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Celtics Improve Weaknesses, Rise to Lakers' Challenge

Celtics-Lakers awaited, but for the time being I patiently watched Eddie House finish off the Oklahoma City Thunder.

House drained a three-pointer after an unselfish pass from Lebron James, and celebrated his make in typical Sam Cassell, "I'm clutch, and I want to let you know it by partaking in a graphic dance which will only serve to highlight my clutchness" fashion. After House's shot, I briefly wondered whether Boston would have been better off keeping House rather than trading him for Nate Robinson. I ultimately decided, "Yeah, probably." But Robinson would have his say later in the day.

It was around the time of House's three-pointer that Celtics-Laker started, but ABC decided not to show us the game's beginning. It made too much sense to hold tip-off for a few minutes until the game in Oklahoma City finished, so by the time we were taken to Los Angeles, the Celtics led 4-2. A Pau Gasol jump hook over Shaq's outstretched arms made the game 4-4, and the most important game the Celtics have played this season was officially underway.

What follows is a collection of my thoughts from the game.

Star-divide

Paul Pierce, The Truth

Quick: Who's the Celtics' MVP? Is it Garnett, who's back to playing Defensive Player of the Year-worthy defense, while killing it on the boards and providing his normal efficient and selfless offense? Rondo, who racks up assists like they're on sale, and normally controls the entire game with his pace and instincts? Or is it Pierce, Mr. Consistency (and also, in the past few years, Mr. Efficiency), who's the C's best at creating his own shot?

I'm not ready to tackle that conversation. Arguments can be made for all of them, but Pierce's level of play this year makes me breathe easy. The Pierce we saw yesterday got whatever he wanted against Ron Artest. He was the Pierce we love, the Pierce who patiently meanders anywhere he wants to on the court. The Pierce who uses his strength, footwork and cunning to get to his wheelhouse, regardless of how he's being defended.

On one play in the first quarter, Pierce showed the difference between last June and now. Artest pressured up on Pierce, trying to body him in classic Artest-ian style.  What did Pierce do? He calmly used Artest's pressure defense to his advantage. He angled his body past Artest, used his strength and got into the lane with ease. The LA defense collapsed, and Pierce kicked out to Rajon Rondo for a wide open jumper. Never mind that a Rajon Rondo wide open jumper isn't always a good thing (and, in fact, Rondo missed the shot). Pierce dictated his own terms yesterday, in a way that he didn't in June. He created separation from Artest whenever he so desired.

Which only began to describe...

The Big Three's improvements. Raise your hand if you honestly, truly, rationally thought Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen would all improve at the respective ages of 33, 34 and 35 years old? At those ages, NBA players are supposed to go downhill. Especially when they've all played at least 34,000 minutes (and Garnett almost 43,000). Especially when they all showed signs of falling off last season. 

But here we are, in 2011, and Kevin Garnett looks like he's ten years younger than he was last year. Pierce can once again get wherever he wants on a basketball court, and Ray Allen's having the best shooting season of his career. I would argue that Pierce and Allen are both having their best seasons of the Big Three Era, and Garnett's not far behind his '08 pace. But why? Why so youthful, all of a sudden?

No, I don't think they're sipping O.J. Mayo juice. If I had to guess -- and, granted, it's just a guess -- I'd say the Game 7 motivation runs deeper than we think. I'd say the Big Three worked out harder this offseason than they have in years, and I'd say the hard work's paying off. Look at what happened in the three offseason months between June and September (when the C's reconvened for training camp):

