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Back to Back Blues, or How Doc Checked Out Early and So Did I

This was one ugly game. Both the Suns and the Celtics started out slowly in the first quarter, and the Suns woke up first and pulled out to a big lead. Davis & Rondo left the game with injuries, and the game just kept going without

After that the Celtics didn't pull close until late in the fourth getting within 9 points late and then the fireworks started. KG got his feet underneath Channing Frye and appeared to hit him in a "sensitive area" with his arm. It didn't look deliberate to me, as KG was looking at the ball at that point. The ensuing chest bumping resulted in a lot of free throws and KG's ejection.

After that the benches were cleared and the C's put up the white flag. The technical free throws and ejection of KG meant it was game over, frankly I thought it was over before that. The C's never gave up despite their poor play, but they just didn't have it tonight.

Up next the Los Angeles Lakers Sunday afternoon.

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what happened to KG

shut the game off a few minutes into the 4th? and i gotta think erden starts. erden>gody

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I've defended KG for a lot of questionable behavior over the years

but that one was all on him. and to do it once we were finally starting to make some headway just made it even worse.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't agree

KG tapped with his hand, missed by a few hundredths of a second, ended up tapping Frye just ABOVE the genitals. So? KG just committed a foul. What Frye did was not a foul, it was tech-worthy misbehavior.

How is that “all on” KG? It’s not. It’s on Frye, if anyone. Refs got this way, way wrong. Par for the night for them.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Tapped?

You don’t know that he tapped the guy in his privates. You assume. It didn’t look like a tap or a hard hit, but obviously it hurt as the guy buckled over in pain.

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

...and jumped up ONE SECOND later?

… with no sign of pain whatsoever? Pretty close to impossible…. (Btw, I’m saying he was NOT hit in the privates….hope that’s clear enuf)

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

not good. cant afford to give away games

and surely cant afford to let the heat, magic, etc gain games on us because we are missing players due to suspension when we are already fighting injuries. i like KG but thats the part of him i cant stand. hopefully davis isnt out to long with his hamstring injury

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

These games are not winnable

Schedule makes them so. We just move on.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I do not think KG will be suspended...

but if he is and Baby can not play my choice is Erden.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Where is the vaunted Celtic offense?

Wow that was UGLY. Guess playing on a back to back was too much for the Celtics older players to muster much of an effort tonight. Celtics came out slow, lethargic and unwilling to play defense or run the offense. This game was effectively over after the 1st quarter which was disappointing to see. The C’s only managed to cut the lead into single digits once in the second half and never gave any indication of making a comeback. Scoring 71 points against a terrible defensive team is inexcusable.

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

'unwilling'?

Umm… how about ‘too tired’?

All the symptoms of tired legs were there in this game: Slow lateral movement on defense and poor shooting on offense.

You can be as willing as you want, but if your legs are shot, your legs are shot.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup...

fatigue had to be one reason at least for the C’s struggles tonight.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Impossible games can't be won

When you get into town at the same time your body expects to wake up — you’re not going to have a good game a few hours later. Simple math (East = West + 3 hours) plus simple biology (all mammals need sleep to function correctly) = forgettable, throw-away game.

Cs lost to the NBA tonight. (NBA as schedule-makers, NBA as referee employers.) I could hardly care less. Next.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 4:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

Back to backs have been brutal this year. That 9 game stretch month last month was crazy

by Tenacious D on Jan 29, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

East to West?

The Celtics were in Portland the night before..

Well, no matter. Getting to your hotel at 4 AM will screw you over, for sure.

by Tai on Jan 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the "night before" is part of the problem, sets it up

… by making sure they can’t get to sleep before around 8:30am body-clock-time (which = East coast time). I put the gory details here: http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/1/29/1962713/nbas-west-has-built-in-advantage-over-east

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

KG

KG won’t be suspended.

by christheceltic on Jan 29, 2011 1:16 AM EST reply actions  

They had a chance after the flagrant on KG

Down to nine points and had momentum…

Then somehow 4 techs to 1??? After what should have been a no call on KG!

How didn’t Gortat get a tech in that? How did KG get 2?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Celts played awful, but the refs were worse! And by tossing Doc and that last parade to the free throw line with awful biased T calling, gave the game to the Suns.

And before you get into the usual rounds of Nate hate… he was up in all the Suns faces, ready. I think it’s good to have someone with that energy. Let’s just hope his shooting % can begin to match his intensity again!

by Ergoat on Jan 29, 2011 1:18 AM EST reply actions  

Javie used to be one of the better refs in the league. Last night shows that he is on a power trip just like the rest of them. I lost all respect for him after that. Doc told Javie it was about the game and not about him as he was tossed. Javie proved to Doc that the game WAS about him by tossing KG and calling T’s on the Celtics but not on the Suns. Gortat did every bit as much in that scuffle as Perk did. It was a power play by Javie at that point.

Perk is a BEAST!!

by FLCeltsFan on Jan 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Game was bad

Not worried about this game, just one of those games of being on a back to back, every one on a verge of injury, team looking ahead to sunday. I think Sunday will be like the Spurs game and we’ll play our best.

by christheceltic on Jan 29, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

Rondo is struggling big time

Rondo was terrible again tonight, not sure where he has been the last couple games - can’t use fatigue as an excuse as he is plenty young enough to play big minutes. He had more turnovers than assists for the 2nd straight game which is pitiful. His play on both ends the last 2 games is not what the C’s expect from their elite PG.

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I wonder if he is hurt possibly ???

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

not just rondo but yeah he's struggling

guys arent catching the ball clean, etc….but man, nobody shot teh ball well outside of KG

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He hasn't been right in a while

And as bad as everyone played last night, this team gets its offensive flow from Rondo. We needed him to carry us last night and he just couldn’t do it. Something to keep an eye on..

by roz80 on Jan 29, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

C’s laid a big egg tonight....

Not sure if the C’s were tired playing back to back games on the road, did not take the Suns seriously, were looking ahead to the Lakers game or all of the above… but what ever the reason the C’ just did not bring it tonight mentally or physically.

Rondo, Shaq, Pierce and Perk all struggled tonight.
KG who had a strong low post offensive game was the only one who seemed to play well.

C’s need to put this game behind them get 2 nights of good sleep and get ready for L.A.
A win on Sunday will make them and the rest of Celtic nation forget about this game and feel a hell of alot better.
.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:19 AM EST reply actions  

steve javie

knew it was coming. watch we will get bavetta and crawford for the lakers game and we will be screwed again.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Its so sad… I hate watching the games nowadays… I wish Van Excel was there to choke that ref again.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Salvatore

We haven’t had him yet and we’re due. He is just plain incompetent along with hating the C’s. Yeah, I’d say a crew of Bavetta, Crawful and Salvatore would definitely mean playing 5 on 8 for the Celtics.

