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Glen Davis is Fooling Someone

What is ahead for Glen Davis?

As one unnamed opposing NBA team ‘scout’ told Celticsblog…"We’ll find out if there really is more to Glen Davis this season."

I wanted to call this article: Why I Like Glen Davis. But the more I thought about it, I realized the title I chose is more apt. As the quote implies, Davis has his doubters.

Anybody who reads me knows I have been a defender of Glen Davis since his rookie year.

But I have often felt that I was defending Glen to, and against the opinions of, what I felt were the basketball cool guys. You know who I mean. The guys that, in my opinion, were generally pretty wise about the game. I respected their opinion, and often saw things their way. Even when I didn’t agree, I understood their position.

But some players divide the world into 2 camps. Glen is one of them. There are those who love Glen Davis and those who don’t.

Even many fans who think Danny Ainge walks on water, believe Danny got it wrong on this one. Yet, the contingent of Glen Davis fans has been growing. As expected, there are reasons for both.

It is clear that Davis is fooling someone. And that leads to why I like Glen Davis.

Star-divide

It is really simple. He doesn’t fit the mold of the current NBA prototype. He doesn’t have arms that can wrap around you twice if he hugged you. He doesn’t have pogo sticks for legs. And oh yeah….that.

He carries more weight than most players in a league that seems to be made for…humans that look the exact opposite of Glen. Football player who took a wrong turn and ended up inside at the arena instead of out on the practice field hitting the tackling dummies. Son, you’re in the wrong sport. This is the basketball team.

And yet, (Never start a sentence with the word ‘and’. I must be a nonconformist – like Glen Davis) this guy can flat out play the game. And he plays with heart.

That is also why I have liked players like Sam Cassell, Jeff Hornacek, and still like Steve Nash, and Joakim Noah. They don’t look like basketball players. But they can really play. You don’t really want everybody in the NBA to look and play the exact same way, do you?

I can clearly see bigger potential for the player known as ‘Big Baby’ than what has thus far been exhibited. Many of those that I think know the game pretty well, don’t.

My off the board e-mail and PM conversations have been lively indeed. My peers can’t understand what I see in him. I can’t understand why they don’t see what I see.

I see a multi-talented player who has been asked to fill very specific roles that, year over year, have been as diverse as his skills. Davis has gone from a floor spacing mid range jump shooter two years ago to the team’s top energy guy and offensive rebounder last season. Both times it was by request of his head coach, Doc Rivers. After some trail and error, he responded at a high level both times.

In spite of having to stand underneath the hoop last season to rebound and getting blocked at a frustratingly high percentage, he can find clever ways to score around the hoop – especially if he can get the defense moving. Flat footed, his execution and timing has been awful at times. On the move, it is a different story.   

He has shown some success with a ‘step back fade away’, as well as a take it-to-the-hoop ‘baby’ jump hook shot. We know he can get a mid range jumper going. Earlier in his NBA career he flashed some creative passing skills.

Backing down players his size, the dude is flat out quick on his spin moves. Ask Lamar Odom.

He has hands quick enough to steal the ball from nimble point guards cruising by him. He’s skilled at taking offensive charges. His basic man and team defense have improved immensely. Okay, so he will never be a shot blocker and intimidator in the middle.

And the Big Baby thing. Those who read me have probably noticed that I don’t call him Big Baby and I haven’t done so in print long before he asked not to be called that. To me, it had the potential of getting in the way of what was really important, his focus and development as a player. It also had the effect of negating serious respect for his game. It’s hard to take someone nicknamed ‘Big Baby’ seriously.
 
Add to that, his now famous crying episode, his infamous fight with a friend that caused him a huge setback in development, and his more recent off season internet comedy video ventures and I can see how some would be distracted from what Glen does on the court.

The Sound of Groans

In fact, I was awoken very early one morning this summer. I heard groaning. It grew so loud it woke me out of my sleep. I sat up in bed. I realized that it was coming from my computer. I got up and turned it on to find out what the heck was happening. It was every Glen Davis ‘non-fan’ groaning their displeasure over his twitter Waldo and nerdy guitar playing pictures and his Ustream (of consciousness) videos.

After rolling my eyes and realizing that the chasm between ‘those who like Davis’ and ‘those who don’t’ just got San Andreas Fault Line wide, I gave up the idea of defending him. It would be futile. You either ‘get’ Glen Davis or you don’t. Sorry groaners, I thought it was pretty funny. Immature and crazy? Yes. But pretty funny stuff. And yes, I appreciate more sophisticated humor, too.