  • Garnett's limp went away, and he stopped dragging his leg. He started soaring for alley oops again, and, far more importantly, his defensive quickness returned. In three months, he went from looking like a washed-up caricature of himself to looking like his former self. Three months, that's all it took.
  • Pierce lost between ten and fifteen pounds, and returned to camp in his best shape in years. He looked svelte, and the bounce in his step -- absent through the playoffs last season -- had returned. Granted, Pierce's recovery from a nagging knee injury (according to Jackie McMullan, "Sometimes, Pierce said, the knee would 'pop open,' squirting foul liquid across the locker room") helped matters. But you don't lose all that weight, and look so much better physically, if you don't hit the gym hard.
  • Ray Allen returned to camp and forgot how to miss jumpers. I exaggerate, but Allen's prolonged hot-shooting stretch has been magnificent. His 45.4% three-point shooting would top his career best (43.4%), and it would be the best three-point shooting of his Celtics career by a few nautical miles (his previous best - 40.9%). His current field goal percentage (50.5%) would also top his career-best (48.0%). Of course, Allen's offseason work ethic has always been the stuff of lore. But 35-year old shooting guards still aren't supposed to improve.

If one of the Big Three magically got younger while growing a year older, it might be coincidence, or it might be attributed solely to getting healthy. But all of them have improved, and remarkably so. The difference between Garnett in June and Garnett now is night and day. Same goes for Pierce. Same goes for Allen. NBA players simply aren't supposed to age this well, and I imagine it was the pain of Game 7 which made the Big Three so intent on drowning Father Time.

Shaq, role player

Zero points, six rebounds. If you look solely at the box score, Shaq's presence affected the game only slightly more than Jeff Van Gundy's presence did. Mark Heisler from the LA Times even wrote, "Shaq played as badly as he ever has." But look a little closer. Shaq actually played well, it's just weird to see him contribute in "role player" ways. On one play, Ron Artest drove baseline, except Shaq was there to send his shot away. Earlier in the game, Shaq picked up an offensive rebound, keeping a possession alive, then drew a foul on Artest. A few seconds later, Kevin Garnett hit Ray Allen for an open layup. 

Shaq's not Superman anymore. He's not Shaq Attaq, the player who once threatened the safety of rims in every NBA arena he walked into. He's just a 38-year old behemoth who knows how to play basketball, and can affect games even when he doesn't score a single point. The Green Mile wasn't phenomenal, don't get me wrong. He didn't single-handedly change the complexion of the Celtics-Lakers rivalry. But he played thirteen good minutes. Thirteen helpful minutes. And that's all the Celtics needed.

Nate Robinson, impressor

Raise your hand if you've ever wanted to shake Robinson by his shoulders this season? Just shake some sense into him, I mean. (*Every hand in the CelticsBlog community jets into the air.*) So have I. He has certainly been frustrating at times, especially when launching certain shots that -- how do I say this nicely? -- even Pistol Pete Maravich probably would have turned down. 

But Robinson yesterday was everything the Celtics hoped he would be, back when they traded him for Eddie House. He let the offense come to him, rather than forcing the issue. He made open shots, limited the bad ones (only one Robinson shot left me shaking my head, which is actually an improvement), and generally played solid basketball. 

Entering yesterday's game, Rivers actually contemplated giving Robinson a DNP-CD. And nobody could have blamed Rivers for that. But Robinson's minutes showed why Doc is hesitant to yank his miniature backup guard entirely out of the lineup -- on any given night, Robinson can completely change a game.

Speaking of game-changers off the bench...

Jeff already handled Glen Davis' contributions, so I'll just point out one Davis sequence that effectively put yesterday's contest out of reach. On one end, Davis powered his way around, and ultimately past, Andrew Bynum for an and-one. His three-point play put the Celtics ahead 96-87 with 4:28 remaining; the play would have been perfect if Davis had only finished it with a gallon of drool, rather than an understated fist pump. 

The Lakers came back, and -- you guessed it -- Kobe Bryant decided to take a shot. He drove past Ray Allen like Allen wasn't even there, and had an easy look. That is, he would have had an easy look, if Davis hadn't come from the other side of the lane to meet him outside the paint. The perfect rotation led to a Kobe miss, a Celtics rebound, and a Rondo-to-Garnett alley oop that put the Celtics ahead 98-87. Game, set, match, with a big thanks to Glen Davis.