Perk is a BEAST!!

by FLCeltsFan on Jan 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

So who backs up KG Sunday?

As for tonight, embarrassing. So sick of hearing the back to back crying. While i know the whole team was bad, rondo is really struggling. And if he plays poorly it is difficult for this team to win. I think Rondo is hurt.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

i think so too

rondo seems like he’s injured as he is not at full speed

by bigislandbob on Jan 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

with such a high percentage of techs

rescinded, doesn’t the NBA owe us fans an explanation? it could have been an exciting finish and a better product but the refs decided we’d rather watch them officiate.

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

yeah...

Don’t we all wish we could be paid well for only getting the job done right 66% of the time?

by Ergoat on Jan 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I could be paid 15-20 million a year

And then have everybody cry for me about back-to-back games. The Celts should just tell the league they are forfeiting these games since they are impossible to win.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

On the bright side

Lakers lost tonight at home to the Kings…. Sunday should be interesting

~Aaron

by bostonceltics on Jan 29, 2011 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

looking at the box score....WOW

cousins and dalembert DESTROYED the lakers bigs. shocked

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

only 2 Lakers in double digits

theyre lucky they only lost by 5, they wouldve gotten killed against a good team

~Aaron

by bostonceltics on Jan 29, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

eh...

possibly celtic fever—Im sure they/ll be a little more hungry against the C’s on Sunday.

by wisco87 on Jan 29, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

not blaming refs. just steve javie usually is quick to blow the wistle on us

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 there is zero chance the Celtics were coming back tonight that is the reality. It was obvious from almost the opening tip that the C’s had no interest in winning this game

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

the refs didn't lose the game for them

but they were awful, and it might have been close at the end. anyhow what else is there to talk about?

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

it really wasn't interest.

when have a cross country flight, combined with a late game, then a back to back in an earlier time zone, with a core group of players whose average age is 35… just a perfect storm for a bad game.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

the Cs lost this without help from the refs - they couldn't shoot worth crap

and turned the ball over like it was covered in WD-40.

BUT that doesn’t excuse the pathetic, ridiculously miserable performance by the refs. The performance of the refs was, imho, far worse than what the C’s did and far less excusable. Everybody on that court has a job to do. The Cs didn’t do a good job. The refs did a horrible, horrible job.

They lost control of the game early by being wildly inconsistent in their calls and allowing far to much physical play. That lead pretty much inevitably to the mess that the game ended up at.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Celtics got in at 4AM from what i heard

I’m sure the fatigue played a huge factor to the loss

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

Back to back road games definitely wasn’t good for their legs.

Defender of the Universe

by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Offensive offense

WIth Rondo struggling the Celtics offense has started to falter in recent games.

The offense has really struggled recently – in the 2nd half against the Wizards, last night against Portland and again tonight in Phoenix. The Celtics are now regularly struggling to score 80 points against less than stellar defensive teams which is a huge concern.

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

Agree...

As Rondo goes so do the C’s and when he does not go they usually do not as well.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

it will be a little better when delonte comes back

i like nate but he’s alot better off ball

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

With both your comments that it will be better when Delonte returns and it will hopefully help Nate’s game as well since it will allow him to move back to the 2 guard position and concentrate solely on shooting the ball instead of bringing it up the court when he has to play the 1 position which is possibly disrupting his shooting rhythm.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It's both reassurring and terrifying at the same time

He just sets the tone offensively. They all play off of him obviously and when he has these types of games the C’s are left to rely on individual performances to get by. He’s great but there is somethinag about his game that just seems off right now.

by roz80 on Jan 29, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Rondo is playing poor basketball

I bet the plantar Gascogne is killing his feet. If he plays poorly they will not win sunday

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST up reply actions  

he's also been rocked hard 3 times the last 2 games

he may have another injury we dont know about.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Rondo and PF

Plantar fascitis is nasty—I have had it for the past year and when it’s inflamed, you can barely walk across the floor without hobbling, much less try to run. It comes and goes in severity, but playing NBA basketball with PF has to be excruciating.

There have been several posts recently about Rondo’s “robotic” play—and I think this has a lot to do with it. It’s hard to explode to the basket when it feels like someone has inserted a 3 inch nail in your heel.

by McHaleinthepost on Jan 29, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

On the bright side

He went 5 for 6 from the line. I don’t know what I’m more happy about…the makes or the fact that he actually got to the line!

by roz80 on Jan 29, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

refs were not the problem tonight

our shots were just not falling at all! open shots we normally couldn’t find the hole. This loss is about being tired, which Doc said we would be.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Nate has to go

The C’s made their oly run of the night and then Nate pulls up for a 3 early in the shot clock after Ray had just hit a 3. It would seem like he would want to get the ball to KG or Ray but No!! he pulls up for a 3!!! I know it was a bad game and we probably would have lost anyway but that was just a bad play.

by Samg on Jan 29, 2011 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I think Nate just shouldn’t play. DW and Von Wafer needs to be the 2nd string backcourt

by vgarcia890 on Jan 29, 2011 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

i just can't imagine

his thought process

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

There isn't one

Nate is an instinct player—I don’t think there is much thought on his part as to game situations. He just goes on instinct—sometimes it works and he’s a sparkplug, but for the past several weeks he’s been a real drag for this team.

by McHaleinthepost on Jan 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense

Nate doesnt fit in the C’s ball rotation / player mov’t approach. At this point waitin’ on Delonte and prayin’ he stays healthy.

by Tenacious D on Jan 29, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

bogus

You know how many awful plays each individual Celtic had tonight?!

And while that was a bad play, Nate was one of the few who had no turnovers.

Rondo had 7! Are you saying get rid of Rondo?

by Ergoat on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

wonder if doc see's it that way too? i mean he keeps playing him

wafer could play SG with delonte at PG when healthy if not…..however i have the feeling doc likes nates offense when its there

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

wen nate plays he gives all he has... Hav u seen his D?

wen rondo was out n he was putting up 20 points was he bad then?? So wait hes struggling he needs to jus calm and take better shots, ilovd house, but u think he wouldnt take stupid shots?? Yes he would alot of then, nates guna help us

by 81bos on Jan 30, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

Nate just takes bad shots. If the celtics superstars take bad shots then I can live with that but I can’t take another bad shot from a 4 foot nothing 3rd string PG shooting 41% on the season and 34% from 3. He pulls up for those 3’s all the time and they never go in what makes him think he can pull up before even setting up a play? Do You see Ray and Paul pulling up for 3’s in every single game?

by Samg on Jan 29, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate

Has definitely reverted to his New York self when he would jack up shots.