But that brings me to relate an off board conversation I had with one Davis critic. When I asked him why he was so hard on him, he said, ‘I guess because I see a bit of myself in him when I was less level headed.’  

I can relate to that. That is why I’m not so hard on him. I see a bit of my younger self in him, too. I have had my dumb, crazy, immature, even stupid moments when I was his age. My wife might say, "What do you mean ‘when you were his age’?" Okay. But those moments are no longer for public view (if I can help it). Maybe there is a little Glen Davis in a lot of us. And that brings us to now.

Part of the dilemma for Glen is that he has a personality as big as Shaq’s, but he hasn’t yet consistently demonstrated a game big enough to back it up to make skeptics happy. I understand that. I was hoping a bigger, more consistent game would emerge before he took the lid off his extra large personality.

But Glen Davis marches to a different drummer. The lid is coming off that ‘made for media’ personality of his now. So be it. So tweet it. So Ustream it.  You don't want to bury it or suffocate it. The same goes for his game. Is this finally the time to see more of it?

Doc Rivers wanted very limited and specific things from Davis on the court before this season. Play defense, set picks and shoot. Play defense, set picks and rebound. He has proven to be a consummate team player in spite of a unique personality you would think otherwise of.

Glen Davis Unchained
But now we hear that both Danny and Doc expect bigger things from Davis this season. Will this season reveal Glen Davis unchained?

To best utilize Glen I think you need to put him with a shot blocker on defense and allow him to work with the ball outside on offense. That sounds like a natural fit with Shaq.

Glen is an under rated passer, can hit the open jumper and needs to define his game around the middle more. Hopefully, he will get the chance to do so. Working the 'pick and pop' with both Nate Robinson and Delonte West seems quite doable. Rebounding is always a requirement on this team.

We are seeing Davis’ multi-faceted personality. Will we see a more multi-faceted game?

I think Glen has one and if given the chance, will demonstrate it more consistently as the season wears on. It sounds like he will get the chance to do so. But I’m not sure exactly how, in what has been a fairly disciplined offense, with a limited amount of shot attempts to go around.

For a player who has been doing a lot of fooling around on the internet this off season, there will be no fooling around on the court for Glen Davis. He is the only experienced Celtic big man under age 30 available until Perkins returns. They will need him.

With an NBA title as a goal and a new contract in sight, I am expecting Glen to come through…shall we say…big time?

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Sorry but really hated the article! im used to getting that realest, from CB!

by businessbmw on Sep 26, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

One of Glen Davis' best attributes

is thinning out the herd with regard to actual basketball knowledge. I watch him and see the the outstanding athlecism for someone his size and then come here and read he’s fat and cant rebound and gets his shot blocked or the coup de grace PER or +/- for bench player . After debating it for a few years I’ve just came to the conclusion that some people just have an awful eye for talent. See above. Here’s too hoping he has his best year to date.

"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said

by Birdbrain on Sep 26, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I love BBD!

I think BBD is awesome. He’s got his body in much better shape, developed a consistent jumper, runs through walls for doc, and he is fearless on the court. With the additions of the O’Neals I think BBD will flourish off the bench this year.

To play devils advocate, I don’t see him as KGs replacement at the starting PF spot so I don’t think he’ll resign here. But with this group, he certainly won me over and proved to be a legit NBA talent.

"They don't buy all those banners at Woolworths."

-- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, on all the championship banners at Boston Garden

by Brett Szabo on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

What's the big deal?

Why all the BS about Davis? He’s a nice player and for a 2 pick Danny made a good decision. Why does Davis have to be more than he already is? As long as he controls his weight and busts his ass running up and down the floor, I’m happy with him. He’s a nice player and he works hard.

by timpiker on Sep 26, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly.

Davis is not perfect. He’s not the ‘ideal classic build’ for an NBA PF. He’s not conventional.

But he also has unconventional strengths – things he can do that other players can’t.

He just needs to continue to develop THOSE strengths and be the best player he can be and he’ll be fine.

He made tremendous strides down the stretch and through the playoffs. He’s still young. I don’t see any reason why he won’t continue to get even better.

by mmmmm on Sep 26, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post and read for a Sunday morning....

When you said …“He doesn’t fit the mold of the current NBA prototype”…You nailed it on what at least I think is Baby’s biggest problem…his physical build.

