
I'll give some thoughts on him.
He is incredibly athletic, a good shooter from my memory, and is incredibly flashy – was a huge fan favorite for the Rockets because he is without a doubt talented.
He is also an idiot ( I honestly think Wafer could be an All-Star if he had the right mentality), is not the best defender, and is a holy crap awful passer. Most of us were a bit sad when he left, but then Budinger showed up and was a lot better, so we got over it fast.
Minnesotan Rockets fan
the way he runs the court and make layups looked a bit weird to me
a bit sturborn or not very well coordinated or sth. and he made terrible shot selections even in the first season with the rockets. that being said, he was a better player for a vet min. however, i have the impression hes not the same player any more.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 29, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
“Starting the second period with the Headcase Twins – the double “W’s, the crazier than a bedbug warped duo”
Is it looking more and more like wrestling? Put them out there with Baby and Veal driving the clown car.
what happened to Bill Walker?
John Hollinger was recently praising the Knicks for retaining him. This guy would be a nice 11th man right about now. I’m really glad we got 20 good minutes of Nate Robinson for him.
Danny needs to step it up and bring in a top wing with Wallace’s deal.
by superluminal on Jul 29, 2010 9:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Walker is signed to the Knicks
for $854k this year. The team has a Team Option on him for 2011-12 for $916k.
He is not coming back here any time soon.
Gerald Green junior
yup great shooter athlete bad decision maker
decent move
for the vet min, he’s a decent pickup.
I would suspect Sheed’s deal will go towards getting a big man rather than Rudy now. If Sheed does get moved for Rudy, Danny needs to keep Bradley who I think could be a very solid rotation player (6th man combo guard) when we start to really rebuild in a couple of years.
How many teams has Eddie House played for? What about Matt Barnes, etc. etc. etc.?
Yet, so many people wanted Barnes or to re-sign House. There are tons of guys who have played on a lot of teams.
my only impression of wafer
was when he played the celtics, 08-09, and attempted a baseline dunk, and got stuffed by the rim. interesting danny, very interesting. he could give KG a run for his money if it was a stat
the few, the proud, the boston celtics
is that dwight howard contesting his shot?
must be a good player if hes got howard defending him ;D
the few, the proud, the boston celtics
This is concerning..... read below
How did he fail 2 physicals????
Free agent guard Von Wafer hopes to return to the NBA for the 2010-11 season.
Wafer signed with Olympiakos last summer but soon changed his mind, paying his own $1.2 million buyout to leave the Greek league. He failed two physicals for NBA teams, however, and never made it onto any team’s roster. Among the teams interested in him this summer are the Cavaliers, Spurs, and Rockets.
Is it Soup Yet?
drugs maybe? PEDs possibly. or much worse
the few, the proud, the boston celtics
by bleedgreen34 on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Found this
http://blog.shamsports.com/2010/07/history-of-failed-physicals.html
Not sure how good the info is
very happy
he is a spark plug type player, and it tells us that Danny will not send our 1st round picks away to the blazers. every game that i saw him in he was a good scorer who can also defend due to his strong frame. I like the youth in the bench now!
Nate\bradley
Wafer\daniels\Janning?
Daniels\ Sims?
Baby\?
Perk\semih
All we need is a quality big, not named Shaq.
Von Wafer can fill it up quickly
There were so many dry spells during last year’s playoffs. This is a very nice addition.
by jakeshuttlesworth on Jul 29, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Von Wafer is quite similar to Rudy
Both are streaky shooters that would provide a bit of length at 2 or 3 spot.
Von Wafer is young and versatile, a real spark plug coming off the bench (just like RF).
Personally, I like the sign and I think that Wafer is a solid asset to this team. Remember, we still have Sheed’s contract and seeing how there are very few obtainable free agents left on the market, Wafer was a good sign for the vet. min.
Interesting signing....
Also interesting reactions…Looks like for the vet minimum, if you’re lucky you can get a player that can shoot and score OR a player that can play defense. Von Wafer seems to be the former.
Concerns about his defense ARE valid, of course, but if he could ALSO play great defense, he wouldn’t be available for the vet minimum….
yeah, simple low cost to medium or possibly high reward move
and according to the kid’s twitter, he’s real thankful to get another chance at the NBA, hope he does well not just for the team’s sake but for his own sake
He should come here with an attitude of wanting to learn.
Because he’ll be backing up some very professional veterans that he should strive to emulate both on and off the court. That could do well for his career.
