Rasheed Wallace Still Plans to Retire
So recently there was some speculation that Rasheed Wallace might not be retiring. That created this whole 'thing'. But, good news comes from a Doc Rivers quote in Fanhouse today. (Via ESPN)
Celtics coach Doc Rivers said Monday that Wallace is assisting the team by not filing retirement papers any time soon.
"He's trying to help us out by waiting, which is good,'' Rivers said of Wallace, due to make $6.32 million next season and $6.79 million in 2011-12. "He's still our property so we can use that in a trade or something. He's doing a great thing for us.''
While there has been some speculation Wallace might not retire now that Rivers has assured that he will return to the Celtics and star forward Paul Pierce is on the verge of signing a new contract, Rivers said the chances are "very little or none'' the forward will play next season.
I don't know what the whole deal is here, but I think on some level nobody in management can say publicly that Rasheed is 100% going to to retire. I don't know if it has something to do with the CBA, but from Rivers' statement above Rasheed's retiring, and any kind of speculation is just borne from the fact that the Celtics can't say it publicly until they do or do not trade him.
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Hawks are looking to clear money by trading Josh Smith.....
if we can somehow use Sheed’s contract in a package to get Smith, then that’d be an awesome move for us (because let’s face it, as much as a lot of us want Lee…some team will prob offer him more than we can afford).
Yeah best move.
If we are not a get a good center( there’s not a lot around) why not a great power foward.
that would be awesome
and rondo played with josh smith before then became good friends. Would be happy if DA can work that out. Shaq as a backup did not work well with me at first, now that i think about it…might be a classic story. Former Laker great helps Celtics win 18th title to finish his career. Imagine how Kobe would feel about that? Make it happen please. This Finals matchup will be much bigger than this years. Oh man, I can keep going with this. GET SHAQ DA!!!
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the thought of a Rondo / Smith combo makes me giddy
Forget the doubters, Michael Beasley would look awfully good in green.
Just Dreaming
It sounds great, but unless Atlanta is even more disfunctional then the Ted Septien Cavaliers of the 80s, Atlanta is not going to trade Josh Smith to the Celtics where they’d have to play us in the Eastern Conference Playoffs. That would require Atlanta to be basically brain dead!
Josh Smith
Josh Smith will never accept a role coming off the bench. He can’t guard small forwards either.
No thanks.
Is it good news?
Hey, I was as frustrated with Sheed as anyone last season. But are our other options at center really better than Sheed? Brad Miller? Shaq? Brandon Haywood?
I suppose the trade option is a good news, but I was actually kind of hoping he would come back, if even just to hold down the fort until Perk is back.
I think it’s good news. I don’t think Sheed could possibly motivate himself to get in better shape for next season, and his contract is a real deal shot at getting not only a rotation player back, but possibly even a younger asset that we can pair with Rondo and Perk moving forward.
We don’t have that chance in Free Agency.
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by indeedproceed on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Besides a big man, I’d like to see the Celts get a young wing type player. How about Courtney Lee and Chris Humphreys from NJ. NJ might do that if they can sign a Max Free Agent (Boozer) and wants to sign a second max player. Lee seems to be a pretty good prospect and although Humphreys is just a spare part, he has an expiring contract that we might be able to swap for another piece at the deadline.
BTW, there are probably or might be better trades available this was just one to throw out for discussion. Anyone else got an idea.
It is good news.
First of all I think right now our best option for center is Shaq ( I would love Haywood, but I don’t think Cuban will let him go).
Now this Sheed contract can be really helpful for us, especially if DA can use it properly and get us a young + athletic player. ( Like I mentioned before, I would love DA to try and get Josh Smith).
With Sheed’s contract we can possible reload and rebuild at the same time.
Btw…can we pull a PJ Brown with Sheed? I am not sure how all that works, would like it if someone can answer that.
Btw…can we pull a PJ Brown with Sheed? I am not sure how all that works, would like it if someone can answer that.
By PJ Brown do you mean trade him, after which he retires, then resign him mid-season?
Like a mix between what the Cavs did with Zydrunas Ilgauskas and what PJ Brown did for us? A PJ Ilgauskas?
