Jeff Green: Out For the Season
by Green17 on Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST
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Update - Jeff Green offers his thanks for the kind words and prayers from everyone and makes an optimistic promise. We're all rooting for you Jeff.
Thank u everyone for ur thoughts and prayers...much appreciated love u all..and I'll be back soon stronger and better than ever I promise
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This is scary; be well Jeff.
BOSTON - The Boston Celtics announced today that forward Jeff Green will undergo surgery on Monday January 9, 2012 at the Cleveland Clinic and will miss the 2011-12 season.
A team of leading cardiac specialists who consulted with Green and the Celtics indicated that surgery should completely repair Green's condition and that he can expect to resume his NBA career next season.
During his team physical Friday, December 9th, an aortic aneurysm was detected. As a precautionary measure, Green underwent extensive additional testing, after which doctors recommended surgery.
"While we are saddened that Jeff will not be able to play this season, the most important thing is his health, and we were fortunate to have access to an amazing team of specialists to evaluate Jeff's case," said Celtics President of Basketball Operations Danny Ainge. "The entire Celtics family supports Jeff during this difficult time in his career."
At Jeff's request, neither Jeff nor the Celtics will have any additional comment at this time.
See also: What Green's loss means to the Celtics - Chris Forsberg - Boston Celtics Report
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Tough Break
This is terrrible for Jeff, however good to hear they feel he will be back nxt year..on a basketball standpoint this is worst case scenario for Celtics.. They where coming into the season knowing this was there last chance… and now this makes it nearly impossible..JJ will get more time, as will Moore which could be good for the future… Also looking forward to seeing 37 year old James Posey back with the C’s Possibly
34 year old James Posey... keep the faith!
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Age wise
he would fit right in, eh?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring", and now a chest...Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 17, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Great News for Him....his life will be spared
Bad News for Celtics…..now spending money and getting nothing for it….
Sounds like taxes
I assume no relief is provided by the CBA or the NBA for this type of case?
Is it Soup Yet?
I was wondering the same thing
Is the signing contingent on passing the physical? Does it not work like a trade where you have to pass the physical in order for the contract to be valid? What are the options?
At any rate, terrible news but as blessing that this is how it was discovered. Good luck and best wishes to Green.
I heard the contract has been voided
don’t have a link though
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
IT depends on whether the contract was pending the physical or not.
Usually they are, or have provisions.
At any rate, the Celtics would probably be able to apply for and get a Disabled Player Exception which in this case would allow them to sign (or trade it for) a player for up to $4.5M (half of Green’s salary).
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The contract can be (and will be) voided...
We could get a disabled player exception if we wanted. However, that would cost us:
$9 million that we’d be playing Green (most likely not covered by insurance)
$9 million in luxury tax
$4.5 million for the player we sign
$4.5 million in luxury tax
So, $27 million to add an additional player. Also, we’d have to keep Jeff Green on the roster, I believe, taking up one of our 15 spots.
All the negativity in this town sucks. It sucks, and it stinks, and it sucks. - Rick Pitino
Yes. My 'at any rate' was for IF it wasn't void.
Since apparently it IS, then it’s n.a.
We can at this point only use a vet min contract to add someone.
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Who pays for the surgery?
Since Green wasn’t under contract, is he on his own for that?
Not sure. But I think that the player's get health insurance through the union.
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Forsberg
is saying they are going try to get a min. salary rather than deal with that 4.5 mill option?
"Beckum is Beckum, it's a hamstring", and now a chest...Tommy Coughlin
by Great Gatsby on Dec 17, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
NOPE
Celtics will get nothing… still just have vet min
e-gads Po...
you’re right.
Gerald, Orien, and now Jeff
by Tom Halzack on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm in shape...
to be ‘game’ for someone’s table. So I guess I am in game shape.
by Tom Halzack on Dec 17, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
not a jinx exactly.... Gerald and Orien just kind of sucked... is there a jinx surrounding the Perkins trade? Time will tell...
