Is Danny Done For The Summer?
by Jeff Clark on Aug 6, 2010 7:20 AM EDT
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PrintYes, I know that Danny never sleeps, works free agent deals on vacation, and breaks down game film over his breakfast cereal. But at some point he has to look around and say "I've done as much as I can do for now. Until something else happens there's nothing else to do with the roster."
I don't think he's quite there yet. Along with everyone else, I think he could use one more wing player, though I'm not sure that Larry Hughes is the best option. If he was, that deal would probably be done already. Delonte West is a free agent, but you know, there's ...baggage there to consider.
Ainge has been interested in Rudy Fernandez but there's a report out today saying that he could be in Chicago by Monday. I'm still not sure what to make of Von Wafer, but if Ainge wants to start the season with him and Marquis Daniels coming off the bench for Ray and Paul then there might not be too much else to do. Signing Brian Scalabrine is still an option as well.
As I pointed out before, we might be better served holding on to the Rasheed Wallace contract until the trade deadline where it might be more valuable. And poster the_Bird pointed out to me yesterday that the team might be better served trading Rasheed to a team with cap space in exchange for a trade exception, which we could use anytime in the next year. It would likely require sending cash and a 2nd round pick to get it done, but if a team is done making moves and still has room they might just do it.
We have a roster of 14 if you include Sheed and don't count the non-guaranteed contracts. We can sign Luke Harangody and call it a summer or we could get much more creative with trades and things like that.
So what would you do? What moves would you be trying to make? Feel free to be creative and use the Trade Machine.
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I would love to get a backup SF...
…who can shoot and defend. Battier is my dream choice but I don`t see HOU dealing him in a salary dump. At this point trading Sheed to a team under the cap makes the most sense, because it gives us a trade exception that we can easily use during the season to add another piece…
IMO, there is just one more hole to fill. Someone who can give PP some rest, has the length to defend guys like Lebron and is also able to make the three…
rasheed for andres nocioni
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25wfqvj
might even get a draft pick out of it.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
No thank you.
I would like something more substantial.
I don't like Nocioni either....
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
Although I agree, I don’t think that will happen. However, I did it on tradechecker and it works. Here are some trade that do work and yes some are CREATIVE. I’m not saying the other team would do them but here goes:
Iguodala – Sheed, BBD, Gaffney, Lafayette and 1st Rd pick and cash 5658041.
M Williams – Sheed + 2nd round pick maybe – 5658042.
Ariza – Sheed – 5658043.
Battier – Sheed – 5658044
K. Martin – Sheed, BBD, 1st Rd pick and cash – 5658045.
M Ellis – Sheed, BBD, Cash – 5658046
Emeka – Sheed, BBD 5658078.
Emeka/Wright/Pick – Sheed, BBD, Perk Cash – 5658076
After Dec 15 Block Buster:
Carmelo/Anderson – Sheed, BBd, Perk, Nate and picks 5658061
Carmelo/Balkman – Sheed, BBD, Nate, Daniels, pick(s) cash 5658042.
My preference are the Carmelo deals, Iguodala, M. Williams, Emeka (5658078), and Martin.
Most of the deals I’ve suggested are a win-win. We win now and the players are all young, athletic and can run with Rondo as part of the retooling. Most of the deals do give up cap space in 2 years but the way it is. I hated including Perk in any deal. I didn’t have a problem giving up BBD because I really think and have stated that I think he will be traded this year. He wants a big deal after this season which I don’t thnk Danny will do and I think he is somewhat duplicated by Harangody, even if he’s only a rookie.
I'm not disagreeing with your other premises - but
how are Harangody and BBD ‘duplicates’? BBD is a 4/5 while Harangody is a 3/4. Very different players.
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no rush to fill out roster
This team is loaded already and should be guaranteed a playoff spot. The only thing left for Danny to do, therefore, is to figure out how to make sure the Celtics can get past the Heat (and to a lesser extent the Magic, Bulls). The team’s only glaring weakness is that they don’t have someone to defend LeBron. Pierce could do it in a pinch for a few minutes a game, but having him guard that behemoth all game will make Pierce dreadful on offense (and LeBron will still dominate him).
I agree that they need a player like Shane Battier (ideal), but fortunately they can wait on Houston to make him expendable because they don’t need him right now. So I think Danny is done till the deadline.
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Agreed
I think danny will explore all options, but I think Shaq was the cherry on top of the sunday, a finishing touch.
That said: I do think we may end up missing T-Allen in the season.
Pierce is always the primary defender.
See: Last years playoff series against Cleveland. Yes, of course Pierce struggle offensively, and expect him to again.
But bottom line is Pierce is going to see the most minutes on the floor, and will be guarding LBJ most of that time. A backup SF is the one we bring in when Pierce needs a rest, not a primary option to guard him.
Exactly and they have enough scorers
to pick up the slack for the inevitable dip in his scoring from having to defend LJ.
Exactly will be my word of the day. : )
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still a real need
sf—-daniels does not show any capability to keep tempo up when relieving pierce or allen—a real joke——camelo anthony, bosc, or a kobe like player—but daniels?
Daniels did a fine job substituting for Pierce last year.
The 5-man unit of RR+RA+MD+KG+KP last year was one of our better 5-man units. Just a hair less effective overall than our starting unit of RR+RA+PP+KG+KP.
