So, How About Kwame?
by Jeff Clark on Jul 6, 2010 6:03 PM EDT
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PrintGotta love Danny Ainge's fascination with tall, talented former lottery pick busts. Move over Patrick O'Bryant, Robert Swift, Shelden Williams and others. Bring on the Kwame Brown era!
BostonHerald.com - Cs to meet with Kwame Brown
As a testament to the Celtics' willingness to kick the tires of every big man who might help the cause, Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers have set up a meeting with Kwame Brown tomorrow in Orlando.
"We're checking out a lot of possibilities - it's still very early in the process," Danny Ainge said today of what is certain to be a broad casting call for big men, including Shaquille O'Neal.
Ainge said he has not set up a meeting, to this point, with O'Neal.
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But after four NBA teams (Wizards, Lakers, Grizzlies, Pistons), Brown is simply attempting to catch on as an experienced backup.
"He lives pretty close to (the Orlando Summer League), so he's going to drive down to meet with Danny and Doc," said agent Mark Bartelstein. "They want to get to know him a little bit."
The Celtics' desire to meet with another of Bartelstein's clients - veteran center Brad Miller - is on hold while the rest of the market waits for LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to make decisions.
"A lot with Brad will come into play when all of that happens," said Bartelstein, who confirmed that a team with a lot more money to spend than the Celtics - Houston - has significant interest in Miller.
Hey, for the vet minimum, I'd be on board for another experiment. Ainge has to hit paydirt one of these days, right?
Our own Jimmy Toscano had this to say about the situation:
I think I speak for most Celtics fans when I say that Kwame Brown isn't exactly what we had in mind when talking about filling out the roster. Shaquille O'Neal, however, is intriguing. There are pros and cons to having Shaq lace them up for the C's, but I would be all for it.
First of all, taking a look at the available free agent Centers this offseason could make you cringe. There just simply isn't a lot of talent available to the Celtics (Kwame Brown?). Shaq is a proven winner, and there's no doubt he wants another ring after watching Kobe Bryant win his fifth. While he is obviously not close to the dominating player he once was in this league, he can still get the job done and fill in nicely for Perkins at least while he is rehabbing and working his way back. For the most part, Shaq and Perkins have a similiar inside game. I don't see how Shaq would slow up the Celtics much more than Perkins would. And it would be a short term deal, something that would be necessary for the Celtics.
As far as Brown goes, I really hope the Celtics don't expect him to have a much bigger role than Shelden Williamsor Brian Scalabrine did last season. If that is the case, and Ainge can get Brown for cheap, then we really can't complain too much.
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Brown would be a better choice
over Shelden. Brown is not a great pick up,but would be a upgrade over Shelden I think.
have you watched brown play this past couple days?
hes actually a pretty good low post defender, sth scal is not even close to.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 7, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
he's younger thats a start
he has the size and girth to defend and would only be a backup up so for teh vet min id take a chance on him.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions
No thanks.
Brown has been pretty disappointing for every team he’s played for. I’d rather keep Shelden.
hes a good defender. maybe not terrific, but pretty good
hes been disappointing because hes the NO1 pick and he sucks on the offensive end from day one. def a better defender than sheldon.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 7, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Get rid of Shelden
and why is Kwame an option! No to either one!
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
No, please, no
I suspect it is a favor to his agent, and they have nothing to lose since he can just drive over. I would not put a whole lot of stock in this.
Although, if I had to choose between Kwame and The Big Dumby, I’ll take Kwame. The Big DWeasel is a pain the posterior.
"simul justus et peccator"
Relax everyone
Brown came off the bench for limited minutes in Detroit, no reason to believe that still won’t be the case here. If Brown comes off the bench and provides anything more than Williams or Scalabrine did, what’s the problem? Is everyone forgetting the starting PF on the C’s, Kevin Garnett? I dare Brown to slack off with him in sight.
yup
brown off the bench instead of sheldon gives us an extra 2-3 inches in size and several extra pounds. he’s still young too at 27 and runs ok which could work out well on fast breaks if and when he’s in teh game. for the vet minimum what could it hurt, especially given teh options that are out there for us.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jul 6, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As did Pattie O'Blount....
… and 95% of the players in Minnesota at the end of his time there. KG’s attitude can only influence those who want to be influenced.
Remember, too, how badly Kwame responded to Jordan’s constant beatdowns.