Defender of the Universe

by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Strange

Cause he actually scored back at NY. Not so much in a Celtics jersey.

by Tai on Jan 29, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

On the other hand...

During the mini run in the 4th, the Phoenix crowd was LOUDLY chanting “Let’s go Celtics!”

And even more surprising: Booing Steve Nash LOUDLY while he was shooting those unwarranted free throws.

by Ergoat on Jan 29, 2011 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

The stands were dominated by road Celtic nation fans.

Lots of green shirts in the crowd.

All Boston teams are among the best at drawing road fans.

That’s what winning a few championships this last decade does.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to admit

I chuckled when KG hit Fyre down there.

Defender of the Universe

by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:30 AM EST reply actions  

i'd like to see him

try the move on the black mamba sunday

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

The thing is, it was really just a light tap

Frye put on a ridiculous acting job on the flop.

Nobody who gets hit hard enough in the ya-yas to fall down like that then immediately jumps up 1 second later as if nothing happened … unless nothing really happened.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i wasn't proud of kg there

but frye was acting all the way i agree

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

they need to make flopping a tech

that crap is killing the game. instead of worrying about players complaining deal with the flopping!

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

It feels like I'm watching WWE

when refs don’t see what the hell is going on. Someone might as well come in from the bench with a metal chair and smack someone.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

especially when a 170 pound guard runs over a 250 pound center

and he goes flying like superman sneezed on him. i mean use some common sense refs, it’s clear to everyone put you.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

They players might as well come in with their own entrance music.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

They could start with our own Glen Davis who is making a mockery of the game of basketball.

by Finkelskyhook on Jan 29, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Visual Reference

I am not trolling – I don’t care for a response. It seems that this replay would be helpful to the discussion.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

looks more like an accident to me. he barely touched him

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

jeeze in slow motion it looks like he barely touched him

But the really telling thing is what happened in the next few seconds – that show that frye was just acting when he ‘dropped’.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay maybe I lied - I did read your response, but I don't think I am trolling

“Barely Touched him”? Maybe it’s the angle, but look at how far into Frye’s shorts KG’s fist appear to go into.

Do me a favor and reenact this, it’s a light punch to a man’s genitals! And I can say from experience sometime a light tap can be momentarily painful.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Believe me - I fought in martial arts tournaments for years

and been both the giving and receiving ends of ‘light punches’ down there (as well as some not so light).

I’ve seen real responses and I’ve seen faking. That’s faking.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

OK let's say it's faking

You didn’t say it was an accident, but someone above you said it looked like one, but you can definitely see KG reach out and extend his arm and fist directly toward the bullseye (or Sun’s eye, in this case). He meant to tap Frye’s junk, there’s not doubt about that, right?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No Foul

it was all ball

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

:)

Could have been a flagrant two

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

ooh the comedy is deadly tonight! That's worth a TP.

To answer your question, he obviously was reaching out toward Frye as he stepped toward him. His eyes are looking up as he reaches Frye, so I suppose it is possible he wasn’t thinking that his hand would hit Frye in the nads. But he definitely meant to touch foul him somewhere.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

My only point isn't really to justify KG's actions at all.

I’m just pointing out that the actual physical reality of his action, on review, doesn’t look like that big of deal. Especially when you include Frye’s quick ‘recovery’.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not worried

boston’s crack media will get to the bottom of this “KG did you punch or tap Frye in the ball bag?”

I.M. Forme
"When you get yourself into trouble is when you feel you have to do something, and then you get yourself in trouble." --Omar Minaya

by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You aren't justifying them

But you are minimizing the significance of them.

I think this is what they call “bush league”, and I know that is pretty combative language, but I don’t mean to be, I only mean to separate this from other types of unsportsmanlike behavior that is deemed more acceptable. This kind of action is generally regarded as beyond the bounds of accepted behavior amongst players.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Whereas the hard shot on Ray's face last night was 'accepted'.

As was the elbow by Pietrus to KG’s chin tonight. Accepted.

Or the swat to Wafer’s head tonight. Accepted.

Hard head shots are apparently within the bounds of ‘accepted’ behavior.

Whatever. Please spare the morality sermons.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Not a sermon

But you are right, those are accepted as part of rough play in basketball, as incongrous as it may seem, and even a light touch to the genitals is not.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

according to ... you

who now speaks for what is ‘generally regarded’.

You are basically making morality assertions.

Smells suspiciously like a sermon.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Well in fairness to Gil

I don’t think it’s going out on a sermon to say intentionally hitting or touching the genitals is unaccepted generally. I mean exhibit A: Reggie Evans.

I do find it odd though that you have to be a “homer” to even consider it wasn’t intentional.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

And that is the argument that might have more merit, that maybe he meant to hit him in the gut, I’ve seen guys do this

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

The use of the term 'bush league'

kind of establish a tone of pre-judgement.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

OK well then "cheap shot"?

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

resisting Kobe comment

resisting…resisting

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:33 AM EST up reply actions  

i cant do it!!

“yes, you should always ask before abusing someone elses genitals (or other belongings)”

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

ON THE BASKETBALL COURT

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:35 AM EST up reply actions  

At this point - doesn't someone usually

dig up and post the Chris Paul video?

The one of him in college wacking some dude in the ‘unacceptable’ regions?

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

And I’m consistent in saying that, too is beyond the pale, and Reggie Evans, and some guys who do it in the NFL … and I didn’t like Kobe’s arm flailing phase that took out guy’s noses after he would shoot …

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets don't forget Dwight Howard's elbows.

Oh wait – those only crush people in the head, kneck and shoulders.

So those aren’t “bush league”. Those are perfectly acceptable.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:43 AM EST up reply actions  

It is kind of interesting that Pietrus’ shot to KG’s neck/head has gotten no play here. It just goes to show biases go both way.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Am I crazy to say that it's a different category to tap someone in the junk

Than other dirty play, like Bowen-esque reckless inducing play?

It’s not more dangerous to hit someone in the balls, it’s just a different thing.

Maybe I’m crazy.

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

*injury inducing

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you're crazy

Although they may both be subcategories in the larger “crossing the line” category. I can see how someone might not really care to differentiate at that point.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You are actually agreeing with me

I’m not saying Howard’s elbows area good thing, I’m saying it’s a different sort of thing to do what KG did.

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

then we don't agree.

To me it they are all the same ‘sort of thing’. And I don’t condone any of it.

But I do quantify each differently. There is a quantifiable difference between a tap to the cheek and a hard left hook to the jaw. Same sort of thing. Different magnitude.