Do You Think that Productivity...
Had something to do with the other 4 starters being on the floor as well?
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes - but the point is that Daniels fits into that role - subbing for Pierce with those guys.
It is a team game.
Subbing other guys in for Pierce was NOT as successful.
We can't count on daniels during playoffs.....
my point is….. that daniels needs to be productive when those guys aren’t in…. he needs to show he can produce when ray, garnett and rondo aren’t on the floor with him….
he relies on the actual talent on our team…. not on his own.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Right now.
Based on last years performance. No, we can’t.
But if you look at his career stats, and see how he played in Indiana and Dallas, then that’s a while different story.
He was, and still is, a very good player, and actually if he gets back to form, a downright steal at 2.5mil. Don’t forget this guy made mid level money as a starter in Indiana.
Yes - there is no guarantee
but he does have a lot of history as a plus player – including while on THIS team.
Exactly.
Further – I wish folks would stop saying that Pierce’s offense suffered because he was defending Lebron.
In that series, Pierce’s offense ‘suffered’ because Lebron was covering Pierce. And not because Lebron ‘shut Pierce down’. But rather because Ray, KG & Rondo were NOT covered by Lebron. Those guys had real crappy defenders on them so we simply sent all our scoring through those guys and not Pierce.
Lebron was Cleveland’s best man-defender – it made no sense to try to force the ball in through Pierce when we had 3 much better options to attack.
The fact that Pierce was playing defense on Lebron on the other end of the court was irrelevant.
He was Forced to Sit out....
For a lot of minutes that he normally plays…..
Him sitting because of foul trouble effects his offensive game because he has to find his grove again when he comes back out……
Sitting because of fouls can affect a player’s game significantly.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
except that's not what happened
In the Cleveland series, Pierce played less than 31 minutes only once – the last game which was a blowout:
min PF FGA PTS
39:05 3 17 13
32:00 5 10 14
35:32 0 15 11
31:16 5 8 9
41:55 3 21 21
28:32 4 13 13
He only reached 5 fouls twice and otherwise was not in foul trouble.
The key thing is that he only took more than 17 shots once. And that is simply because in those games we were instead running our offense through Ray, Rondo & KG in that series.
I know he played....
But sporatically….
He had to sit most of the first when he would have been playing with two fouls for 2 or three of the games….
he had to sit once or twice during the second with fouls….. this leads to pierce having to play with a unit he is not accustomed to playing with…..
which hurts the chemistry of the unit that is on the floor….
having to sit with fouls hurts team chemistry and the individuals groove during the game. Its very difficult for a player to get back into a groove after sitting with fouls…. You can’t expect him to just come back in and produce automatically with a different unit…. pierce wouold have normally been on the floor with the first unit…. sitting and coming back in the second quarter and playing with the second unit and some players he’s not accustomed to being on the floor with for large miunutes hurts his and doc’s game plan.
Doc doesn’t plan on Pierce sitting with foul-trouble…. he’s a good coach so he has an idea of how to work around foul trouble….. But no one can plan for it…
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
???
But again – he didn’t sit that much. He was not in foul trouble at all in 4 of the 6 games – zero fouls in game 3 – and he played his regular minutes overall. Even the two where he reached 5 fouls, he wasn’t necessarily in ‘trouble’ . He still got over 30 minutes.
You are ignoring or missing the basic point – even when he was on the floor – we simply did not dial his number except in Game 5. Meanwhile – look at the number of shots we had Ray, Rondo and KG take. They had FAR easier defenders to beat.
The point remains – the fact that Pierce was defending Lebron had nothing really to do with his diminished offense. It was, in reality simply the fact that we had better ways to score in that series.
Agreed.
But I think it was a combination of the two things really. Being guarded by Lebron obviously takes it’s toll, he’s got speed, he’s got strength, he’s got athleticism. 4 Years ago Pierce can go head to head with him, but he’s not as quick as he used to be. Still a great player but to put him up against the best SF in Basketball, and one of the most talented ever, is asking a lot.
So a combination of 1) working so hard defensively, and 2) having to try and beat LBJ definitely accounted for his struggles. He did as much in that series as anyone could possibly have asked, and he still effected the game even when he wasn’t scoring baskets. That’s what great teams do, someone else picks it up and gets the points.
sooo
you think guarding the train that is lebron would not wear a man out. he covered a bigger stronger faster younger lebron as close as he could get, draped on the man. of course that will affect his energy and with lebron covering him too, no offense thru pierce. I personally didnt mind as long as lebron was held down.
have you ever played solid defense against someone? it takes energy
well stated.
Pierce did a HELL OF A JOB guarding Lebron…..
So what if he DOES GET a little exhausted on offense…. that is expected.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying it doesn't take energy to guard a big fast guy
but that was simply not what was going on in that series. I have watched each game at least twice (once live once recorded).
We simply had easier ways to score than the have Pierce go through their best defender.
Ray totally outclassed the two guys assigned to cover him. Rondo mostly just owned Williams. And KG completely over matched Jamison. Given those matchup advantages – why the heck wouldn’t you run your offense through them instead? Well, we did, because Doc is not stupid.
Again – I am not saying Pierce may or may not have ‘gotten tired’ – but that had little to to do with his production. The main reason was that we simply didn’t have reason to drive our offense through him as much as we normally do.