I still dont want him
even if he plays only 2 seconds. Put in a young C at the end of the bench. Semih can really benefit from playing alongside KG. Say No to Kwame!
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? Semih Erden over Kwame? You don't mean that.
by Jimmy Toscano on Jul 6, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that's a good one
Master Po, I must admit I’m not a regular admirer of your humor but THAT was a good one.
I do
Kwame had his chance and Semih still has potential to learn, adjust and get better. Ill take my chances with the guy who can get better. Kwame is only going to get worse.
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with standards
Its a choice that has to be made as far as who gets the 3rd spot on the depth chart for C position.
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How about finding someone to take the 1st spot before we talk about 2nd or 3rd?
Lets figure out who will be starting at the center position.
Perkins will start
just not for the first half of reg season. 2nd option will be signed through vet min, hence the brad miller, shaq, haywood and every other C in the NBA rumors.
This article is about the 3rd spot…..
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries
Neither one will be playing much come playoffs.
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
You essentially need two players capable of starting at the Center position for an extended period of time, one of them being Perkins. Therefore, the Celtics won’t be able to just throw a vet-minimum player in the starting lineup for 40+ games or there will be problems. None of the players you listed (miller, shaq, hayward) in the rumors are vet minimum guys- they are all much more than that.
but yes, kwame/erden is an argument for the 3rd+ spot, however erden at the 3RD spot is scary at this point. Rather have him as the 14th or 15th guy on the roster.
by Jimmy Toscano on Jul 6, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
gosh
the players i mentioned are just examples. The back up C spot will be signed via MLE or trades using sheeds contract. Miller, Shaq and Haywood all fall in the category. The biggest problem with finding a back up C and temp starter for the reg season is that there are not too many good options. this is why kwame has entered the discussion.
Vet min will be used for a guy like Kwame. Semih just signed for a year so if Kwame or whoever they sign would be for the vet min. Both will end up as the 14th and 15th on the roster. Unless they make a trade. I ’d like to see who DA is looking to trade for.
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
For vet min let's try
And shaq too(at vet min too)!! we need to replace sheed retiring and perkins injuried… and maybe even shelden williams could be useful to re-sign at least for an expiring contract!
by Stefano Icecuber on Jul 7, 2010 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions
What choices we have....."More Tea Alice"?
Shrek/ShaQ ….Dirty Crybaby Miller……The Big Bust Kwame……or Sherwin Butter Hands Williams…..
Alice….. please do wake me when we come back up out of the rabbit hole
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And there he is, in the Clearance section. Wow.
But Jimmy T nails it: What can we lose, and with KG, you really think he’ll slack THAT much?
I’d prefer Shaq, though.
Did Kwame not slack with Michael Jordan and Kobe bryant as teammates?
did KG have an impace on Patrick O bryant, or even sheldon williams? still not understanding this theory
so with KG as a teammate, kwame will finally realize his potential and start playing differently? lol
I'm not going to disagree but
in Shelden and O’Bryant’s cases, maybe the problem wasn’t slacking so much as lack of potential?
There must be a lot of lack of potential for big guys picked in the top ten
Kwame – #1 pick
O’Bryant – # 9 pick
Sheldon – # 5 pick
Darko – # 2 pick
going back a few years
Pervis Ellison – #1 pick (had potential but was physically fragile)
Eric Montross – #9 pick
Of course, there’s also something to be said about talent scouts and their ability to actually see real talent. There’s an argument to be made in either case.
For the C’s, it’s either more a case of slim pickins or desperate times call for desperate measures.
these players you cited are busts
but many of them are NOT lack of potential. kwame got picked #1 because of his potential. O’bryant still has a lot of potential just never seem to be able to develop it. darko is very talented but just does have the right mindset.
by friedgreentomatoes on Jul 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Done!
And it might be cooler down here. (Today.)
My not so impossible depth chart.
Rondo/Bradley
Barbosa/ T. Allen/
Pierce/T. Allen/ M. Miller
Josh Smith/Garnett/K. Brown
S. Oneal/ Perkins (atleast till perks back)
by farias on Jul 6, 2010 8:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Dude...that is the definition of impossible.
First of all, Josh Smith does not want to come here. It’s laughable you even put him into the equation. Barbosa would not fit into anything we do here. He’s a fast break player at best. Shaq is a possibility as well as Mike Miller. However we can only afford one of them. I’m not a huge fan of Kwame, but anything is better than Sheldon.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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If nothing is worth dying for, then nothing is worth living for.