You seem to think that where someone gets hit has more relevance than how hard. As a former fighter, I’ll disagree. My nose is just as precious to me as my nads.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, we'll have to agree to disagree

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i think we can ALL agree

that no one condones nut punches, they hurt, KG might have tried a cheap shot, Frye played it up, no way KG should have gotten tossed for that, and that kobe is a rapist.

See, we can all get along.

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey hey

accused rapist

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

and of course any hockey players/fans

seeing all this hullabaloo just chuckle and point at it with derision …

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't watch NHL much

They punch each other in the nuts?

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL - not every day

but they do have a lot of fights. And it can get brutal.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

not a lot of cock attacks there, no

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Would get a broken hand by punching someone in the gonads in hockey- steel cup.

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by lygafe on Jan 30, 2011 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

As requested

CP3

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:51 AM EST up reply actions  

is there a better angle?

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions  

what an elbow!

i can remember trying to decide whether i was more surprised that ray did such a thing, or that varaejiau has no male organs in that area

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

That is amazing that Varajeo absorbed that blow

And as we know at times, Ray Allen can be deadly accurate

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If you're an NBA player and do get hit in the balls

to this point, it appears like you definitely want a Celtic to hit you there (little to no effect!).

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh man - I totally forgot about that one!

My man Ray showing he has a temper!

Ray Allen apparently is bush league too!

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

nah I don't think that was bush that was different see

You need must get versed in MY point of view :)

But really, Ray was actually trying to attack Varajeo there for throwing him down … what was KG doing (assuming it was intentional)?

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions  

i think Rays looked

more vicious and with more obvious intent, don’t you?

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Hmm how to word this without getting into a logic trap?

Screw it. Ray Allen’s was not as “cheap”, it was a direct reaction to Varajeos throw-down, and meant to retaliate, and a continuous part of an altercation. They were fighting.

KG was not “fighting” with Frye in a literal sense. He reached out and did something that, without the benefit of video, would probably not have been caught.

C’mon help me out here, don’t you think there’s an obvious difference between these two acts, or are you just trying to argue?

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

put it this way

i am more convinced, from the video, that Ray intended to throw an entire elbow into that rag doll’s crotch than I am that KG intended a cheap shot there. Sure it’s possible but hard for me to say watching it live then rewatching it a couple of times.
I guess you are keying on the retaliation as part of a altercation, but Ray’s kind of upsets me more than KGs, where it is unclear.

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of see the difference, but...

Isn’t a low-blow, a low-blow? It’s not like Ray and Varejao were street fighting and the only rule is to win. It seems like an academic difference to me. Different than say the comparison between an isolated reckless foul that gets someone smacked in the face and what KG did (if intentional) where I do think there is a clear difference.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 3:18 AM EST up reply actions  

well, if he'd tapped Frye on the stomache

then it would be to touch-foul him – something you see a lot of in that situation in the NBA.

So the only possible explanations seem to be:

a) He meant to touch foul him in the stomache and didn’t realize he was hitting him in the nuts or
b) He meant to touch-foul him in the nuts.

I really don’t know or care. I don’t read minds.

I just know that it looks like he barely touched him and Frye’s magical recovery supports that interpretation.

Ray looks like he ‘intended’ to hit Varajao in the nuts. Yes it was in retaliation. But it wasn’t in defense. So I don’t see how it is somehow morally ‘better’. KG had taken at least a couple of hard shots in this game. Maybe his actions were ‘retaliation’.

Violent retaliation is not morally justified in an ostensibly non-violent sport. It was wrong for Ray’s action and it would be wrong if that was the reason behind KG’s action. The only difference is we don’t know for sure whether KG’s action was retaliation or unprovoked or accident or whatever.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 3:17 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, this

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 3:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish I could have seen what you wrote about Ray Allen doing this

So I can check on your consistency

But I am tired and lazy.

So you guys were upset with Ray Allen elbowing Varajeo in the nuts back then?

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:21 AM EST up reply actions  

like all americans, i hate Varajeo

so not “upset” at the victim, who seemed unaffected in any event. But alarmed that Ray did it, I’d admit.

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know what I wrote, but I was disappointed. Ray lost his cool which you don’t usually see, definitely not to that degree.

The fact that it was Varejao might’ve brought out my less than objective biases at the time, though…

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 3:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I remember the event I can't remember my exact reaction

I’m pretty sure I would have been surprised if nothing else!

Its the kind of thing where you can empathize with Ray’s anger and understand his (human) reaction. But that doesn’t mean you should condone it. Because while righteous anger leading to a natural human reaction is a valid reason for his action, it does not excuse the action.

I cannot say for certain if my thoughts now are consistent with what I might have posted back then. This simply what I feel right now.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 3:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I'm just about out of steam here

Henceforth, this incident shall be known as Penisgate.

Good night, and I wish you no harm, but also no luck on Sunday.

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The obvious solution

… is to change the rules and MAKE it a violent game (again)! Works for me! We’ve got Shaq :)

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Lamar Odom

Why wasn’t Lamar Odom ejected then?

by christheceltic on Jan 29, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He probably should have been

I’m not arguing about the officiating

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Gil -- it's hopeless arguing this. But if someone did it to a Celtics player...

People here would be looking for the guy to get the electric chair — LOL

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

It would really testes the fans’ patience and tolerance for this type of behavior.

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta say, you were right

But I had to try!

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

if it happened to a Celtic

it wouldn’t have been called

that’s the real problem here

by David Henderson on Jan 29, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Because the refs never call anything for the Celtics ...

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

true only the nut puncher and their victim know for sure!

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this calls for an episode of "Mythbusters NBA"

Where they re-enact this and see if Frye’s reaction was reasonable

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That is what Johnny Most would have called

a Stanislavski. Really? He crumpled from that mere tap by KG? Pathetic.

by McHaleinthepost on Jan 29, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

where's the part

where he jumps right up?

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Jumps right up like he didn't have a groin

I swear he must be getting acting lessons from Nick Cannon

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:44 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO

+3

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by Eucharist on Jan 29, 2011 4:20 AM EST up reply actions  

That doesn't look like much

But none of us are Fyre.

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by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

we also have the behind look

it may look completely different from another angle and out of slow mo.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He got hit on his French Frye

I made a funny… see what i did there

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It looks like a intended below the belt baby tap ...

by KG who maybe was frustrated and just wanted to mess with Frye a bit.

Fyre’s reaction was all show though for sure.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

no question

any chance these guys wear cups though?

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Yikes.

Almost all baseball players do. Adrian Beltre famously being one of the few who don’t – paid for it by taking a shot down there.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

it does hurt to get nut punched. it feels like you’re falling in a never ending cave while elevator music is playing and there’s nothing you can do about it but think about how you hate getting nut punched.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Believe me. I know all too well.