Why would you say that PP playing defense on Lebron is irrelevant
PP himself said that it’s very exhausting to guard Lebron and when you’re exhausted like he was, at his age, his productions dipped, so you’re saying to disagree with the man who guarded Lebron? How is that irrelevant.
Pierce defended Lebron Mostly during the Playoffs....
He did a pretty damn good job… His offense did suffer… and sometimes had to sit with fouls….
but none-the-less….. A DAMN GOOD JOB!
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Heck yes it did
He even admitted it himself when questioned about his explosion in the Orlando series. It’s obvious chasing Lebron clearly affected his O. I dont discount that Lebron too is a decent defender but a combination of both factored in it.
Sign Luke...
I would sign luke and play the waiting game until the trade deadline for Rasheed’s contract to be sent away for a good player. If a team decides they want to dump salary now and come calling i will listen and make a move if the deal is something i could agree with.
Sheed's value goes down oncwe seson starts
I think if we keep Sheed we have to hold a roster spot for him and possibly pay him, if we want to trade him before the deadline.
Even if we somehow do not have to do those things, his value will decline to other teams. His value is immediate bottom line relief because he is retiring, as much as creating capspace, In February much less of his salary will remain unpaid, and the difference between Sheed and players with expiring deals will be much less. His market value will be much lower than it is before the season starts.
So best to trade Sheed now, or just let him retire. It may turn out that this is the wrong year to have a retiring contract, because so many teams had created capspace.
By the way, the RealGM trade checker is 1,000 times more fan-friendly than the ESPN trade checker. The ESPN one must have been some by some geek who doesn’t follow basketball.
you wait until camp starts...
If you trade ‘Sheed now, you can bring back his salary + 25%. I’m almost positive (correct me if I’m wrong) that you don’t have that “+25%” kicker with a trade exemption; we’d be able to bring back a player that makes the same as ’Sheed, or less. So, hold onto him until he has to start getting paid.
Getting a trade exemption wouldn’t be a bad outcome, necessarily. As noted, hold onto it until the trade deadline. We’re old, we know that – odds are, someone important’s going to get hurt. Give the rookies a chance to prove whether they deserve some playing time or not. Keep that exemption for one last tweak before the playoffs begin, be it another backup 3, or another big man if Perk’s behind schedule, or another shooting 2-guard if Von doesn’t work out… we’ll know a lot more about what we’ll need for the playoffs by February.
So, if no deal comes to be in the next few weeks, get a trade exception (the cost of doing this trade is a lot less than keeping ‘Sheed on the books, anyway) and sign a vet-min SF (someone you wouldn’t mind cutting if need be) for that last roster spot.
LAST Option...
I truely believe there will be some really decent talent available come deadline time…
If we cant get a deal that works in our favor… i wouldn’t mind seeing that… But i’d be VERY DISSAPPOINTED…..
With the new bargaining agreement coming next season…. some decent players are going to express their dislike for their organization;s productivity and demand a trade to a team that will give them a shot at the playoffs and a title….
Players that want to win can see whats going on in the league now….. Good players are sacrificing their brand to play with other good players in chase of a ring….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade exception.
I really think if Danny can’t find a deal right now, he’ll move the contract for a trade exception, and give up a 2nd rounder in order for a team to rent their cap space.
He wants to free up a spot in order to promote competition in training camp. So doing so will allow him to remove a contract, but still provide him with a tradeable asset come deadline time, if talent becomes available. Then, even if the roster is at 15 (assuming they sing harangody, and fill that last spot with Gaff, Oliver, or Sims, on a non-guaranteed deal) then they could wave the 15th spot and add a player after trading away the exception.
Trade Now???
I’d be very dissappointed… Doc barely lets unproven players get any real minutes anyways…
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
more value after the season starts
Their will be more potential trading partners once the season gets underway and more teams realize they are not as good as they hope and decide need to sell players in favor of cap relief.
Right now, there are too few of trading partners because of unsettled rosters and unrealistic expectations.
Peak value will be near the trading deadline, but once the season starts, Danny should be able to project well before then roughly what teams will likely be looking to move contracts.
the only downside to bring in a new player at the trade deadline
is that player, even if he’s real good, will take time to learn the system, the set plays, the nuances of his teammates, etc. Doc won’t be comfortable playing the guy if his defense isn’t up to standard.
Ideally, I’d like to see the club completely set from day one. That way, everyone is on the same page, guys know their roles and any trouble spots can be worked out in pre-season and in the first month of the regular season.
It’s all wait and see now, what ever will happen to Sheed’s contract is anyone’s guess.
isn't that why we can expect that decent player to come off the bench...
and play with the second unit…. It’s not like our second unit is full of chemistry…..
We aren’t even sure who the center will mainly be for the second unit….. we can expect Shaq to come off the bench during the regualr season…. but who logs the most amount of minutes with the second unit???
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Incidentally, I *really* hate this post's title....
Felt my heart stop; when I read the title, I thought you meant than Danny was going to retire.
Disagree with the trade exception idea
The time to win is now, and we don’t know how much of season there will be next year in light of the new CBA.
