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Reserve Roles: Avery Bradley or Von Wafer?

Based on everything we've read and heard, Avery Bradley and Von Wafer are two different types of basketball players, with two specific strengths: Bradley's regarded for his defense, while Wafer's known for his offense. Despite the apparent differences in their games, entering training camp, both players could very well be competing for the backup two-guard spot. 

While there are immediate doubts surrounding Bradley's potential contributions this coming season because he's a 19-year old unproven rookie coming off of offseason ankle surgery, he could still garner consideration and possibly obtain an edge because he's a defensive-minded player on a defensive-minded team. We've seen in years past examples of talented players not finding the court because they haven't bought into the Celtics' defensive schemes, with the most recent example coming just this past season in Nate Robinson. The only reason Robinson was given minutes late in the playoffs this past season was because he began to play the defense Doc Rivers was looking for. 

We don't have a large enough sample size to make an accurate assessment of Wafer's defense, so I don't want to discredit him in this area too much too soon. We really don't know too much about Wafer in general, besides the fact that the 6'5 guard was a serviceable payer for the Houston Rockets during the 2008-2009 season, when he averaged 9.7 points per game and shot 39 percent from three-point nation. But when the initial reports of the Celtics signing Wafer rolled in, the talk focused almost entirely on his offense and three-point shooting, and the lack of discussion regarding his defense said to me that we weren't signing a defensive-oriented guard. 

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In an interview with HoopsWorld earlier this summer, Wafer acknowledged the importance of buying into the Celtics' defensive-schemes:

"I'm just going to go in and try to learn all of the defensive schemes because I know that's going to be big, depending on how much they utilize me."

Bradley, meanwhile, has already been lauded by Rivers for his defense. Here's what he had to say on draft night:

"I like his speed," Rivers said. "He has unbelievable speed. He has a good in-between game. He can make the spot-up jump shots. He's an NBA defender right now. He can play point guard defense on anybody in the league and that's huge for us."

Notice, though, how Doc said 'point guard defense', which actually highlights one of the reasons why Bradley might not find time at the off-guard spot this coming season. 

Bradley stands at 6'2, or 6'3, depending on which reports you read. His size could put him at a disadvantage at the position, especially when coupled with the in-all-likelihood backup point guard, Robinson, who stands at a mere 5'9. Those hoping Bradley can help to sure up the defensive gap left behind by the departed Tony Allen might not be realistic about the situation. After all, Allen helped to guard the Dwyane Wades, LeBron James', and Kobe Bryants of the world, all of whom stand at 6'4 or taller. 

Much like Wafer's defense is in question right now, Bradley's offensive game hasn't been explicitly explained just yet. Supposedly he can knock down open jump shots, but does he possess NBA three-point range? Is he a catch-and-shoot kind of guy? Does he shoot well off the dribble? Etc. We're not sure just yet, and the initial analysis praised his defense, for a specific reason. Right now, that appears to be the strongest part of his game. If he was a superb offensive player, or the next Ray Allen, or something like that, we would have undoubtedly heard about it by now. The same goes for Wafer and his defense. If he were great in that regard, we would know. 

As a result of these uncertainties, Wafer most likely holds the edge over Bradley heading into training camp. His actual NBA experience and playoff experience are nice bonuses, as well. You certainly can't blame the Celtics for wanting to add an offensive-oriented player like Wafer (most likely to add with the also offensive-oriented Robinson in the back court?), considering they ranked just 15th in the league in points per possession last season. Also, and I do hate to rip open old wounds, but the Celtics' fourth quarter collapse in Game 7 of the Finals had a lot to do with the team's inability to score points, particularly late in the third quarter and midway through the fourth. 

Boston went scoreless from the 2:12 mark of the third period to the 9:03 mark of the fourth frame (a 5 minute and nine second span), and again from the 6:28 mark of the fourth to the 3:45 mark of the fourth (a 2 minute and 43 second gap in which the Lakers assumed control). Wafer should be able to help in these areas, but that doesn't give him a free pass on the defensive end. He's going to have to adjust to the team's defensive schemes at some point, in some capacity, but if the overall offense is sputtering and Wafer can serve as a shot of adrenaline, it wouldn't shock me to see him get a slightly longer leash on defense. 

Of course, this point could become mute if Doc decides to stick one of the starters (most likely Ray Allen) in with the second unit. But, if Doc is serious once again about limiting the minutes of certain players, he'll have to strongly consider going with a full bench brigade as his second unit. As of right now, Wafer seems to hold the edge at the two-guard spot. 

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If the blazers trade us Rudy for our 11 first round pick i think Bradley will have the edge, because Wafer is the same type of player as Rudy they can both knock down shots and 3’s but i think Rudys defense is better. And we have Bradley who can play defense on smaller 2 guards like D Wade. So then we would have defense out of Bradley, shooting and a little bit of D out of Rudy and Both D and O from Marquis. That seems like a good bench to have backing up Allen and Pierce. And also if Nate gets injured we can move Bradley to back up point guard and Wafer to fill in for Bradley at the 2

by celticsox937 on Aug 23, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going with AB

AB should play over Wafer because he was a steal in the draft and he’s part of the future.Who expects wafer to be hear for long?If AB was 6’5 this wouldn’t be a discussion.They say they like his defense but his offense isn’t bad either. Plus coming out of high school he was ranked in the top 5 in the county by 3 different websites so why would we sit him on the bench. Now i do think Wafer should play over marquis because we all know marquis will get injured which is why i don’t know why we brought him back. The guy misses 30 games a season for bs injures. Wafer should take his playing time.

by CelticsHoorah!!! on Aug 23, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a 19 Kid

Who labeled him the steal of the draft? Haven’t seen that anywhere. Won’t really know until the season starts. Right now I’d say the Harongody is the steal of the draft for his play in the summer league.

