2010 Offseason Timeline (So Far)
by Greg Payne on Aug 2, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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PrintAs if losing Game 7 of the NBA Finals to the Los Angeles Lakers wasn't dreadful enough, the Boston Celtics were suddenly immersed in waves of uncertainty over the immediate futures of several prominent members of the organization. Would head coach Doc Rivers return, or elect to head home and spend more time with his family? Would Paul Pierce opt out of the final year of his contract and seek a new team? What did Ray Allen's future hold? And how long would it take Kendrick Perkins to recover from a torn right ACL?
Not only did it probably decide the series outcome, but it obviously has had a huge impact on how Danny has had to approach the offseason, especially combined with Sheed's retirement.
"I thought it was a great move picking up Jermaine [O'Neal], giving us an inside presence in case Rasheed [Wallace] retires, but sometimes I'm looking at all the players signing and wish we would get on the ball a little bit," Pierce said. "I trust in Danny [Ainge] to put a good team around us, but I'm sitting here watching all these good players fall to other teams."
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Perhaps you guys will engage in a trade very soon?
Otherwise signign folks at the veterans min. doesn’t seem too appealing.
It's not that I'm 'unhappy' with it.
I was a little disappointed with the size and scope of Pierce’s contract, wished a more exciting new guy had made it here, been disappointed that Miami came together the way it did, been interested in Hassan or some other available taller rookie.
But the keep-it-together-for-one-more-go approach is a valid one, it may have been their best option, and Danny’s probably doing a pretty good job with opportunities he’s had. I’m trusting in it.
Are you talking about this Kwame?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xMHJddPIM
“…..my name is Kwame, and if you didn’t know I’m gonna tell you that I’m a, mellow cool brutha, slicker than oil, rap gets so hot it makes the spit boil……..”
no choice
It was re-up with what we had or punt and be in the lottery.Heck,losing Tony Allen put us in a spot where we had to sign Daniels.How sad is that.O’neil was are one bit of cash & Sheed’s contract is our one chip,which we’ve yet to use.
Danny will have ending deals come Feb -Perk,Daniels,Vet min guys etc and guys on 2 yr deals-Ray,O’Neil,Nate etc which can make Danny a player in trades.It’s a long time till the playoffs but we’re stuck for now,which might not be a bad thing
February Changes
I don’t think any move we’ve made in February has really been effective except for the signing of PJ Brown and hopefully Nate Robinson. It’s too late in a season for a player to come here because of the team mentality. Players like Nate Robinson really need to become unselfish and in trying to so so they often become ineffective. Also, they never really get to learn the offense and especially the defense. A deal at this time of the year really requires a quality veteran, but Micheal Finley didn’t work out. Thus, I see Danny staying with what comes out of training camp and the first month or so of the season. One player may be added in Feb, but that will just be a gamble and it won’t have a real impact either way. As to making deals, in thinking about next year, that doesn’t seem to be an effective choice. We need to play for this year and let the future take care of itself. That decision seems to already have been make.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Not Alot Danny Could Have Done
I think it was wise to stay with the core of the team. I never thought Ray Allen would leave and when Pierce opted out I expected him to stay and that this was more of a technical contractual thing than his actually wanting to leave.
I don’t mourn the loss of Tony Allen. I still think Marquis Daniels can play the way we want.
I like the Nate Robinson signing (although I wouldn’t have said this before actually seeing him play on a real team for the first time).
I’m ambivalent about Jermaine O’Neil, but he’s probably the best Big out there, including Shaq, who could play here. I’ve never really seen him play against any other Center than Perk, so I don’t really know how good he really is. Perk has a way of making people look bad.
There are certainly alot of ifs about next year. I don’t expect Perk to be Perk this season.
I think we need another quality big, but I don’t think that exists. If Shaq comes here for short dollars, which he probably won’t, he can give us 15 good minutes at the right time. I’m not sure what he’d do to the chemistry as he needs to have the spotlite on him and it’s often his off-court presence which I think is what he’s really interested in.
I think we are contenders, but so much will depend on the bench, if KG can really get healthy and if we can get anything from Perk in the post-season.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
We still have Rasheed's contract. That is our biggest asset.