What I’m hearing is the Knicks would not part with a number #1 for Fernandez, so that could leave the door open. A #1 for Rudy works. They likely will be drafting at the bottom of the pack for the next two years, and his third year is a T/O. If that trade were to happen the roster including Sheed would be at 15 because Harangody will be signed.
As for Sheed’s contract, it is extremely possible Danny is having a hard time finding a suitor with contract friendly players (not extending past 2012), and here’s why…
Diaw: Why would Charlotte trade for him and then deal him for nothing? Would take more than Sheed’s contract anyway.
JR Smith: Salaries match up, but would Denver deal him for nothing? Probably not. Even with Harrington, they’re a body short (Anderson) and must do everything to stay in contention since Melo seems to be wandering off the reservation.
Battier: Perfect fit, but the Rockets appear to be making a final run just in case Yao packs it in.
Jefferies: Now there’s a guy Houston would part with; how he’s making $6m this season is anyone’s guess and we have Quis.
Kapono: No way now that Wafer is on board.
Posey: it would be ironic.
David West: Can he play the 3? Not sure about that.
Pietrus: Why would Orlando help us?
by CuttingEdgeRadio on Aug 6, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions
getting a trade exception is still about helping this year's team...
… just doing it in February, rather than settling for whatever crap trade we can do now. Right now, I suspect the best Danny can do for ’Sheed is Posey or Nocioni. Things may change by February.
With the exception....
What can we really expect to get in return this year…..
I completely agree if come trade deadline time….. we can not get a decent player that fits the exact mold we need, a lock-down perimeter defender that can contribute in someway offensively………..
Then we need to go for the exception as it will be our LAST best option….. But how high is the ceiling on that?
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken.
The trade exception allows teams over the cap to trade for an asset, equal to the value of the exception.
Meaning if they trade Sheed’s deal over to a team with an exception and available cap space, they can acquire at 6million exception, at the price of a 2nd rounder and cash consideration to facilitate Wallace’s buyout. It doesn’t hurt the team with cap space, since if their done making moves anyway, and are keeping their space open for next year’s FA, the only cap hit they take is whatever Wallace’s buyout is, likely a small number when prorated over 2 years.
So that being said, if come trade deadline, a team like Houston, or Portland either succumbs to injury (Yao or Oden go down again persay) or just isn’t in contention like they thought they’d be. They may be looking to unload some money and get under the luxury line, and Boston can use that exception to acquire an asset.
I could be way off on how trade exceptions work in the CBA, but I think that’s about how it goes.
Then...
Why would Houston give up a player just for room in the cap???
They will want VALUE for letting go of a decent player…..
You have to expect their will be other teams besides Boston trying to obtain that player in a trade….
We still need some type of value to trade, not just use an exception and expect incredible value for nothing.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Money, money, money.
If Yao gets hurts and their not in the playoff picture anymore, owners will want to save every dime possible. Meaning getting under the luxury line becomes a pressing need.
Not saying they wouldn’t get a better offer anyway, just that it’s a possibility.
Also...
In order to get under the luxury line, they can’t add any salary, meaning a straight up trade probably won’t work, as they can only shed about 20% of the value of the contract they sent out. If they gotta cut 5-6 million, it’s unlikely their able to do that.
Meaning they pretty much have to ship a player out to a team with a trade exception, it’s the only way they can shed salary. Obviously draft picks at the deal sweeteners. But for contending teams, a trade exception that allows them to sign another player without giving up any of their own, is a huge asset. And it also doesn’t tie up a roster spot by keeping Sheed’s contract on the books while he’s not playing.
I don't think either Houston or Pheonix would be interested in that...
Both teams seem to have a very steady flow of cash… and neither are attempting to pull a New Jersey or new York this year even if they are out of the picture…..
I really see both teams looking for a young rookie plus a few picks in return for their guy.
Houston has some decent players and doesn’t seem like the team that would be trying to dump salary for free agents… especially since next year’s free-agents is slim-pickens….
Houston will want young players and draft picks that have the potential to compliment their young talent in Brooks and Ariza.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya but...
You’re assuming ownership is ok ponying up another 11mil in Luxury tax for a team their sure has no chance in the playoffs.
Young rookies and picks are great, but if you trade outside of exceptions, teams have to send you 80% of what you’re sending them. There’s no way to shed money there. So you’re then saying to ownership, we’re going to pay an extra 11mil this year, while we have no chance in the playoffs, just to acquire… what, some extra picks that might not pan out to anything anyway?
Bottom line, if Yao is done, so is Houston. They’ll need to start from scratch, and start rebuilding around Brooks and Ariza. Of course, if Yao stays healthy this year, this is all pointless chatter anyway.
Houston and Pheonix want to make a run now..... BUT....
The only problem is… most likely only one of those teams will make the playoffs…. maybe both if the clippers fall apart this year…. But the clippers are promising and have a more complete team than pheonix…..
Houston completely relies on Yao’s effectiveness….
WHat if either Houston or Pheonix is out of the playoffs come deadline time……
Grant hill and Battier both have expiring contracts….. and by the looks of things… neither of those two teams seem to be ready for the season after this one….. why would the organization’s expect those players to stick around??? Wouldn’t those teams get something in return instead of getting nothing?
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep Sheed - Trade Baby
Let JO talk Sheed into Un-retiring and staying on board.
Sheed was hurt last year. Danny won’t resign BBD to the dollars that he wants next year. He has to be in consideration for a trade.
