Rasheed Wallace: The Magic Bullet?
by Jeff Clark on Jul 3, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
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PrintCould Rasheed Wallace help us in retirement more than he did in playing? Maybe.
Steve Bulpett - BostonHerald.com
Sources indicated that Danny Ainge and the Celts are seeing what they might be able to work out with Rasheed Wallace’s contract. The club could conceivably deal him and something else for a key piece and let him retire with another club, thereby giving the other team the benefit of the relief that would come from his expected retirement and buyout.
Rasheed's contract for next year is about $6.3M. The Celtics can trade him and take back 125% of his salary, or up to $7.9M. The Celtics could even include as much as $3M in cash to offset some of the cost of buying out Sheed if the two sides agreed upon it.
So, who do you want the Celtics to go after with this deal? Who do you realistically think they can get?
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Rondo and Wallace for Chris Paul (and maybe a pick).
or
Wallace for Nocioni
or
Wallace and a pick for Blatch and Young.
Andray Blatche seems to be more of a 'gimme' type of a player...
but if we could get Blatche and Young for just Sheed and a pick then I don’t mind.
Paul > Rondo? LOL
How about Chris Paul, the rest of the Hornets’ team and their next 20 1st rounders for Rondo?
by Johnny Most 2011 on Jul 3, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sorry, I am not a Celtics fan but are you crazy? I wouldn’t trade Rondo for any other point guard in the league right now. Chris Paul is great but he has been injury prone and hasn’t done much since he has been in the league (for the Hornets that is) and at this stage, I am not even sure he is a better point guard than the guy who went before him (Williams). Paul is no slouch but the Celtics have one of the best players in the league in Rondo and yall would be nuts to trade him.
Don't trade Rondo...
since his current contract underpays him, you want to hang on to him…
NO Nocioni
Yes for Blatch, but the Wizards aren’t giving him up.
bleh on Paul. Do not need.
’Have Rondo.
If we are going to do this, trade Sheed + whatever for a 2, 3 or 5.
Biendris
Trade Sheed and a guy like Gaffney to Golden State.
Biendris is a bum.. if golden state dont even want to play him then why should we replace sheed for a goof like him.
+1
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 3, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
A bum who is 24 years old ...
…has twice averaged 10 RPG, can defend the rim, and is in Don Nelsons dog house, for a retired player. If you said because he has been injury plagued, makes some dumb fouls and has three more years left on his contract I could at least rationalize that point, but a bum?
Let me ask you this; if Perk could stay on the floor for 38 minutes a night for a season (without fouling out) do you think he could average 10 RPG? I don’t think so, and I love Perk!
From the Bay Area
The W’s would be more than happy to move this albatross of a contract, so please, go ahead.
Biedrins has declined in value since last year when he shot about 16% from the line and treated the offensive end of the court like a game of hot-potato. He wanted to get rid of the ball so fast because he was afraid of being fouled that he would pass up wide open looks at the basket.
Of course, if you can solve that, he is a very good rebounder and shot-blocker…
If Troy Murphy is somehow avaliable, that would indeed be awesome. Woud also allow them to go all out on the MLE to someone like Morrow or Miller (Mike). However do you really think Daniels/the Pacers will be interested in another partnership? I must say I cannot remember on what terms they ended last summer, but didn’t it drag out for quite some time?
Agreed.
Murphy would be a very solid pickup if possible. Big, tenacious on the boards, team player.
Although...
Troy Murphy is massively overpaid, he could be an awesome weapon in the pick-and-pop.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 3, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice thought on Murphy
He is a good defensive rebounder
Wish he was a tad younger ...
But Iove his size and length and he would look pretty good playing behind Perk and along KG.
Need a rebounder
Rondo runs off rebounds. Celtics win off Rondo. Would love David Lee. Somehow, someway
Love it if it happens
But a lot has to go right.
Lee is going to offered a near-max...
so he’s not going to agree to a sign-and-trade for less than near-max money.
I don’t think the Celtics can swing that…
YOUNG LEGS!!!
Sheed for:
ANDERSON VAREJAO, David Lee, Andris Biedrins
Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Luol Deng
+1
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 3, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is going to be offered a near-max
so he won’t accept the MLE and won’t agree to an S&T for less than near max money…
I don’t think the Celitcs can swing that…
Young legs sound good to me...
so does Varegao.