~Chuck Coleson
Bad/small hands
I think Kwame brown has small hands. That is a big disadvantage for a rebounder. It also means he has bad hands. Nothing more frustrating than that.
thenation, you are correct that Lebron James is the biggest free agent in the history of professional sports.
As far as Kwame Brown, I don’t want him on the team. Aside from his small/soft hands issues, his game just makes me sad. His sorry career should serve as a cautionary tale to other young men who have small, delicate little hands and no basketball ability but decide to join the NBA anyway. As a society it is something we have to address
why all the negativity
Your just taking a chance on him…. sign him to a non-guaranteed contract for the year and if he does well we have nothing to lose
Kwame
he just attracts negativity. lol
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a funny situation
Last season Kwame would have been our third option at the center (or our 5th or 6th best big) and to think that this guy may potentially be starting for us next season until Perk comes back…………. I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
by Scal4theallstargame on Jul 6, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
I approve of this move....
LOL. Kwame Brown…..LOL
Oh wait, is this a real story?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Why do these Celtic fans want two former Laker bigs
Theyre drooling over Shaq and actually want to give Kwame a shot
"Kobe or LeBron? quite frankly, I dont give a damn."
it would make a better story
when the celtics beat the lakers for their 18th title with help from former lakers. i would imagine kobe would enjoy that very much.
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
For the vet min....
and as our 3rd string center (replacing Shelden) maybe…
he is fairly young , has nice length and bulk.
As our back up to Perk…I hope Danny keeps looking.
But seriously, folks
I think the Kendrick Perkins situation is the biggest challenge facing the Celtics next season. Even when he returns I wonder how effective he’ll be. Even with him we were starting to get killed on the boards. Oy.
Boston Haterism
Yeah, Kwame sucks, as as first overall pick, as a starter, even as a solid rotation player, but as a 3rd string vet min player who is NOT going mouth off to KG (believe me) he’d be a good gamble. If he does bring ‘negativity’ he’d be gone, cut, bought out, whatever. Who cares that he sat on the Laker bench….when they lost to the Cs!
Also, Shaq is the best the Cs are going to do for the MLE, they need a big body to rebound and clog the middle, sounds like a fit. And he really wants to beat the Lakers and Kobe, who cares if he played for them 10 years ago? Shaq stop thinking of himself as a Laker when they chose Kobe over him.
I like Shaq also
Hope he can see the big picture and take the MLE to sign with the Celtics!
Natural abilities are like natural plants; they need pruning by study.
by CeesinLAgot18 on Jul 6, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you honestly think that Kwame Brown can help us???
I like Hakim Warrick, Reggie Evans, Leon Powe, et al.
I wonder what Tyson Chandlers situation is these days.
Take Kwame only if there are no other options out there this side of Antione Walker or Vin Baker.
Boston Celtics - 2008 World Champions
Uh...
Pretty sure Hakim Warrick just sign somewhere, or an agreement was reached (yesterday or the day before). Reggie Evans, I though was still under contract, I saw him on some 2010-2011 salary list yesterday. Leon Powe’s option was picked up by Cleveland.
warrick signed 4 year deal with the suns
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
"…traded as many times this summer as a bad hooker’s phone number at a Vegas convention of Proctologists ."
by remembering9ergods on Jul 7, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Kwame?
Mikki Moore 2. Younger but not better.
hmm
i would take Vet min K. Brown over full MLE B.Miller
now if B miller willing to take vet min then it’s a different story
Shaq ... as a backup ??
I don’t think he is ready for that. He sitll feels he can start somewhere.
He would start here
If we brought Shaq in it would be as a starter…for half the season at least. Then when he gets tired half way through the season, Perk comes back and starts as they split time and both get limited minutes to prepare for #18.
The guy is too big of a cancer
I live in DC, so I was exposed to this guy during his “best” years. The guy has no mental toughness. If you look at the Celtics’ roster from 1-15 for the last three years, Mental toughness, passion, humility and unselfishness have all been a constant. Well, Patrick O’ Bryant might be an exception. But he was just there.
Kwame is a head case that needs to be controlled. Sure, the vets are there to put him in his place. Maybe like we did Rasheed or Nate, but those guys were worth the effort. This guy is not.
why not....
he is not worth alot can play defence nd not hard to get(who else but ainge will go after kwame?)
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