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
the Perk trade has nothing to do with this
and it shouldn’t even be brought up.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
says you
This is a discussion board, people are free to discuss what they like (so long as they do not attack other posters)
You may find it in bad taste, but that is a matter of opinion
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
Agree
Perk trade has everything to do with this. It was a very bad idea to begin with, and now it’s proven to be a complete disaster.
Can we please focus on Jeff's health.
For god’s sakes this could have killed him, thank god the doctor’s caught it.
Who the hell cares about the trade right now, just get well soon Jeff.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Then clearly, you lack the ability to have empathy.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Oh JR99, is this shtick, or are you really this absurd?
Jesus Shuttlesworth: I hate my name. What kind of name is Jesus anyway?
Jake Shuttlesworth: It's biblical.
Jesus Shuttlesworth: Yeah, no kidding.
by jakeshuttlesworth on Dec 17, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Celtic queen
Thank you!
by Mary Louise Covington-Smith on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why...
Trade or not Perkins wouldn’t be in Boston today because he asked for and got more money they he is worth.
by CelticsFanNC on Dec 18, 2011 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
I do find it in bad taste.
No one could have seen this coming, not even DA. If Green were have to have gotten in a car, would we be saying “oh, look, it was a bad trade because Green was in a car accident 8 months after the trade happened”. No.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
my point was just to clarify the meaning of jinx... as in "curse" or "hex"
there’s not really a curse around the last name Green, because Orien and Gerald weren’t cursed, they just sucked.
Now… there may or may not be a curse revolving around the Perkins trade. The jury is still out, is all..
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff was our big get in that trade
so yes, it is relevant to mention, we should be capable of removing emotion from the equation here. Rondo’s admitted loss of focus last year, Perk on a reasonable contract and looking great right now, Jeff’s current unfortunate situation.
All are dominoes that affect our team because of that trade, which many of us were very much against at the time. It’s all quite frustrating.
And complete unavoidable.
This is a freak occurrence nobody could have predicted, I’m just glad they caught it and nothing tragic happened to Jeff.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Wondering?
Why is physical not completed before signing? I wish Jeff the best, but are physicals not conducted before signing the final agreement?
It's likely the contract was contingent on passing the physical
The problem is that even without Green’s $9m on the books, the Cs are over the cap. It’s possible something can be done with the Disabled Player Exception. That let’s them get a replacement player for up to 1/2 of the injured player’s salary, or 100% of the average NBA player’s salary, whichever is lower. There are specific rules about WHEN this can be applied, and those rules depend on whether or not the injury occurs before or after November 30 — but those rules may or may not change this year, because obviously the timeline is very different this year compared to normal years.
So at best, MAYBE the Cs can get a replacement for $4.5m. (But who?) But maybe not, if Green’s contract is voided altogether. And there are probably other complications to all this. Bottom line: it’s a mess, and the Celtics are well-hosed now.
I think a player has to be under contract to get the DPE
since Green was a FA and signing a new contract, he’s technically not a member of the team and therefore we can’t get the exception. I may be mistaken.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, that logic seems sound
But since he was a returning C, there might be a twist in the rule about that. But even if we get the DPE, it’s at best only worth $4.5m, and there’s a major question about which season it applies to. A mess. Total.
Sounds right to me.
The contract was probably contingent on him passing his physical, and will likely be voided, so no Disabled Player Exception. Suspect all we can offer a replacement is vet min.
His contract is Void, you have to pass the physical to get paid.
thats 9mil off the books. I say we use it to pick up Nick Young who is asking for exactly that. and the Wizards I don’t believe want to pay him that, I would, for a nice back up for Ray now that we got Daniels back looking better than ever at the 3. plus most of our 4s can play the 3 JJJ and Bass tho big they both shoot and move well enough to do it as a 3rd option there. maybe we can even make it a S&T and get rid of Bradley and Sasha.
We could only pay Green that because he was OUR restricted FA
We only have vet min contracts to offer anybody else.
We can't spend the 9M on someone we don't have bird rights to.
And if we don’t get the DPE then we can’t spend 1/2 of it either.
If we don’t get the DPE we can only sign minimum contracts.
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Well, thats definitely unfortunate
Get well soon, Jeff. Hope to see you back in green next season.
