Our Best Hope For Banner 18, ...Jeff Green?
The Celtics missed out on David West and it seems like Chris Paul may just be stuck in New Orleans for a while. The Celtics finished signing the paperwork for the rookies and camp invite free agents. The team still has a $3M mini-mid level exception they can use, but beyond that there's a real good chance that this is the team headed forward. (Update 1: reports are that Danny used the mini-mid level on Wilcox, so he's getting $3M for 1 year.)
This same team wasn't able to get by the Miami Heat last year. Yes, Rondo finished out the series with one arm, but the team looked largely overmatched even when he was healthy. It is anyone's guess how they would have fared against the Bulls in the next round had they found a way to beat the Heat.
Keep in mind, the Big 3 stayed relatively healthy all year and had very solid seasons. If the team hopes to do anything, we have to make sure they all maintain relative health and don't fall off too much statistically.
I do believe that the team has upgraded at the backup power forward spot by replacing Glen Davis with Brandon Bass. Time will tell if Dooling is an upgrade over Delonte West. Marquis Daniels adds some depth as long as he's healthy. Jermaine O'Neal is as always an injury question mark. Avery Bradley could surprise people, but personally I'm not putting his ceiling too high.
That leaves Jeff Green as our big hope for improvement. On one hand, he is better than the player that played in Boston for the last few months. I understand that most statistics show little difference on a per minute comparison to his days in OKC. Still, that doesn't account for how uncomfortable he looked out there. Not to mention the fact that he was still filling in at the 4 when the team was forced to push Big Baby to the 5 - a lineup that does nobody any big favors.
Update 2: Jeff Green is being held out of practice for a few days pending a few extra tests. When Ainge was asked if this would nullify the deal, he said "Oh, no, no, no. We’re not close to that yet. It’s just precautionary. Practice just started today officially when we had our whole team here. It will be resolved this week."
The hope is that this year he'll be able to find his groove a lot better. He'll hopefully be able to play a lot more small forward, only shifting over to power forward for certain favorable matchups. Hopefully he'll tap into that much talked about potential and improve one or more aspects of his game.
I kind of see him as a jack of all trades, master of none. He can do a little bit of everything but lacks that defining talent that makes him a legit building block. Just like we hope that Rondo can improve his jump shot, we can also hope that Green can get better at something that makes him blossom.
Perhaps Pierce can show him how to find a spot on the floor that he can always get to and always hit jumpers. For Pierce it is the top of the key. Maybe Rondo can figure out how to connect with him on the break more often. Maybe Doc can turn him into a plus defender. I don't know how realistic any of this is, but I do know that the guy has talent and at some point he'll either find his "thing" or he'll find himself playing big minutes for lottery bound teams for the rest of his career (pray that situation doesn't develop here in Boston).
Green has the ability to make himself a lot more money for the next few years. In addition, last season ended on a really sour note for Jeff and you can bet that he'd really like to get another chance to get it right. It isn't really fair that his legacy will always be somewhat tied to the Kendrick Perkins trade (he didn't make the trade).
He's got a golden opportunity here. He could absolutely surprise people and become a legit 6th man of the year candidate and more importantly help give the Celtics an added dimension to put them in position to contend for the Championship.
That's the hope at least. Perhaps that's a sad thought to many who don't have much faith in Green, but it is at least something. Stranger things have happened.
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a) no way you had time to actually read the article and post that comment
b) don’t know if that’s supposed to be sarcasm or what but sometimes I’m optimistic sometimes I’m not, that’s life
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
perhaps he's a speed reader
- if jeff green is going to put this team on his shoulders like max, we have issues -
Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Agree 100% on Green
however, let’s not put it all on him; for C’s to go deep into the playoffs, also need the big 3 to stay healthy/monitor minutes; B.Bass to factor more than BBD did; RR to make more free throws, somehow keep JO healthy,especially in the playoffs; + get decent backup play from whatever centers we end up with; and something from the two rookies.
That should do it.
