What Was The Worst Celtics Trade?
Red used to make fools of the rest of the NBA in his dealings and Danny pulled off one of the best summers in the history of trades in 2007, but there have been some pretty good stinkers in this franchise history as well. So let us waste some lockout time by arguing over which one is the worst!
Some candidates:
- Danny Ainge and Brad Lohaus for Joe Kleine and Ed Pinckney
- Paul Westphal and two 2nd rounders for Charlie Scott
- Chauncey Billups for Kenny Anderson
- Kenny Anderson, Vitaly Potapenko and Joseph Forte for Vin Baker and Shammond Williams
- Joe Johnson, Randy Brown, Milt Palacio and a 1st-round pick for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk
- Andrew DeClerq and 1st-round pick for Vitaly Potapenko
- Antoine Walker, Tony Delk for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills, and 1st-round pick
- Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson for Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, and conditional 1st-round pick
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In terms of value traded away and value received, I voted for the Joe Johnson trade
traded away an all-star for practically nothing. I was tempted to vote for the Perkins trade though, simply because it may have cost us a championship and was just not a very smart move
agree with the Joe Johnson trade being the worse
as do a lot of other people. And I don’t think its close between this and the other trades. The Johnson trade was a true stinker as validated over time.
The Perkins trade is fresh in people’s minds and is associated with not winning the championship last year. But a) its a pretty far stretch to say that the Perk trade out-weighed other factors such as Rondo’s injury and other issues in keeping that title out of reach. And b) it’s full value has not even been played out yet since while all of Perkin’s opportunity value is played out (his contract is done and he signed a big contract with OKC) we still have future value yet to be realized in extending Green and whatever value we get from the draft pick.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
by mmmmm on Nov 1, 2011 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm surprised so far...
Billups for Anderson actually was fairly successful at the time of the trade and helped us remain competitive for several years. Plus, Billups bounced around a little while before finding his niche
The Joe Johnson trade was crappy, but we knew what we were doing when we did it (going for a championship, even if it wasn’t very likely). It was a prime example of what the Yankees and Red Sox have done a lot in recent years (except we didn’t have unlimited prospects). It would have been nice if Rogers stuck around longer.
I voted for the Raef trade. It was Ainge’s first huge move when he became gm and he dug us into a much deeper hole by taking on one of the worst contracts in the league (5 or 6 years left at 13 million a year) in a player that was known to have horrible knees. The other perks weren’t good enough to give up one of our two franchise players.
I'm also surprised that Antoine-for-Raef is only polling 2%...
That said, I voted for Joe Johnson, due to the sheer ineptitude of the deal.
- We traded away a young guy who developed into an all-star along with a first rounder for two guys that weren’t that good;
- We then refused to pay Rodney Rogers — who was actually a pretty good fit in our system — something like an extra $1 million, and let him walk in free agency. To “replace” Rogers, we dealt for Vin Baker;
- Lastly — and by far, the worst part of this deal — was that Phoenix was willing to take Kedrick Brown instead of JJ, but management insisted on including Johnson
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
I also believe the failure to sign Rogers was why that trade was a poor deal
by GetYourSoxOn on Oct 31, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
my feeling as well
The failure to get another couple of years with Rogers made that a bad deal (besides the most obvious point of moving JJ instead of Brown). The failure to retain Rogers drove the Baker deal and then it was all downhill from there.
I voted for the 1st Antoine trade. Horrrible value received for an all-star talent that had a lot of versatility
Vin
or, at least until i was reminded of the Billups and JJ deals. Granted the club dint give up as much for VB, but oh what a bust.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
PAUL SILAS
October 20, 1976: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Boston Celtics to the Denver Nuggets; the Denver Nuggets traded Ralph Simpson to the Detroit Pistons; and the Detroit Pistons traded Curtis Rowe to the Boston Celtics.
we went from being champs to being chumps in 1 year. We stll had JO JO, havlicek, Scott, and Cowens but the wheels were falling off. We could have kept the starers largely intact, though Scott had suffered injuries he led the team in scoring. Rowe drove Cowens so nuts he quit and drove a cab
Silas sort of forced Red's hand by holding out...
