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Semih Erden Watch

With Rondo out of the Worlds, Semih Erden is the only Celtic playing competitive basketball.  So here's an update on how he's doing from Chris Forsberg.

Erden Watch: Ivory Coast, Russia - Boston Celtics Blog - ESPN Boston

On Saturday, Erden registered six points on 2-of-6 shooting with four rebounds and a block over 19 minutes off the bench in an 86-47 thrashing of Ivory Coast. On Sunday, Erden chipped in nine points on 3-of-6 shooting with five rebounds, and a block over 20 reserve minutes in a 65-56 triumph over Russia. Erden did lead his team in turnovers both nights (three in each game).

Also see: Erden Watch: Argentina (exhibition) - Boston Celtics Blog - ESPN Boston

And in related news, SLAM Online lists the top 50 FIBA players.  Semih does not appear on the list.  In fact, he doesn't even show up in the honorable mention part.  A few of his Turkey teammates do make the list.  Including Omer Asik.  The note on him mentions Erden and it isn't favorable:

Omer Asik, Turkey: Don't get he and his also-NBA-bound teammate Semih Erden confused. Asik (Bulls) is the one who actually belongs in the League. The Celtics will soon learn that Erden does not.

With the O'Neal brothers in town plus Kendrick Perkins (when he returns), I'm not sure Mr. Erden is going to be on the active roster too many times this season.  He may be spending some extra time with Danny's son in Maine.

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Erden did make the list

The author specifically pointed him out as not ready for the NBA :( I still have hope he can develop when he gets to our camp

by incoherent. on Aug 30, 2010 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I have hopes that Danny can toss Lafayette in any trade. Don’t really care who the hell it is for either.

The Once and Future King

by FlaGators on Aug 30, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

butterfingers

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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk

by mcpu40 on Aug 30, 2010 8:45 AM EDT reply actions  

ah well...

He can always be first off the bench…..giving high fives that is. I mean he’s not really expected to give major minutes anyway.

by japsuki on Aug 30, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

He's an unfinished product.

Anyone looking at him in his current form and judging his NBA readiness is out of their minds. He’s raw talent right now, nothing else. There’s no risk for the Celtics, they don’t need him to see court time till 2012, with the Oneal brothers and Perk, there’s so much depth at Center he wont need to do anything but give a few high times and get some garbage time dunks.

Their looking at him as a reliable reserve Center to back up Perk down the line, that’s about it. He only needs to develop enough to give about 20-25 minutes of reliable minutes. And if he doesn’t, they wont sign him in 2012 and call the experiment a failure, no big deal.

by Sizzlack on Aug 30, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

he's a project, but....

… he’s also already 24 years old. They want to see what he’s got, whether he’s got the potential to become a reliable backup 5, but expectations should be kept pretty low. Get him in camp, see how he matches up physically against NBA big men, see if he’s worth continue to spend time developing, and if not… well, kid was basically a rookie free agent. If they don’t think he can develop into at least a fringe-rotation player, he’ll be cut when his roster spot it needed.

by theBird on Aug 30, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

why do we even have him....I watched him once and thought - he sucks

hey but what do I know…. I mean any guy who can pull down 4 HUGE rebounds in 19 minutes playing that dominationg Ivory Coast team must be one awesome player.

The Ivory coast boys are ranked just two slots below Latvia in the FIBA worl rankings at #40 …… yep he is a great pick-up

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Aug 30, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL, you're talking like we spent the MLE on him

When he’s been in Euro for two or so years since drafted, and I’m not even sure his very minimum contract is guaranteed.

Besdies, with JO, Shaq, and hopefully Perkins sooner rather than later manning the 5 spot, it’s almost like it doesn’t matter if Erden is NBA ready or not. It’s definitely doubtful he’s on the active roster that often, like Jeff pointed out.

by Tai on Aug 30, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh

I see…although I’m not sure who we can get now that will help us without a trade. : )

by Tai on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've already got a free roster spot...

… assuming that neither Gaffney or Lafayette makes the squad. I don’t doubt that Semih would be cut in a heartbeat if a roster spot was needed for a trade or a free agent signing – but at this point, you drafted the kid, might as well give him a contract to get him in camp and see if he’s worth holding onto. If he’s not ready to match up physically at age 24, you might as well cut him.

by theBird on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

He’s only guaranteed about 500k (rounding up) this year. Second year it a non-guaranteed team option. So if needed, they could buy out his contract in a heartbeat it’d only cost them a total of 1mil this year (doubled cause of luxury tax.)

Again, all upside, no risk.

by Sizzlack on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if Wyc wasn't ok with it, he'd of nixed the deal.

If he was worried about the 1mil potential loss if they cut him, he wouldn’t let Danny do it. But Wyc knows it takes money to win. And could you be a fan of a team who’s owner isn’t willing to risk a mere million bucks on developing some talent?