Once Danny makes a trade with that contract, our off-season will be complete. At that point we can all judge the off-season.
Thus far, re-signing Doc, Ray and Paul were HUGE signings for the organization.
DA had Avery Bradley rated very highly as a prospect. Hmmm. I remember the last guard DA drafted- Rajon Rondo.
Getting Jermaine O’Neal was a big addition, as was re-signing Nate.
I think we would have all preferred a different wing than Marquis, but only because he didn’t perform after the injury. This guy was key in our 26-5 start. If he stays healthy, he will be much better this season.
Von Wafer? seriously? I don’t know if we are finished adding winds or if he is a 5th wing pickup. Low risk, high reward player. If he regains his 2008 form with Houston, we have an asset.
What do we get for Rasheed’s contract? That will be the linchpin of the off-season. IF We acquire Rudy and Pryzbilla or will it be for Shaq? Or is there another deal out there that will knock our socks off? Lets wait and see.
Leon Powe
I like Pryzbilla in those mentioned above. I think we need a high energy big with more height than Baby, who will play alot of center. I don’t see why we need Fernandez.. I wish we could get some GM to give away a player for nothing such as Gasol to LA. GM’s don’t seem to like to do that with the Celts. Hopefully Danny has something going which isn’t on the radar. I think we need one more really good player to have a chance of winning it all.
I mention Leon because he was effective for us. I don’t know if he can still play and I don’t know if he’s a free agent. I think Cleveland screwed him by signing him last year, not playing him and only taking him away from us. We offered the same deal as Cleveland, but Leon or his agent were probably miffed because we didn’t make an offer sooner. If Leon can play, I wouldn’t mind seeing him here even if there is a height problem. He can score and he sure is an energy player.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
DA didn't draft Rondo. Kerr of the suns did I believe..
the few, the proud, the boston celtics
by bleedgreen34 on Aug 2, 2010 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah. You are right. Rondo was drafted by the Suns and then traded to the Celtics along with Briant Grant for a first round pick in the next years draft.
The Once and Future King
No he was drafted by Ainge via Phoenix
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Right. So he was officially drafted by Phoenix. Then traded.
Exactly what I said.
The Once and Future King
If we roll this back up to the original post by SCBirdman33
then clearly the intent is to reference Danny’s choices at PG. The fact that Rondo was ‘officially’ drafted by Phoenix is irrelevant. They didn’t choose Rondo. They drafted the player of Danny’s choice.
Just like we drafted the player of Seattle’s choice in the 2007 draft prior to trading him to the Sonics for Ray Allen.
The main point being simply that Kerr doesn’t deserve ‘credit’ for choosing Rondo – DA does.
It was a prearranged deal
Just like Perk being drafted by Memphis (Jerry West) and Glen Davis with Seattle.
this topic can't be discussed until danny trades sheeds contract
and i’d love to get me that jr smith from denever. he we would be a geat lock down defender and can score in bunches. add another big man (reserve) and let doc sail this ship to banner 18
I am ecstatic that Doc and the starting five have been brought back.
O’Neal was a very good addition to get us through this year with Perk injured, but I do think we need another big man. Shaq would be my choice, but I would not be heartbroken if ‘Sheed changed his mind and came back for the stretch run . I re-watched game 7 of the finals and was amazed by how well ’Sheed played. I would like to see Delonte in Green again…read that the Lakers are showing interest in him. He has issues, but is his issues haven’t affected his play noticeably and he is a good backup at a couple of positions, however, that said, I hope the rookies earn some play time this year. (Guess I can’t have both).
Only ONE good thing has happened this off-season...
Rasheed Wallace has retired!!!!
what are you talking about?
rasheed was huge for us in the playoffs, starting game 3 of the cavs series he made a huge impact and without him i dont think we would have had the run we did.. he also played huge in games 7 of the finals which we lost but thats wasnt because of him, he played amazing.. sure he sucked in the regular season but luckily celtics are in a place where regular season doesnt matter as much, thats for the non contenders
by Dr.Greenthumb on Aug 2, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sheed`s "amazing" 2010 playoff performance!!