He doesn’t need any more hot-head incidents like he did when he was younger.
Looks like he wants to concentrate on his D...
Which is a good thing. Who knows, he might work out. Little to no risk involved…
This isn't earth-shattering, but it's a no-risk move
If I understand all the cap rules correctly, we’re not penalized for filling out our roster with vet minimum guys. At best he’ll be a productive backup 2 or be useful in a trade somewhere down the line. At worst he’s of no use to us and we can waive him (as long as we’ve got 12 on the roster).
by GreenInNYC on Jul 29, 2010 10:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
JR Smith Lite
Von Wafer is a gunner
On its own, not a bad signing. He provides instant offense off the bench. But Wafer and Nate are redundant.
except for a difference of 8 inches
by jakeshuttlesworth on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Wafer won't be a black hole on this team.
If he were to be, his minutes would dry up, along with his future in the NBA. It’s something his agent would remind him of.
However...
Doc wants him to shoot, Wafer is not going to be a primary ball handler, he’s going to be getting the ball around screens, on the move, or in transition. Doc is going to tell him, when you get the ball, do something with it.
He is very, very good that that. Or was, at least. That’s exactly what the bench needs, someone who can come in when the offense has gone stagnant, and fill it up. Isn’t afraid to pull the trigger, and will be a spark plug offensively.
If he does that, he only needs to be an average defender to be useful to the bench. He already is an average defender, he could become good if he learns the system (he has the athletic tools to do it) but that’s just icing on the cake.
Either way, huge upside here. Huge.
Concur - his role is to be a SG, not a PG
and in our offense, the SG moves mostly without the ball and is supposed to catch & shoot.
I’m not worried too much about his offensive role – he looks like an excellent bench piece that will fit with what we have. Offensively the threesome of Nate + Wafer + Daniels is a pretty good set that complements each other well – that’s a lot of speed on the fast break. Nate + Wafer + Harangody looks like a pretty complementary set as well, because of Harangody’s inside game.
Defensively, they have to learn to work as a team and that will be the big question. Our starters are mostly a fine-tuned machine on defense (JO is new, but should fit in well on defense). Our bench is now almost a completely new set of pieces that will have to learn to work together.
I still think Harangody has a better chance to see the floor as a power 3
I just think he’ll be punished trying to defend the post as a 4, but as always, we shall see.
Yeah seriously
Nate and Wafer has our backcourt off the bench being able to spread the court isn’t anything to mess with. This definitely helps Daniels too, assuming he plays the 3.
Agree
Our second unit often really lacked any offensive pop last year. I expect with Nate having a full camp, and Wafer coming in, we won’t have the huge offensive dry spells we did last year.
One of the big intrigues of the off-season is who we get at backup C. Will we have a low post threat inside? For all that Sheed hung out at the 3 point line way too much last year, he was a very capable guy in the post when he chose to go down there.
I wrote the same thing down below.
The last big questions are:
Who will be the first center off the bench? (Erden? Or will Danny find a veteran somewhere?)
Will Danny continue to try to upgrade at SG/SF? (I think at this point, that ball is in Portland’s court.)
I dont understand why...
Everyone is bagging on Von Wafer sure he may have problems but thats what the celtics are all about we are the Boston Bad Boys. He fits perfect. And if anyone can handle Von Wafer its Doc Rivers. So we have nothing to worry about.
Trust me.
not bad.
but I’d still prefer Rudy though. I hope he’s a trade piece to get Rudy without sacrificing draft picks.
I'm trying to decide...
… If we are one backup big away from being the third best team in the league.
by Big_Easy on Jul 29, 2010 10:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Von Wafer vs Eddie House
Von Wafer can drive to the hoop a lot more than Eddie House and shoot 3’s. at the same %.
by Celtics9Lakers2 on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
What if ...
… you see him playing both the 2 and the 3. Will you call him Von Waffle?
by Big_Easy on Jul 29, 2010 11:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow I'm unlucky
I made this fanpost today around 3 today
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
I think we made te right desicion choosen Wafer
He is a good shooter can play in the paint better then house ever could and will be good comin off the bench. I dont understand why we are concerned about him being a nut job and would rather have Delonte West who isnt any better . The point is he averages more points then Fernadez and has a better inside game and can play Defense.
With House gone to the Heat and Rudy an uncertainty, this is a cheap insurance
And it may even payoff like Nate did in the playoffs.
