Glen Davis Not Thinking About Expiring Contract
by Greg Payne on Aug 16, 2010 7:24 PM EDT
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PrintSpeaking with The Boston Globe's Julian Benbow at the Plummer Home for Boys in Salem, Massachusetts, Glen Davis touched on a number of topics, including his contract expiring at the end of the season, the addition of Shaquille O'Neal, and which areas the Celtics can improve in next season.
As far as his contract is concerned (he's entering the final year of his most recent extension), Davis isn't dwelling on it too much:
I don't think about contract. When you think about contract, that's when you really don't focus on what you need to focus on. I'm just trying to focus on helping my team get back to the Finals and winning it.
Remember the thumb injury Davis suffered in an off-the-court altercation just prior to the start of last season? Well, he says the days of the incidents and borderline immaturity are behind him, particularly as a player:
This is the year of finally hitting that line of maturity of finally becoming that player that I knew I could be. This is the year of just all-around. Throughout my career, my three years being here, it's been up and down. When I play, you've seen glimpses, like, ‘Wow, this guy could start. Or come off the bench.' Glimpses up and down. But this is the year of Glen becoming that whole player that 10 years down the road, eight years down the road will hopefully be an all-star.
Davis would also like to see a greater sense of urgency from his squad this coming season:
More of a sense of urgency throughout the year, but at the same time being healthy. Because being [injured] kind of hurt us. Also, having a sense of urgency hurt us because we didn't have it as much as we should have. We've got some things to work on. We know we're capable of getting there.
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sounds like
he was one of the people in the locker room last year that wasn’t exactly on board with the ‘coasting through the regular season’ approach. good for him. team could use a sense of urgency
Cap Space Killer
Signing BBD to a 5/6M contract will eat into our cap space for the summer of 2012. Currently, we are commited to 28M for Rondo, PP, and Bradley (if we pickup his option). If you add BBD for 5M that takes us to 33M. Then what about Perk who I believe is more valuable than Baby? Probably 8-10M brings us to 41-43M. 2 more 1st rd picks about 3M equal 44-46M. And 5-6 cap holds that us to 46-49M. That doesn’t leave much for FAs.
I guess the big issue is BBD a starter or just a rotation/sub and can he be a star. IMO he simply a role player and not a starter due to his height and not a star. But I’m certain that BBD wants and is try to earn starters money and will go to who ever offers it to him. Further, I believe that Harongody duplicates BBD, although with a different skill set – they are both basically undersized PFs – BBD more inside oriented and LH more of an outside stretch 3. BBD certainly has a proven track record that LH doesn’t have today.
The question is not just simply resigning BBD. The question is how do we retool the team and replace Ray, KG and (and eventaully PP) building a championship team around Rondo. Signing BBD to a 5-6M contract doesn’t seem to leave us the flexibility to sign FAs in 2012.
I like BBD, but I believe that his value to this team may be as a trade chip either bringing back a player, combined with other players for a star (Camelo maybe?) or maybe an extra 1st round draft choice with LH replacing him later this year or next year. I also believe that once Perk gets back that most of his minutes will be gobbled up by the other Bigs – Perk, KG, Shaq and JO.
I’m not against signing BBD, but there are consequences if he’s signed, which includes either no or very little cap space in 2012.
Market Value
I think Davis learned there are too many questions on him out there in Basketball, people just aren’t going to pay major money for an undersized PF who has trouble finishing around the rim.
Even after the incredible playoffs he had against Orlando he couldn’t cash in, and ended up coming back to sign for 3mil/year. I highly doubt, given the question about his maturity, and how much he struggled a lot of last year, he’ll find a market more than maybe 4mil a year. Unless he has a truly dynamic year, and I’m talking 6th man of the year type numbers. Other than that, he’ll top out at about 4mil in value.
He’s a great back up big man, but doesn’t have the skill set for the starting job.
pretty much concur with Sizzlak and baddax33
The only quibble I might have is that I don’t see LH and BBD as that pure of an overlap. While both are ‘tweeners’ in height and position, BBD is more of a 4/5 while LH is more of a 3/4.
I totally agree about the cap space problems and also agree that if Perk comes back healthy, that BBD is the one who is likely to be the odd man out in the big-man rotation.
BBD has to recognize that the next 6 months are probably the most crucial for his career. If he is going to earn a big contract, it is in the window before Perk comes back. During that time he is going to be the first backup to KG. If he does well during that time, he’ll keep minutes in that role even after Perk comes back. Otherwise, those minutes will got to JO. And if BBD finishes the year buried on the bench, his market leverage will be severely reduced.
LH can't play 3.
He has the range to do it, but he’s not mobile enough to guard anyone at the 3. They’ll run circles around him.
He’s a 6’8 guy who moves like a 7fter, but he’ll find a niche in the league if he can do the intangibles. Doc loves him because he does all the little things, he has inventive ways of scoring that are basically indefensible. He used his body well to rebound, he does the fundamentals right. And he had NBA 3-pt range, as he proved in Summer league, so will have some ability to play as a stretch 4. He just simply cannot stay with the foot speed other teams have at the 3 though.
He’s like BBD in the way that he’s an intangibles type player, he’s unlike BBD in the way that he has better range.
I commented to that affect elsewhere.
Offensively, Harangody fits as a 3. Defensively, he only works there if he doesn’t get caught in a transition game.
My main point about LH is that, other than being a ‘tweener’ that overlaps the 4, he is not redundant with BBD. BBD is a post-out player. LH is a perimeter-in player.
You are Not giving Baby credit!