Also – sign Gody.
I've seen the contract issue with BBD
mentioned multiple times and still don’t understand where it came from.
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i think it's time we
bid farewell to scal and wish him well in the twilight of his career -
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call me crazy but i think danny is trying to give bradley every oppertunity to have an impact this season he only has to beat out wafer and md 2 scrubs. I like this move and if for some strange reason bradley flames u trade sheed a 1st and baby for a wing at deadline when some teams our ready to throw in towel and chase mello
by thuggedoutinGreen on Aug 6, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
Even if Bradley exceed all expectations...
… that would just mean that Wafer (and maybe Nate) don’t see the court as much. If he can play D as well as Danny said, maybe he can give us a few minutes helping against Kobe and Wade. That’s absolutely, absolute best-case. But, Bradley doesn’t do anything to help the one last main hole, a bigger defender at the SF who can help defend LeBron a little.
i definitely agree
what’s the point of getting another wing if it’s just going to bury your top rookie at the bottom of the depth chart?
i’m not expecting Bradley to be a star necessarily, but he’s the highest draft pick the C’s have had/will have for a while and we need to get him playing time. the hope should be that by the playoffs he’s the first guy off the bench to rest Ray.
if it doesn’t look like he’s coming along then do something at the trade deadline. not now…
I Believe Not Putting Any Pressure on Rookies....
Is the BEST thing to do…. No expectations…… No failing come time for the season…..
Rookies that don’t have any expectations that are allowed to just become who they are as a player become very good contributors…… Powe. Rondo. Glen. just to name a few recent successes……
We can’t expect Bradley to suddenly take over the largest responsibilty on the team when ray and pierce sit….. Defense is our game…. and guarding the best player on the floor is a HUGE responsibilty….
If bradley turns out to be an incredible “Tony Allen” type of defender….. hey…. forget the trade and lets settle down….. but if bradley doesn’t prove anything…. that’s what i expected and we still go for the trade at deadline time for a disgruntled wingman with lock-down Defense…..
I still think Ainge has to go into the season expecting to find a defensive wingman come deadline time….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is a huge gamble...
I think we trade Perkins (injured anyway) and "Sheed along with something else to get Gilbert Arenas (heck, he might even restructure his contract to play here knowing it is his only shot at redemption). Washington wants to dump him, and if we could get him, we’d have a potentially unbelievable team on the court (though potentially volatile).
I get that we’d need other teams to get involved and all sorts of stuff, but think about the team on the court and the motivation level. I think Agent Zero would restructure to play with our current team!
I'd boycott the season.
If Arenas ever plays for the Celtics, I’m done watching.
Arenas makes Artest look lucid and stable.
No thanks
by Finkelskyhook on Aug 6, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd RE-TAKE back everything.....
Good I had ever said about Ainge.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm in the he's done camp.
roster spot is more important than another ’ 10 min a game if were lucky ’ wing.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Maybe...
Ya, I think unless Danny pulls off a great deal he can’t say no to (i.e. Battier) he’d rather just let Sheed retire, save the team some cash, and free the roster spot. Then he’d sign Luke, and keep the 15th spot open to let Sims, Gaffney, and Oliver battle it out for.
Although another wing is a need (too many question on Daniels) it’s not so hugely glaring that it’s worth gambling on another “?” type player st SF. Larry Hughes is not an answer for us, and I’d rather see the roster opened, than waste minutes on a player like him.
So unless a home run deals comes in, I think Danny will sit tight on it.
Exactly unless someone like Battier
becomes available. Which I have no reason to believe he would unless Houston really doesn’t think they need him with their other wings (doubt it) . Basically unless someone with really good defensive skills. I suppose Nocioni might be worth a look since he brings long range shooting as well. But overall I’ve fine with the roster at least for the 1st half of the season.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Nocioni?
I think Grant Hill will be another name, possibly more likely than Battier…..
Grant Hill makes less….. and by the looks of things…. pheonix is out just as much as houston is from the playoffs…..
Grant Hill’s defensive ability is very under-rated…. he locked-down kobe in that series…. and he’s another vet that would mold right into the “Celtic-Way”….
Battier would be nice because we could expect to see him for multiple years due to his age…… But Grant Hill is another realistic possibility that could come true is Pheonix is out….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hill and Battier are both expiring contracts
I don’t understand why either team would trade them for an expiring contract (that doesn’t come with a player).
That doesn’t add up.
Hill also would require someone else come along with him because the salaries don’t match.
trade for draft picks in the future.... and a rookie.....
Bradley + two draft picks…..
If i was Houston or Pheonix… A team like Boston who is in the playoff hunt…. desperately needs a solid defender….. Neither Houston or Pheonix really expects Hill or Battier to re-sign with their respective teams if they don’t make the playoffs…..
Why just let him walk….
It’s NOT ABOUT AN EXPIRING CONTRACT!!!!!
It’s about GETTING VALUE IN RETURN instead of losing Hill or Battier and GET NOTHING!!!!!
If all they want is cap-space… they wont trade…. But i highly doubt that since the free-agent class next summer is slim….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, Danny'll keep monitoring what's available --
- but it’s likely the only next moves will be the final invites to camp. Unless he can get a trade exception for Sheed-which I think he’d do any time he can.