Man that sounds evil. Count me in.
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Kobe: It Sucks.
by indeedproceed on Jul 6, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL yeah that is what I was referring to
So if it is possible, then it doesn’t get better than that.
Sheed will most likely not do much for us anyways in the regular season, so why just not bring him back in the mid-season; and have him come up big in the postseason again.
I would like it noted for future use that I have just copyrighted the term “PJ Ilgauskas”
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Kobe: It Sucks.
by indeedproceed on Jul 6, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually nvm.....
I think we have to wait a year before resigning a player that has retired.
that's if he files retirement papers with the league.
If instead, his contract is bought out, then he becomes a free agent. There is a waiting period, but is much shorter.
So the way that would work is we trade his contract to another team. They buy him out for X dollars and thus get the difference between his contract value and X in cap savings. He then is a free agent who can be signed after (I think) 30 days. To be eligible for a playoff roster, he needs to signed prior to Mar 1 or so.
I don’t think that’s very likely. Nearly all of Rasheed’s value derives from the idea that when he retires, not only is the team that holds his contract off the hook for his salary, they also get excused from the cap hold.
AKA, if a team buys out a player, the player’s salary is still on the books. So a team trying to cut cap space, while they wouldn’t be paying actual money out to Rasheed, they would still have his 5.8 or salary factored into their cap space this season and next.
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Kobe: It Sucks.
by indeedproceed on Jul 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So far this is the "probable" news
Carmelo stys in Denver for 65 million
Dirk stays in Dallas
Joe Johnson stays in Atlanta
Paul PIerce stays in Boston
LeBron is leaning towards staying in Cleveland
Wade not jumping on LeBron’s wagon and just might stay in Miami
and Chris Bosh still sits on the fence
No movement on David Lee
No movement on Ray Allen
No Movement on Al Jefferson
and Amare goes to the Knicks……
so far…….not much has transpired…except Sheed retires and he was already retired most of last season
ohh yeah and we can either get a 38 year old Shrek/Shaq or a 34 year old dirty cry-baby named Miller…
wake me if something happens
Is it Soup Yet?
does that make big baby
fiona then?
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
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by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Master Po. I know you would not let us down…..lol.
by JPV on Jul 6, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe LeBron stays in Cleveland
What does Cleveland’s roster look like if he stays?
How good will they be?
Any better than NY? I don’t think so.
Worst case scenario he goes to NY with Amare and recruits more talent in the near future, IMO. They could win fifty games with a couple more roll players and be a tough out in the playoffs. Let’s face it, if your on the fence about signing with a team, joining LeBron and Amare in NY is not a bad option.
Well the Cavs are trying to get Bosh to join Lebron
But hopefully…..Bosh ends up in Houston through s&t, Wade stays in Miami w/ prob Boozer and Lebron stays with the Cavs.
Shaq
If Bron signs in Cleve and the Cavs trade for Bosh (which is being rumored), I would think that the Cavs would then resign Shaq, they still have ihis Bird Rights so they wouldn’t have to use the MLE. They could use that and the Vet Min to fill out there roster.
Sign Shaq and trade Sheed
Shaq for the MLE for 1 or 2 years.
Sheed, and maybe another player, for the best wing player we can aquire.
Perk runs the floor better than Shaq but Shaq is not prone to dribble first like Perk before putting it in the hoop. Shaq can still rebound as well. If we can get him for the MLE, do it. He must remember Kobe’s comment after the finals about having more rings than him. That enough should be motivation to sign with us, unless he goes back to Cleveland if James does. Question then is, who can we afford to back him up until Perk returns??
I think Big Baby would be able to back up Shaq
If we were able to turn Sheed’s contract into a PF (Josh Smith maybe?). Of course, then we would still have to find a way to get a back-up wing to spell Pierce and Ray.
nevermind
Just saw how much Josh Smith makes (13mil). We would probably have to include BBD in that trade
Yeah....Sheed + Baby would get us Josh Smith
and as much as I like Baby….I would do that trade.