However, the bottom line is that Bradley is still just a KID playing with grown men. He is a 19 year old rookie who just had surgery. I would expect him to get some play, but not a whole lot. I expect him to log time in the D League and not part of the 2nd team. That’s a more realistic goal IMO. I would love to see him EARN playing time this year, but I’m just not expecting that to happen.

by badax33 on Aug 23, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well i guess you didn’t watch any of the draft coverage because if you did you would know that Jay Balis said the same thing im saying about Bradley. Luke Harongody’s gonna be good but out of the two of them he would be in the dleague way before AB will. Harongody almost went undrafted and he stayed for 4 years. Who stays for 4 years in college basketball. NOBODY. On top of that he’s competing with the oneals baby and perk. If AB would have stayed another year at Texas he would have went in the top 10.You wanna talk about age every one who gets drafted is young. John Wall is 19 too. Its gonna come down to doc letting him play which he should

by CelticsHoorah!!! on Aug 23, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I did

And as I remember, Jay Bilas had him ranked 14 or 15 and we got him at 19 not that far from where Bilas had him rated. And yes, he hyped him as they usually do by saying that at one point he was rated higher than John Wall. That doesn’t really mean anything. Jay Bilas also said that Gerald Green was a STEAL in 2005 and he’s playing in Russia or JR Giddens was a GREAT pick in 2008 and he’s also out of the league as we speak.

I would love to see him be a rotation player, I just don’t see it. He’s a 19 year old kid, 6’2’, 180 lbs (those are official HT/WT from NBA combine) and just had ankle surgery. I know, it was minor surgery – BTW the definition of minor surgery is surgery to you not me.

The difference between him and Wafer are he’s 25, 6’5", 210 Lbs and average 9.7 for Houston in the NBA 2 years ago. That’s kinds of a big difference IMHO!!!!!!!! And yes there are issues with him also, that’s why Danny is still looking for another wing player. Wafer can match up with Kobe, DWade, Kevin Martin, Andre Iguadola or those type people. I can’t see AB doing that right now. Can you?

BTW there were 15 NOBODYs drafted in 2010 – that’s seniors to you. And 14 Jrs were also drafted.

As for Doc letting him play, this is the NBA – No Boys Allowed – you earn Playing Time, it is not given to you like Rec League or he’ll get garbage time like any other rookie. Again I hope he can contrbute from Day One, I just have much lower expectations for rookies, especially very young rookies on a championship team.

by badax33 on Aug 23, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you have game you should play period…..

by juanpan on Aug 23, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know that AB is the steal just yet.

But the one that I can tell will be a steal is Damien James, that kid put on a scoring show during the summer league, and im angry to say this but the lakers got 2 late round studs!

by businessbmw on Aug 24, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope that the "closing window" will slightly alter some of Doc's habits

with regards to playing (or rather, not playing) younger players.

Right now, with Bradley and Harangody, the Celts have an opportunity to develop some young players within the C’s offensive and defensive systems, to “home grow” part of the future of this team. With the window closing, Doc, Danny and the rest of the brain trust need to really think about the feasibility of balancing the Quest for 18 with laying the foundation for 19, 20, 21, etc., etc., ad infinitum!

Give the youngsters some minutes, Doc!

by Hal Jordan on Aug 23, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Wafer and Bradley; they'll both get their chances.

And perhaps so will Harangody and Gaffney (or whoever fills that spot).

by no kidding on Aug 23, 2010 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

If it's Bradley, it'll be because Wafer crumbled

and it’ll be bad news for the Cs.

The kid’s 19, and he’s 6’3", 180. Name another player of similar age and size who’s made an important contribution to a team that reached the Finals. Can’t think of one within the last 10 years.

Kobe was a solid backup at that age, but I don’t think anybody sees AB as being at that level. And, Kobe was quite a bit longer. We can’t expect even TA-level offense from AB, and he won’t be as strong or savvy on defense as TA. He’s a little fortunate, in that the game no longer favors post-up offense from guards, but still. If he’s in, the grown-ups will find ways to abuse him.

by Sophomore on Aug 23, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

NONE

DELONTE WEST IS B ETTER FROM THESE GUYS AT THIS MOMENT….

by Ante Gamisou on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Different players

Bradley is Nate with Size or TA with a shot and PG skills. Either way he is competing with Nate more than Wafer. No he does not have TA’s size and toughness; however he is close – and he plays in control. He has won some dunk contests so he can finish and he is a good shooter. Question is if he can play PG. Wafer is a slasher as well as a shooter and is more versatile than people give him credit for. He is a more legit TA replacement if he can turn up the heat on the defensive end. He and Marquis will be spelling Pierce and Allen.

Would rather see a second line of Bradley, Wafer and Daniels better size and defense than with Nate.

by Green is Good on Aug 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Neither

Doc won’t play Bradley. And Wafer can’t be that much of a steal that everyone passed on him.

Don’t forget also with regard to Bradley that he hasn’t played all Summer. Even if there were plans of playing him early in the season, he’s going to be even more behind due to the surgery.

I think Nate will play more with Rondo than either Wafer or Bradley being on the floor at all. And I don’t see that as a positive either.

by amenhotep04 on Aug 24, 2010 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

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