6 PPG…3 RPG….416% FG….34% 3PT
Shocking he didn`t win the playoff MVP!!!
yeah, those really tell the story ... not
For the playoffs, Boston’s offensive efficiency rating was 104.8 and it’s defensive efficiency rating was 101.7.
When ’Sheed was on the floor those numbers were 106 and 100, respectively. Clearly, he was one of our better players during those 24 games that almost lead to a championship.
No one is claiming he was an ‘MVP’ – that is called a ‘straw man’.
We simply are pointing out that he was very valuable and effective for the Celtics and not jumping for joy (like you, apparently) that he is gone.
Forget the efficiency and rating and his numbers!
Just watch the entire playoffs to remind you how valuable he was. From his intensity, his tenacious defense of Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol. His physicality, his timely 3 point shots all through out the playoffs, playing with a bad back in the Finals in which he was stellar! Intangibles that you cant even see in the stat sheets. Not even Jermaine’s signing can replace all that, but I guess you’ll have to settle for JO now and hope now would you!!
Not a fan of JO....but it`s impossible for him to be worse than Wallace!
Hated the Wallace signing from Day 1…and he did absolutely nothing all year long to cause me to change my mind.
By the playoffs, your expectations of Wallace had to be rock-bottom if you were actually “impressed” by his post-season play.
So long, Sheed….no NBA team needs fat, old, out-of-shape, lazy slobs!
Nice to know you had an open mind all along.
And you obviously know more than Doc & Danny.
Kinda wierd how that fat lazy slob Sheed managed to get to the NBA Finals multiple times.
Sheed WAS very good 10 years ago with Portland...
But, that was “then”…this is “now”!
Pretty amazing what Ainge has done in a 1.5 months.
Drafted Bradley and GOAT-y
Signed Pierce
Signed Ray Allen
Signed JO – upgrade
Signed Nate
Signed Daniels
Signed a the big stiff (name??) who cares.
I’ll be interested to see what he does with Sheed’s corpse. : )
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Forgot about Doc as well, amazing.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Great article, Greg -but you are missing one important event.
The Game 6 injury to Perk.
Not only did it probably decide the series outcome, but it obviously has had a huge impact on how Danny has had to approach the off season, especially combined with Sheed’s retirement.
I might even say it has probably colored somewhat the way many other teams and players have approached the off season as every one in the NBA is clearly aware of the Celtic’s sudden lack of depth at the C position.
I Will Miss the D
Two of the best moments of the finals were Sheed just shoving Gasol, pretty much tackling him, and T Allen just frustrating the hell of out of Kobe by being a part of double-teams to slow him down. I felt like both had some dedicated hustle.
Am I the only person who wants Sheed to come back? I love the fuzzy beard, the absolute outrage and drama his whining had (who else would run around the court, mouth widddeee open, yelling in protest), and even the occasional knockdown three from the top of the key. I thought he was entertaining at the very least.
If I wanted to watch unemotional players who quietly grind out wins while I fall asleep, I’d watch the Spurs. I gota need for Sheed!!!
I would love Sheed to come back as well
he’s better than 90% of the bigs coming off the bench in the NBA this season.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
I'm gonna miss Sheed's wicked wierd curling, twisting post moves
When he did play down low, he was soooo effective with those. If Perk could pickup just a couple of those moves …
Nice job assembling this little primer of the Celtics offseason. Helps put some of the moves into perspective, as opposed to reading about them as they’re happening.
by 18isGREATERthan72 on Aug 2, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
Let's hope you add the following:
Shaq signed. Rudy traded for with #1 pick & OL/TG. Sheed coming back.
That’ll get us banner #18 and maybe even #19! Then DA can rebuild!…Go Cs…
Sheed
Can’t understand those who were disappointed by Sheed. He did just what he came here for. And don’t forget, he played that last game with a bad back and had to take a seat several times because of it. Regardless of that he played as hard as you would want anyone to play. I’d like to see him back, but I don’t think his back would allow it. I also think he’s had his fill of basketball and just wants to be with his family. I thank him for what he added to the team.