Von Wafer
Is also the guy who did this against the Celtics… xD
by andrewherez2597 on Jul 30, 2010 12:34 AM EDT reply actions
honestly?
hopefully wont replace rudy, unless they plan on him playing small forward which i doubt. but this will take away from the rooks playing time. and if you watch youtube videos on him which i just saw a bunch of celtics fans were, he TRAVELS every single dunk/layup
i'd be disappointed...
if this means it shuts the “rudy fernandez” deal. i like getting specialists/shooters but if we really were desperate to get a ‘terrific’ shooter, they should have cornered anthony morrow instead…
wafer is a ‘last resort’ type of shooter, imo
Terrible
Von waffer ?? this is the best we could do? sad part is this guy was da 12th option. seems like were doing a bad job recruting this summer . is this guy suppose to guard lbj or kobe ? this is a joke
not terrible
At 6-5" and 210 lbs., Van Wafer has the physique. And just like it dawned on Tony Allen, he’s likely to realize his value in the NBA will reflect the effort he puts into his defensive game.
The real question involves his emotional maturity. He’s already been out of the league and out of the country. Maybe that will have a positive effect on him.
what the heck does "recruiting" have to do with it?
Danny can only spend vet minimum on free agents.
Until all other teams have exhausted their cap room and bird rights ability to pay FAs MORE than that, Danny could not do anything to get more expensive players here.
And Rudy F is not a free agent. The only way we can get him is if Portland agrees to a price we can afford in terms of tradable assets. It takes two parties to complete a trade.
Finally – Von Wafer is cheap. Extremely low risk. Danny can still continue to look for better options. If he finds one, it should be no big deal to cut him, if we need the roster spot or if he turns out to be a head case.
But if he has his head together, Wafer DOES have the physical skills to be valuable to us as a bench SG. Overall this is a good signing by DA.
I Agree...
Von Wafer has a big upside for this team and presents little risk. Maybe he can’t guard Kobe or DWade, but which of the players that are still available for the vet min really CAN? At least Wafer has proven that he can do what he does very effectively, which is catch the ball and shoot it.
That’s what the SG on the Celtics does…
by Stanford_Fan on Jul 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh... 2 million.
I’m not sure basically taking a piss on 2millin dollars if they cut him would be considered “no big deal” to ownership.
I don’t see them cutting him, worst case scenario is ya probably see him rack up DNP-CDs while they see what Bradley can do.
if his presence is here solely as leverage to get Portland to lower their price on Rudy
then it is just a bargaining expense. Better to burn 1-2 M rather than give up a draft pick that you want to retain for the rebuilding post-2012.
I don't think his signing was any sort of leveraging move
I’m thinking Danny thinks that Wafer brings similar offensive productivity as Rudy without having to give up any players or draft picks. Very good cost effective move.
Best case scenario, we have a poor man’s Jamal Crawford or JR Smith on our hands. This is really a no risk move for vet min.
We have the type of locker room that polices itself, so I expect his knucklehead tendencies to be kept in check.
Yeah - I think you are right
in that in all likelihood, his intrinsic value will be his real value to us.
But I think that DA has this covered from multiple angles.
know how Perkins has a problem with the fast centers with great footwork? not the howard type but the andrew boguts, and those kinda centers? watch this footwork, hate miami but will admit top 2 sg in the league makes the shot, but just watch this footwork
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QBrLnVtW2U
Barron is the answer to our backup center problems, look what he did against us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFholGdH-2k&feature=player_embedded
11 points and 11 rebounds on a 10 day contract in 7 games, fairly young, no idea why no one took him but i say go for him. he has a KILLER 15 footer which would be great for the 2nd units spacing. nate, bbd, barron, and wafer all can shoot, so itll definilty help out marquis with getting to the hoop. i think this pickup would help the team so much especially with spacing in the second unit.
now if we pick up barron, imagine the roster
Rondo/Robinson/Bradley
Allen/Wafer/Bradley
Pierce/Daniels/Harangody
Garnett/Davis/Harangody
O’Neil/barron/Erden
last but not least…. WE HAVE SHEEDS CONTRACT TO TRADE. mix that with a first rounder and we have ourselves a backup wing, preferably long and can play defense.
Come on Celtics!
