Shaq and Garnett...I'll be the one to say it
OK, I'll be the one to say it.
I know Shaq and KG will be a combined 74 years old before the season ends. I know both have shown wear-and-tear in recent years. I know Shaq has had arguably a negative impact on his last few teams. And I know that we don't want to rely upon two grumpy old men to play 38 minutes per game for 100 games...because they can't.
I know this.
That said.
On any given night, Garnett and Shaq will be the point-blank best big-man combo in the NBA.
And I don't mean best in a "well, they can compete with Bynum/Gasol" kind of way. No, I mean that there will be nights when they are by FAR the best big-man combo in the NBA. Throw in Jermaine O'Neal and maybe Perk to round out the crew, and there will be entire games that our frontcourt win just by being dominant.
The biggest question to me is, how often will this happen and for how long. Because the answer could very legitimately be "not that often" and/or "for very short periods". We don't know how often Shaq will even play with KG, because if Jermaine and then later Perk start and KG continues to play 30 minutes/game in the regular season there won't be much overlap at all. We don't know if they'll stay healthy. We don't know if there will be minutes or ego issues. We just don't know.
That said.
If Shaq actually starts? If he actually is able and willing to fit into his role on the starting unit and Doc decides to put him there? If they enjoy a modicum of health in the season, and actually go into the postseason having had time to mesh as a unit?
Danger.
Because Shaq and Garnett are still, currently, two of the top-5 best passing bigs in the NBA (Gasol, maybe Duncan, maybe 1 or 2 others I'm forgetting are their only peers on that front).
Garnett is still the best defensive power forward in the league, with the defensive range to help minimize Shaq's relative immobility. While Shaq is still huge, which makes him still one of the better 1-on-1 post defenders in the league and able to clog the lane when the ball goes up.
And when the ball is thrown down to them on the blocks, Shaq and Garnett are still among the most difficult 1-on-1 covers at their position in the league.
Put that together and you're looking at one of the dominant team-defenses in the league now combined with an offense with incredible potential. No more playing 3.5 against 5 as opposing defenses play off of Perk and sag off of Rondo's jumper. No more Dwight Howard roaming the lane with impunity to help out his weaker defensive counterparts. No, now you're looking at a team that really has extremely difficult-to-stop 1-on-1 matchups at every position...all of which can pass at a high level to find the open man...driven by a point guard that can drive at will and either get-to-the-rim or drop-a-dime to an excellent finisher at each position...with 2 of the best shooting wings in the NBA...with two of the best finishing bigs in the league up front...
Danger.
And then there's this: though old, these two have each at some point been the best basketball player alive. My dad and his friends used to always quote this expression: "I'm not the man that I once was, but I'm still all the man, once, that I ever was." Shaq and KG can't turn it up all-the-way and leave it there like they used to. They might not even (Shaq especially) have the desire to try to turn it up in the regular season outside of special cases.
But in the big games? In the postseason, when we're facing off with Superman II in Orlando? Or against the Super Friends in Miami? Or against the nemesis in LA? We've gone from having a frontline that can hold their own against any frontline to one that can dominate ANY for any given game. Possibly even for any given series.
I don't think many, even among Celtics fans, realize what we might have here. And again, there are a lot of "ifs" before we really know how it'll work. But on my last trip to Vegas, I saw the Heat at 1:1 to win the title and the Lakers at 3:1. I put some reasonable money on the Celtics at 12:1...and this was well before they signed Shaq. Let's just say that today, right now, I'm feeling pretty good about my investment.
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Well let's look at it from this standpoint
Shaq, Perkins and Jermaine can’t be on the floor at the same time. You can say that Jermaine can run the 4 spot, but really KG and Davis are going to be in those positions for the games.
So that really means that the pairings are going to be either Shaq/KG or J.O./KG or Shaq/Davis or J.O./Davis. Then Doc has a big decision to make when Perkins gets healthy.
Does Perkins get back the starting spot? If so, who’s coming off the bench Shaq or J.O.?
There needs to be chemistry, and that will be a problem for you around Jan/Feb. But Doc better be able to figure it out by the time April rolls around.
Meanwhile, Bynum/Gasol will have been playing together for a lot longer (granted there’s a big “IF” about Bynum’s health. But the Lakers also have Lamar Odom, who can bring the ball up and create a mismatch in the 4 spot. Lots of thinking to do for Doc.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
I don't see that as the problem at all
Perk won’t even be close to 100% come playoffs….. there is no way Perk is back to full form this season…… He might be able to come back and play hard for MAYBE 15 minutes a game…..