I think that he just does not have the proper physical build in terms of length, arm wing span and jumping ability to most effectively play the power forward position against the longer more athletic power forwards he plays against.

I think this lack of length – wing span and jumping ability, makes it tough for him to defend the lengthier more athletic power forwards he goes up against both on the offensive and defensive ends of the court .

I think taller players just can score to easy over him on defense since Baby lacks length, arm wing span and jumping ability to alter or block oppossing players shots.

On the offensive end again I think Baby (again due to lack of length, wing arm span and jumping ability) has a hard time getting his shots off in the low post against longer more athletic defenders

Its especially frustrating having to see him shoot low % shots when he has to shoot off balance and in a awkward position in order to avoid getting his shot blocked by longer more athletic opponents….its even more frustrating seeing him get his shot blocked in the low post so often.

Baby had a nice jumper in 2009 that made him a effective player on offense, but he did not utilize it in 2010, which limited his offensive game ( I hope he gets back to taking it this year).
 
That"s why I was happy to see Jermaine signed this off season, so we can finally have a power forward with some length, athleticism and jumping ability, come off the bench behind KG (that we have not had in the big 3 era) to throw up against long, athletic power forwards Baby has a hard time matching up against.

With the above said I still think Baby has a role on the team since he is a energy bunny off the bench and provides toughness and provides physical 6 fouls off the bench.

He also gives the C’s great depth at the power forward position and insurance behind Garnett and Jermaine in case of injury or foul trouble.

by fordescort on Sep 26, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Well said, fortescort

Glen Davis does some things extremely well, but the low post is not where he belongs. It is not his fault that he had to cover that assignment last year as a backup for KG and his energy and willingness to sacrifice his body turned me from a detractor to a fan…but…I hope with Shaq and JO on the inside, Davis will be able to show his mid-range jumper and passing abilities again this year. I think this is one of the best and deepest teams we have fielded, and yet it has young guys on the bench who are at least a start on bridging the gap to the next generation.

by thirstyboots18 on Sep 26, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree....

with Jermaine on board we now have a back up power forward with length, wing span and athletic ability to better match up in the low post both on offense and defense against long opposing power forwards which Baby just does not match up well against due to his lack of length.

Doc then would have the flexibility of using Baby against less lengthier power forwards which Baby matches up better against…. so he can:

- Utilize his bulk against them on defense and not have to worry about his lack of length,
- Get off some of those nice low post offensive spin moves and fall away shots he has (which he has hard time getting off against taller defenders)
-Rebound more efficiently against power forwards his own size..
- If Baby then goes back to utilizing his outside jumper jumper again he would also have a a better more balanced offensive inside – outside game.

If Baby can be utilized to play his style game (described above), which I assume he would be more comfortable playing, instead of being forced fed to play in the low post ( unfairly in a way against longer opponents) I think he would be a even more effective player for the C’s.

by fordescort on Sep 26, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the thoughtful response fordescort...

You have defined his challenges pretty well. But case in point, I might call them challenges instead of limitations.

And this is where Glen’s potential may be fooling me. As an example, his challenges to score around the hoop and the high block rate I believe can be improved significantly by working with the right coaches and developing better technique underneath.

He has to learn to use his body better, get the defender to go for fakes and have a shot that gets just enough space to get over the defender’s hand. Whether to protect the ball better and create space between the hoop, himself and his defender or to extend farther away for a baby hook, there are ways to become much efficient for shorter players around the hoop.

Shorter players than Glen have developed effective post games. Adrian Dantley is the king of ‘short guy with post moves’. And no – I am not saying that Davis will ever be Dantley-esque. But a bump inward coupled with a fadeaway or step back jumper is not out of the question. I think he can do it.

And nicely said about Glen needing to keep the player he is defending farther away from the hoop. Thankfully, he can do this pretty well. That is using his girth and strength to his advantage.

Some players are tough match ups for Glen, no doubt. But I am of the belief that Glen can be a tough match up himself, if his game can be allowed to grow and expand. (no pun intended)

Thanks for the insights.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great point about....

Baby having to create better space between him and his opponent.

I overlooked mentioning that important factor after commenting last year many times Baby needed to do just that.

In those comments I made last year, I thought it would be wise for Baby to sort of model his game after Charles Oakley who was also a power forward who had lacked length and jumping ability just like Baby.