This cant be the guy we get instead of Rudy, Come on Celtics look around the league the Bulls are here the Magic are still here and the Heat are ready to knock us off . Signing the Ray and Paul was in important we got that done weeks ago in the last couple of weeks the Lakers got Theo Ratliff and Matt Barnes strengthining their defense especially there bench D . We lost our best defender we need a prolific scorer off the bench getting Von Wafer to go with Robinson, Davis,Daniels………??? get real bench players stop sitting around and get us back to a finals team.
lets see what happens
I remember Waver in a positive way – he is a guy with lots of energy and great athletic – give him credit – he beats us with a late three pointer last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOtV9zatazk
I guess he has also the conditions to become a good defender!! I feel fine with this addition, because he is bigger than Eddie or Delonte. I had hope for Rudy, but Waver is not bad at all. Lets see how he fits.
Great move from Von Wafer agent!!
If this kid plays like House his first year, He’s gonna get paid the next year.
And good move to D. Ainge. He’s telling Portland I’m not going to give you a 2 first round picks, Get 1. and maybe a 2do.
Right, it was just too much to give for Rudy. Ainge still has trading chips and picks for the future, in fact...
I believe Ainge has one eye on the future with this deal. Wafer is relatively young, as is Daniels, Baby, Perk, rondo, and of course the rooks.
The most important question yet
Who will be wearing number 7? :)
Marquis is listed on nba.com and espn.com as still having number 7 and Jermaine is yet to be assigned a number, but there’s a good chance that number 7 will be going to JO’Neal.
Adam
(liking the depth on the bench)
by Ruben Wolkowyski on Jul 30, 2010 6:01 AM EDT reply actions
hey
I like Wafer, but I still want Rudy and a big guy, if we could keep.. Wafer in the mix it would be nice, but it will be very hard to not include him in the Rudy deal..
by Stanley Acosta Calderón on Jul 30, 2010 7:13 AM EDT reply actions
Can’t trade him unless we wait 3 months from when he was drafted
by Pmartin60 on Jul 30, 2010 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can’t trade him unless we wait 3 months from when he was picked up in fa
by Pmartin60 on Jul 30, 2010 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The last roster spot is for a vet big man and I believe that guy is already on the team...
Rasheed Wallace will delay his retirement until the trade deadline.
This is the ideal scenario and requires no further action.
von wafer still is trying to figure out what uhm
defense is.
by lakersbluedevil on Jul 30, 2010 8:53 AM EDT reply actions
Ray found it when he came to Boston.
You either play it or sit; it’s really that simple.
Ray was always at least an average defender.
He was usually just on poor defensive teams.
But, yeah being on a strong defensive minded team definitely puts the onus on the player to pick up that part of his game or else sit on the bench.
So is Wafer.
Opposing 2 guards had lower defensive ratings while Wafer was on the floor. It’s a small sample since he’s really only played two NBA season (one complete one) so it’s impossible to tell in those numbers mean anything.
But in the limited time he’s seen there’s nothing that jumps out and says “this guys sucks at D.” He’s probably an average, maybe slightly below average defender right now, with all the athletic tools necessary to be a great defender if he can learn the system, and really applies himself.
Yeah - I don't seen anything in the clips I've been pouring over that says 'poor defender'.
I do see a lot of ‘inexperienced young player’. But that’s not a bad thing on his part.
He definitely looks athletic enough to play good defense.
He has to see this as a golden opportunity for his career – if he is not motivated to make the most of it, then he would have to be a complete loser. I don’t think that is the case and I think he’s going to be fine.
Vakeaton Quamar Wafer...What planet is this guy from????
Danny, stop taking your dosage of “stupid” pills!
this puts the roster at 14
ainge said he wanted to add another big and a shooter. well there’s the shooter.
now the question is to we go after a FA big or do we try and do a 2 for 1 with rasheed?
i still want rudy and would rather of had him than wafer but not a terrible signing other than that.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jul 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
I like the fact he is a good 3 point shooter since we can use all the outside shooting we can on this club....
I especially like his size as Eddie House and Nate Robinson had height issues on specific match ups at times last year.
I am not very familiar with his overall game though and am curious if he can defend at all which would be a bonus.
Also the roster slots are starting to fill up… I wonder if signing Von means Ainge is no longer interested in signing Delonte??
I hope not as I would love to see him wearing green again.
I doubt seriously that West is ever headed back here.
Too much baggage. Rumors already are strong that a reason contributing to TA leaving is that Wic and ownership were not pleased with his off-court behavior (Ref. Chicago night-club incident) and we all know how publicly Wic blasted BBD last fall for the punching incident.
Basically I don’t think ownership wants to deal with non-professional off court behavior and riding around town with a ton of guns kinda qualifies as that sort of of thing.
