30Q: Who Is The 6th Man?
by Jeff Clark on Sep 7, 2010 9:02 PM EDT
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In case you missed it, Chris Forsberg is running down his own list of questions (and enlisting the help of many Celtics blogs to do it). So I'm going to quote our own writers and point you to his article for the rest.
Jimmy Toscano, CelticsBlog (Glen Davis)
The sixth man of the year is none other than Glen "Big Baby," "Uno Uno," "Sweet Feet," "The 11th Hour," "Shrek" Davis. I've always been a big fan of Davis. I just love the energy he brings to the game and the effort he gives the entire time he's out there. I'm also assuming that Shaq and Jermaine O'Neal split enough starts that neither one will be considered a certified "bench" guy like Davis will be. When he's in the game he does a lot of little things that bench players should do.
He's the best on the team (per 48 minutes) at taking charges, he's great on the offensive glass and he pumps up the crowd. He can provide that offensive spark that was often needed (and missing) last season.
Greg Payne, CelticsBlog (Entire bench)
I didn't label one single player as the team's MVP, and I'll do the same with the team's sixth man. Bench help at each and every position will be critical for the Celtics this season. Glen Davis needs to come through so that Kevin Garnett can rest. Marquis Daniels needs to stay healthy so that Paul Pierce can rest. The same goes for Von Wafer and Ray Allen, as well Nate Robinson and Rajon Rondo. I can't see one specific bench player distinguishing himself from his counterparts, but that all relates back to the team aspect that the Celtics have thrived upon these past three seasons. Each and every player matters, and bench players are no exception.
Hmmm, I think Greg cheated a little on this question, but we'll give him a free pass just this once.
Bonus link: Celtics Hub calls it a tough choice
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UNO UNO
Big baby Davis, he’ll get his staring roll when the big 3 are gone. As in for now, he’ll be machale.
by CBleedsGreeN on Sep 7, 2010 10:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope Baby has a breakout year.....
as he seemed to regress last year with alot of up and down inconsistent performances.
I still think (due to no fault of his own) his lack of length really hurts him especially against longer power forwards.
This lack of length hurts him on defense where he has trouble defending longer power forwards, rebounding against them and getting his shots off against them.
(Seeing him get so many shots blocked last year and many more altered by his longer defenders was just so frustrating to watch).
I am glad the C’s have Jermaine now who Doc will probably throw on the longer power forwards which will allow Baby to match up against shorter power forwards instead which he has a easier playing against.
Could see either Baby or West being the 6
by Warrior Spirit on Sep 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
the most over rated player on the celtics
is big baby davis. please don’t write an article about him
Agreed
We’ve seen the length of some threads that discuss him. He doesn’t deserve an article on his own, but since it is the boring offseason I’m fine with an article on each player.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Greg is right.
It’s a team game. Why is it so important to single out who “The 6th Man” is?
Dumb concept
Just a stupid question to ask. You don’t need a ‘6th’ man. You need a bench.
If 6th man means bench leader...
…than it going to be Shaq.
I want a surprise!
Would love to see any one of them put in great and consistent performance all year. Davis? West? Harangody? Erden or Robinson? Shaq?….Perk, when he comes back? Fire them up and bring Banner 18 to Boston! I would love it if the whole bench could share a sixth man award.
Really?! 57% of the votes??
If Shaq is coming off the bench then how can you call it “splitting time” as opposed to 6th man? Was Bill Walton just splitting time? Shaq should absolutely be the primary player off the bench (or Jermaine O’Neal if Shaq starts), not Glen Davis.
Based upon our depth at positions, here is how our 6th man competition should look:
1) Shaq
2) Delonte
3) Davis
4) Nate
You hold a very personal bias and grudge towards Davis because you were, and I guess still are a “Powe guy”
It boggles my mind the haters certain players get from their own fan base, and you always have an agenda to demean davis as a player whenever hes posted about.
Davis>Powe
I'm making no mention of Powe
Nor would I want Powe as the 6th man on this team b/c I don’t think he’s good enough. I make a point b/c I feel disgusted that Davis is considered the “future @ the PF spot” for this franchise when he is the most overrated player on this blog, and I have ample stats to back it up. I’ve watched the Celtics be mediocre or bad for too many years, and handing the reins to Davis would ensure the team in that direction again.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
When was he considered the "future @ the PF spot"?
Sorry, I agree with lennz. I’m not sure if you’re a Powe guy, but you probably heard BBD being “future @ the PF spot” from very few guys, and not the majority.
As I stated above, I don't want Powe as 6th man either
Powe is not good enough to be the 6th man on this team, and neither is Davis. There are a lot of people on here who see Davis as our starting PF in a few years, which frightens me.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
btw, check out the 1st poster in this thread
He thinks Davis will start @ PF… and he’s not the last :(
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Never said there was a consensus
Just said there a good amount of people on this board who wanted Davis to be the starting PF of the future, and I personally don’t see that as being a particularly successful move.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You are assuming that West is going to get more minutes than Daniels and/or Wafer?