Hey, Jeff. Not sure if you’ve seen this yet but I just came across it on WEEI as part of a report as to why Jeff Green hasn’t practiced yet. “Ainge also said that Sasha Pavlovic’s deal was guaranteed and that they had used the taxpayer mid-level exception on Chris Wilcox. Both deals are for one year.” The second part being what I was pointing out that Ainge says they used the tax payers (AKA mini mid level) exception on Wilcox. So, as you wrote in this post that we still have the min mid level left. Now I’m not so sure that is true based on this report. Which…. really means this is what we’ve got moving forward for this season.
by ryanthesportsguy on Dec 12, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
ugh
This article depressed me. If we basically have to hope Jeff Green turns into Superman for us to have improved as a team…
As I have posted in other places
I am not a big fan of Jeff Green’s game, but there is no reason to hammer the kid more. I do hope he can change his game to really help the Celtics this season and ill cheer for him as long as he wears Celtic Green, but I just dont see how this guy has the heart to lead a team.
Just my opinion and I am no expert.
At least his contract situation is in our favor
He either proves himself or we let him walk after the year.
by redbridge13 on Dec 12, 2011 4:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah but Paul is a proven top 5 player
Jeff Green is at best an x-factor who we may not even want beyond this season.
by redbridge13 on Dec 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
MIA
BTW, he was missing from today’s practice. with no excuse.
Not quite correct. There is some "issue" that surfaced in his physical.
Hopefully it is nothing too serious.
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Probably affective disorder
like narcolepsy. Tends to fall asleep from time to time while at work.
he was sick
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
by WillyBeamin on Dec 12, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I still see our best potential for winning a title this year...
Lies in Rondo becoming a top 10 player. Consistently controlling the game through his defense and ability to break down defenses and create for others. If he can consistently be a double-double guy, aggressively looking to score at times from a variety of spots on the floor, and playing good defense I think that is our best shot.
The PG position is one that we’ll need to dominate against MIA, and try to break even against CHI. This falls on Rondo’s shoulders.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
Wasn’t he always a pretty consistent double-double guy last year, despite his post-ASB struggles?
I’d kinda like him to get a bit more aggressive on the rebounding end because I feel like that is going to be a bit of a problem for us this year despite KG’s ability on the defensive boards. I’d also like a bit more aggression on the scoring side of offense because towards the end of the year a lot of teams were looking to just take away passing lanes/opportunities and sort of force him to shoot/try to score.
A few more games like the one where he scored 30+ against the Knicks in the playoffs would be nice to get his confidence going. The threat of scoring is always important and I think that’s something that left him towards the end of the season.
you're simplifying my comment
I didn’t say be a double-double guy and we’re good, it also involves looking for his shot more while keeping up his assist number.
"Take it to the hoop, there's a dance involved." - DJ Tommy
by WillyBeamin on Dec 12, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I thought I was reading The Onion for a second there.
by jurrasicearl on Dec 12, 2011 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
youre forgetting
rondo has a very big chip on his shoulder because of the paul fiasco and the fact that rose has already moved past him in terms of talent and maybe in terms of how many rings each one has.
plus your also forgetting our two rookies, i have a feeling doc is going to play them this year.
Speaking of the rookies...
When are we going to get JJJ officially inked?
by redbridge13 on Dec 12, 2011 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My hope is that JG needs some time to acclimate that he didn’t have last year. So too, Doc didn’t have much time last year to figure out how to maximize JG’s strengths. Even with a shortened camp, my hope is that JG will become more reliable in whatever Doc asks him to do. I’m not going to pin hopes on him to be our savior, but I expect that he can learn to lead the second unit or provide some athleticism when on the floor with most of the starters. I expect at a minimum we’ll see more from Green than we did last year. Whether it’s worth $9m, well, I’m hopeful.
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM EST reply actions
Let's be patient in general
I think I need to watch the first few games to see which the season will go before I say JG has a chance.
And if there is a major injury in the first few games, i.e. – JO, DW, etc. then I’d say we’re doomed. If we get out of the 1st month doing ok (no injuries, good record) then I think we have a fighter’s chance.
Do all Celtics fan simply hate any player who is young and not already all-star worthy? Yes, admittedly Jeff Green had a poor first impression. Yet he’s an extremly gifted athlete with a high basketball IQ. However, half of what I read shows that fans want this guy off the team yesterday. The same goes for Avery Bradley. An extremely gifted guard who played amazing at Texas, and because he is still in a prospect stage, people could absolutely care less if he gets cut tomorrow.
Its true Bradley and Green won’t alone bring you a championship, but these two can provide solid depth this year that most people seem to completely ignore. Lately it just seems that Celtics will completely write off anyone who hasn’t already proven what they can provide.