Kobe goes solo

A lot of folks will blame Kobe for what transpired in yesterday's fourth quarter. They'll discuss his unwillingness to pass, and the ten isolation plays Kobe used in the fourth quarter alone (on only 24 Lakers possessions). Gunner!, people will scream. Selfish! Ball hog! Pass to Pau every once in a while, you bum!

But blaming Kobe's taking the easy way out. He actually shot a decent percentage (5-11 in the fourth, 16-29 for the game), even when he was in "one-on-one" mode (aka Kobe mode). In short, he shot well enough to help LA win the game. Where the Lakers really lost the game was on the defensive end of the court.

Boston shot 69.4% during the second half. Rajon Rondo alone contributed 15 assists post-halftime. The Celtics racked up 32 fourth-quarter points, making 14 out of 20 shots in the period. During the stretch when you could say Kobe's gunning got a little out of hand, here's what the Celtics did:

  • Kevin Garnett makes 18-foot shot (Pierce assists)
  • Glen Davis makes layup (and-one)
  • Kevin Garnett makes layup (Rondo assists)
  • Pierce turnover
  • Ray Allen makes 24-foot three-pointer (Rondo assists)
  • Ray Allen makes 18-foot shot (Rondo assists)

Kobe's offense, as selfish as it may have been, actually was enough to win the Lakers the game. You know, if they could have gotten any stops whatsoever.

Referee bias

Did anyone else hear Jeff Van Gundy say one of yesterday's referees had been one of St. John's student managers... when Ron Artest played there? I didn't notice anything too fishy about yesterday's officiating crew (no, Joey Crawford's love of the spotlight doesn't count), but still: if a ref has that type of relationship with a player, he should not be allowed to officiate that player's games. There's too much opportunity for bias.

Rondo: Off, then on

In the first half, I actually wondered if Rajon Rondo was hurt and we just didn't know about it. His first-half offense consisted of the following: dribble the ball upcourt, make a pass to initiate offense, stand around the perimeter until a teammate takes a shot, and finally jog back on defense. Rondo wasn't making anything happen, not at all. He was just a spectator, except he was actually on the court.

Thankfully, Rondo turned things around. What began with doubts about Rondo's health ended with 15 second-half assists. Rondo began pushing the pace, and LA couldn't keep up. (Boston Herald)

"We shot up the tempo," Rondo said. "I got more opportunities on the break, and our bigs can out-run their bigs. I made a little adjustment as far as getting the ball, because Kobe and (Derek) Fisher were jamming the outlets, so I tried to come and meet the ball a little bit more. I wasn’t happy with what I did in the first half.

"It’s a little different, but we can outrun LA," he said. "Phoenix is a running team, so you can’t really do that, but with LA, given the personnel we have, we can outrun them."

With Rondo on his game, everything's easier for the Celtics. Note that 69.4% second-half shooting.

Rebounds, rebounds, rebounds

According to KG, Doc Rivers harped on one thing during the last few days: rebounding. (Boston Globe)

"When you look at the wins, whoever’s won out of this series, it’s been the one that’s controlled the boards,’’ Garnett added. "Doc, for about two days now, has been talking about rebounding, rebounding, rebounding. Having Shaq [O’Neal] back helps, having Perk back helps, having Paul and Ray in there on the boards helping the bigs out helps a lot.’’

The Celtics held a 43-30 advantage on the boards, a drastic difference between June, when the Lakers pushed Boston around like the C's were little boys. Garnett's improved gait changes everything, as does Perk's healthy return, as does Shaq's presence, as does the Celtics' entire mentality -- they know why they lost Game 7, and Rivers wouldn't let them forget. Rebounding, rebounding, rebounding.

Yesterday was everything Celtics fans could have asked for. We wanted the C's to rebound, and they did. We wanted them to execute and find easy shots, and they did. We wanted the Big Three and Rondo to control the game, and they did. We wanted people to question Gasol's toughness again, and they did. We wanted the Celtics to assert their dominance, and leave no doubt that they -- right now -- are the better team. They did.