As for the Celtics, what are the options here? Is it Posey or bust?
when forced to change, change...
rumors of celtics trying to coax pryzbilla from retiring for a week now. if we add pryz we dont need johnson at PF or C this year really with bass, kg, wilcox, pryz, jo, stiemsma.
everyone says johnson reminds them of a young KG (i thought of him as a running center) and KG came into the league as …..yup a SF. jj has the size and speed of green with kg’s defense and shot. i know doc doesnt really play rookies but it could work for a year…just an idea
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 17, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think that idea is completely crazy
I think JJJ has the athleticism to probably pull it off. But its a very different position than he’s been used to playing.
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Ya, I don't doubt he has the athleticism.
But the physical ability/speed to handle the perimeter game is a very different thing that the mental ability to play out there.
It’s an interesting thought nonetheless.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Posey didn't fight the Pacers system.
At this point in his career, he’s not half the player Jeff Green could have been in that role, no doubt. But that does not mean he can’t help the team.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
man
that’s terrible. it might just be time to declare the window closed. Get well soon, Jeff.
step back from the ledge....mc34...we haven't played a game yet LOL
I mean I hate the news but yet because of an intense basketball physical a mans life may have been spared because these can burst at anytime and he could bleed to death internally very quickly….
We just move on…..enjoy the season, hope for the best…
Is it Soup Yet?
agree
definitely bad news for the celtics, but you have to keep things in perspective.
"Chemistry is something that you don't just throw in a frying pan and mix it up with another something and throw something on top of that and then fry it up and put in a tortilla and put it in microwave, heat it up, give it to you and expect it to taste good. You know? If y'all don't know what I'm talking about then you can't cook and this doesn't concern you."
by KGHurtYourFeelings on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Blessing for Jeff and for some degree the C's...
His contract was said will be voided and if JG makes full recovry…then the C’swill be in a position were he can be signed on the cheap I guess,
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
good thing they caught it though
I don’t think there’s any outward symptoms for this
Yeah, bad break for the team but definitely good that they caught it now...
I guess now we really do need another addition
No, the only outward symptoms is when his heart fails.
So thank god the Doctor’s were on their game and picked up on it.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Yeah, folks who criticize the C's med staff gotta give cred for this one.
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Probably not many clear symptoms at an early stage, anyway.
Medical student. Basically unless the aneurism gets somewhat larger and impinges on something else – an organ, a nerve – there aren’t usually clear symptoms. Occasionally a clot will come off there and occlude circulation lower down, and you get a toe that’s cut off or something. Mostly you has general pain in the chest, or the abdomen, near the aneurism, if you have anything at all. Again, that’s usually when it’s grown some.
The first aortic aneurism I saw was in a cadaver. We were meant to be tagging all the vasculature of the abdomen, starting with the celiac trunk, and it was like…. “Our guy doesn’t have one of those.” The “Triple A” – an abdominal aortic aneurism. When it bursts, people don’t live.
"Opinion ...a confession."
John Ritter?
I think that’s what killed him. No sign, then one day…on the set of his TV show…he falls down dead.
Looking.... Yes.
Ritter’s was an ascending aortic aneurism – on the way up from the left ventricle. It dissected, or split open, and they didn’t catch it in time because the symptoms led them down a couple of wrong paths.
Dunno where Mr. Green’s is located. Best to him in his recovery, though.
"Opinion ...a confession."
is it possible to waive him ?
also anyone FA left for us to try and sign ?
I think we can void the contract
or perhaps get some kind of relief from the league, but I don’t know the details yet
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
they have to have known for days now, and hopefully have a contingency plan in place
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Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk
Danny doesn't have a lot of options.
Getting Posey back may be the best case scenario.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
God, I hope _someone_ better is available. Please?
But, yeah.
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DeShawn Stevenson is very interesting...
But I highly doubt you could get him for the minimum. Still, he’s available.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Now...who do we fill the void left by JG...and I don't want Posey's Corpse
"No I’m not KG. Not at all, but I’m Big Baby Glen Davis from LSU, Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I’m not the Big Ticket. I’m the Ticket Stub. Don’t count the Ticket Stub out. You might need the ticket to get in the game, but you leave with the ticket stub, because you’ll never forget this game."