The problem isn't how he as played as a Celtic for half of a season
Being traded to a new team at the trade deadline is not easy, especially to a contender. The problem is he is not a rookie anymore and he has always been about UPSIDE. What you just said “extremely gifted” has been said about Jeff Green his whole NBA career, and it’s always what he could be not what he is. For whatever reason he has not clicked, and every year that passes it is more likely he never will. He isn’t one of those complete busts, but Danny seems much higher on him than everyone else ever since Green came into the league. Hopefully this year Green will reward Danny’s faith in him.
As presently constituted
not.
a.
playoff.
team.
This is a playoff team
Just not a championship team. I think as currently built, we are very likely to lose again in the 2nd round. No way this team beats Bulls or Heat.
It is a 3rd or 4th seed in the east and a second round out
Nothing wrong with that
Nothing wrong with that if you're the clippers...
We don’t celebrate second round losses in Boston.
by FanFromMaine on Dec 12, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
4th Seed, but...
Agree, Doc will go all out for HDCA, but once the playoffs start? MIA will beat upon teams in the regular season, but come the playoffs? They are still weak at 5,4 and 1. Their depth as at Libby/Wade’s spots, where the C’s have added depth. L/W still are not reliable shooters, Libby until proven otherwise is a frontrunner, not a closer. Chicago has not upgraded on the wing et and the C;s have bodies to bang with Booze and Noah. And do not think Chandler will turn the Knicks into a defensive juggernaut.
"Celtics bring order and structure to a chaotic world"
Mini-Midlevel
Really need a combo guard. Our guard situation is frightening.
Crossing my fingers for Delonte. I’d welcome AI too.
Just saw this tweet on hoopshype rumor page
Chris Forsberg: Danny Ainge notes the C’s used their mini mid-level on Chris Wilcox
I think this year is on Rondo and Green
we pretty much know what to expect from the Big 3
If DA does not save the MLE for 2012
what does everyone think of Rudy Fernandez ? -a nice backup for Ray
It seems to me we need scoring off the bench; if KG does play some center, we should be covered there.
Jeff Green
I finally decided to chime in. An Oklahoma resident my entire life, graduate of Oklahoma State and Boston Celtics fan as long as I can remember (I’d take Bird first in any draft of all-time greats), I winced at the criticism of Tony Allen, thinking, “Yeah, he’s a knucklehead, but they’ll appreciate him one day,” rolled my eyes when Danny drafted J.R. Giddens (as a former coach here in OK, I’d seen and heard enough of him to anticipate he’d bust), and, although I understood some of the criticism of Jeff Green, don’t agree with the vast majority that he won’t benefit the team. I’ll admit that my first reaction to the trade of Perkins was, “Nooooo!”, but I’ve seen Green play plenty for the Thunder, and even being the third best player, he had plenty of moments that showed he could be more than just a nice filler. So, now I’ll put my money where my mouth is and say (write?) that I anticipate everyone will be pleasantly surprised by his contributions this year. Love this site, love the positive attitudes, love the objectivity and appreciation of everyone’s opinions, and Jeff, I think you’re one heckuva writer. Thank you for allowing me to ramble. Can’t wait to wear my Celtics 18th banner t-shirt in July.
by Porkchop Express on Dec 12, 2011 6:02 PM EST reply actions
Yes, thx for the post.
Please don’t be a one-and-done!
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I agree fully...
…I am a heckuva writer!
just kidding, I wish I was heckuva, I’m more like a sonofa but I’m trying
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
Seriously
As a current writer and former English teacher, and at the risk of this becoming a love fest (I have two kids and am married…to a woman…so don’t worry), I’m serious about your writing skills. I’m far from an expert, and light years away from proficient, but I don’t think most people understand that your skills as a writer are uncommon. And the fact that you mock yourself only makes it all cooler.
Most forums are full of vitriolic comments and smart-a$$es. This is only the third (well, now fourth) time I’ve written on one of these, but the passion of all the fans on this site and the respectful back-and-forth draws me back daily.
For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t mind a big splash, but would much rather have the Big 4 do it themselves, then ride off into the sunset (minus Rondo) with an ethereal, sparkling reflection from their two Championship rings blinding the doubters.
by Porkchop Express on Dec 13, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Go green machine
Every team in the NBA can only dream of the chemistry the celtics have maintained. Look @ the east: the heat can’t win a title w/o Pat at the helm; the Knicks are Dallas 5 years ago; the bulls are great with rose but if you double him who’s left, boozer???? If you add the experience of the big three, the motor of RR and some extremely hungry players, you get a championship team.
by green corn on Dec 12, 2011 6:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I have high hopes for Jeff..
not to sound like a broken record but I think considering the core is made up of older players, his young legs and athleticism are very much needed at the moment.