It was only one game. But from the Celtics' standpoint, it was one game that went almost perfectly according to plan.

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did you get a haircut?

When Perk was asked what he thought of Howard winning the gold medal this summer, he responded: "What’s his impression of me after I won a ring?"

by Green17 on Jan 31, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

J.King: After House's shot, I briefly wondered whether Boston would have been better off keeping House rather than trading him for Nate Robinson. I ultimately decided, "Yeah, probably." But Robinson would have his say later in the day.

Had the Celtics not traded House or Robinson; the Celtics would of been in big trouble during the early beginning of the season because Rondo missed a lot of games and West is still out. Can u actually imagine house as starting guard in place of Rondo? Not me, Heat can keep him.

by KWW on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

Hmmm...

Well, I don’t disagree with you entirely, I do think Robinson is a far more dynamic and dangerous option off the bench. And his defense, despite his stature, has been very good for stretches (when he’s able to control his energy, and not overplay but still get ball pressure) which is something I’m fairly certain has never been said about House.

However, I wouldn’t make an argument to say it was because we “need him as a PG” because were Rondo to go out for any stretch again (knock on wood) Daniels running the point is still a much better option.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 31, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I guess the only thing holding up MD from playing point is backing up PP. RR is on his own until DW comes back

by vgarcia890 on Jan 31, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I would not use "Dynamic and Dangerous" to describe Nate Robinson so far in the 2010 -2011 Season

The only thing dangerous is his ill-advised three point jack-ups….and the danger is to us !!

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jan 31, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well... on paper anyway.

No doubt we haven’t seen much of that yet.

But that is exactly the point of this conversation, isn’t it?

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 31, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been bashing Nate this year too. But I have give the DW/NR backcourt a chance in 2011. They looked very very good in preseason and in the very few games together

by vgarcia890 on Jan 31, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ref bias...

I think even someone who didn’t root for the C’s could easily say Shaq gets called for some ticky tack fouls, while, as evidenced yesterday, opponents clobber him, hand check him, and constant go over his back for the rebound and little (or nothing) is called. It seems to have been a while since a Shaq free throw.

I think the refs are out for him, and for some reason, Marquis Daniels. (?)

Also, how many off. three seconds were called against LA? One on Boston… I think zero on the Lakers, and Bynum and Gasol are notorious campers, that’s why they get the offensive rebounding positions. (RE: the game that must not be mentioned)

by Ergoat on Jan 31, 2011 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'm starting to wondering?

I don’t understand why these refs are quick to call fouls on Shaq. I’ve been watching the C’s games and when Shaq is on the floor and playing defense rarely does he touch anyone. I don’t get it?

by KWW on Jan 31, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

Shaq no doubt has slowed down and is getting some fouls called on him because he is reaching to defend opponents instead of moving his feet etc.

But alot of those fouls are ticky tac fouls in my opinion and I think the refs are picking on him.

I think those fouls also neutralize Shaq’s effectiveness since he can not stay on the floor and get a groove going especially offensively.

by fordescort on Jan 31, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Robinson plays better because he was off the ball and not handling it.

by KWW on Jan 31, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Wait until West gets back, and we'll enjoy Robinson's play even more.

I’m really looking forward to D.West’s return to action; once he gets back into a groove, the 2nd unit will rival the starting five at times, and this will be one scary team.

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by lygafe on Jan 31, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Robinson is 100% more dangerous off the ball.

I fully agree with you, when Robinson has the ability to step on the court and know his only job is to score, and that’s it; he will excel.

Right now he’s struggling (like he did last year as well) to find that balance between facilitating and looking for his own offense. When West is back, he won’t have to do that anymore. He’ll know if he’s on the floor, he’s looking to score, let West run the sets and find the open guys. Get open, put the ball in the basket, simple; and something he just happens to be very, very good at.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 31, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree 100% Sizzlack

When Nate is preoccupied to bring the ball up the court when he plays the 1 position, it messes up his shooting effectiveness.