I competed in martial arts tournaments all through college and grad school. Unfortunately in that sport you can’t help but take more than a few shots below the belt. Even a glancing tap will usually put you on your knees for a minute.

I admit that may make me a little more jaded about this.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if they wear cups

wouldn’t that be the reason Frye jumped up so fast.
Still, it was a low blow by KG, hurt or not, and that’s if it really was intentional. Who knows?

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

id say yes

ever taken a knee, kick or elbow there playing pickup ball? hurts even more than usual most of the time

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

around 5 AM

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

you know

wrestling with the kids, slip and fall, etc….playing sports though you’re running, jumping, people kick their feet out when tehy shoot or jump, etc…you take a much harder blow to the kusabies that way is all im saying. a cup is a very good idea.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

if you're getting kicked in the groin during pick up games

it may be time to find a new park

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This made me laugh

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree vinnie...

thats why I said it looked like KG gave a intended below the belt blow to Frye and why I supported some of your other comments on the matter as well.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No way am I gonna read this endless thread

Clearly, the tap is to the area just ABOVE the genitals. Which explains Frye’s ability to get up 1 second later. It also absolves KG of everything except a regular foul. Frye’s response was completely inappropriate per the rules, and tech-worthy. Not KG.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I am in no way excusing KG for what he did. That was a dirty play in every way, but when I saw Frye fall down and then get back up that quick like nothing happend, I knew he flopped. I again don’t condone what KG did, but that was a flop plain and simple. I could tell he faked it when he got up in a second. I know people who have been hit in that area and they said it takes longer minutes to get yourself together because of that. I think if he would’ve stayed down longer I wouldn’t even say it was a flop, but that play by KG was dirty no questions period and as a verteran should learn to know and act better than that.

by JoT on Jan 29, 2011 2:40 AM EST up reply actions  

It was a foul

Not “dirty all the way.” Nobody got hurt. Just a foul.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Nate is playing poorly

but they win as a team, and loose as a team. Sometimes I want to throw something when he chucks shots, and also when Baby is doing the same, but they’re not the reason the Celtics win or loose. When the big 4 plays well, no team can stop them.

Ugly loss, KG and Doc ejected, but it’s just the 11th in the loss column. They just have to beat LA on Sunday.

Beat LA!

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by aporel#18 on Jan 29, 2011 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

On the bright side of things

The Lakers lost tonight to the Kings…………at home.

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by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

I love how we just get a bunch

of techs while only channing frye is the only sun who gets one. At least the lakers lost.

The only discouraging thing about this game to me was that Boston was without KG and Perk. Having those two guys back would make them so much stronger, that I am not sure we can win against them.

by letsgoblue86 on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

Big Baby needs to finish strong.

Enough of the pump layups or whatever he does under the basket. Its so low percentage.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

he has to use them as he has no vertical lift

i bet if there were a way to look, he’d be close to leading the league for getting his shot blocked

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

there is a way, though I don't know the site. probably 82games.com or basketballreference.com

Baby did lead the league in that last year, but he has greatly improved this year.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

I guess if he times it just right he can draw the foul… I think at this point if he posted up my little sister, she would probably block his shot.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

she would slap it into the second row

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Id like to see Baby finish strong also...

and forget about those ugly pump shots.

The problem is he simply lacks the length and jumping ability to finish strong and the pump shots are the only way he can currently elude his defender to get shots off when under the basket without getting blocked.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I normally hate playing good teams coming off a loss

so I didn’t want the Lakers to lose tonight. But the way the Cs lost, maybe it’ll motivate us more for the win.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:36 AM EST reply actions  

I hate the Lakers

and I live near LA – I love wearing green when I go out. Since no one can touch me in the first place… I guess its because I’m 6’4" 300lbs

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I live in Sacramento

So there’s quite a few LA fans up here, I just wear my old McHale jersey.

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by KD1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice!

Now that’s a clothesline worth of old school WWF.

by Eki on Jan 29, 2011 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I always enjoy seeing the Lakers lose, and to Sacramento- GREAT!!!!

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by lygafe on Jan 29, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Bench should have played more

Due to the Celtics playing back to back nights and on the road to me Doc made a bad decision by having Lawrence Frank play the starters for almost the entire 3rd quarter. this was a game where the bench should have come out to start the 2nd half, and if they made a run then consider putting the starters back in.

However the starters played big minutes in the 3rd quarter and never got the lead under 10. Only once in the 2nd half did they cut it to 9 so it seems the C’s would have been smarter to rest the starters in the second half instead of having them expend so much energy and not even really get back in the game

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

Doc had nothing to do with the decision

As far as I understand, once Doc got ejected, he’s not allowed to have any interaction with the team for rest of the game. So it was all Frank’s decision to play the starters more, which I happen to agree with. It wasn’t an insurmountable lead, so you want your best unit in.

by KY Celts fan on Jan 29, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Gurantee Doc got word to Frank on what to do that happens all the time. Just like when baseball managers get ejected they still get the word to what they want done.
I just wonder if the team would have been better served by resting the starters more in the second half but oh well

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah, he dropped his pants and sat on a bucket for a mintue to show them what they were playing like

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

yeh NBA rules

stipulate that the ejected coach can communicate with team in lockerroom, but they must act it out like in charades

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Using hindsight now

I would have given ALL the starters the night OFF. No point in tilting at the NBA’s insane windmills. A reasonable (Pop-like) response is to play the bench, and say goodbye when you walk out the door, thank-you-very-much.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

dont think its ok for anyone to do it to any player on any team

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

not me

love garnett as a player but his attitude and stuff like this is what i cant stand about him.

it was the same way with dennis rodman, loved his play and huslte, dedication and willingness to sacrifices his body but he was an A#$%^%& and did alot of things that made me want to not like him.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

who's defending it?

At most we are just pointing out what’s what about it.

It was a foul, no doubt. But its pretty clear on replay that he barely touched Frye and Frye put on a big acting job.

That’s not defending anything. It just is what it is.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

not the 1st time he's done it either

he is a dirty player at times

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

actually on that play

the most dangerous thing he might have done is go underneath frye

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

and that is what Alvin Gentry was rightfully upset about

You could see him hold out two fingers when he gestured to the refs, because KG did it earlier in the game and Frye rolled his ankle a little. That’s a good way to get hurt, you can’t do that; it’s like undercutting someone on a “box out” after the guy jumps. I don’t think it was intentional but it’s reckless and shouldn’t be done.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Bush league.

This is the kind of crap….Along with all of the chest pounding, taunting, etc that would have gotten Garnett flattened when the players were allowed to police themselves.