How about Sheed contract + Perk in Feb???
for VAREJAO and PARKER???
I think Perk is INCREDIBLE...
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
would not gilbert at all i aint in to that if the court girly media gossip stuff. gilbert would win 6th man of the year with us
by thuggedoutinGreen on Aug 6, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
Ego.
Too many egos on the team already, Gilbert is just not a character guy. He’s a punk and I never want to see him play for the Celtics.
Would Gilbert try to bring guns....
After the first time KG tore Gilbert a new “back-side”…..
Mark Madson came to my high school once and talked to some kids….. This is when he was on the timberwolves with KG as a rookie (Madson was the Rook)
And a kid asked how is it playing with KG (since he was the NBA’s STUD! )
Madson said KG was too intense….. Madson was KG’s back-up… and Madson said when he tried to get onto the court during PRACTICE to replace KG…….. KG turned to him and yelled and made Madson go sit back down instead of trying to take “reps” away from KG…..
I don’t think GIlbert is the kind of player that can deal with the kind of intensity that is expected out of a Celtic….. Pierce and KG might scare Gilbert and his “glocks”…….
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a joke....
But the Madson story is true….
Madson said KG really gave him a few lessons in intensity and dedication.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you imagine Gilbert and West in the same lacker room? Guns for everyone!
And, with all the old guys? – gums fro everyone!
no doubt lol
I pass on both w/ extreme prejudice. Delonte is 6’3 and we don’t need another SG.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
There`s more to come...
Danny did as much as he could in getting “big man” insurance for Perk…but probably wonders if Perk will ever be 100% again.
He can`t be totally satisfied with the SF situation…TA is gone, Wafer is a mystery, etc.
He still has Sheed`s contract to deal….DA probably has one more trade left in him.
Yes, Wafer is a mystery. So give Doc time to figure him out.
After a couple of months, if Wafer proves to be a wash out, Ainge can use Wallace’s contract to bring in someone else.
Some of you people need to focus on basketball and stop trying to be skip bayless. The hate around here sucks. Gilbert is when right is as dangerous as they come
by thuggedoutinGreen on Aug 6, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions
Ya, I certainly don't want to play cards with him.
He’s definitely “dangerous.” But I’m not talking about on a Basketball court.
Gilbert is not Celtic-Green Material...
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah ab cant play the 3 but i like him and nate on the court together back sf is a problem marquis is a scrub
by thuggedoutinGreen on Aug 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
sizzlack get real like i said focus on basketball stop actin like a broad with the gossip like u neva made a mistake
by thuggedoutinGreen on Aug 6, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
He's poison.
He’s already destroyed one franchise, dude deserves to never play Basketball again, send his ass back to the ghetto is he wants to be a gangsta.
The Celtics Don't Need....
Any gilbert’s….. The Celtics actually have a TEAM……
Gilbert’s success comes at the hands of team success….. why would we sacrifice team success for Gilbert “Agent-Zero” basketball…….
PLease keep Gilbert’s Cancerous Ways in the Jail-House….. Where he really belongs right now…..
Bringing Guns into the Gym? Are you Crazy?
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
a little birdie told me this morning...
that the Cs are still interested in / in talks regarding Rudy and Delonte.
Interesting. I won't complain if we trade Sheed for Rudy or
sign DWest for the vet min. He can go crazy and then be released while Rudy can be a nice wing off the bench but, I thought Chicago was outbidding us again…
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
to be clear ---
the birdie told me he thought they’d end up with one or the other…..
Interesting thanks for update.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
keep delonte away please!!!!!
He’s on house arrest…..
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rudy looks to be heading to Chicago.
All reports show Boston is unwilling to give up a 1st rounder, and Rudy most likely ends up in Chicago (if they are that is.)
West might be able to be had on the cheap. If you can get him for the minimum, I have to believe Danny jumps at that. Still, it doesn’t solve the SF problem, if you think we have one that is. Personally I’m ok with Wafer or Daniels in short minutes at the 3.
what report have you seen that says the Cs aren't willing to give up a 1st?
do you have a link?
All signs.
Should have written that saying all signs show Boston unwilling to. I see no other reason the deal didn’t get done last week when they were first in talks (prior to the Wafer signing.) Portland is well known to be seeking a first rounder. The fit in Boston, before Wafer was there, was ideal, so there couldn’t have been anything else holding that up, other than Danny being unwilling to give up a 1st.
Just putting 2+2 together on that one.
I have to agree on Wafer
The fact the C’s got Wafer out of the blue may just say they’ve moved on from Rudy.
Agree.
And I think the reports that the Cs were still in the running was just due diligence. Danny would still do the deal, but he’s not increasing the offer he put out earlier, which I have to assume doesn’t include a first rounder.
So saying “Bulls and Cs are still in running for Rudy” like was reported even after Wafer was signed, is just to say “Dannys offer is still out there” doesn’t mean anything will get done. But if Chicago refused to increase theirs (wont give up a 1st) the Cs would probably still be in the conversation. Highly unlikely, and even if Chicago did refuse a 1st rounder, it’s unlikely Portland caves and gives him up without one.
Nope
1) There’s been no reports on exactly what Portland requires, nor what the Cs have offered;
2) Wafer wasn’t even in the NBA last year, has a bad back, and signed for the Vet Min. You think the Cs would hesitate to improve the roster with another legit NBA wing man because they signed a guy like this? No.
