30Q: Who Should Be Inactive?
by Jeff Clark on Sep 5, 2010 9:48 PM EDT
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PrintBarring any further changes to the roster, the Celtics will head into camp with 17 players. Two of them (presumably Lafayette and Gaffney) will be cut. They can carry 12 active players on the roster and three will be put on the inactive list. Kendrick Perkins is out till February, so he's one of the inactive spots. So who will the other two be?
The starters will include Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Kevin Garnett. It has already been established that the Celtics expect Jermaine O'Neal to start and Shaquille O'Neal to come off the bench. I'm sure there's still a chance they could flip flop, but both are obviously on the active roster. Other presumed active players include Nate Robinson, Marquis Daniels, and Glen Davis.
That leaves the inactive candidates to be Avery Bradley, Von Wafer, Delonte West, Luke Harangody, and Semih Erden.
It would seem to me that the guy with the most talent on that list is Delonte, but nothing is guaranteed with him (including his contract). The other 4 guys might each benefit from some time in Maine working on their games against live competition. So it probably comes down to fit and need.
Can Harangody provide some depth at the 3 in a pinch? Can Bradley provide bursts of defensive pressure backing up Rondo and Nate? Do we need a big body in the event that one of the O'Neals has some bumps or bruises?
So which 2 players (in addition to Perkins) would you start the season on the inactive list?
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There’s no need for another point guard so Bradley shouldn’t be there. Wafer should be there because you can’t expect the Celtics to play a bunch of point guards against bigger lineups every single night. It comes down to Harangody and Erden. I don’t see Erden playing in the D-League for some reason, but Harangody scores well enough to earn this spot in training camp. Erden wouldn’t go to the D-League but would be another big body to have in practice and he could learn from some of the best big guys to ever play the game.
no use for now for Bradley or Erden
Delonte will play a ton on this team, and Harangody can shoot and rebound, he can give us some good minutes at the three since we have no real backup 3. I think Wafer will get a real shot to make the rotation to start the season, and if they are not impressed with him he will be cut.
I think many are forgetting that shaq doesnt play back to backs anymore
So unless we are gonna go small Erden will see some burn as the reserve center
believe me I am not excited about this and would rather have either of the 2 rooks than him. But realistically …
by Warrior Spirit on Sep 5, 2010 10:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Glen Davis
Don’t forget that they are comfortable with Big Baby as a backup 4/5, and they don’t really need Erden if they go with a 4 man rotation. Even if Shaq misses the occasional back-to-back Big Baby, JO and KG will handle the big man rotation (and you have to imagine Shaq won’t miss big games).
Davis should stay exclusively at the 4, playing with a 5 on the block.
Davis should be allowed to develop consistency at his natural position, the 4.
Don't find this that hard
Your top 10 are going to be:
C: Shaq / JO
PF: KG / BBD
SF: Pierce / Daniels
SG: Ray / West
PG: Rondo / AB
Perk is obviously out.
Wafer makes the cut because he can shoot and you need the depth at wing. AB goes to the DL since you don’t need the PG depth and he can’t shoot, and he needs to learn how to play PG. That leaves Semi and Luke. You can toss a coin – but I think they go with Luke, KG and BBD are both plausible as Centers in an emergency and I think Luke could be a big SF in an emergency, where as Semi probably gets abused, so I keep Luke.
That lineup looks good...
But you forgot Nate Robinson. That’s a good thing, our bench is going to be awesome.
Danny lost some points with me, he gave up a guy like Walker who proved to be a good nba player! Now Gody and Bradley? Bradley is the bigger investment of the 2, so he deserves the most time, Nate could get traded if bradley plays that crazy defense. we are at a time that we can’t affort to have 1st round busts, danny needs to develop these players, and start drafting smart. We need to draft a lot of bigs.
Walker hasn't proved much
Just saying…
by nba is the worst on Sep 6, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
well...
West is suspended for the first 10 games so obviously he and Perk will be two of the default people on the inactive list at the start of the season. I’d say the third inactive player will be Erden since he seems to be the least NBA ready from what I’ve seen.
Once West comes back, I think it’ll be Erden and Bradley on the inactive list along with Perk because West will be more ready to contribute immediately.