Garnett is one of the biggest receipients of the pussified NBA.

by Finkelskyhook on Jan 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

So it is not in any way possible it was by accident? None at all?

by NoraG1 on Jan 29, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Well mmmmm mentioned the "possibility" above

But i think if you mention the mere possibility (not even a likelihood) you will get burned at the stake and have “homer” etched into your corpse. Yikes.

The tap on the stomach trick when you get beat on the shot is a widely employed trick that players not nearly as villified as KG use. A lot of times the refs pay it no heed. I think it’s possible KG who really wasn’t looking at where his arm was going, maybe trying to be too cute about it, reached out and missed…or maybe he didn’t miss at all. I wish I had the clarity everyone else seems to.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

See it goes both ways too

Would people around the nation care as much if someone with not as notorious a reputation did it?

by Tai on Jan 29, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly - the entire board would be up in arms calling the player who dared to hit a Celtic dirty, a cheap shot artist. Calling for retribution, the player to be thrown out of the league anything. Fair is fair we have to be objective just like when so many blame the refs

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

remember the ECF?

there was a lot of dirty play. And you couldn’t see police putting Dwight “Elbow” Coward in handcuffs.

I like basketball, not MMA. What Garnett did is not nice, but he got ejected. A lot more punishment than Dwight last ECF

Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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by aporel#18 on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i mean, it was a foul

i am not sure it was intentional, and frye almost certainly overreacted, and i don’t see why KG got a 2nd tech for that. i wouldn’t call it a cheap shot, because in slow-mo, it does look like he might have done it on purpose, but reality doesn’t run in slow-mo, and i could easily see his fist going there as he stopped running towards frye. anyway…again, it was definitely a foul.

by guy incognito on Jan 29, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Unfortunately KG has a reputation and so anything that he does some people think automatically he did it on purpose.

by NoraG1 on Jan 29, 2011 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, KG did not hit Frye in the nuts

The tap hit Frye in the lower abdomen, just above the groin area. I know this two ways: (1) The tape shows where the blow lands, and it’s ABOVE the genitals, and (2) had Frye been hit in the genitals, there would be no way for him to jump up and show ZERO signs of pain 1 second later.

Frye was shocked at the closeness of the hit, and that’s why he reacted. KG meant to push him a little, as is so often done, but in the split-second, ended up making contact lower than he intended. It’s a foul, for sure, but that’s ALL it is.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 4:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Here`s what many are overlooking...

Frye`s shot was an AIR-BALL…he was tapped by KG just AFTER the shot.

Frye not only “recovered” from being “hit” in record time…he was able to “sell” it to the ref!

by Title 18 on Jan 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Haven't we seen the same tape?

How can you tell where Frye’s balls are? Do you have xray vision?

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Tuned out early knowing what was going to happen - 1st half pathetic and then it really got bad.

They may have closed the gap in the 3rd quarter, but it was looking like loserville from the get go.
The extra travel and a back to back is just too much for a group that is getting on in years- basketball years.

 I missed the incident with Garnett and until I see a replay, I refuse to comment, although I read that Garnett had his back to Frye when it happened, and only after a ref review did they hand out the technicals.

“ESPN- The incident occurred late in the fourth quarter, when Garnett went out to challenge a 3-point shot and hit Frye in the groin area as he reached back. Garnett wasn’t looking as he reached back, but Frye grimaced as he went down and jumped up, going face to face with Garnett.

Players from both teams had to be separated and Garnett was hit with two technical fouls. Frye also got a technical, as did Boston guard Nate Robinson.

The technicals were called after a long video review by the officials."

From that report, it sounds more like an accident than something deliberate.

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by lygafe on Jan 29, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

It does not matter what actually happened KG has already been found guilty.

by NoraG1 on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I just mean some fans already have made up their minds about KG.

by NoraG1 on Jan 29, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

the real issue is the offense

Well hopefully things will get back to the real issues - which is primarily the offense. The Celtics are the most efficient offensive team in the NBA and have failed to break 90 points in 3 of the last 4 games. To have a half like against the Wizards then barely breaking 70 tonight against a bad defensive team shows the offensive woes may start to become a real concern instead of just a fluke

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

Begins and ends with Rondo

He’s not 100%, period. We become entirely predictable when he’s not breaking down the defense and gives up his dribble at the top of the key. His plantar fascitis has to be bothering him—and playing lots of minutes because we don’t have a player who can run the O when he’s on the bench is a real concern. Get health DWest!

by McHaleinthepost on Jan 29, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Rondo doesn’t look hurt out there though like earlier in the season. He seems to be moving pretty well on the court. Seems like he is hesitant for some reason and is just making some terrible passes the last couple games. I can’t imagine too many times in his entire NBA career has he wound up with more turnovers than assists in back to back games it’s mind boggling

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

He also leads the league in turnovers

He has played poorly the last few weeks. He has become less of an offensive threat lately. I really think his feet are bothering him.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

steve nash is normally among the league leaders in turnovers for PG also

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

thats becuase he has the ball 80% of the game

thats what happens. 38 minutes, 13 assists and 4 turnover a game isnt as bad as it seems. again though, alot of those turnover are from him passing up shots/layups he can make for open 3’s, etc…..

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Most definitely

Or he’s not completely healed from his ankle injury. Or both.

by ben_from_boston on Jan 29, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

most of those terrible passes

are because he is passing up shots and throwing the ball out. he couldve made some of those shots, layups if he just shot the ball.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Walton commented on this several times

While Walton became annoying tonight and talked way too much, he clearly was disappointed in the way Rondo played these two games.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

rondo should be taking those shots

it would make him more effect and it’s alot higher % shot. i mena he’s within 6 feet most of the time

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

not having a real go to scorer or a solid backup PG really hurts us

we have good scorers but they need someone to help set them up. pierce is the closest thing we have to a go to guy but he isnt what he used to be. if we look to add another piece in the offseason we should look for someone who is quick and can create on there own

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 29, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Teams are finally realizing just to play off Rondo and almost ignore him on the offensive end. Van Gundy talked about it several times tonight. He isn’t getting into the lane as often for driving layups and is so hesistant to shoot it’s hurting the offense. Doc is going to have to make adjustments if this continues because as we know scoring in the 80’s isn’t going to be enough to win another NBA title

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Relax, WarnerJohn, there is no 'real issue' here.

The Celtics go ZERO sleep, effectively, coming in at what was for them 7am — when they normally wake up. These kinds of East-to-West back-to-backs are IMPOSSIBLE and IDIOTIC. Celtics started out with one hand tied behind their backs. Then the refs showed THEIR true colors within the first 5 minutes of the game, and tied one of their legs too. Hopeless.