Wafer actually comes with a couple of black marks himself – but they were basically hot-head fights on the court when he was younger. Hopefully he’s grown past that or he won’t stick around.
Correct....
…we prefer our players commit their acts of stupidity on the court (Wafer, O’Neal, Robinson, Sheed).
Are there any official reports yet?
The positive thing is that we have actually managed to get a backup, but I guess that’s my only positive spin on this.
As far as I have seen, none of the official sources have confirmed this yet – right? I still pray this isn’t as true as it seems, because if the other guys on the table were Rudy Fernandez and possibly Delonte, then I believe Wafer is a terrible solution. I didn’t think much of him back when he was ‘good’ for Houston, so the fact that he hasn’t really played for a year doesn’t conformt me in any way.
what a crappy pick up. danny is starting to look like the dummy who traded walker for lafrentz.. not one power move the whole summer hope harrongody aka herman monster can contribute
by thuggedoutinGreen on Jul 30, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Befroe you knock the LaFrentz acquisition (and ainge as a GM in general) please
follow the subsequent deals to see what effect the LaFrentz contract had on how the team evolved.
232
comments about the signing of Von Wafer for the vet min. Wow—dog days of summer and the blog is hotter than DC. Can we fast forward to training camp, please?
by McHaleinthepost on Jul 30, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
These are the anxious days.
Once the roster’s set, it’s pretty much set.
I see what Danny is doing?
Danny said he wanted to get a shooter and a big man. I think now we have a shooter. I mean do we really need a caliber guy like Fernandez on this team. Either way we look at it the playing time will be limited. Von wafer is a quicker shooting gaurd then Fernandez and can potentially help us out defensivly. Now we only have him for one yr. We could possibly use him as trade value down the line before the trade deadline as well. Maybe now we have money to pay shaq a lil. or maybe use a couple benc guys for a sign and trade for shaq. WHo Knows. But I would liove to see shaq on this team. We need to fill up the paint. He would help gaurding Dwight Howard and could help us on the rebounding side against LA and definately help clogg the driving lanes against Miami and defend them them on the outside shot. JUST MY OPINION !!!!!!!!! LETS SIGN SHAQ !!!! NOW
by High_Roller2312 on Jul 30, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
Danny signed Wafer so that he can try to use Sheed's contract to get another big man right?
That’s my theory to this signing. Wafer knows that he’s going to get maybe a few minutes per game at best since nate and marquis will be getting more minutes this season. Maybe Danny wants to use sheed’s contract now or some time before the deadline to bring in a big man. That’s my guess…
Uh...
Nate and Quis have nothing to do with Wafer’s playing time. Wafer is the primary back up at 2. So the only thing that will effect his playing time, is him. If he doesn’t put it together and Doc has no confidence in him, he’ll leave Paul or Ray in more, and platoon Daniels between the 2 and 3, keeping Wafer on the bench. Or we’ll see more of Bradley at the 2. But I think going into the year, Doc’s primary rotation for the bench will see Nate at PG, Wafer at SG, and Daniels at SF.
If all 3 do well, you could see a lot of that line-up + BBD.
Yep - the big question remaining is who will be the first C off the bench.
Boy does that injury to Perk really suck.
No question.
Ya, if it wasn’t for the Perk injury, not only would we probably be hoisting Banner 18 at the home opener, but I’d fell really good about chances to repeat.
Yep.
Which is why I really wish we (and by that I mean multiple players on the team) had not missed all those point-blank layups and dunks in Game 3. We missed at least 5 or 6 such shots in that game. If we made those shots (and those are shots you HAVE to make) then we win that game easily and the series probably would have been over in 5 – which would have meant Perk would not have been hurt in Game 6 … sigh …
“What if …”
Rebounding
It wasnt the missed shots it was the missed rebounds that affected the outcome of the game. We were out rebounded in the playoffs. Imagine if we had won the rebounding battle. We would be unstoppable. No team can compete with us if we controlled the boards. We have odffense, We have defense, We have confidence, we have the mental edge, We have playoff experience, we have heart. We just dont have any rebounding.
by High_Roller2312 on Jul 30, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Right - our lack of rebounding kept those shots from going into the hoop.
Or ….
… maybe our several point-blank misses lead to just a few too many easy defensive rebounds for them in that game …
People need to get their cause-and-effect in order.