Oakley did a great job of carving out space in the post, bumping his opponent off of him and faking them out to the point where he could get of a decent offensive shot off and rebound more efficiently against his opponent.

Oakley also on defense used his bulk effectively to keep his usually longer opponent farther away from the basket to neutralize the length and jumping ability disadvantage Oakley would usually face.

So if Baby can learn to use his body and carve out better space between him and his opponent, like Oakley did so well and Dantley did so well also as you mention (especially on offense) I agree with you it should only help to improve Baby’s game and make him a better player.

by fordescort on Sep 27, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wes Unseld

Oakley was good. Unseld is the prototype for this kind of player though, and a Hall of Famer.

Only 6’ 7", 245 lb with most of that wt seemingly in his massive hips and butt! Led the NBA in rebounding in ’75. Was MVP and Rookie of the Year in the same year. NBA champion. One of the best defenders in the NBA during his peak.

I remember watching someone from the Sonics run into one of his picks in the finals and it was like running into a stone wall.

Being a Sonics fan, I hated the Bullets back then, but Unseld – he was special to watch.

Davis should just pour over films of that guy.

by mmmmm on Sep 27, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unseld...

most reminds me of the Incredible Hulk. Simply massive legs, thighs and waist. Super strong player – especially from the waist down.

If Wes was listed at 245 then I am Barack Obama.

I’ve seen and heard a few comps for Davis. Really not sure who he is like. Kind of an original. But each comp has merit.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 27, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL - yeah, I saw that '245' in his stats as his listed weight and was like, "Riiiiight"

I saw this guy play and he looked every bit as big as Davis does today – and yeah, a lot more of his mass was in that famous butt.

I have a hard time believing that he was less than 275 – minimum!

Unbelievably strong. Smart, smart player, too.

by mmmmm on Sep 27, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Agree 100% …that Wes Unseld is another great example of who Baby should model his game after.

I remember last year you making that very point mmmmm when we were both posting comments of how Baby needs to create more space between him and his opponents to help him combat his lack of length and jumping issues that cause him match up problems at times.

I was ready to also use Unseld as a example of who Baby should try to model his play like, but did not want claim credit for the example ,since you originally came up with using Unseld as a example last season.

I am glad though you pointed Unseld out in case other bloggers did not recall you making that statement last year…because I think he is along with Oakley another player Baby can model his game after to try to improve it.

Though I never saw Unseld play ( thus the reason for recommending Baby try to copy Oakley’s style of play who I did see play) if Baby can try to play more like Oakley and Unseld did he would be a much better and efficient player no doubt.

by fordescort on Sep 28, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Danny succeeded in picking Davis

I’m not sure who would think otherwise, but Davis is quite good for where he was picked in the draft. My only issue is that people overrate him and think he should be the starting PF of this team in a few years. If Davis is viewed as the energy big who plays 8-10 minutes a game, potentially more minutes against opponents like Dwight Howard, etc., then he has a very solid role on this team.

by TomHamilton30 on Sep 26, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

stubby is ok, sometimes more than ok. his heart is bigger than his talent and he can be an anchor for the second team. he’s not a starter but a heckuve role player.

by nazzbo on Sep 26, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Davis thinks he's better than most observers do.

For him, that’s a strength and a weakness; two sides of the same coin. It makes him play harder. But it probably also grates on him, causing him to wonder (I suspect) if he gets enough touches and if he’s paid enough.

by no kidding on Sep 26, 2010 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

No Kidding...

Bingo. You are correct… and that is part of the larger, but unspoken view of this article.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

How quickly we forget

Davis has won us games in the playoffs were the rest of the team looked unable to step up. If Immaturity is part of the package, I´ll gladly take it.

I think he is able to become a starter in this league. Starter doesn´t mean key player, there are worse starters in the nba right now.

Oh, and I am a cool guy.

by Casperian on Sep 26, 2010 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

+1000000

True – fans seem to forget how valuable he’s been when giving their evaluations. He’ll be a starter soon, I predict, though probably not here. He just keeps getting better.
And immaturity? Wow, he’s a lot more mature than I was at his age. Give the young man a break and enjoy his funny personality. He doesn’t have a mean bone in his body and everyone on the team loves him.

by mmbaby on Sep 26, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casperian....lol

Now I am confused. A cool guy on my side.