Same happened to Eddie House when he was with the C’s.
When he had to handle the ball and play the 1 postion his shooting was also erratic, but he was fine when he was playing just the 2 position.

Same goes for Nate, once Delonte comes back and he takes over the point guard duty it should free up Nate to concentrate fully on shooting the ball, which will help his shooting % and scoring output.

by fordescort on Jan 31, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure hope you yongsters prove me wrong about Nate being "more dangerous off the ball" as Sizzlack puts it

because he is not very dangerous to other teams with his hands “on the ball” ……jacking up threes way early in the shot clock….. or looking frantic for about 20 seconds then blowing it……

The only guy who “show-boated” yesterday on our team was Nate!!!…flapping those short little dodo bird arms of his around as if he had really done something special….oh wait… I guess he did do something special…he actually made a few shots….

I am far less excited about what Nate MIGHT DO "off the ball "as I am disappointed in what he has ALREADY DONE with the ball…which is not much.

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jan 31, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not a creator, he's a shooter.

We’ve already seem him better when he’s coming up screens and spotting up. Nate can be a player maker, but when he tries to be a facilitator, he can’t find that balance.

He goes from one extreme to the other on back to back plays, his shot looks nervous because he doesn’t know when to be shooting, and when to be facilitating the offense.

I fully agree with you that he hasn’t done much with the ball, as you put it. But that’s the point, he’s not a natural PG, the only time Nate should be touching the is when he’s looking to score it. Come off a screen and other spot up, or curl around and attack the rim. There is a role I fully believe he can excel in.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 31, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that already!! we all know he is not a PG

What I am saying is that I have very little confidence that he can play effectively “off the ball” ….and Like I said I hope you are right and I am wrong but I am guessing not. Proof is the Pudding

His problems are:

1.) He is too short to guard most PG or SG’s – especially if they have post up moves. He has to have help on D too often

2.) Even when he plays the #2 spot I still see him making bad decisions with the shot selection.

3.) He is a “streaky shooter” not a consistent shooter off the bench. Therefore the second you realize he is not “hot” you better get him out because he is a one trick pony in my book.

I could be wrong – I hope I am, and I hope he scores buckets and buckets for us…but if I were in Vegas with Joey Crawford I would bet against it…. and then I would bet whatever Joey is bettiing on.

Peace

Is it Soup Yet?

by Master Po on Jan 31, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

and then I would bet whatever Joey is bettiing on.

Haha! Nice.

"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach

by Sizzlack on Jan 31, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

we may end up seeing more wafer if it doesnt work

ive had the same worries myself about nates height at SG.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 31, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah heh

I’ll have some of what Joey’s having.

by mmbaby on Jan 31, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I am 100 percent with you on this one Po

Hope he improves, but don’t have much hope that he will. If he does, more power to him and the team.

by vinnie on Jan 31, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesyerday's Game

showed exactly how this team works. It’s Rondo’s team. When he’s locked in, we are really hard to beat.

by thereallargejames on Jan 31, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Just for reference...

Not sure what your cable set up is like, but I flipped it over to ESPN2 where they did show the beginning of the game until the MIA-OKC one finished up. That’s fairly typical practice by ABC/ESPN from what I remember.

by Berkcelt on Jan 31, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Nice post Jay...

I agree rebounding played a big role in the game as all the bigs KG, Perk and Shaq all did a great job on the boards.

Its was nice to see Doc and KG acknowledge and emphasize the importance of rebounding especially against a team like LA and then go out and do such a solid job on the boards out rebounding them 43-30.