BUT It takes months for players that are big to get their legs back after sitting for months…. STamina is easily lost, but VERY VERY hard to get back. SO having Perk compete for 30 minutes a game isn’t an issue at all…. He wont be able to play that hard physically….. And Perk is going to want to win…. Perk already knows the Celtics success is based upon players sacrificing and coming together to win. So basically everyone will get all the minutes their body can handle.
Shaq isn’t a 30 minute player a game anymore….. especially during the regualr season on a night-in and night-out basis……. Jermaine and GLen seem to be the only ones who are capable (Mostly Glen) to put up 30 minutes a game consistantly during the regualr season….
And with rondo on the floor… with any of the starters and/or our back-ups…. thats still a team that can make it back to playoffs…..
Come playoffs….. the match ups will determine who plays more…. our big-men have such different styles… our variety of styles can play and match-up favorbaly against any team.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 11, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
POST-SEASON...
I completely agree with the post…. They will be the most dominant in the NBA when both are on the floor!!!!!
But who cares about if they don’t even play more than 10 mintes together during games in the regular season…..
THE CELTICS ARE A “PLAYOFF” TEAM!!!!
Our team is good enough to get to the playoffs by using Rondo as the regular season star with flashes of excellence from Ray and Pierce…. WIth Jermaine and Glen contributing occasionally enough to win games….
But come playoffs….. The True Celtic Structure will be revealed!
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Agree 100%....
about how the C’s are built for the playoffs.
We may have ups and downs in the regular season again, but the team is being constructed for playoff time…when it counts the most.
I think the key next year (just like last year) will be to keep the old core players like Shaq and KG as rested and healthy as possible ...
in the regular season so they can enter the playoffs as healthy and rested as can be.
Doc did a great job of reducing minutes last year and the C’s entered the playoffs with a very rested and healthy team…but bad luck struck when Sheed tweaked his back and Perk blew out his knee.
Even though players like Shaq and KG will be older then their counter parts in the playoffs, if rested and healthy they still I think will be very effective players for opposing teams to match up against.
Though I am biased as a Celtic fan I would not trade the front line of KG-Perk-Jermaine – Shaq and Baby with any other front line in basketball for the short term because I think they could very well be if rested and healthy the most effective big man rotation in the NBA next year, which gives them a great shot at least I think for a strong title run next year.
You guys are living in the past...
Get a calendar…it is no longer 2002!
If KG and Shaq paired up in 2002...
…we’d be looking at the start of a 5-peat, even with just role players around them. In 2010 they can’t do it alone anymore…thankfully, they don’t have to. But put them on a team that also features Pierce, Rondo, Allen, J. O’Neal, Robinson, and maybe Perk as well…DANGER!
Hey Gloomy Gus
Go team up with Debbie Downer and bring your negativity to some other team.
I`m just being realistic...
Shaq`s market value is that of a “veteran minimum player”, and there is no evidence that any team other than Boston was even interested in him at that price.
What does that tell you as to how 30 GM`s view him in 2010?
As for KG, he was last seen pulling down 3 rebounds in Game 7 of the NBA Finals…exactly 12 rebounds less than Kobe {6 inches shorter} had that same night!
I wish very much KG & Shaq still had their skill level from 2002, but that is no longer the case.
Are only “cheerleaders” allowed to post here now?
Everyone is allowed to post...
…but your realistic and mine don’t agree.
Re: Shaq’s market value – there are very few teams for which Shaq would currently fit. No non-contender makes sense, which limits the market to only a handful of teams. And most of those teams either a) already have young franchise centers (Howard, Bynum), b) have been personally alienated by Shaq (LAL, Miami, Orlando), or c) don’t play a style in which Shaq fits. Thus, I’m not concerned with the market for Shaq…I’m only concerned with how he fits in here. And Boston has a team that Shaq should fit into very well, but was smart enough not to bid against themselves for him.
Re: KG. KG was last seen dominating every PF he faced through the first 3 rounds, then playing Gasol to a standstill over 7 games (each had peaks and valleys, but on the whole they essentially canceled each other out head-to-head). This is the Gasol that many are annointing as possibly the best current PF in the NBA.
Again, if KG and Shaq had their skill level from 2002 putting them together would be the story of the league, even above the LeBron/Wade pairing. But with their skill levels, on this team, even in 2010 this is worthy of excitement (and I really think many are sleeping on this one). Realistically.

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