I gave up 5 minutes in. The Cs lost to the system tonight. The NBA beat them, yeah. So what? It’s meaningless. It was designed to end this way, long ago.

Forget it. Next.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree for the most part about this game

but what about the Portland game and what about the Wizards game and what about the Detroit game where they really struggled and barely won? The only two games they have looked good in in the last 3 or so weeks is the Jazz at home and the Cavs at home. This, and the fact that injuries keep piling up every day, is what has me worried. I honestly do not think this team will ever be fully healthy this year.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, JO is prob never gonna be near 100%

…so you’re probably right, by that alone.

I’m ok with their overall performance. Obviously, they’re doing fine in the standings. And teams gotta lose sometime. I think this team is nowhere near last year’s pathology. Except maybe for a little, tiny bit of it….. maybe…. in Rondo’s case. The preservation of Rondo (and KG) is, after all, their #1 priority, so I wouldn’t be surprised if Rondo, at least, decided to play at a lower level now – in the dog days of mid-season, and at least in certain games – in an effort to stop hitting the floor as much as he used to, and to reduce injury risks, etc.

But we’re good. Barring major new health issues, I think they’re going all the way. Nobody’s going to stop them this time.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The offense was even worse in the 2nd half against the Wizards wasn’t it? That was a short trip home/away back to back. The Portland game was the opening game of the road trip. There are always mitigating circumstances that can cause teams to struggle. But this hasn’t proven to be a one game thing. The offense has been struggling for the last few games actually except against the pitiful Cavaliers.

by warnerjohn on Jan 29, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes it has.

Its just a couple of games, but it does seem that they have been inconsistent at running the half-court and I hate to pick on one guy, but Rondo seems a bit off. He’s taken some hard shots these last few games and seems a bit banged up.

Now – to be fair, last night it was very clear that tired legs hurt the whole team on both ends of the court. The guys were clearly gassed. Ray & Paul had no legs in their shots. And nobody could stay in front of the break on defense when we’d miss shots and the Suns would get out on transition.

We gloss over it because nobody likes excuses – but it is simply a fact that if you travel on a long middle-of the night flight, crawl into your hotel at would be mid-morning east coast time and finally get to bed, then get up to play an NBA game … nobody who is human is going to be at their best.

Hopefully they got some decent rest today & will be fresh & ready to go tomorrow.

by mmmmm on Jan 29, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

and an "s"

and that’s a +1

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by itsmetsforme on Jan 29, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think tonight we also saw ....

how important it will be to have as much big man depth as possible especially heading into the playoffs not just for health insurance reasons in case any of our bigs break down but due to foul trouble insurance also.

Tonight in just the 1st period the C’s lost both Perk and Shaq to foul trouble and had to go with Erden and Baby.

If this was the playoffs that would not be the greatest scenario for the C’s to be in.

Thats why it important (especially since Shaq is so foul prone) for J.O. to get healthy and also maybe for the C’s to acquire another big later on in the season if possible.

by fordescort on Jan 29, 2011 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

I don't understand why CELTICS NATION is not backing up KG right now

He obviously didn’t foul him or hit (Lil girl hit) in the groin area on purpose !
He should’ve never been kicked out of the game and he got two technicals in one play for getting a head bump by frye and backing up from him !?! C’mon refs .
But seriously C’mon fellow Celtics fan !

by KGfanfromMONTREAL on Jan 29, 2011 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t think it’s obvious either way if it was intentional, but KG has a reputation now so he has to live with it.

I don’t really understand the second tech on KG either though. The other techs I can see.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I think most Celtics fans back KG

John T. Unger is the supporter for Channing Frye

pun intended

by bbeingphilled on Jan 29, 2011 3:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Now I feel sheepish.

You are right that KG should not have gotten thrown out of the game and 2 techs for the same thing. And we really don’t know if the hit or tap was on purpose.
What are we doing?
Are we just angry that everyone played so horribly?

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are really making excuses?

The truth is that the Celtics dont get up for meaningless games against terrible teams.

You will see a rejuvinated and motivated C’s team on Sunday and you will forget about this pointless loss to a team we wont even see in the playoffs.

by Flawless on Jan 29, 2011 3:03 AM EST reply actions  

Lakers 96 Celtics 103 on Sunday

by KGfanfromMONTREAL on Jan 29, 2011 3:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I thank you for not predicting a double-digit blowout

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jan 29, 2011 3:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Kudos

You were pretty close on that final score, and you got the Laker’s point exactly!

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by Gil Meriken on Jan 30, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything that could go wrong, went wrong

Ray missing FTs, Pierce missing layups when driving to the basket, Rondo turning the ball over and giving horrible passes, Shaq with 2 fouls in the first 2 minutes, Doc and KG ejected, Nate not being able to hit ANYTHING (well, he’s been like that for the past month), and for god´s sake…GORTAT HITTING A THREE!!!

by Franco Tolone Aquaviva on Jan 29, 2011 3:33 AM EST reply actions  

Meaningless game, from which almost nothing can be learned

We just need to look ahead to the next one, and FORGET this ridiculous night.

As mentioned earlier, the Cs got in at 4am. If they slept at all, it would have been at around 5am at best. That’s 7am-8am for them, approx the time their bodies normally expect TO WAKE UP. A few hours later, they’re expected to play an NBA game. Really?!?

Nonsense. This scheduling was ridiculous from the start. The refs made it worse with their TERRIBLE officiating — terrible right from the start of Quarter 1, from which it continued to get worse and worse

A game like this is a silly waste of time. If I had been the coach after KG went out, I would have given serious consideration to refusing to play and just forfeiting the game (if that’s possible). If not possible, I’d have done what Frank did… quit trying, put in the bench and walk to the end.

The Lakers game will be interesting, since both teams will be coming off a loss. However, the Cs have (extremely) good reason, while the Lakers… not so much. Should be fun. This Suns game deserves to disappear from our memories.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 4:54 AM EST reply actions  

So true, drj

We should have just forfeited that stupid darn game

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's be clear about the KG-Frye brouhaha

KG’s tap hit Frye in the lower abdomen, just above the groin area. I know this two ways: (1) Replays show where the blow lands, and it’s just ABOVE the genitals, and (2) had Frye been hit in the genitals, there would have been no way for him to jump up and show ZERO signs of pain 1 second later.

Frye was shocked at the closeness of the hit, and that’s why he reacted the way he did. KG meant to push him a little, as is so often done in play, but in that split-second motion, KG ended up making contact lower than he intended. It was a foul, for sure, but that’s ALL it was. Going from that to multiple Ts on the Cs and a KG ejection was just more ridiculous referee malfeasance.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 4:58 AM EST reply actions  

just curious..

but has it occcured to anyone that the reason the foul was called, and the reason Frye was so upset, and crumpled to the ground, was that for the 2nd time in the game, KG undercut him, causing him to nearly roll his ankle?

by Fritzy on Jan 29, 2011 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Correct

But the reason Frye reacted as he did was the perceived low blow… which he (correctly) believes is beyond the pale. But he was wrong — not only because it was accidental, but also because he didn’t actually get hit in the genitals, so he had NO business bumping into KG like that.