So you’re upset cause… what, Wyc is willing to spend money to make the team better? I don’t get it, where’s your gripe?

by Sizzlack on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah yeah yeah ...I know he is willing to spend money

in 2005 he spent money on Olawakandi, he spent money on Dwayne Jones and big money on Raef Lafrentz (big money). I think in 2006 he spent money on Kevin Pinkney (out of Reno Nevada) In 2007 I think he spent money on Scott “never play” Pollard….and these are just the big men in which Wyc spent his money and got basically nothing in return…it happens. I love Wyc, I simply see another player taking up space (at whatever the cost) who to me looks like a bust.

I trust Eeyore’s opinion so I could have missed something as he has watched him much more than me…..sometimes I am just wrong…. are you?

me and you….we just don’t get along….it happens and sometimes it happens right from the get go ….like you and me

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Aug 30, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be.

I’m not saying he won’t be a bust, and all those examples you just gave are absolutely true. But, all I’m saying is it’s worth the, very limited risk.

In the end, if he’s a bust, so what, all you wasted was a roster spot you had to fill anyway, and 500k (assuming they don’t buy him out to free the spot if a deal materializes at the deadline, costing them 1mil.)

This isn’t baseball and we’re not the Yankees, teams can’t afford to just wait for players to develop and buy them up, that doesn’t work with a salary cap league. You have to take some chances on developing guys. Danny’s been pretty solid with those second round picks so far, and has grabbed a few role players (Baby, Gomes) who worked out to be solid bench players. Really, that’s all their looking for from Erden, no one’s arguing he’ll be the next Gasol. So with those expectations, and knowing if it doesn’t work out, you can easily cut ties with him and move on, I don’t see the problem.

by Sizzlack on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

He showed nothing in the summer league to suggest he could become a rotation player. Slow, bad footwork, bad instincts.

by Sophomore on Aug 30, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see the guy for myself, playing in NBA games.

It always bothers me when I don’t get to see for myself. If reading the remarks of others were enough, then there’d be no point in being a fan.

by no kidding on Aug 30, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

pretty much on point.

Whenever I see these sorts of ‘rankings’, and upon reading see that they are nothing more (or less) than just one writer’s opinion, I don’t put a lot of stock in them.

The chances that Gibson himself has actually personally and deeply scouted all these FIBA players seems pretty small. Not impossible. But not likely.

Most american sports writers (even basketball beat writers) barely have seen very much of a fraction of the top players in the NBA (let alone FIBA) – yet still feel free to toss out rankings, superlatives and criticisms with little to no research upon which to base them, so this is not uncommon.

Lets just say that I have a bit more faith in the scouting talents of Mr. Ainge and his staff. That isn’t saying that Erden will ever amount to much. But if they believe he is at least worth taking a deeper look at him then he probably is – worth taking a deeper look at.

by mmmmm on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Just watched the Turkey v. Russia game

and Erden was very good. His stats do not tell the story. Centers are the strength of the Russian team, and Erden outplayed outplayed (by a little) Mozgov ( who just signed 4yr./$8MM contract with Knicks) and (definitely) Kaun. I would rate this game a solid B+ for Erden.

His defense and rebounding (He got several tips, and rebounds that were nullified by unrelated fouls, etc.) were, in the words of the (knowledgeable) announcer, “outstanding.” He has an NBA-tall frame that can add MUCH more muscle—unlike Omer Asik.

Offensively, all he was asked to do was catch the ball near the rim and stuff it or lay it in. He did that much more efficiently than Perk, and looks like he will be an 80% foul shooter, also waaaay better than Perk. His one attempt to sink a hook from out on the floor was not pretty. He turned 24 yesterday (nice timing, Jeff).

Negatives: his hands are good but not great (“butterfingers” is a gross overstatement); he had a few mental lapses (what rookie-level player doesn’t?); there is reason to question his offensive game.

But everyone who is dissing him will eat their words. He can’t out-compete the Jolly Green Giant this season, but anyone who thinks he can’t be a solid, solid part of the post-lockout year lineup … just aren’t watching the games. Especially Master Po.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Aug 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Eeyore!

I thought Eeyore was supposed to be negative.

I watched Semih in three summer league games, and he didn’t show much. OK, he’s tall. But he was slow – noticeably slower than the bigs he was playing against – with bad footwork and poor instincts. He’s not getting faster; his footwork can improve, but he’s already 24 and he’s already been a professional for a while. If he ever cracks the top 8 or 9 players on the roster the Cs are in trouble.

by Sophomore on Aug 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I’m still not sure what I was thinking when I chose that handle. Gotta get rid of it one of these days.

by Sophomore on Aug 30, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erden looks reasonably quick in that YouTube highlight piece.

Sure, those YouTube clips are very short. But I don’t see how he could be written off as slow, but then occasionally be fast and quick.

(And for what it’s worth, I would keep the “Sophomore” username. You’ve built up an identity with it.)

by no kidding on Aug 30, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first SL game....

… Semih looked bad. But, he was having back issues, and he had just flown into the country. He seemed more comfortable later in the week. We’ll have to see how he looks when he’s matched up against better competition, but he seemed to be reasonably smooth, seemed to be able to get up and down the court, seemed to have some athleticism. He’s obviously not an impact player, but he seemed to show enough to at least get him in camp.

by theBird on Aug 30, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha! No, I think that's Rudy Fernandez you're thinking of.