But yeah, Red thought that Wicks and Rowe would be great together, and instead they imploded the team.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
The Westphal trade was a rough one...
Westphal made five all-star teams and was All-NBA four times (three 1st teams, one 2nd team) after the deal. Charlie Scott lasted 2 1/2 years.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
The only reason I don't have this as my worst trade is because Charlie Scott helped the team win a title...
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
im not a celtics fan
so i dont know the history of many of these players, but wouldnt it have to be
Joe Johnson, Randy Brown, Milt Palacio and a 1st-round pick for Rodney Rogers and Tony Delk
i say this because, A) joe johnson is the only name i see on there that i know, and he has been an allstar level player for much of his career. and B) it led to this
Andrew DeClerq and 1st-round pick for Vitaly Potapenko
so essentially the trade really becomes,
Joe Johnson, Randy brown and 2 FIRST ROUND PICKS for Rodney Rogers and Vitaly Potapenko
….yikes
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2011 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was surprised
not to see the #7 over-all pick for Telfair.
Well, Telfair plus a swap of contracts...
Moving Raef for Ratliff allowed us to pull off the KG trade. I probably would have taken Roy or Gay, but it’s hard to argue with the results.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Red`s Westphal trade still takes the cake...
But, John Y. Brown trading away three first round picks in 1979, for a past-his-prime McAdoo, makes him work for it!
The redeeming thing about the McAdoo pick...
… was that we eventually sent him to Detroit for two picks, one of which became Joe Barry Carroll (i.e., the dude Golden State wanted over McHale and Parish).
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
On that occasion, Red fleeced Detroit`s Dick Vitale so bad....
he turned him into a college basketball announcer!
Depending on how you feel about Chris Wallace
One might consider the worst trade in Celtics history to be the swap of 1997 second round draft picks (used on Mark Sanford and Ben Pepper) so that Boston could hire Wallace away from Miami.
I say the Joe Johnson trade because he was almost immediately effective.
Chauncey for Kenny was a good deal because Anderson was a good PG for us, while it took YEARS for Billups to actually live up to potential.
by xmuscular ghandix on Oct 31, 2011 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
You gotta dig deeper behind the Weshpal/Scott trade to understand its impact on the franchise
When Red acquired scorer Scott for 9 ppg bench youngster Wesphal, he had to give something to get something, and Red got a scorer who averaged 25 ppg thie three seasons previous to the trade. As noted previously, the Cs got a championship with Scott’s help, and his trade to the Lakers eventually got them Nate Archibald and Rick Robey and their title, and Danny Ainge and DJ and his two titles.
Scott was traded to the Lakers for Don Chaney, Kermit Washington, and a #1 pick, the 8th pick in 1978, Freeman Williams, who was part of the big Clippers trade that brought the Cs Tiny Archibald, Marvin Barnes,Billy Knight, 2nd round 1981 draft, pick Danny Ainge, and 1983 2nd round pick Rod Foster, who was later spun to the Suns with Robey for DJ. Robey himself was acquired for Billy Knight. a few years previously. That a lot of titles for the bounty that came back the Cs was in the Scott/Wesphal trade. Wesphal is still in search of a title.
If you look at all the championship contributors that eventually ended up in green from the Scott/Wesphal trade, that move by Red might be one of his best trades ever, despite the great individual success of Paul Wesphal, who almost got the Suns a title against his old team in their classic Finals in 1976, from which a certain blogger got his handle.
Boston traded Westphal in 1975....DJ arrives in 1983
If you`re going to “extend transactions” to that degree, be sure to point out that Freeman Williams was traded by Boston to the Clippers…who traded him to Atlanta….who traded him in 1982 to Utah for future Hall Of Famer Dominque Wllkins.
Oh Yeah
The Perkins trade sucked. Big mistake.