I think he appeared to some (or many) during the season to lack any passion or that he didn’t play hard or that he just wanted to take threes. I think Sheed is just one of those players that makes things look easy. He had great hands and timing. I think he played way more under the basket and was very efficient there, both offensively and defensively. I don’t think he settled for threes because it was easier. One of the reasons he was bought here was to spread the floor, in other words, take the threes. I repeat, he did just what he was brought here to do and he did it very well. To me he was a hero in Game 7.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Wrong on Sheed
Sorry, TrueGreen, I’ve seen this argument before (perhaps by you), but I don’t buy it. It doesn’t add up. She was not hired to mail it in for the regular season and then to turn it on for the playoffs. You could easily argue that if Sheed has gotten off his lazy butt and played more inspired ball we could have secured a higher seed in the playoffs, gotten more of a homecourt advantage, finished off a few teams more quickly and then been fresher for the Lakers.
I’m not saying that’s WOULD have happened, I’m saying that’s what COULD have happened. You can spin us coming up six minutes short against the Lakers a few different ways. Me, I’m going to go ahead and bite the bullet and chalk it up to a great playoff run and being felled by Perk’s knee injury and not Sheed’s lazy regular season and belated playoff inspiration. But I could rightly go in the other direction.
The man phoned in the regular season. Please cop to at least that.
Nope. Don't agree.
Sheed shot way below his career average from beyond the 3PT arc. And unfortunately until we got Finley, our offense sorta kept requiring him to take more threes than you or I might like.
But outside of that, Sheed did not ‘mail it in’. He posted decent stats in pretty much every other category. In particulare on defense he was at or better than his career averages in every category – and this is for a guy who’s career was defined by defense. He posted the 4th best defensive efficiency rating of any player with > 1500 minutes. You don’t do that by being a lazy slob who just ‘mailed it in’.
YOU may think he ‘mailed it in’ based on YOUR subjective interpretation of .. what? His body language? What, exactly? Whatever – a lot of us simply disagree with you. The coaches he played for disagree with you. The players who played with him and against him disagree with you. The objective numbers that measure what he did, disagree with you.
He wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes. He drew too many technicals. And his overall offense suffered due to his low 3PT% (it improved dramatically late in the year when we added Finley which allowed Sheed to stay inside on the second team). But overall, his value was very much positive. He was paid to be our first big off the bench and he did a fine job at that.
Sheed
I’m with mmmmm and don’t agree with Big_Easy. I don’t believe that Sheed “mailed it in” during the regular season. As any new player with this team he and Doc were trying to find the correct role for him. As I said above, Sheed makes things look easy and people take that for lack of effort. I’m not saying he played as a “crazed” energy guy, but he did what was expected of him. We also don’t know when his back started bothering him and we don’t know if he had any other injuries that affected him. Whether this was the case or not Sheed did his job.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Nate Robinson on 'Sheed:
From: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4676070/robinson-on-sheed
SLAM: After Game 7 of the Finals, Kevin Garnett said that Rasheed Wallace came into the locker room and gave his thanks and regards and that it was very emotional.
Nate Robinson: It was. Sheed is one of my all-time favorites, regardless of the techs. He speaks his mind and that is what I love about him. I have so much respect for him because if something isn’t right, he will let you know. He’s like that all the time. That was the one person who I would look to for advice and he always gave me his honest opinion whether I liked it or not. As a player he worked everyday. He came in and shot early, leave late. The main thing about him is he wanted to win. He has a ring but wanted to go out with a bang. We tried to go out with a championship but unfortunately we didn’t. The speech that he gave, saying stuff like he wouldn’t of had it any other way besides going to war with the guys that were in that locker room with us. It touched everybody. We were heartbroken that we didn’t win it for him. Of course I wanted to win my first championship but I wanted to win because I have looked up to Sheed since college. I played against his AAU team in Philly. My mom used to do his wife’s hair—my mom is a hair stylist. So I’ve known Sheed for a while, since I was real young. Playing alongside him was awesome. It was a dream come true. I just wish the tables were turned and we would have won that championship because I honestly believe if we would have won, Sheed would have played another year. One more year with Sheed.
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