I also think his length (especially at the 3 position) and his perimeter, in the paint and in transition scoring capabilities can make him a big weapon this year.
He does have to work on his defense a bit, but I think with the vets and Doc around to help him, he can improve in this area given time.
Thats my hope and belief, but time will only tell for sure.
agreed
right now with his current skills set is to look for mismatches and post him up because he cant create his own shot unless theres something we havnt seen yet. but overall playing at the 4 with kg at center will get him alot of open shots and nice spacing for him to succeed. against small fowards i would realy like him to be aggressive post up the smaller guys and get to the rim. not to mention our good defense and the ability to run the floor should get him an easy 6 points a night
we just got to give this kid another chance too many people bash him im sure doc will use him the right way and i do see him as a 6th man canidate as said above
Agree...
I also would realy like Green to be aggressive and to utilize his length in the paint to post up the smaller guys he is matched up against.
He has a nice mini Jump hook (ala Mchale I think) in the paint that is quite effective if utilized properly and more often by the C’s and considering the C’s lack low post scoring it would be nice to see.
I agree also that Green should be utilized at the 4 position for spot duty at times depending on match ups, where he can utilize his speed and athleticism to run bigger , slower 4’s off the floor (literally) which can help change complexion of games in the C’s favor if Doc wants to run a fast break transition offense .
I agree having Green at the 4, Kg at the 5 and maybe Pierce at the 3 with Rondo leading the way (again in certain spot situations and depending on match ups) would be fun to see as that would be one fast and athletic unit which could get alot of points in transition quickly.
We can compete for championshipp this year
And all we need out of Jeff Green is a James Posey contribution and that is very much within the capacity of this young player. The C’s were smart. Green for one year to see if he loses the “deer in headlights” look he had last year. That can happen joining a team and city like this. If his game approaches his gifts we’ll have the money to extend then.
I don’t know Dooling’s game but if Danny says so! I like Daniels, Pavlovic and have some faith in Bradley (Talk about deer in headlights last year).
i thik Jermaine O’Neal is the biggest swing piece – he swings healthy we are tough. He swings unhealthy and we struggle in post.
This season is about making the play-offs, and posturing
for next season. Let’s be real. Miami and Chicago are better, and Knicks are probably even with us. This is not going to be fun.
Agreed, sort of.
We only won 46 last year, and we have only Steimsma and J. “400 minutes a year” O. at center. Not a recipe for success. A 32-34 team would be the 7-8 seed, and get destroyed in Round 1.
With all the back-to-backs, even Philly and (gulp) Washington could have better records than us.
It’ll be interesting to see who, if anyone, among Bass, Green and Wilcox, can be an achiever instead of an underachiever. So there’ll be fun like that. But lots of losses.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Green will most likely improve compared to last season.
But he won’t be the difference maker. The big 4 would still dictate the destiny of the ballclub. Still, I don’t think last year’s issue of having those scoring droughts were addressed with the line up we have right now. We still don’t have someone who can break down the defense and make a play when Pierce is unable to do so. And he is getting up in years so those ISOs for Paul and being able to score will not be as often.
I disagree that our "best hope" for Banner 18 is Jeff Green.
I think Green is going to be fine and folks are going to be pleasantly surprised.
But our “best hope” lies squarely on health. We have been atrociously unlucky in the health department the last 3 years.
If our bench can stay healthy and actually contribute positive net points, then that alone will be a fantastic upgrade over last year, when our bench was basically in the infirmary.
If this team avoids any major injuries and can hit the playoffs healthy, then they have just as much chance at a title as any other team in the NBA.
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Do you really mean they have as much a chance as "any" other team in the NBA?
I think they have a chance, but a far less chance than several other teams: Chicago, Miami, Dallas, OKC for starters.
Let me put it this way
at the start of LAST season, what would you have rated the chances were for Dallas?
The top favorites were teams like LA, Miami, Boston, San Antonio, etc.
A lot can and will happen between now and then. And once you are in the playoffs, it is all about which team is healthy and gets hot at the right moment.