Unless of course, the draft pick they acquired becomes something good. Jeff Green is a bum.
Way too early to judge the Perkins trade. Green’s only played half a season for us
by IsItTheShoes on Nov 1, 2011 4:14 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Maybe too early
Draft pick might be great, but I’ve got a feeling that even a few years down the line, the trade will still be judged on the impact the Perkins trade made on the team’s championship aspirations that season.
All These Trades But Two Seemed To Have A Purpose
These would be the trading of Chauncey Billups and Joe Johnson. These guys were playing on a team that had no chance of winning. They were never given enough time to develop to the point where they could be good players for the C’s or could result in a better deal. The trade involving Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers at least got us a decent ways in the playoffs that one year and that was exciting and was much a result of getting Rodgers.
Long term it was a bad trade.
The trade I hated the most, but understood, was the Perk trade. In the last post by Tugboat he/she comments on whether or not keeping Perk would have led to a championship last year. It probably wouldn’t have because we lost our bench from all the injuries and desparately needed a bench player. I think Jeff Green did a pretty decent job of that considering the situation he came into and when. But winning the championship depended on rested Pierce, Rondo, KG and Ray and because of all the injuries and moving our better bench players into starting or more important roles those guys just needed to play too much and too hard for too long. Plus, Rondo was really hurt going into the playoffs and West never did recover from all his injuries to be the best backup for him. Jeff Green gave us a chance of having an impact player come off the bench. It just didn’t work out. I still hate not having Perk on our team, but I don’t think Danny had a choice. I can also agree with those saying this was not a good trade, but at least Danny had the guts to do it and take the chance that Green (and Kristic) could help us. I don’t think it was done without a lot of thought and I think Danny hated doing it.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
i voted for the joe johnson trade, but wahz makes a lot of sense re trading paul slas who went on to win another ring with seattle.the raef fiasco was bad but i always had a soft spot in my heart for raef.
trust me, everyone here is too young or isn't but has lost perspective or their memory
Trading Silas for Curtis Rowe was the worse trade in Celtics history and showed that Red could make huge mistakes.
Yes, it did not turn out well
However…..nobody was complaining loudly the day Red essentially traded Silas for Wicks & Rowe in 1976.
Wicks and Rowe were both 27 back then….the 3 NCAA titles they led UCLA to were still a fresh memory….Rowe was a guy averaging 16 pts. and 9 rebounds at the time…Wicks was a 20 & 10 guy!
Silas was 33 years old.
If My Memory Serves Me
Of course, any deal for Curtis Rowe was a bad one, especially Paul Silas. I don’t remember the deal, but if memory serves me Silas found a clause that let him out of his contract so he was able to pursue more money. I guess Red didn’t want to pay and thus this trade. I would call it more of a no deal. Anyway I loved Paul Silas. He and Cowens had a great chemistry and Silas helped us win a championship because of that combo (I think).
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
"Criminally Negligent Officiating"--Tommy Heinsohn
Yeah, Silas refused to report to the team, I believe...
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
so um is it not a bad trade because Red thought he had to do it?
Was the question what was a bad trade but its excuseable if its a bad trade but Red felt he had to do it? you guys are something else here.
I think ....
out of the list above one of the harder trades to accept was Ainge being traded away from the C’s for Joe Kleine and Ed Pinckney in the late 80’s.
Though I understood the rationale of the trade at the time since the C’s were in dire need of big man front court depth (sound familiar huh…lol), I hated the trade so much at the time since it broke up the big 5 of Ainge, DJ, Parish, Mchale and Bird.
Ainge bleed green and was a true Celtic and hurt to see him go at the time.
Thats why I was so glad to see him come back home and become President of Basketball Operations for the Celtics.
Well Said
I hated this trade, but understood the need to get a backup for 00. I don’t think Red liked it either. But, Danny left with grace and never lost his love of the Celtics. If we are talking about bad deals, the best deal the Owner’s ever made was to hire Danny as GM and then let him do his job.
"I don't come to play, I come to WIN"--Larry Bird
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