It was Frye’s reaction which was against the rules, warranting a tech. KG fouled Frye, no question. But that’s all he did. Frye started the tech-a-thon, and the refs proceeded to punish the wrong side.

Whatever…. meaningless, stupid game. It was that before it started.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

hard to say what he was reacting to

in interviews afterwards, Frye does mention the 2 undercuts as being what set him off, but I could see in the heat of the moment Frye reacting to the nut shot ( or near nut shot )

if I was calling it, it would have been a foul on the shot for KG, ( and I don’t know if there’s a precedent for enchancements for stepping under a player, but there should be..that’s low class…if ppl started stepping under ray you know doc would be losing his mind )

Then the tech on frye for the reaction…possibly a double tech on the both of them for the staring contest, but not if KG get tossed…I don’t think that was warranted..

and then for the scrum, sorry, but perk was not there as a peace maker and nate…oh nate…

by Fritzy on Jan 29, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

About that scrum

I saw quite a few Suns milling around. Shouldn’t they have been tech’d up too?

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure what the rule is for sure

but I believe there is some leeway for the 5 guys on the floor(bench guys of course must stay put ), and guys who act in a peacekeeper capacity…I guess that’s what the replay review is for

by Fritzy on Jan 29, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

To my eyes, there's no question

…that KG did NOT undercut anybody on purpose. In both cases, his foot just ended up in the wrong place. It happens. But quite a few in here have suggested (or implied) that this was a terrible thing, a “low-class”, “bush-league” thing, for KG to do. I don’t get that at all.

When you review each play at full speed, you can see how quickly and naturally it all happens. KG is not in the business of undercutting people. Suggesting that he is strikes me as a pretty suspicious thing to say. Unwarranted. Inappropriate. Inaccurate. Unreasonable. Inexcusable. Ok… ‘low-class+bush league’ (yeah!). Treasonous. A damned lie.

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

From the replay...Here is what we know for sure

1} Frye fired up an AIR-BALL
2} KG made contact AFTER Frye released the shot
3} Frye recovered extremely QUICKLY from his fake “injury”

Conclusuion : Give Frye credit for quick thinking…he fooled the ref!

by Title 18 on Jan 29, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

To me it appeared Gentry was the one upset about the ankle. Frye’s gestures seemed to suggest he was more concerned with the tap.

by Berkcelt on Jan 29, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A BIGGER QUESTION FOR CELTIC NATION...

Imho if you are a true fan we all should be writing to the NBA office about this…..Why aren’t the Celtic players afforded the same protection all the other players are on a game by game basis. These plays are common as Doc said….if you don’t police the game, the players will and this is what you get.If you keep fouling me and I get no call and I can’t breath on you,believe me,I’m gonna take it into my own hands on the court. That’s what happened last night. 2 nights in a row teams have used the the “soft” story to get away with mugging the C’s.with no calls against them and it’s gotta stop. They do it because
they think well we’re only gonna see them twice a year and can get away with it. The C’s are
policing the floor and I for one back them 100%.

by kefa461 on Jan 29, 2011 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Apparently the league office has extended 3-FER status to the whole team now. Makes sense. I’m tellin ya, they’re gonna change their name to the Boston Pinatas.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2011/1/20/1945630/nba-announces-3-fer-status-for-paul-pierce

by DRJ1 on Jan 29, 2011 7:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha that was so funny

Yes, PP definately gets 3-fer status whether he wants it or not.

by mmbaby on Jan 29, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Javie

Steve Javie is a douche bag!!! Hey Steve it’s about the game…not you!!!!

by KubuliCeltic on Jan 29, 2011 7:13 AM EST reply actions  

rondo's worst game of the year

he tried to do way too much and his defense on the pick and roll- just awful. how can we not be prepared to defend steve nash and the pick and roll. both nate and rondo were horrible at it as were our bigs. semih was beyond pathetic

by Red2 on Jan 29, 2011 7:44 AM EST reply actions  

He was almost as bad in the Portland game

Celts were lucky to win that one, with their 21-turnover effort. Of course, in the Portland game, the Celtics I believe had taken 14 free throws before Portland had taken one, and I don’t think I saw one complaint about the officiating here. Funny.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Leave

Vinnie, I think you’ve spent of enough time here trolling, shouldn’t you be over at the SS&R blog talking about how you guys lost to SAC at home?

by christheceltic on Jan 29, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you are talking about

I am a season ticketholder and a lifelong Celtics fan.

by vinnie on Jan 29, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant to Gil Meriken

Sorry, couldn’t tell who it was.

by christheceltic on Jan 29, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The refs hit Frye; not KG

by Dantenina on Jan 29, 2011 8:18 AM EST reply actions  

Ugly

This game was over in the first half, I’m surprised the started weren’t pulled for the second half. Liked the C’s grit down the stretch though as well as are willingness to step up and fight( literally) for teamates and bad calls. Thank you Doc and Garnett!

by ardvark on Jan 29, 2011 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Tired

They were tired. Open shots were flat, even layups. Nash tortured Rondo on offense which is rare. Hope they get some rest tonight.

by LuckyNumber07 on Jan 29, 2011 9:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Meanwhile in Miami

The Heat play a completely discombobulated game with absolutely no team play and win when House (who never ever got a call when he was Celtic) get’s a faux foul call with 22 seconds which gives the Heat a 1 point lead. Then the Heat foul on the final dunk alley-oop play and there is no call.

Then the ref tech debacle in Phoenix.

The NBA officials are either consistently incompetent or purposely influencing games. Either way they have seriously degraded the integrity and quality of the game. Stern won’t even address that there is an issue. Mmmmmm…

by David Henderson on Jan 29, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

Techs are up more than 30% over last season- that alone, has an influence on games.

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http://www.eurohockey.net/news/story.html?id=20090408104226_herzliya_emerges_as_israeli_national_league_champions

by lygafe on Jan 29, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Please

Don’t say this is just another game, a meaningless game. We need HCA especially in the east, we need to win as many games as possible. I think Rondo should drive more to the basket and try to score more, assist are good but seems like he worries more to get an assist than score points when possible. Common C’s this is the year to get title 18, next year who knows?

by greenSanDiego on Jan 29, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

trade everybody

knee

jerk,

by johnnymost on Jan 29, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

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