There is no point to trying to make hard assertions like “This team definitely can NOT contend!” or “This team definitely will finish no higher than X!”
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What’s special about the teams you mentioned that they have a better chance than us? Dallas for example are going to have a tough time without Chandler (and having to play Vince Carter). Why would they have a better chance than us?
by IsItTheShoes on Dec 12, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And what happened today with a health issue concerning Green
which held him out of practice?
Jeff, you said, "The team still has a $3M mini-mid level exception they can use, but beyond that there's a real good chance that this is the team headed forward."
But Forsberg on espn is saying Danny already used it on Wilcox. So there is no major money left, right?
yeah i just saw that, too. which yeah would mean all the c’s have left to offer is veterans minimum contracts to fill out the foster with undrafted rookies like Gilbert Brown or players the caliber of Sasha Pavlovic.
by ryanthesportsguy on Dec 12, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like DA did spend $3M on Wilcos.
Wow! Is he worth that? I have a feeling only the Cs were willing to spend that much on him. Wasn’t he earning the minimum in Detroit last season? Looks to me like a waste of money.
Impossible to say whether someone is a waste of money before they’ve even set foot on the court. We’ll know whether the mini MLE was wasted by the end of the year.
by IsItTheShoes on Dec 12, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, he's a 9 year vet, who is 6' 10" and has consistently averaged 15 pts per 36 minutes
to go along with 9 rebounds per 36.
Not a great player, but a solid journeyman role player.
Jeeze – looking at his stats, his per-36 numbers are rock-consistent throughout his career across 5 different teams! So he looks to be fairly dependable.
He made $3M each of the last two years with Detroit. He made over $6M each of the three seasons prior to that.
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for what it's worth, Ray Allen played with Wilcox back in Seattle.
As did Jeff Green (after Ray left).
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The per 36 stats are nice.
But is he going to play 36mins for the Cs this season?
Doesn't matter.
You can’t assess the quality of a player unless you use SOME sort of common reference.
If you only play him 12 minutes, you should expect to get about 5 points and 3 rebounds of him ‘on average’. That’s all this is saying.
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yup.. boooo. i was holding out hope we could land a somewhat decent player for that money. not that wilcox is an awful player… but i was hoping for another guy aside from him to either be another big man or a backup 2 guard. because we really don’t have a backup 2 guard.
by ryanthesportsguy on Dec 12, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I guess that depends on what you mean by 'really ... a backup 2 guard'.
Guys on the roster who can play the 2 include:
Ray Allen, Marquis Daniels, Paul Pierce, Jeff Green, Avery Bradley, E’Twaun Moore, Keyon Dooling & Sasha Pavlovic.
In no particular order.
In my ideal rotation, MOST of the minutes at SG should go to Ray & then Paul (with JG at SF). That would keep two of RA/PP/JG on the floor at all times.
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I wanna see Bradley get the minutes at 2 after Ray
His defense and athleticism are unreal. Develop for future, Danny.
"People don't understand, if you can't live the rest of your life off one year in the NBA, you can't live off 21." -- Keon Clark
Jeff Green is the X factor...like it or not!
I do agree #1 is the big 4’s health. But Jeff Green will be key to a deep playoff run. I actually love the idea of him maybe starting and having Pierce come off the bench. Imagine what Pierce would do to the other teams second team. Last year that was our downfall the second units input. This would also keep Pierce"s minutes down and keep pressure off of Green with the first unit. ANY THOUGHTs?
+1
There are alot of potential X factors on this team and Green may just be one of them.
I would also not mind seeing Green start and to see Pierce come off the bench as it may help get Green going and involved early in games.
Pierce being a pro I think could handle coming off the bench anyway and its like Red said anyway its not who start the game thats important its who finishes it.
Jeff Green is just one guy.
Even LeBron was not enough to win it all for Miami last season. We will have a hard time against Miami with the roster that we have but if the C’s will be willing to push themselves hard and with a little bit of luck who knows maybe we can pull an upset the way the Mavs did in winning last season’s Championship.
Boston outmatched by Miami in last year's playoffs??
In the playoffs last year, the way I remember it the Celtics were not at all overmatched by Miami before Rondo was injured. After that the comparison means little for this year. That series was very up for grabs with a healthy Rondo the way I remember it.