Agreed that he could be more than some (many?) think he is. And I realize I can be wrong, too.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Third Type

I think there’s a third type of view of Davis: the view that he’s a valuable bench player for us now, but probably not a part of our long term future. Given that case, though I like what he’s done for the C’s over the past few years, I would consider trading him at the deadline. We can afford to if our bigs stay healthy and Perk comes back and/or Harangody/Erden prove to be NBA players.

I wouldn’t trade him on a whim or as a throw in, but if it’s clear that Daniels/Wafer can’t effectively play backup SF, I’d think about dealing BBD. Unfortunately, he’s one of our few desirable assets and though I think he has a future in this league, I don’t think it’s here. Simply put, we can’t afford to waste valuable future salary cap room on a player who will likely be a career backup.

by Jon on Sep 26, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

good point Jon

Glen, if he plays well, could play himself right into a trade. I could see that happening.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Baby for a lot of reasons

he plays with heart and energy and his game is unconventional enough to take people off guard

but I also get frustrated by him sometimes – in particular his emotional mood swings and his penchant for getting eaten up inside (if people can complain about Tony Allen dribbling the ball off his foot, I can complain about Baby getting consistently blocked – which has the same result)

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V

by Jeff Clark on Sep 26, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

sometimes he has gotten eaten up inside because he was the only Celtic pursuing and GETTING the offensive board amongst other teams tall trees while our other big men were not there

but I agree there were more than a few times he should have passed the ball back out after securing the offensive rebound…….but the guy can flat out rebound for his size

in terms of the emotional mood swings I am not so sure I saw that too much last year……perhaps I did not see those last year as I might have been having emotional mood swings of my own with my local cable company.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Sep 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless...

he finally puts in the hoop, in which case it is good for building up his rebound total and scoring points. Doh! (I didn’t really say that, did I?)

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, from mid February on, that happened a LOT less

BBD started doing a much better job of being patient and clearing before going up for the put-back.

He’s sort of the opposite of Perk. Perk’s weakness was taking too much time and doing things like dribbling once to try to get perfect position instead of just going up immediately and putting it up.

BBD’s early weakness was rushing to put it back up, but that would too often be with taller players still right on top of him because they were just fighting for the same rebound. Davis’ became more effective when he slowed down, and remembered to use his strength to clear space before going back up or passing.

Still couldn’t avoid it all the time, but the putback blocks happened a lot less down the stretch.

by mmmmm on Sep 26, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

glen is good...

But its not a black and white debate. Davis has not shown enough self awareness to harness everything within his own control to be the best he can be.

I have no doubt that Davis could be a starter and a very strong offensive player – but its hard to fully get behind a guy who sets his own roadblocks…I want to see intelligence this year, not talent

by BillfromBoston on Sep 26, 2010 4:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Aw, Bill....

Now you ruined my whole black and white debate thing.

Intelligence and good judgment are not always kindred spirits. Contrary to some, I think Davis is actually intelligent. Good judgment…well…that is another thing entirely. And I hope he has turned the corner there, but we will know more clearly this season.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huh?

“Those who love Glen Davis and those who don’t”??? Kinda meaningless statement.

Might as well say that people are divided into two camps regarding Glen Davis, Those born on the weekend, and those born on weekdays. Or those whose names start with letters in the first half of the alphabet, and those whose names start in the second half.

by guava_wrench on Sep 26, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Guave_wrench...

I kind of thought it more like those who like him and well, you know….

attempting to illustrate the point that there is little middle ground on opinions about Glen.

But using your example, I guess you and I must be in one camp because H comes right after g….unless it is T…wait, I’m confused again.

by Tom Halzack on Sep 26, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you meant ‘love him or hate him.’

by guava_wrench on Sep 26, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

When he's done so much for our team

It’s hard to keep listening to the die-hard haters. It gets old and tends to makes one wonder what it is in themselves that make certain fans so hateful. Darn, how can anyone hate a guy who cares so much about others and gives 100% on the floor.
Makes one wonder.

by mmbaby on Sep 26, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Harangody will make him work for it

Leon made BBD earn PT. Lately he has not had much comp. Harangody will change that. Haragody has a better outside shot. Rebounds Better. Can finish around the rim better. BBD may be a better defender; but he better be ready for a battle.

by Green is Good on Sep 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Baby does NOT need to earn playing time anymore

I think he’s already done that and that’s why Doc plays him right behind KG

by mmbaby on Sep 27, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

If nothing else...

…they need him as an enforcer/thug, and he’s one of the best in the NBA at that.

by Raef on Sep 27, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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