I also agree that with a healthy Garnett, Perk, the addition of Shaq (and hopefully eventually J.O.) the Lakers will not be able to push this years Celtic team around as they did last year in game 7 of the finals and the C’s should be able to do a much better job on the boards against them as they did yesterday.

by fordescort on Jan 31, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Aren't you leaving out one of our bigs

Namely Glen Big Baby Davis, possibly 6th man of the year? Without him, we will not win the finals.

by mmbaby on Jan 31, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't agree with that

Cs can win it all without Baby. If he plays like he has lately, he’s a huge help, makes it much easier, no doubt about it. But he’s not essential. I believe there are just 2 guys that are ABSOLUTELY essential – KG and Rondo. Paul’s absence… would be very, very tough to overcome. But it could be done. Same for Ray. Same for Perk. But other than KG and Rondo, the absence of any one of them would not be insurmountable.

by DRJ1 on Jan 31, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Rebounding is a chicken-and-egg thing

Interesting that you report Doc pointing out that winners of games are the ones that “control the boards.” The question is: which comes first, controlling the boards (egg) or winning the game (chicken)?

When you win a game, two things are generally true (esp for this team): you were good on Defense, and you were good on Offense. When you play good D, you are LOWERING your opponent’s FG%, obviously. The lower his FG%, the MORE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS THERE ARE FOR YOU.

It’s important to note here that the MAJORITY of any team’s rebounds will always be Defensive, not Offensive. In any given game, each team will get about 72% of the available defensive rebounds, give or take a few points. Therefore, raising a team’s total number of available defensive rebounds always significantly raises that team’s TOTAL REBOUNDS.

Put all this together, and you find that one of the BEST ways to have a high number of rebounds — AND a high rebound percentage — is simply to play really good defense. One leads to the other. Of course, playing really good D typically helps you win the game too, right? Helps A LOT. It is for this reason that the winner of any given game will typically have good rebounding stats. The chicken comes before the egg. Winning AUTOMATICALLY means you have good rebound stats (generally). It’s not the other way around… you’re not winning because you did well on the boards. YOU’RE WINNING BECAUSE YOU PLAYED GOOD DEFENSE. The rebounds are coming along for the ride… the chicken is laying eggs without even telling you about it.

This reasoning also applies to Offensive rebounds. By playing very well on the offensive end, you MINIMIZE YOUR OPPONENT’S TOTAL AVAILABLE DEFENSIVE REBOUNDS (again, obviously). Since that’s their major source of TOTAL rebounds, this means your opponent will have relatively POOR rebounding stats. Yours will look good in comparison simply because you played great O.

So again, you win the rebounding battle because you played well…. in this case, on the offensive end.

Put it all together, and we find that playing well on BOTH ends GREATLY improves your rebounding stats… AUTOMATICALLY. Again, the chicken is coming before the egg. Playing well MEANS you will have good-looking rebound stats… not the other way around.

Interestingly, hitting a large % of your FINAL free throws (the 2nd or 3rd when you have more than one) ALSO reduces your opponent’s Defensive rebounds number (as well as his total available rebounds).

None of this should be construed as meaning that a team shouldn’t pay attention to rebounding. Not at all. The harder you try, the more you’ll get, the better your game will go. But the rebounding per se is not WHY you win. It’s the other way around.

Anyway… just an interesting little (ok, not so little) aside about rebounding. It’s been hammered on here before, but I so liked the AUTOMATIC, chicken-and-egg nature of those stats, that I thought it was worth sharing.

by DRJ1 on Jan 31, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

:)

Why, the Egg Salad, of course! If it were the Chicken Salad, there would never be enough eggs to ever make Egg Salad! Imagine if they made Chicken Salad out of the first chicken…. there wouldn’t be any more chickens! But we know that there are, so that can’t be. On the other hand, if they took a few eggs and made Egg Salad out of them, it would be no big deal…there would be still be plenty of eggs left to make more chickens.

Besides, I love egg salad — esp when there are cut veggies in there, like celery and onion, and not too much mayo. But I HATE chicken salad. Too thick, heavy… dead.