I think I like the bench Danny has formed for this year. Green and Bass give them a great combination of youth, athleticism and experience, that should allow them to keep Pierce and KG strong for the playoffs if they stay healthy. Daniels if back to form, gives Doc more depth and flexibility off the bench. I think Jermaine is needed for 25 or so minutes per game and Wilcox and Stiemsma may be able to give them the defense and rebounding they need for the other 20 or so. The concern is that the 3 aging stars all stayed pretty healthy last year, so doing that again may be fighting the odds.
As for Jeff Green he should be a more comfortable member and contributor to the team and the Celts better at using him this year with a training camp, even a short one. And he should be pretty happy with his contract and very motivated.
Bradley, Dooling and Daniels will all likely contribute more than those spots did last year. Daniels and Dooling should be able to surpass waht Daniels and Delonte did last year, since Delonte was out almost all season and Daniels lost after looking quite good early. I did like what Delonte did when healthy. I’m very glad they kept Bradley because I think he is far more ready to contribute this year based on his end of season showings last year and he still has not even had a training camp or a summer league. The upside for him is high.
There’s enough to be intrigued about, with what seems like a strong character foundation to build upon especailly with the team’s leadership, depth that could contribute the very key support that the starters need, and even rookies that seem to have the potential to contribute this year because of their extended and strong college backgrounds. I’m building some of my interest and excitement back that was lost in the strike/lockout. The pieces may be there, but there is a fair amount of healthfulness that we need to hope for.
by SteveZ from Edgemont on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions
of course if we had had Perk...
we wouldn’t have gotten clobbered under the basket as much…never lost a playoff with our “big 5”, remember Doc’s words.
Now Perk is in great shape for Thunder…lost 30lbs in offseason and is rarin to go.
I’m hopeful Bass, JO (also worked his butt of getting in shape for this year), and Jeff Green (needs to come into his own should be motivated) will be a big improvement for us.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 12, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, having Perk would have stopped James and Wade hitting those ridiculous 3s. And of course he would have helped us when we couldn’t score in the final minutes of games.
by IsItTheShoes on Dec 12, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course...if Big Shaq was healthy
And Rondo’s arm wasn’t injured then the Celtics would have won Games 2, 3, 4, and 6 and probably take the Bulls to 7 games!
by SparzWizard on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
People on here tend to forget real quick. The Celtics had slim chance going to the finals because the bench was newly constructed in the middle of the season. Most of the Celtics key players like the O’Neals, Delonte, Daniels, Erden, Davis, Wafer and Rondo were either hurt or traded at the wrong time.
How could of the Celtics possibly compete with the Heat or Bulls if their roster was full of new players and key players were injured.
by C'sFanfrmNy on Dec 12, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Green has great upside...
He seemed timid last year…maybe coming into the Cs replacing our beloved Perk.
He and we have had time now…so I’m hopeful he will step it up the and realizes how great he can be. He was amazing at Gtown…watched him for 4 years there…he needs to be aggressive and confident. I’d love to see the chemistry and heart come together for this team..they’ve truly got a lot of great players!
by Daveonthecape on Dec 12, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Rondo is the key and has been. Im tired of watchin him dog it when he doesnt feel like playin. And he should be a better shooter by now. As he goes, so goes the C;s this year
when he's good, he's very very good...
amazing in fact…jaw droppingly good.
Let’s see him be that way all season long!
(and the season is short!)
by Daveonthecape on Dec 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, our best hope for banner 18
is for the Cs to all play throughout this season like junk yard dogs, like it’s their last chance, so they just lay it all out every game of the season and the playoffs. They don’t have much time to gel so a strong start, early reward, and feeling good about themselves early on is key I would say.
by Daveonthecape on Dec 12, 2011 7:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Best Hope For Banner 18, ...Jeff Green?
He’s not the best hope, but he better contribute the best way he can. This has been a lackluster free agency and the lockout is partly to be blame for it. Contenders such as the Celtics, Heat, Bulls, Lakers, Mavs, Spurs have all made minor tweaks to their rosters, but nothing major.
Most of the tweaks have been done to rosters bench and not so much for starting line-ups. Adequate role players u thought would sign with contenders instead signed w/ non-contenders, sadly. These trade debacle between Dwight Howard and Chris Paul is no longer news and I can care less about Howard and Paul at this point.
As for the Celtics I don’t expect much, but don’t expect less. Obviously the window of contending is will definitely after this 2012 season. If they’re planning to chase banner 18, then everybody has to try or remain relatively healthy which will be a challenge.