It is my opinion that lack of rebounding was our biggest single weakness,
throughout the entire regular season as well as throughout the playoffs. You cannot continue to give the other team a 2nd, 3rd and even a 4th chance to score.
Missed bunnies is a part of the mix, but IMO, not the biggest.
by GetYourSoxOn on Jul 31, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
offensive rebounds ONLY come after a missed bunny
that is a fact.
If you don’t miss – you won’t get an offensive rebound.
If you make them miss – they might get an offensive rebound.
Rebounds are important, but the more important point is the miss or the make. It is a make/miss league.
Far more important than rebounds, the stat to worry about is the points put on the scoreboard. Those are the only stats that count.
OR's only come after a missed bunny? That is not a fact
Offensive rebounds can come from any kind of shot from anywhere on the court, the important thing is that the shot misses. I’m sure that you know that and your inclusion of the word “bunny” above is in error. You must have meant “shot”.
Our defense is very good. We force the other team into bad shots but then we allow the other team another chance (or chances) because we didn’t rebound the miss. Not only do we give them another chance to score, but when it happens over and over, our guys have to have a little mental letdown.
On the offensive end, we again forget to put a body on a guy. That allows the other team to get the rebound and it is a one-and-done. That is very demoralizing as well, as we often have a hard time scoring in long spurts..
So it is a double whammy on both ends when we forget to box out and get position.
I will say that IMO, a close second weakness issue is our scoring droughts. We will go minutes without a score. Lots of things bring that one about. PP and RR iso-ball at the end of quarters – fail. Dumping the ball into Perk with less than 10 seconds on the clock – fail. TA standing in the corner uncovered by anyone – fail. Loss of concentration at a crucial time that leads to missed bunnies – fail. Our tendency to stop going inside and turn into a jump-shooting team – fail. On and on.
Danny Ainge has tried to fix some of this. Allowing TA to walk was one bold move. Signing JO and having him play with the starters excites me very much. The Von Wafer signing adds a scorer who may be able to learn the team defence. Bringing back Nate adds a little something that was missing when House played. Drafting Bradley (I hope he doesn’t go to Portland to get Rudy) can score and shouldn’t get taken off the floor because he missed a defensive assignment.
In many games, our offense didn’t go into a funk. In most games, we lost the battle of the boards. Many vs. Most. That is how I derived my opinion. So to recap, IMO, our weakest issue is lack of rebounding followed closely by our inability to score for minutes on end. Many could argue that it is visa-versa. That is okay.
Missed bunnies is just a component of our scoring droughts, there are a lot of other components that go into creating that disfunction.
replace the word "bunny" with "shot"
if you insist on the clarification. The fact stands – rebounds are a result of a miss.
It is a myth that the celtics were a poor rebounding team last year.
Counting rebound totals is not a measure of how well a team rebounds. Especially offensive rebounds.
You don’t win games just because you happened to ‘win’ the “battle of the boards” . You win games by making more shots then your opponent. I.E. – by putting more points on the scoreboard.
Sign and trade for Shaq
I think we are getting shaq on a sign and trade deal for Shaq! It will help Cleveland. they have no shooters and Von will get more playing time there. I thinik a 1st round/2nd round draft pick. sheeds contract and von wafer for shaq. Then we can use some more money and pick up another mediocre gaurd.
by High_Roller2312 on Jul 30, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We cannot trade Von for 3 months.
So that deal (Von to CLE as part of a package) is not going to happen.
"What If"
It’s a crappy game to play, you’ll never win.
Terrible
Bad signing.
Basically means we couldn’t get
HOUSE OR FERNANDEZ
so we settle for Wafer.
VON WAFER to me seems like a last choice.
All this guy can do is shoot-
he is a liability on defense.
I thought Marquis was a bad resign- This makes that look good.
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Is that guy slow or what?
Who is that player in the Lakers uniform that Von Wafer leaves in the dust around the 1 minute mark? hint (KB 24)
by Celtics9Lakers2 on Jul 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
where did von wafer play last year?
i can’t find his stats for last year. ?
by lakersbluedevil on Jul 31, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
Wafer recieved a ridiculous offer to play for Greece for 10M
an offere he couldn’t refuse, so he went to Europe.
After a while he decided he didn’t like it or it didn’t pan out or whatever and he tried to come back to the NBA. He was offered a contract by Houston but for whatever reason failed his physical so never did join them.
He did get a 10 day contract with Dallas (or was it Denver?) but didn’t actually get any floor time.
So he has no NBA stats for 2009-2010.
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