If the C’s can acquire him some way from the Cavs he would be great as he would not only help them next year but he would also be a nice building block for the future.
Big Al
Shred & Baby for Al Jefferson
by 17iscoming on Jul 3, 2010 1:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
without hesitation if Minny would do it
Maybe a three team trade is needed to make them feel OK about not trading Big Al to BOS
doesn't make sense
You’d be trading Baby for Al… from a minutes perspective Al can handle 30+, Baby has been playing 17 minutes.
So you basically take care of an extra 15 minutes at the C/PF spots. Anyways you are deeper team with Al instead of Baby. Unless you are saying that Sheed needs to bring in a new player by himself, in which case you probably are getting a guy that is a reserve or not nearly as talented as Al Jeff… but I doubt Minny does it regardless.
If Sheed and Baby were traded for Al...
It would make us younger and longer.
It would also give us our future KG replacement.
This trade would only work I assume if the C’s have full confidence that 08 draft pick center Semih Erden (who has signed a minimum contract) can effectively play the back up center position.
Or if the C’s could find another low cost back up center to play behind Perk using a minimum contract to sign him.
in dat case we have to get lee if we can
but beasley,marvin williams,morrow & biedrins,7.9 mill is a nice piece of change ,s&t for childress,this is a blessing for us e can get 1 ipact player or maybe even two key role players danny will use this wisely
Dallas is not...
…looking for cap relief, if anything comes out of Dallas it will be named Dampier.
and would pay only vet min for him
and only after trying to get other younger front court players first.
Portland just signed him...
…for two more years.
AJ and Lee unlikely
We dont have much to offer besides the contract and no one feels like gifting the Celtics. Realistically, look at teams overloaded or looking to dump cap, The Heat, Warriors, Wizards
I think Beasley will end up in Toronto, Biedrins is definate possibility and would be a great fit and nice addition. I dont know why someone would call him a bum, thats ridiculous. From the Wiz, Jianilin, Singleton, Blatche, McGee. Blatche is the most likely and has as much upside as Beasley if not more, but the same maturity issues. Injured foot, but may be back by training camp. I would go with Blatche.
easy.. because biedrins is. whats are biggest need? i would say rebounding and biendris could hardly average 8 boards on a team that has no length and shoots a ton a shots. not to mention he cant score.. only averaging 5 points last season for a team that all they do is score. not to mention he is soft and even his own coach was frustrated last season and sitting him out games because he couldnt be of any help to the team if he wasnt grabbing boards. just because he is 6-11 dont mean he can do the job
How many points a game did Perk average?
Beidrins is a better rebounder than Perk and is two years younger. Remember, I didn’t say he was as tough as Perk, just that he was two years younger and a better rebounder.
"on a team that has no length and shoots a ton a shots"????
What team are you talking about?
The Celtics shot very FEW shots. In fact, they took the FEWEST shots of all teams in the NBA last year. They just made a point of taking high-percentage shots (they were 4th in the NBA in FG%).
He was talking about Golden State
What yngbamm is saying is that in a high powered Don Nelson offense where are many shots are going up, you would have expected Biedrins to have even larger rebounding stats.
id like to know what makes biedrins a nice fit on a championship contending (hopefully) team. you want biedrins on gasol or bynum at any point? just give LA another championship if we have players like that filling in for are starters if we were to play them again in a rematch.
Biedrins has never played more than 30 mpg for GS
Two seasons ago he averaged a double double in 30 mins. His career FG% is over 60%.
Career averages 8.1 ppg/ rpg in 24 minutes – which is 12.1 ppg /12.2 rpg extrapolated to 36 minutes – and he’s 23 years old.
Perk’s career numbers for comparison (he’s never been close to averaging a double double): 6.4 ppg / 8.0 ppg in 22.2 mins which is 10.4 ppg / 9.7 rpg in 36 minutes.
Obviously Perk’s a way better defender, but Biedrins is clearly not a “bum”…
by nba is the worst on Jul 3, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
perk plays with kg, sheed, paul, baby and even rondo who get boards.. obviously his average is not goin to be up there.. Biedrins cant even stay in the rotation at center for a team that has no quality big man.. if he cant play minutes on a average team then hows he going to make a impact here..hes not a bum maybe compared with Dan Gadzuric and Chris Hunter.. but compared to a solid roll players out there like Blatch, and Lee then thats what id love to focus on first.