Good point
I think they don’t send anyone to the D-League for a while, so they can all learn from the big club for a while. Then they can change who is active and who is inactive from game to game as needed. For example, the nights where they have back to backs, they will likely not play Shaq for one of those games, so Erden gets to be active and Shaq can be inactive.
If Avery is on the inactive roster
I have a bad feeling he will never crack the 12 man roster, and each year we’ll just be seeing him in the preseason and talking about his potential.
At least for the start of the season....
……West, Erden & Perkins.
Delonte West and Erden.
West is really not that good, and we already know what he has. Other guys need to have a chance to develop and a chance to improve and show what they’re worth.
In the new Geico commercial, Marte sings "Let me be myself" on Wedge's front lawn (with the cavemen).
Size and potential
Lots of Euro bigs have made the jump to the NBA
by nba is the worst on Sep 6, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
clearly avery and harangody will be sent down to the red claws(d-league) as soon as possible
doc has to get shaq,J.O.,wafer,delonte settled in
Facts of life. This is the Celtics, and Doc's the coach. Rookies don't play.
Harangody and Bradley will be in the D-league. Erden, who’s been a pro for years, will be the squad’s fifth big man. If Wafer can’t surprise everyone with his defense, then he’ll be the third inactive guy.
Finally, there’s the possibility Wafer or West will be cut in order to keep Gaffney on board, as a defensive 3.
It wouldn't be a shock
… to see Gaffney beat out Wafer.
Deactivate West
I think West should be inactive until he can assume a real role on the team. I know he’s been here before, but it’s definitely a new team.
I rather...
i’ll have Bradley sit and Marquis sit. honorable mention (trade Quis and Nate for a future pick)
erden + harangody will get cut
when the team need any extra spot
by friedgreentomatoes on Sep 6, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions
Early on in the season, Erden sits
because the aches and pains of the season haven’t hit us in the BIG and TALL department. Of course Perk sits as does Delonte for the first 10 games. So that is Perk, Erden and Delonte that are inactive.
When Delonte is available, Bradley is the player who then sits, making it Perk, Erden and Bradley who are inactive.
Bradley and Harangody will spend time in Maine, not so much Erden.
The Celtics will have Erden available each night (once the season gets the first month or so out of the way) as the 5th big. Erden’s time will be better spent practicing with the major league squad. So then it is Perk, Harangody and Bradley that are inactive.
Of course any injuries from within the core group will affect the inactive list.
Right
But Bradley is first rounder and playing time in NBA is vital for his development. So no D-league. Erden can be called from D-league in case of injury.
Each player can be assigned to the D-league no more than three times per season.
You cannot wear out the road between Boston and Portland moving these guys back and forth. That is why I think Erden will not spend much time in Maine.
Erden will be active whenever there is a back to back or whenever a big needs a night off.
Bradley and Harangody
will spend their first season in the D-League. Erden is more proven, will earn his spot during the FIBA-WCs also because of his size, Harangody is to small. With Delonte the missed guard spot is filled and we are ready with another big on the bench if one of the O’Neals gets hurt.
PG: Rondo/ Robinson (I like Nates improvements as a PG in the playoffs.)
SG: Allen/ West (just great)
SF: Pierce/ Daniels (Quisy must improve or he will be traded)
PF: Garnett/ Davis (just great)
C: JO/ Shaq / Erden (with Perk back Erden will go inactive)
The SF position is critical to me. I dislike Daniels performance from last year. PP struggles with his health after a great start – he needs also a good backup like the other stars. The season is long and I hope Daniels improves… At the offensive end I’m optimistic, because of the injury he had last year he will be in better shape this season but at the defensive end he definitely must improve – but that won’t happen (Thibodeau is gone) – I guess he will be traded next year before the deadline ^_°
i think it comes down to erden and harangody as the last spot
bradley will go to the d-league to heal, get playing time as will erden or harangody depending on which one plays better in the preseason. erden has the length and defense but is raw, harangody is smaller but has the offense, positioning and rebounding. it will be interesting to watch. cant wait for the first celtic preseason game, oct 6 i believe
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Sep 6, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Von Wafer
I see Erden being the guy at start of year since he just seemed not very good to me during Summer League. On the other hand I thought Gaffney looked like a “maybe a 3 back up”. Not a shooter but a defense-first, runner. But probably not enough room for him. I hope they keep him in Portland.
Von Wafer was a bust in Europe. Most often if he walks like a bust and talks like a bust, maybe he’s a bust.