I wouldn’t take that as a given.
Dear Mr. Jimmy Toscano
First off, cool name.
Second, you wrote the following about Davis: “He’s the best on the team (per 48 minutes) at taking charges, he’s great on the offensive glass and he pumps up the crowd. He can provide that offensive spark that was often needed (and missing) last season.”
I’m all for highlighting the positives, and Davis certainly has some, but you’re ignoring 95% of the rest of his game. For example, you cited his offensive rebounds and taking charges, however the Celtics were worse in EVERY other catagory with Davis on the court (see on/off stats: http://www.82games.com/0910/09BOS15.HTM), and I think the case could be made that he’s NOT the offensive spark this team needs. Nor is Davis very good at creating his own shot, which is something the 2nd unit needs. On the other hand, Shaquille O’neal can create his own shot, which is why Doc will put Shaq in before Davis.
Also, Big baby can create his shot much better than shaq
Youre basically grasping at straws
I'm not sure if you're trolling me or being serious..
How often could you go down to Davis in the post 1 on 1? (Or how often would you want to?).
Davis was at his best in 2009 when he’d pop out for a 10-15 foot jump shot when others were doubling Pierce, etc.
In 2010 they changed roles for him a bit, and his jumper wasn’t really there anyway, so he was at his best when someone drove to the hoop and dished to him. He’d then get a 1-dribble move to get momentum and draw contact. That was is go to move, and it worked.
In no way do either of those scenarios constitute creating your own shot, so I think you sir are grasping for straws.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree...
Shaq can easily get his shot off in the low post.
Baby can not due to his length lack of length and arm wing span.
Totally disagree.
Shaq has no jumper, but he can post up any player on the planet.
BBD does have a mid-range jumper, but there are still a lot of guys he can NOT post up.
If you need a score and your choice is to get the ball into BBD’s hands or Shaq’s – you are going to want to get it into Shaq’s.
He gets his shot blocked.. drool...
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Hey now, Davis has good qualities
Sure he gets his shot blocked a lot, but he’s also getting a high amount of offensive rebounds and taking charges. Those are valuable things Mr. Birdbrain. I know he lacks a lot in other departments, which makes it logical to have either Jermaine or Shaq be the 1st off the bench, but there is a place on this roster for him. I see Davis being the next big after those guys, and hope he has a good year!
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Of course BBD is the C's 6th man.
if you have any BBIQ at all.
"Do you know that nonbelievers create the most positive energy?" Davis said
Then what is Shaq?
If Jermaine O’Neal starts, is Davis the first off the bench to replace him? It was my understanding that Shaq would either start or be the first off the bench. At least, according to Doc’s BBIQ.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
With Perk out for several months
I´d argue BBD is our 5th man
So you advocate Davis over Jermaine or Shaq?
I’m just wondering. Personally I wouldn’t, but it’s ok if you are.
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow aerosmith you are really not a fan of bbd eh?
by Warrior Spirit on Sep 8, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No - he's just pointing out that the '5th man' is a _starter_.
Casperian’s post reads like an advocacy to start BBD instead of JO or Shaq.
You don’t have to beat up BBD to disagree with that idea.
Precisely!
I was going to respond originally but thought that if by not wanting Davis as our starting Center somehow equals me hating Davis then there’s no use in resonding anyway lol.
I should have known that a topic of “Will Davis be our best 6th man” would turn into a “why stop at 6th man when he should start!” thread lol
by TomHamilton30 on Sep 8, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, advocate is too strong a word
I just think that JO has always been a PF, and even more so after his last big injury three years ago. He could be a good backup PF, but I´d prefer Baby over him at Center.
At 38 years of age, it is not unreasonable to expect that Shaq will be in sharp decline, and injuries are always possible at his age. I think it´s only fair to expect that Shaq´s and Baby´s value and contributions to the team will be about equal. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
So, if I have to decide between a 38 and a 24-year-old, I´d give the starting spot to the younger player. He gets valuable experiene for the playoffs, confidence, and if it doesn´t work out, you hae a rested veteran on the bench to take over.
You might think those are 'not unreasonable expectations'
but if simply go by most recent measured results (i.e. last year), then no. Shaq and JO are still much better players than BBD – Shaq at C and JO at both C and PF. JO isn’t all that old anyway.
I like BBD a lot, but even with all his improvements last year, he’s not yet where he needs to be if he wants to be other than a situational matchup player.
I would not hesitate to put JO or Shaq on the floor against pretty much any Center in the NBA. There is a long list of guys who I would rather not have BBD go against. That said there are also some guys who I would prefer to have BBD against.
With experience, BBD may get to that point where his height doesn’t matter in that equation (See: Wes Unseld, 1970s). But he’s not there yet.
How many games will we play till dwest can play?
by farias on Sep 8, 2010 9:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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