Rudy would get a very warm welcome from the gals in Boston.

by clover on Aug 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second only to Wally

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Aug 31, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

My goodness...

it’s a long summer.

What’s Pittsnogle up to?

by Raef on Aug 30, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Amen...

The fact that we’re even debating about Semih Erden is kind of ridiculous. Is it October yet?

by Sizzlack on Aug 30, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Shaq working out?

Nothing wrong with a Semih Erden blog. After all the worlds are going on and I think Eeyore’s comments are interesting. I watched him in Summer League and same as Sophmore, saw nothing. But, Master Po, this is not Vin Baker/Raef LaFrenz money mistake. This is NBA chump change at stake. Lighten up on the poor guy.

But, what about Shaq. Is he in Waltham or at the Union Oyster House from 11-3?

by Wildblu1 on Aug 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

erden isnt here becasue he's great on offense, same as perkins

he’s here becasue he can run teh floor and can play good defense. he’s long and can block shots, cut off passing lanes. i dont expect him to be great but i do think he can be a pretty good backup center although probably a few years from now.

getting to work with a good big man coach could do wonders for this kid, being around KG, jermaine, perkins and shaq could also do wonders for him if he gets the chance.

take a look at these summer league highlights and you’ll see why he’s here: defense

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?&p=semih+erden+youtube&vid=141555859721&dt=1198915200&l=18&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D141555859721%26id%3Dfabff1b52c75f32bc602d57367cbbce1%26bid%3D7crTO59t5IpRyA%26bn%3DThumb%26index%3Dch1%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dPIzL2kx3reE&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPIzL2kx3reE&tit=semih+erden&sigr=11ae9j6ra&newfp=1

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

oops

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

..

<a href="http://" >

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

forget it, not working.....it's on youtube if you're interested

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

try this one more time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9EfpH0JRA

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

true but it shows why he's here.

we are loaded with bigs and he wont likely see time this year so lets see what a year of learning does for him.

i understand the roster spot worry but we have 3 spots that wont be active and one open spot that we will fill at some point. why not add a few young guys to develope for “rondo’s team”?

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Aug 30, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

In summer league

none of the bigs got a fair look, because Lafayette was a ball-hog. Parakhouski was about to clock Lafayette at one point. But this is all in other threads.

Greece v. Turkey (only saw 2nd half): Erden gets a solid B. He went 10/2. He was the anti-Shortshanidis (SP.) When he was in the game, Greece stopped scoring. One negative: starting to think he isn’t an out-of-area rebounder. But my basic opinion stays the same.

Po, don’t be clownin’ on my Semi. ;-)

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Aug 31, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Puerto Rico game report (missed first quarter)

1st Half grade: C. The whole team was flat; Semi looked mediocre at best.

2nd half grade: solid B+/A. Semi comes alive to end at 10/6 with a beautiful block, and some fine defensive play.

Negative: PJ Ramos (7’4") is the first guy who Semi hasn’t been able to dominate physically. He was able to front him Semi-successfully, though.

Positive: Semi gets fouled a lot, and he makes his free throws at a high rate. That is a consistent feature of his play.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Sep 1, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Turkey v. China

The game was a slaughter (of China) within the first 10 minutes. Semih went 18/12 with 3 assists and at least 2 blocks. He seemed to thrive in extended garbage time, which in a way is good because that’s when his minutes are likely to come next season.

Positives: Semih is a very good shot blocker, it is becoming clear. Also he made some very nice interior passes. He played extended minutes at the same time as Asik, with Semih at PF, and he demonstrated, as in past games from time to time, that he has the speed to get out and defend the perimeter.

Negatives: on the offensive end, Semih is a dynamite finisher around the rim, but get him a few steps away, where he has to make different kinds of plays, and he is ineffective. Kinda like Dwight Howard. While he doesn’t make many mistakes, when he does it’s often a doozy. He basically wins the Blooper of the Game award 4 nights out of 5. He is quite bad ball handing out on the floor: he thinks he’s Pete Maravich, but he isn’t (although he did take it coast-to-coast once against China and throw down a wicked left-hand slam. But that ain’t gonna work in the NBA.

Semih went 10/6 during the preliminary round. I’m totally bullish on him. When he bulks up and learns to focus better, he’s going to be one of the better backup PF/Cs in the league for a long time.

Question: Can he bulk up enough to get to where he can defend Howard 1 on 1?

NBA Comparison: Dale Davis.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Sep 3, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Turkey v. France

1st half: Semih comes in and France stops scoring, remaining stuck at 12-14. Semih goes 3/2, but basically plays solid defense. France gets nothing at the hoop.

When Semih goes out, France is immediately at the hoop, but forgets to play defense itself, and game is a blowout by halftime. Grade: B+, he did what he had to do to help his team win.

2nd half: unlike China game where Semih shines in garbage time, he doesn’t do much. Turkey goes to him several times on offense, out on the floor, and it yields turnovers. He has difficulty rebounding in traffic. Grade: C.

"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark

by Eeyore III on Sep 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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