Wrong.
Portland has openly stated they want a 1st rounder.
This is from ESPN Insider NBA Rumors:
__"Blazers still exploring options for possibly moving Fernandez," he tweeted Wednesday. “A wide variety of deals are being considered, but nothing is pending.”
The Blazers are reportedly not going to just dump Fernandez. They want some value back.
So if a deal ever gets done, expect them to get a valuable asset in return, such as a first-round draft pick coupled with a player of worth.__
So, that’s why I’m assuming Boston is not providing a first rounder, or doesn’t have the “Player of worth” in Portland’s eyes (Bradley would really be the only asset they could pitch, and Danny/Doc are very high on him, so it’s unlikely they’d give him up.)
And no, I’m not arguing that on Wafer, but my point was, his signing was a sign that Danny didn’t think Rudy’s deal was going to happen, so he went with Plan B. If Portland caved and decided to accept what Danny put out (which just using an educated guess I’d day includes a second rounder and some young potential players with non-guaranteed deals) then yes, Danny would obviously do it, and say good bye to Wafer as soon as possible.
But he realizes that’s very unlikely to happen.
chicago is offering a player as well?
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure.
There were rumors of Taj Gibson, but that seems highly unlikely. So I’m not really sure.
It’s entirely possible no deal for Rudy happens.
Chicago is no longer an issue
They have picked up Bogans and Mason in the last few days. So it’s safe to say it’s a one horse race for Rudy at the moment, unless the Knicks do something.
but i’m starting to feel like Rudy is not going anywhere to be honest.
but i don’t think Chicago is an worry at the moment
I take that back
Chicago has offered a first rounder to Portland for Rudy. But Portland is holding out for something better.
Translation: Ball is in Danny’s court, he’s going to have to get creative on this one.
Sheed will retire before the season
the bottom line is that sheed has a high salary and the C’s are over the luxury tax. his leaving will save them almost $13 million.
I'd start with this ...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25y7rt3
and add picks and players as necessary. Gerald Wallace is EXACTLY what we need on this team, and would easily be 6th man of the year, forget Gilbert.
oh and btw, I know I’m dreaming, but he’s easily one of my favorite players, so I gotta throw this out there. Maybe, Sheed, Baby, Bradely, a 1st? I’d do that. I doubt Charlotte does though.
by MaineBleedsGreen on Aug 6, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
Wallace would be great.
But there’s noway CHA lets him go, and they’d have no interest in Davis. Why would they give up a great asset like Gerald Wallace, just to pick up a 3rd string PF who will play behind Boris Diaw and Tyrus Thomas. Then who plays SF for them, granted they could swing Diaw to SF, and have Davis be Thomas’s primary backup. But that all seems highly unlikely.
Gerald.....
where did this come from???
a videogame????
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a serious problem relying on giving the last shot in the game to a guy by the name of “Wafer”
To Battier and 2nd round for Rasheed, Harangody/Bradley and 1st round.
I know people are gonna hate me by putting the one of the 2 picks in the trade since they have the potential to be the next good Celtics players in the Post-Big 3 era. But we gotta remember that this is “WIN NOW” mode.
The Rockets would not just give up one of their core for an expiring contract. But with young talent and a 1st round pick Houston might bite.
Yes we lose a potentially good players in either Bradley or ‘Gody. But to WIN NOW, this would make sense, or so I think. The Celtics should just worry about rebuilding after THEY WON. Besides, with Rondo, Baby and Perk (hopefully on the two bigs) in the rebuilding stage, it wouldn’t be that much of a problem.
We are in WIN NOW mode, let’s just cry over later when Bradley/Harangody turns into great players. At least, in the next two years, we’ll win for sure.
Not saying I wouldn't do that.
But Houstin has said they have no interest in trading Battier, period.
He’s a big part of their plans, and if Yao stays healthy and they really are in contention this year, they will need him to beat LA due to how great he’s played Kobe. Yao goes down again and that all changes, so ya never know come trade deadline. But any talk right now involving Battier is just pointless, it simply is not going to happen.
They Say That Now.....
This year’s success all depends upon what Houston gets out of Yao…. No Yao = No Playoffs……
Same with Pheonix….
If both teams are out…. Houston has to trade Battier if they don’t expect him to be back next season since his contract is expiring…..
If houston is out of the playoffs… i see us trading sheed and a player along with the pick…
its a very hypothetical situation……. i do believe grant hill is the more realistic option since Pheonix looks to be more out than Houston.
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
If Houston struggles and decides to unload an expiring contract (Battier)
they most certainly are not going to do it in exchange for another expiring contract.
You trade expiring contracts in order to bring back players with longer ones (giving the other team cap relief the following year).
Sheed’s contract is not going to bring us Battier – unless Houston extended his contract tomorrow and then had second thoughts before the trading deadline. Not likely to happen.
Who said expiring contract???
I said they will want some “VALUE”
Value = Bradley = Draft Picks
Value DOES NOT EQUAL A RETIRING RASHEED PAST HIS PRIME
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by Flight2BOSTON on Aug 6, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I don't see Danny trading Bradley and a pick for an expiring Battier
That’s just not likely to happen. That is just too lopsided when it comes to value.
i made this work
we would have to include draft picks to portland and maybe minnesota as well….but getting brewer to learn from pierce of the next few years !!! YESSSS…..i want corey brewer that my final offseason dream move …….DA if you read this blog ……do it man he would be killer with nate and marquis and bbd off the bench
nice.