If he improves his game from last season and plays consistently all year than he does deserve 5 mil a year. If he does everything i just said then he could already be a starter on Non-contenders.
2012 is going to suck as far as free agency goes. Every good player is signing an extension.
Plus Danny will not use the Bucks model(over pay non-all stars) to build a future contender, he will do what he did to build our current Championship team, Draft smart and Only spend on free agency when we are ready to chase the ring. Danny loves to have multiple picks, as we’ve seen during the dark years.
agreed
it all depends on how he performs this year. If he can show the same hustle as he did at the end of last year in addition to the jumper that he seemed to have in the 2009 playoffs, I could see him earning 4-4.5 per year. no more than 3 years though. I wouldn’t mind keeping him past 2012 if he shows consistancy and progress in his game.
He does have a ceiling as a player that’s too short for PF never mind Center.
big contract year
I expect him to have a good year for a new contract. Despite saying he isn’t thinking about the contract, he seems like the type of player who could use that extra motivation to be smarter and to help control his emotions when appropriate this season. Plus he’ll want to show he’s worth a big contract after not getting it last time. I just hope he doesn’t fool us with a Mark Blount-type contract year and year after.
we have his bird rights
maybe if he learns to use his body like charles barkley did for rebounds he can start for us or be our 6th man forever ether is fine
i’d give him i’d give him 20 mill for 4 years
this
Celtics could spend over the cap for him through bird rights. It is still depending on how he will perform this year.
Bird rights wont matter when their under the cap.
When they have cap space available in 2012, resigning him will eat into that. Bird rights only applies when you’re over the cap. Once you’re under the cap, you can’t just go sign a bunch of guys, fill the cap, then use bird rights to resign your own players.
Correct
But if they decide to resign him it will occur next offseason. Boston will be well over the cap again next season which will make utilizing his Bird rights a necessity if he is to be resigned.
by King Coebra on Aug 17, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
but that misses the point.
Yes they will be over the cap this/next year and can use bird rights to sign him to whatever they want now.
But after 2012, when KG, Ray, JO, Shaq & everybody else’s contracts all come off the books, we’ll drop under the cap – except if we have a big contract hanging around for BBD, that will eat into our cap space then.
Danny is being very frugal about contracts past 2012 – currently he only has 3. He’ll almost certainly extend Perkins. After that, he’s got to preserve as much cap room as possible if he wants to re-tool this team with FAs (or via trades of expirings during 2011-2012).
True.
If they want to resign him next year, yes, they can use his bird rights to do so. But that will eat into the cap number in 2012, so that was my point. Which is why I really don’t see the Celtics going over 4mil/year, and might not even go that high if Luke really develops this year and looks like he’ll be able to fill that role (and is already signed for a LOT less money.)
Bottom line is there just might not be room for Davis on next years Celtics, at least not at the money he’ll probably want. It’ll hurt to see him go though, love the guy.
No
I don’t believe I did miss the point. In this branch of the thread the discussion is in regards to using Davis’ Bird Rights to be able to resign him next year. Sizzlack’s post is somewhat misleading in that it implies the C’s will not be over the cap next year and therefore Bird rights do not figure into the decision. I was attempting to clarify that point.
I simply stated that IF the Celtics decide to resign him next offseason they will need to do so by utilizing his Bird Rights because they will, in fact, be well over the cap.
Whether or not they resign him and how well his contract fits under the long term plans of the team are another topic altogether.
I see what you are saying now.
Both you and Sizzlack were perhaps too cryptic.
I think that Sizzlack has a point that the fact that they will have (and would need to use) his Bird rights is sort of not a useful point of discussion. They can’t sign him at all without them.
The real questions are indeed the questions of ‘How much?’ and ‘How long’ and ‘Should they?’
Yeah I would hope that at the end of the year the 4 players we will have past the kg era will be rondo, perk, baby and pierce
by Warrior Spirit on Aug 16, 2010 10:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
With his salary dependent on his production this year and the coming playoffs.
by Warrior Spirit on Aug 16, 2010 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Baby is a "keeper"!
Fearless…good rebounder…a “wrecking ball” in the paint….clutch player….has developed a decent jumper, etc.
$5-6 million per year? No NBA team will offer him that.
I love Big Baby
.. and as I’ve said since we got him in the draft/trade – when I get a dog I will name him Big Baby. Probably a bassett hound.
Also liked (in the ESPN story that was removed from the net a few weeks ago)
The Lebron-athon that happened in Vegas, the article said that Big Baby was walking by and watched Lebron making an arse of himself and shook his head and kept it moving.
That’s something when a ham like Big Baby is disgusted.
Ahhhhh yeah....
The “year of Glen”. I cannot wait.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Aug 17, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
It could be.
The next 6-8 months are probably the most important to his career ever. If BBD wants the brass ring, this is the time he has to go out and prove himself to be worth it.
+1
Absolutely true, this should be the year we were expecting last year, the same will be true for Daniels. This is why the 50ish wins people are predicting for the Celtics I think is way off. Consistent bench play from Robinson, Daniels, Baby, Wafer, and Oneal will mean more rest for the starters, more energy to close out games, and a greater ability to stay healthy as their bodies wont be put through the ringer as much. The Celtics will win 60 games this year, write that down.
But, the sad truth is Davis and Quisy will be playing for their contracts, so while they’ll do amazing and benefit the Celtics greatly, they’ll be gone next year. Let’s hope they leave town with a ring on their finger at least.
Baby is awesome and glad he's on our team.
Hope he is with us next year as a starter, but if not here and somewhere else,
I’ll have myself a new team to root for. Yeah, I love Big Baby!
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