I have a great feeling that Bradley is going to be a draft day steal and I also think Harangody makes it
Only players with fewer than two years' experience may be assigned to an NBA D-League team...
Wafer has been in the league 3 years, so he could not be assigned to the Red Claws. If Von Wafer was not activated, all he could do is practice and sit on the bench in street clothes during game.
semih and west to start then semih and bradley
west can’t play the first 10 games so he will be on ir until November some time. After that it will be bradley and semih barring an injury to shaq or Jermaine. They are thin at sf and haragody gives them a shooter
Wafer and Bradley, generally
Wafer is a total NBA fringe player.
It will be impossible to keep Harangody off the court.
Semih will stay with the team initially to get used to the travel, etc. Second half of the year he visits Red Claws unless JO or Snaq get injured.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Positions Don't Matter
A simple examination of positions would lead one to believe that Erden or Harangody would have to make the active roster as the 5th big. But I don’t see it that way. On most nights we won’t need a 5th big. And given the fact that we can adjust the active roster on a night to night basis, there’s no need to keep one of them on the active roster if Bradley is deserving to be there. We could live with Pierce playing 5 minutes at the 4 during the regular season if push came to shove.
So I’d just say whoever is most deserving come the end of training camp should be on the roster.
you can adjust the actives/inactives
but you can’t send folks willy-nilly back & forth between the D-League and the NBA squads.
If you are going to need to adjust to fill in with a big man due to back-to-backs and rest, then you are going to want that big to be on your 15, not in the D-League.
Can Harangody guard NBA small forwards?
If not, I see him in the D League. Doc’s first requirement is on the defensive side.
matchups
The answer to that question is: It depends.
He almost certainly can defend some small forwards. And almost certainly will struggle against others. Still others will depend on how the teams matchup as a whole.
Right now, our depth at Small Forward is Pierce & Daniels & Harangody. Daniels, when healthy, is very good in this role (he posted excellent numbers subbing for Pierce last fall, prior to his injury). But there are a few bigger SFs that Daniels will look awfully slight against. In those cases, you actually might prefer Harangody as he should be more difficult to post up. Speed guys could kill him though. Still, to provide 5-10 minutes against bench SFs? Shouldn’t be too big of a deal.
Offensively, Harangody is probably a better more versatile player than Daniels. LH has both an inside and outside game, while Daniels is primarily a slasher and facilitator.
Overall, too many questions still to really say what Doc & Danny & Co. will do.
Not easy to predict until at least the preseason is well under way
and even then Doc probably won’t show his hand until he has to.
Because of West’s suspension, the start of the season is easier to predict:
Perk
West
Bradley
Although I have huge expectations out of Bradley down the road, he is not only stuck in the most redundant part of the roster (1/2) he is also the one who is most likely to benefit from time with the Red Claws. I think there is still a very good chance he gets some time with the NBA club this year, but I wouldn’t put heavy expectations on it.
Erden and Harangody are both older, more experienced and as big men, more valuable on the depth chart by being on the 15-man. At least one will be with the team all year. Whether both will stay in the top 15 probably depends on what happens at the 2.
By the time West’s suspension is up, it is hard to predict what sorts of changes in status may have occurred by then.
Wafer is past his 3 years vetting and so if he makes the team is not going to the D-League.
It will come down in large part to whether Wafer has played his way back into good graces. If Wafer has, then I’m not sure West beats him out – Wafer has more physical potential if he can be coached.
Neither West nor Wafer can be sent to the D-League. If Doc ends up keeping both around, then that will push either Harangody or Erden over to the D-League.
Gaffney is a wild-card, providing potentially another option at the SF spot, but I don’t expect him to beat out any of the names above. If he does get kept over West or Wafer, he’ll probably end up in the D-League.
The first couple of weeks of the season are going to be very interesting, right from the start.
Well thinking long term down the road when Perk comes back....
the main starters and back ups will no doubt probably be:
PG: Rondo – Robinson
SG: Allen – West
SF: Pierce – Daniels
PF: Garnett – Jermaine – Davis
C: Perk – Shaq
thats 11 players right their who will be in the main rotation and who will be playing the bulk of the minutes…
Player 12…. will probably be who ever impresses Doc most during the year, the player we need on a given night to fill in for a injured player or the player who can on a given night help us match up better with a opposing team.
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