Josh Smith plays above the rim
and Big Baby does not – of course the flip side is Big Baby is getting more out of less, because he has much more heart. At the end of the day, I think Smith would be a huge upgrade though…Rondo would be throwing alleys to Smith every other time down the court. Is this really a realistic option?
by jakeshuttlesworth on Jul 6, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Davis but if we can use him to get Josh Smith, you have to do it. Davis has heart for sure, but his size hurts us against the likes of Gasol. And let’s face it, that is why Doc, PP and eventually Ray keep the band together….to get back at the Lakers.
by JPV on Jul 6, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Love Davis' heart and Smith's focus has varied
at times – life being a kid for a long time. But he is an elite defender at SF/PF. He is not a good shooter, but has learned to stop pretending that he is. He was the Hawks best all around player last year. Maybe the Hawks would deal him, but I would think they’d want more value than just cap relief.
Either way … if you take Sheed and (for instance) just sign Michael Finley for 1 year, 3 million … and send cash along with it, you could get close to Josh Smith level … not that he is a viable target.
I admire the Patriots, but I LOVE the Sox.
I hadn't heard that Atlanta was looking to dump Smith ...
It’s an interesting discussion, but can someone fill me in on whether it’s just fan speculation, or is there some talk that ATL wants to move him?
sign and trade and keep BB
Give TA a nice contract that would allow the trade to work and include Sheed’s contract. It would be worth it. Bringing in Josh Smith off the bench with Shaq and BB. I really like the Sawq idea. MLE for Shaq and another big for the Vet Min.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot see Davis as our back up center. He was forced to do that in Game 7 and it did not work out to well for us.
by JPV on Jul 6, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
he wont be
Shaq will be our back up in the Playoffs and BB will be at the 4 and sometimes but rarely the 3 when we go big. Shaq and BB will share minutes behind Perk and KG.
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by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
my sleeper pick for back up wing is....
Rashaul Butler, formerly of the Clippers
Mike Miller
there I said it. Better IQ then Butler and better shot. Butler is a shot 1st 2nd 3rd options. Not great for a player that can barley crack 40% FGM.
Jeffrey M Melhorn
I would take Mike Miller over Butler too...
but I think Miller will want full MLE or very close to it and Ainge won’t end up wanting to give it all to him. So he will explore other options and end up at, as you say, 3rd or 4th option on Butler. That’s why I said sleeper pick, no one’s mentioned him.
I'm just not a big Mike Miler fan
There is something about his game that just makes me think he is not the type of player you want on a serious team. Don’t think we’d be getting very much “D” out of him.
I Agree
Love to see us use the MLE on Outlaw. We’d have a very athletic wing player to spell PP or Ray and then we could bring back TA for more insurance and defense. Love to see Rondo, TA and Outlaw on the break.
Maybe we could find another young player for Rasheeds contract. By adding 2 youngs player plus Bradley. Also, in watching the Summer League, Harongody certainly surprised me with his shooting and overall game. He might be a stretch 4 type player. If we could work this scenario we’d be well in to rebuilding the team, and remain a Championship contender, especially with the Big 3 still very productive.
As for bigs, no one seem aware that there are a lot of bigs out there that would sign for the Vet Min. Big Z, Theo Ratliff (second go around), Fabrico Oberto, J. Oneal (?), Kurt Thomas, Tony Battie, Earl Barron, Etan Thomas, Jarron Collins, Jowan Howard, Kwame Brown (who it appears Danny has talked to) and there are others. Yes we need more length, but Perk will be back, so if we signed 2 of these guys and with Erden we’d have 3 people to replace Perk (until his return) and Rasheed.
Why is nobody else on the Udonis Haslem bandwagon with me?
I’m not saying he’s the guy to target with Sheed’s contract, bc he’s an unrestricted FA and Miami has no reason to do a sign and trade with us to make it happen. But for the MLE Haslem seems like the best big out there. He plays great D, hits 15 footers like a machine, and is still well in his prime. What’s not to like?
That said, I can see the obvious hole we have at center and understand why some people are clamoring for big guys. But Josh Smith doesn’t solve our problems at center, either, and he’s not really a realistic option. Haslem, though, seems like a perfect fit with the C’s. Am I crazy?
by milt palacio's shot on Jul 6, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
Haslem won't HURT you...