Injuries have been a major issue for the Celtics starting from 2009. And I believe the reason why the Celtics have come up short the past couple of years is because of injuries. They’re a veteran team so I’m sure some will have low expectations others will have high.
Only time will tell if this newly constructed bench will be as good as 2008 or 2011. I doubt 2008, but as far as 2011 not sure yet? I would like to see Delonte again not sure why Ainge didn’t resign him. The news guys must step up or it’s going to be rough ride during this 66 game season.
Dont think we can beat the Heat with this team
Although I thought the series was closer than people realized, we just looked way too slow….our back court just got smothered by lebron and wade
Although I thought the series was closer than people realized
I agree I thought had the Celtics finished games 4 and 5, then the series would of shifted. The Celtics lead in the final quarters of games 4 and 5, both had a mental lapse that we witnessed after the Kendrick Perkins was gone. Though I do believe if the Celtics had the same roster that played the Heat on opening night of 2010-2011, the Celtics would of likely manhandled the Heat.
by C'sFanfrmNy on Dec 12, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh I thought the Celtics learned about their Game 7 of 2010...
The same way they lost, except to LeBron’s Heat…
by SparzWizard on Dec 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Also, had the LBJ that showed up against Dallas, ie the reoccurring disappearing act, we would have swept the Heat. This was similar to the James in the 2010 playoffs and seems to be more than just a fluke. I think right now we could beat the Bulls, defensively they’re stellar but they still haven’t progressed offensively other than Rip, and we have a real shot at the Heat, though we would be pretty big underdogs.
We had a lot of variables against us last postseason, but I think people are being way too negative about this team. I know we aren’t favored, but I really, REALLY love the heart and the character of this team.
by redbridge13 on Dec 12, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seasons Expectations and Pipe Dreams.
I see this team going to the playoffs and maybe getting past the first round depending on who we play (If it’s Bulls, Heat or Knicks I say no chance). But I guess if CP3 and D12 are able to not get traded we really push for them in free agency. I know CP3 had no interest but if there is a huge push for Howard that may change it. And as much I hate to see him go Rondo and a draft pick or two could be used to get another very good player. I also don’t really know the Celtics cap situation after the season so I’m just going off a very sick pipe dream that is about as realistic as me becoming a trillionaire.
(If it’s Bulls, Heat or Knicks I say no chance).
Here we go again! Celtics fans overreacting because a couple of teams upgraded. Now here comes the fear campaign and now the Knicks are the new threat to the Celtics. If you paid attention to this off-seasons free agency a lot of contenders did not make major moves, but mostly minor tweaks.
The Knicks added Chandler, so that’s suppose to scare people. The Knicks have two good offensive players. Billups is gone and he was their only legit PG. Their bench got worse and not for the better. The Bulls are the same team with or without RIP Hamilton or let’s say DW12 if it’s possible.
As for the Heat they added one legit role player in Shane Battier, but no other major additions. Why don’t some wait until the Celtics, Heat and Bulls are at least 30 to 40 games in to start crowning a 2012 winner. Nothing personal against you, but sometimes when I come on here to read up to date info, people on here have something negative to say.
I can imagine how some in Celtics nation will react if the Celtics lost their first game of the 2012 season.
by C'sFanfrmNy on Dec 12, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
i’m always optimistic about the c’s even during that dismal 17 game losing streak a few years ago. we need a big man to split time with jo and wilcox. we were at our best last year when rondo was setting up shaq. i can’t see kg spending appreciable time as a 5—too old and fragile. we are good but considerably older than the miami,chicago, ny, and even nj.teams’ superstars. danny has to pull some more rabbits out of the hat for this year and clearly, he is setting the stage for big moves next year.we will make the playoffs and we need more for the whole enchilada. cp3 was worth the effort but he thinks we are too old and cold for him- no young superstar to pal around with. as far as green goes. he has to be more assertive-not be afraid to take over games and not worry about failing. and rondo has to set him up and not worry as much about satisfying the big 3.
We have one of the best shooters of ALL TIME in Allen...
…Oh please Sugar Ray, give Rondo lotsa lotsa shooting tips.
As for Green....
After a few months from last season, optimism dictates that there is nowhere else to go but up ;) It ain’t easy being Green _