Erden would be a keeper though. Either way, Boston should at least get a 2nd round pick too with all that players going out. Then again, the trade machine does not have draft picks. Brewer young 6’9’’ guard, he’ll have a hard time against LeBron tough. But offensively in that second unit he’ll be awesome.
This TRADE IS THE ONE
I would first sign Delonte West who can play pg and sg…and is a good shooter…..then in december i can trade Big Baby and nate robinson to Houston for Battier and maybe Jordan Hill because we need a better defender of the bench at the 2 and 3 who can make shots too…so we get DELONTE WEST + BATTIER and some insurance on the 4 with Hill and wow we gonna get the 18 banner easy…
6 BIGS
WHAT A ROTATION IF SHEED COMES BACK; DEFENSE, OFFENSIVE VARIETY; I’M STILL BELIEVING WE NEED ONE MORE WING DEFENDER THAT CAN GET IN WADE’S AND LBJ’S GRILL….DWEST IS OKAY WITH ME…..L HUGHES IS A TRAINWRECK….DWEST KNOWS THE SYSTEM, HAS O GAME AND IS A GOOD TEAM DEFENDER….THE TEAM DEFENSIVE STRUCTURE IS WHAT I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING…….DANNY…WITH A MAXED OUT CREDIT CARD…GREAT JOB….AND…..DON’T TRADE PERK, BBD OR RONDO EVER….THESE ARE LEGACY TEAM PLAYERS…MAYBE NOT GREAT…BUT THEY DESERVE TO STAY HERE……
ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE MORONIC TRADE SCENARIOS PEOPLE POST HERE…..
I agree with the caption in the photo
Ainge is obviously extremly passionate about what he does, and his mind probably never stops working on the next move.Right now I think the only thing for him to do is keep his eyes on the prize his ears open, and wait for the right option.A small forward is a must maybe a guard/forward.I dont think another star player is what we need, but someone who can fill the role and do it well.A good defender and anaverage scorer would be good.Someone who can come in and defend and allow Pierce to be able to focus on both ends of the court instead of exausting himself because he has to wear his self out on the defensive end. We are pretty deep in guards so maybe Sheed’s contract and a guard or some future picks.Not to far in the future though wont be too long before those picks are going to be needed to build on.
this is my idea
our starting 5 (without perk) & bench
Rondo Nate
Allen Bradley
Pierce Daniels
KG Baby
JO Shaq
Then when perkins gets back you either take out JO or BBD from the rotation. If Mo Daniels or Avery struggles than you look to trade sheeds contract, player and pick for a better backup
Until Mo or Avery struggle though, i think we should give those two a chance and maybe they are all we need and we wouldnt have to make any more moves. I dont think we need another wing unless Daniels or Bradley struggles, until then, i am happy with the current roster
That's probably pretty close
except more likely Wafer will start out ahead of Bradley for the backup SG spot.
But who knows? The kid has a lot of talent and could push for more minutes as the year progresses.
You'll see Wafer at SG.
Avery is small for the 2, their grooming him to be a back PG in a couple years. Then if he really excels and shows starting level talent, most likely gets traded.
Wafer you’ll see at SG more often most likely. But I do expect to see Bradley out there for some stretches, especially against teams with smaller 2 guards.
Bradley may not be 'tall' at 6'3" but he has a freakish wingspan
His span is something like 6’ 7.25" – and he routinely defended much taller players in college.
Here are his stats: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Avery-Bradley-5285/
On the perimeter, lateral speed, fundamentals, reactions and good hand position are generally more important that raw height. Tony Allen was only 6’ 4" but was an excellent defender even against many much taller players.
I know Doc indicated ‘PG’ in his early comments after the draft, but Bradley has a lot of skills that would make him an exellent SG. He has a very nice catch-&-shoot motion and moves very well away from the ball.
He’s still very raw – he’ll be just 20 yrs old at the end of this November. So his body is still growing and filling out. He won’t reach his potential for several years.
How about this?
Sheed straight up for Posey. Their salaries are almost identical. New Orleans seems to be interested in saving money. We would be getting the wing player we covet. We certainly would not be getting any younger, but we have thrown that towel in anyway.
aim high, danny
if danny’s going to make a move with sheed’s contract, ten i think it should be a move for an impact player – the c’s already have depth, what they really need is another starting-caliber guy. one easy solution would be tayshaun prince. the downside is that he’s already 30 years old, and i’d imagine detroit would want bradley for him. but he’s a very good shooter, and an elite defender.
another potential option is andre iguodala, a great defender, and great overall athlete. the sixers have been shopping him for a while now, and their drafting of evan turner has made iggy more expendable. bradley, harangody, and a 2011 first-round pick MIGHT be enough for the sixers, it would at the very least give them some major cap relief, and on the c’s side, .iggy’s only 26. my only concern is in the future having rondo and iggy as 2 guys with inconsistent jump-shots.
Sign Ime Udoka...
Hold on to Sheed until he retires/February. Udoka is a solid defender.
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