Which is, actually, a big plus for him…
Maybe?
The only problem is he’s still only about 6’7" . Against big teams such as the Lakers he be up against Bynum and Gasol and we’d probably still get killed on the boards. Besides we already have an undersized PF in BBD he kinds of duplicates him.
Sheed is the man!
I will remember how he broke his back, helping us in the finals! even though we did not win this guy was a warrior in the playoffs.
Time to go enjoy time with your family sheed! good luck
Milt...
I’m on the bandwagon with ya!!!! Go Udonis!!!!
A lot of positives from this news
1) The team will probably try for most of the 2010-2011 regular season, which will give me something to watch.
2) We can use the MLE to possibly get Shaq, who I think will fit in better with this team from a strategy standpoint.
3) Getting Shaq frees up BBD in a trade, and he’s a pretty good trade asset.
4) Sheed’s retiring contract really does have a lot of value, especially if we package it with cash, Davis, low costs guys, etc. I doubt we can get Josh Smith, but if so… wow.. I’d do that all day.
I think with Pierce’s restructured contract the ownership now has a good amount of extra $$ to spend on a player we get back in a Sheed trade, and this could help us to get younger too!
One question is: Do all these FAs staying with their teams decrease the value of Sheed's contract
Because there could be lots of teams out there with cap space who otherwise (if they had signed FAs) might have been looking for ways to cut some salary in order to avoid the luxury tax.
I guess what I’m asking is, can anyone break down which teams may be desperate to shave salary in the next few weeks (based on their actual roster salary, not just “teams with players I like”), and what can those teams send back in return for Sheed?
Here's One Maybe
How about Sheed and BBD for Emeka. NO is trying to get rid of Emeka and his big contract. The guy plays big and would be a nice young Big for our retooling and can contribute right now. He’s not a great scorer but a terror on the boards. He can outlet to Rondo to start the break. I like this scenario!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another Possibility
Yes, I’m replying to my own post.
Rasheed and BBD to GS for Beidrins and Anthony Randolph. I can’t believe that GS would do this but they seem intent on getting rid of Beidrins, maybe there are dumb enough to throw in Randolph.
Or Rasheed and a resigned Michael Finley plus some cash might get Beidrins. I know a lot of people here don’t like the guy, but 2 years ago he was a nightly double/double. Yes, he’s a horrible free throw shooter, but you gotta take the good with the bad.
Another
Yup, another reply to my own post.
Rasheed straight up for Marvin Williams. the only issue is the guy has 4 years left on his current deal and has not turned into the superstar that everyone expected. Course, he played for Atlanta and they seems to be dysfunctional to me. Lots of one-on-one by the guards. Can’t really say I ever saw them run any kind of offense, mostly a school yard team. Maybe with some structure the guy would reach his potential, plus the Big 3 to mentor him couldn’t hurt.
would you call this iSchizo
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by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, Badax!
Those are all interesting scenarios. I think of the three, Emeka and Biedrins seem most interesting to me. The Cs don’t necessarily need great offense from the 5 spot (and thank god they don’t, because much as I love him, Perk ain’t bringin it). But, man, they could use some rebounding defenders.
If ,you don't like Marvin Williams' contract...
Then you’ll hate Biedrins’
He’s signed for the next four years at $9M per….
Trade him for Beasley and Chalmers!
Why not… Thought I’d pop in my 2 cents….
Another
Rasheed for Hasheem Thabeet. Course, this is a gamble, but at least it’s a 7 ft gamble. The good news is that we’d have his rights and could dump him by not picking up his option or flip him again possibly as an expiring contract if we didn’t pickup his option.
its a win win to me
if we trade sheeds contract and another player if need be, we could get a valuable big or a wing player.
if he stays then we need one less big. We all saw how unproductive he can be during the season but he is another big body that we need.
The only way the Celtics don’t get ahead is if we cant trade him for some reason or he decides to retire a Celtic
It's obvious
The Celtics still need to replace James Posey. So however they do it, they need to find someone who can defend and is great at roaming and hitting 3’s (nate just doesn’t fill this role).

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