30Q: Will The Celtics Rebound Better?
by Jeff Clark on Sep 1, 2010 5:00 AM EDT
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Last year this was a glaring weakness, in particular in the Finals (though to be fair, that Lakers frontline makes a lot of teams struggle on the glass). We've added Shaq and Jermaine O'Neal to help out and though they've clearly had their best years in the rear view mirror, they can be an upgrade for us.
Perkins was limited by nagging injuries so there's at least some hope that he'll heal up properly and get back to boxing out and getting the ball sometime in the fall. I'm not exactly sure what to hope for with Garnett. He seems to be trending further and further away from the basket, and while that might prolong his career, it isn't going to help us gather the ball off the rim. Big Baby can box out, but he's most likely done growing (taller that is, his waist and emotional maturity are TBD).
We'll see if Pierce, Rondo, and others can pick up their perimeter rebounding game as well. They seemed to get away from crashing the boards as much last year but both are capable of moving the needle in our favor.
Bottom line, you can't score if you don't have the ball. Wait, I think Pau Gasol just got another offensive rebound against us as I typed this. Time to make rebounds a priority.
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Gasol killed us on the board
We lost the Championship becasue PGasol – the severving Finals MVP – killed us on the boards. What was the final tally? was it 18reb vs 3reb (Gasol to Garnett)? Can’t remember…it was something rediculous.
..oh, and PP lost the battle to RArtest on that final game.
Enough on the finals…as you can see, it still stings.
Yes, rebounding should be better for three reasons. Garnett, Shaq, Jamaine all three play close to the basket and should be healthier this time around…and I think there is a bit of a chip on their shoulder as well.
Correct - 18-3
Sheed was outside of the paint too much, as is KG. The O’Neals can’t help but improve things.
by nba is the worst on Sep 1, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
How could we be worse?
The Celtics were near the bottom of the league in rebounding for the year (I believe I heard 2nd or 4th worst), so how could it realistically get any worse?
I’d list the following reasons as why we were so bad on the glass:
-KG’s decline
-Our SG/SF not doing enough to get defensive rebounds, especially Ray Allen
-Lack of boxing out by most everyone (this really frustrated me to watch)
-Our first big off the bench, Glen Davis, is a terrible defensive rebounder.
-Our other big, Scalabrine, was even worse at defensive rebounding lol.
I think Shaq and Jermaine will help quite a bit with that, but it will still be a team responsibility to rebound. Rondo can’t be the only small guy on the court helping out!
Also, I think Doc might actually go with a bigger lineup at times
One thing is for certain
This situation must dramatically improve.
KG is most likely motivated as ever to prove he still has it. Last offseason due to the surgery and rehab, he never had a chance do do any offseason condition and strength work. This year he has the opportunity to to build strength in his legs and improve his overall conditioning. I look for him to play with ,an even more so, “chip on his shoulder” attitude this season. Hopefully, his rebound numbers improve, therefore improving the overall team numbers.
I agree, I'm really interested to see if his return from the knee problem continues, or if ...
…as the (somewhat negative) Title18 says below – “KG`s rebounding days are over”. Time will tell.
I saw the playoffs with KG playing well in the 1st 2 rounds as playing well, but getting worn down in the next 2.
I don’t expect to see him with his whole forearm above the rim on alley-oops again, but hopefully it’s back to 85-90% of the ’08 KG!
by nba is the worst on Sep 1, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Rebounding will improve...
Shaq & JO will actually “reside” in the paint…..unlike the “soft” Sheed, who spent all of last year avoiding contact by “bricking” 3-PT attempts, 25 feet from the hoop.
However, KG`s rebounding days are over…he`s little more than a perimeter jump shooter at this stage. Gasol beat him like a drum in the Finals. KG and Ray Allen are the reasons why we lost to LA.
KG and Ray are the reasons why we lost to LA?
and Sheed avoided contact? I must have watched the wrong Finals.
You know what Title 18...
As much as the truth hurts, you are correct! I agree with you about KG, Sheed and Ray.
Sheed wasnt just ‘soft’, he was lazy. He didnt hustle. The ball does not lie.
KG was trying to grab rebounds with one hand. Yes, I agree, his rebounding days are OVA!
if were getting rid of glen anyway...
why not? and he only has 2 years left so he fits the plan.. doubt the wizards will do it thought
or...
1 year, young athletic..
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=33×278v
Agree that the C's must improve thier rebounding.....
it was a weak spot last year that must be remedied this year.
I think it will be (once Perk comes back from his injury) for the following reasons:
KG will hopefully be healthier and hopefully will improve his rebounding numbers.
I think the added length added to the front court with the Shaq and Jermaine signings will help us on the boards also since:
Shaq is a better rebounder then Rasheed (who he is replacing basically)
and since
Jermaine can be utilized at power forward against longer power forwards who give Baby a hard time on the boards due to his lack of length.
It would not hurt also for Doc to give a basketball rebound clinic in the preseason just to remind the team how important rebounding is and will be this upcoming season.
how can we not rebound better?
we switched wallace and williams out for jermaine and shaq. on top of adding several inches in size both players play inside making the possibility of rebounds more likely than when we had wallace. add in the size of shaq for boxing out and it may open up a few more rebounds for pierce, rondo, kg, etc….
wafer has the size and jumping ability to rebound but he hasnt rebounded well in his career
KG’s legs are back under him so he should be able to get a few more rebounds this year.
harangody was a great rebounder in college averaging 9.5 rebounds over his career. he likely wont see much, if any time on the celtics but if he does he adds to the rebounding.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Sep 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
well if you buy mmmm's rebounding breakdown from this past spring then the answer is no
Where is mmmmm when you need him? His point was that the Celtics defensive scheme (run back to set up on D, limit total number of possessions) makes them look like a bad rebounding team only in terms of total numbers, not rebounding rate. If you buy his analysis, the C’s weren’t a bad rebounding team last year and shouldn’t be one this year.
I tend to agree with mmmmm here if only because I believe the Celtics are full of individually great rebounders and so there is no other explanation for why they’d be such a bad rebounding team. Except for Ray, every member of the starting 5 is an above average rebounder and I would say that Paul and Rajon are exceptional rebounders for their positions. KG was exceptional once. On the bench last year, Glen and Tony were great offensive rebounders (hustle players in general) and this year we subtract Tony but add Jermaine, Shaq, and hopefully Delonte, all of whom are at least average rebounders.
So long story short, I think the C’s will continue to be a good rebounding team, but their overall rebounding numbers, like last year’s, might be misleading.
by milt palacio's shot on Sep 1, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
"C’s will continue to be a good rebounding team, but their overall rebounding numbers, like last year’s, might be misleading."
I have to disagree with you on Milt. The only stat that matters is that of the team rebounding as a whole compared with the league. Boston was second to last season. You can try and spin it any way you want to, but that stat does tell the whole story. Hence, this team has been a very poor rebounding team that desparately needs to improve.
With Shaq and JO’s length I think our rebounds will improve by a landslide. KG will be better because he’s played a full year with that injury and he should be moving better. KG’s rebounds will improve you don’t go from one of the top rebounders in the league to a below average rebounder without injury. I guarantee we wont be second to last in rebounding again
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