Biedrins didnt get minutes last year cuz he was injured
And Don Nelson is their coach, so lets the rotations aren’t ummm…reliable. The year before last he was constantly in the rotation and being on a team that is constant fast break and shoots a bunch of long balls doesnt make it easier for a center to snatch rebounds but harder, and nevertheless he still did so quite well when he played. He fits cuz he plays D, rebounds, and is a solid post passer. One year of injuries for a twenty three year old does not make him a bad player
But as you say the coach was Nelson so
they were an uptempo team scoring a lot of points and gettings many possessions, both of which inflate points/rebounds. Not saying Biedrins wouldn’t help, but if we take that contract the Warriors have to throw in something else as well.
IMO Blatch is not a roll player,
but an emerging top power forward in the league. The Wizards were hoping he would take the next step up like Rondo has. He has character flaws we all know that, maybe it’s maturity, I don’t know.
I would certainly take Blatch over Beidrins if given the opportunity, I just don’t see Washington giving up on this kid.
From the Bay Area....
Biedrins’ problem is mental.
He’s a decent rebounder and shot blocker and shoots for a high percentage. Last year, though, he shot about 16% from the line and that made him pass the ball out of the post IMMEDIATELY because he was afraid of contact. THAT was what frustrated Nellie; he would pass up open shots…
The other thing is that this guy is signed for like, forever…
Don’t know that you want this one….
Getting an Elite FA
The lead article states that we can offer 10.9M toward a trade (7.9M plus 3M in cash). Combine that with either Glen Davis’s contract or either a S&T with Ray or Tony and the Celts might be able to get a very talented player.
Yes, if...
the team that holds the rights to a very talented player wants to trade him for what we’ve got to offer.
Not clear that can happen. If Danny pulls it off, he could be GM of the year.
Wishful thinking...
Melo.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 3, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there would still be cap relief
Let’s say Sheed wanted a 3M buyout.
Lets also assume whomever we trade with is primarily interested in getting expiring contracts for cap relief.
So we sign one of our FAs, say Mike Finley to a 1 year 6M deal (or whatever).
We’d trade Sheed’s 6.3M contract along with Finley to some team along with 3M for the buyout. The recieving team would buyout Sheed at 3M. Then Sheed’s contract plus Finley’s would expire at year’s end, clearing up 9.3M of cap space.
In return, we could recieve whatever long term contracts that that team wanted to unload, up to 125% of the contracts that we sent to them. I.E. in this hypothetical scenario, we could recieve some player or players back with an annual contract of up to ~15.4M.
If I follow you correctly, then the size of the Finley contract is critical
The cap space gained is determined from the Celtics current payroll, not the S&T amount on Finley.
Well, it also depends on the team you are trading with.
The size of the contract(s) for the player(s) that are coming back for the S&T and whether the other team wants ‘player value’ or just expiring contracts.
Troy Murphy
If it at all would be possible, I’d love to see him with the Cs.. 6’11" with 8,6 RPG and while shooting 39% from down town in his career.
Only downside I guess is that he’s 30, so perhaps someone like David Lee would be better for the future, if they went with a high paid big-man in a 6th man role. However I really doubt he’s accessible, considering quite a few teams will be burnt in their LeBron pursuit, which I believe would result in some of those teams, e.g. the Nets, going for Lee. Lopez/Lee would be a decent frontcourt.
Consider getting Lee
If the knicks want to create more cap space (since he is still being carried on the knicks salary cap at the moment because he has not been renounced by his team), instead of renouncing Lee, they could do a sign and trade with the celts and get Davis or even Ray. I think that’s how it would work.
neither david or ray
TA maybe since he;s a FA also ray & big baby are coming back for sure
Sheed + Gaffney + Lafayette ~ $10 million that we could take back.
Sheed + G + L + a re-signed Findley/Williams ~ $13.75 million we could take back.
Everybody is waived on the other end, so it gives the other team a chance to dump a really big contract (or two) if they want. Picks might need to go along to sweeten the deal.
Would Lee take a deal that started at $10 million?
Biedriens + Morrow or Bell?
Okafor?
Chandler?
Portland has several centers, maybe they would send us one to save on salary. Prysbilla? Probably not Oden.
Sacramento just traded for Dalembert and they have several other big men on their squad, and they are usually looking to reduce salary.