No, Egg Salad had to come first. Which is interesting because the actual CHICKEN clearly came BEFORE the egg. It was the CHICKEN who walked out of the primordial soup, not the silly egg. Eggs can’t even walk! (Actually, TWO chickens had to walk out before any fertile eggs could be laid.)

by DRJ1 on Jan 31, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you so much. I couldn't have done it...

without my mother,.. my father,.. my blogmates,.. and……. [[choking back tears]]……. the team!…….. If only Tony Allen were here to round out the nuttiness.

by DRJ1 on Jan 31, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Off topic, but...

Check out Hollingers power rankings this week.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings
I know it’s a useless stat, but man is this guy F’ing ridiculous, or what?!

by PaFish on Jan 31, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

He doesn't control them

It’s just some complicated formula he came up with. Doesn’t mean anything.

by phi7 on Jan 31, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

oh right

I forgot. Doesn’t change the fact that he’s a tool, and any opportunity I get to say it, I’ll take!

by PaFish on Jan 31, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that these rankings matters

But at least Marc Stein has the Celts at number 2 after the Spurs

by vinnie on Jan 31, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

". . .but ABC decided not to show us the game's beginning. . ."

You can’t postpone a game at Staples Center (at least when the lakers are playing). That way, fashionably late become on time and that’s something that just CAN"T happen.

by RMO on Jan 31, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

honestly

I think gasol aka softy is gonna be back in that formation. He took advantage of kg’s leg last year and since kg is back to his old form, i can see number 5 bad mouthing him, all over again!! Kg is a monster!!! Everybody who played
Yesterday, did there role. Fakers to me can not be like the celtics of last year. Losing all there games and going to the finals. Its just happening this year. Unless the refs come thru and save the day.

by CBleedsGreeN on Jan 31, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

you mentioned rays career high FG and 3p %'s but

in reality, the entire starting 5 have career highs in FG% and ray and pierce in 3P%.

rondo: 51.7%
ray: 50.5% 45.4% (3’s)
pierce: 51.2 % 42.3% (3’s) and FT’s (85.3%
KG: 53.9%
shaq: 66.7%

early on but add in perkins: 66.7%, west: 56% and erden: 60.4% and you’re looking at 8 guys shooting over 50% with daniels sitting at 49%. thats got to be a record in itself.

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."

im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!

i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"

by remembering9ergods on Jan 31, 2011 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

kendrick perkins

what gone reallu noticed is kendrick has made a very good recovery hes looked himslelf pretty much hes never been very quick or very good technically hes a banger and hes doing a good job he played quite alot of minutes itihkn he played more than 27 minutes

by Tai_chi on Jan 31, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

69.4% shooting in the second half?

Those are video game numbers….better then video game numbers impressive.

by wisco87 on Jan 31, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

I always love

When Shannon Brown guards Ray Allen. Ray always scores alot when Brown is on him. Lakers should keep Brown in the game lol

And I raise my hand that I honestly and truly thought Pierce, Ray, and KG would all still be really effective/improve in their later stages of their career. Theres a reason why I love them so much. The cohesiveness, work ethic, silencing their egos, etc. Its just amazing watching three great players gel so well with each other. Its a privilege

by OsirusCeltics on Jan 31, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, KG and PP were locks

…to get better this year, since they were both playing hurt back then. It’s Ray who’s the real surprise. And now there’s Perk’s return. And I guess Shaq too.

by DRJ1 on Jan 31, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

point guards

There is only two true point guards in the game, Nash and Rondo. A true point guard is determined by assists, and these guys are one and two. Thats not to take away from some of the other great players, but they mostly focus on scoring.

by angloamer on Feb 1, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions  

Rondo

The real hero of yesterdays game was Rondo, The Celtics and Lakers played pretty even in the 1st half. It was when he went to work, doing what only he can do, picking apart the other teams defence. KG may be Bostons motivator, but Rondo is the adrenelin that makes them go.

by angloamer on Feb 1, 2011 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

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