I want Ray Allen to re-sign with the C’s, but if he isn’t going to then how about a S&T coupled with Sheed’s contract to the Knicks for Lee and Curry? Yes, I know Curry isn’t worth much as a player, but he is a $10 million expiring contract…and he might be serviceable until Perkins gets back…unlikely, but it is a contract year for him, so if ever this is the year.
I think, Danny can use Sheed’s contract best if he uses it soon while teams are still jockeying for cap space, so he needs to strike soon.
good ideas there erisred
For one thing, you show that Lee couldn’t indeed be in range. I think he signs for around $40M/4 years or a little more.
I think Lee will sign for near-max.
Which for him is $12M-$14M per year, I think…He’s been talking to all of the teams that have max cap space, which leads me to believe that he’s going to be signed by whoever gets spurned by Bosh, Amare, and Boozer…
I think it's actually $8mil that we can trade for.
I thought the rule was 125% + 100k, but I’m not 100% sure. Not a huge difference between 7.9 and 8.0, but usually in situations where you’re matching salaries every penny counts.
Anyway, I like some of ideas already posted; S&T for Haywood, or just straight up trade for Marvin Williams. I think it’s pretty obvious at this point that between the MLE and Sheed’s contract we need to get a both a big man (preferably a center) and bench wing help.
What a difference a week makes though – a week ago it was back to the ol’ doom and gloom around here, now that Danny’s ‘getting the band back together’ and we have a few creative ways to add some pieces it seems that Celtic Nation’s spirits have been lifted.
Wallace/Baby for Nene
Is a deal I’d like. Puts Denver under the luxury tax, gives us an excellent 3rd big for our 4/5 rotation.
+1
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 3, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
+2
If the core is coming back to give it one more shot might as well throw Sheed in as well for one more go around.
well, that is where the exact nature of Sheed's "retirement" comes into play.
If Sheed were to actually “retire”, as in file retirement papers with the NBA, then his contract would be removed from our books and he’s done, as far as the Celt’s are concerned. We can’t re-sign him for a full year.
But if instead, his contract is simply bought out, then technically he is a free agent who could be re-signed. So if we trade him and send along some buyout cash, so that his new team buys out his contract, then technically, we could actually still re-sign him prior to the March 1 deadline so that he qualifies for the playoffs.
Not sure he’ll be in any kind of shape to play at that point. But it is a valid scenario.
How about...
The Sheed contract, plus a S&T player, for Roger Mason and the Spurs rights to Tiago Splitter?
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
I don't believe Splitter actually exists
Spurs have been waiting for him for what, a decade?
by nba is the worst on Jul 3, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Come, on...
he’ll be our anti-Gasol. A classier, better player.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jul 4, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a theory out there that he never actually existed
His name keeps getting carried over in the NBA draft from one year to the next.
The need to trade Rasheed .....
sounds like the C’s best option to free up as much $$ as possible to sign a decent preferably young back up center to replace Rasheed.
Rich Levine of Comcast CSNEE also wrote a interesting short article of his views for the need to trade Rasheed last week also and how it would benefit the C’s as opposed to if he just flat out retired. (link below)
Its funny Rasheed almost helped put the C’s over the top in 2010.
Can he possibly finish the job and help put us over the top in 2011even though he is retired…
Lets hope so.
Sounds good
But couldn’t that also get David Lee?
I think that Lee will be offered a near-max contract...
Which also means that he won’t agree to an S&T for less than that amount.
I don’t think the Celtics can swing that….
It would fit salary-wise for Lee, but doesn’t do anything for the Knicks. Lee is unsigned so it offers them no salary relief and cant imagine they want Nate back.
Could help Charlotte since they would get Chandlers salary off the books and maybe Nate is a player they would want.
Trying to look at a deal for both teams rather than what helps only Boston.
Sheed Reconsidering?
Anyone have any comments/truth about the hoopsworld writer J Flemming stating Sheed may not be retiring afterall???
now that pops the balloon...
sucks if he does reconsiders…
“The Magic are likely to be more active trying to swing deals than signing free agents.
They are trying to divorce themselves from Vince Carter. Gilbert Arenas may be coming to town.
There’s also talk of the team shopping Marcin Gortat. That may open the door to signing a big man like Brad Miller."
Gortat would be a nice Perk fill in also
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