Posey's corpse is looking pretty good to me right now
about as good as any of the other corpses on our team…
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
the sky is falling yadda yadda yadda...
I agree it’s a tough break for the Cs but let’s not declare windows open or closed – what’s the point? They still have to play the games and we’re all still presumably going to watch them!
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:43 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, we're going to still watch the games, but window?
Please, it’s nailed shut. These Celtics are contenders like the ’90 Celtics were contenders; as in, nobody really thinks so save a few with the truly greenest tinted glasses.
i guess... but things happen that you don't foresee...
and the Celtics aren’t suddenly worthless as presently constituted. Windows get propped open.
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
The Celtics are contenders as the Mavs were last year.
As in, nobody really gives them a shot.
How’d that turn out?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Well, to each his own.
To me, and probably most observers, the Celtics are contenders more like the ‘90 Celtics were. Here’s the difference. At this time last year, the Mavs core older guys were:
Nowitzki – 32
Chandler – 28
Marion – 32
Terry – 33
Haywood 31
Barea -
Our core guys this year:
Ray – 36
KG – 35
PP – 34
JO – 33
Those differences may not seem significant to you, but in basketball years, they are. I’ll watch and root for our guys like I always do, but I won’t delude myself into thinking they are legit contenders. That’s how I think that’ll turn out. We had our run and can’t really rebuild until Ray and KG’s contracts come off the books next year. We’ve been playing on house money the last couple of years. No complaints out of me. We got a championship out of this core and everybody knew it was going to be a limited run. Miami and Chicago are still getting better, while we are in decline, and they were already better than us last year.
So anyway, more power to you if you think we’re more like the Mavs of last year than the Celtics of ’90. What is your logic for thinking we will be better than Miami or Chicago this year?
I think the point your 'logic' breaks down is with the word's "nailed shut".
That implies they have zero chance.
I’d agree the chances are not great. But not zero. Lots of things can and will happen before the season is over.
It STILL will come down to how healthy the rest of the team stays. If Daniels is truly healthy, and can play at the level he was at before his injury last season, then he is a very good replacement for Green as the backup SF behind Pierce.
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"Nailed shut" is polemical hyperbole
and should not be taken literally. (Because we’re not playing ‘gotchya.’) Obviously, Mencius would not argue that there is “zero” chance for the Celtics this year. He’s merely saying that it’s very, very low…. and I agree with him.
Exactly right, JR.
My main contention is that Chicago and Miami were better than us last year, and they are still getting better, whereas we are in decline, as must be the case with our aging stars. It is unlikely in the extreme that we get by both (or either) of them, and then whoever comes out of the West. Add to that that we have nothing to replace Green with but a vet min player and, well, you get the point.
I’ll root for the team this year without expecting much. Then, Danny will start the rebuild next year, which, in itself is kind of fun. And I think if he stays at the helm that he’ll be successful in bringing us back into contention, though we’ll likely suck pretty badly for a couple of years as he gathers assets again (which will prompt severe criticism of him, as it did the first go around).
When you compare us to last year - at which point are you comparing?
If you compare us to where we were to start last year – sure, we don’t have Shaq and that’s a huge gap.
But if you compare our team to where it was at the end of last year? I don’t see how there is any question – this team is much, much better – even without Green.
Everyone is forgetting that one of the two big motivators for trading for Green was because of Marquis Daniels getting injured. Marquis was playing extremely well and a more than adequate backup for Pierce. If he is back to where he was – and he sure looked good in yesterday’s scrimmage – then HE is our replacement for Green.
Right now, I don’t see how there is any question that our bigs are better than where we were at the end of last season – simply because they are all healthy.
The key to the season will be health. If we are healthy, then we will be better than we were in the second half last year. Probably not as good as we were in the beginning of last year. But definitely better than where we ended.
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You make no mention of our stars being yet another year beyond their prime.
Great teams go as far as their superstars take them. Sure, a great bench helps, but at the end of the day, it’s about the stars. Ours will not be as good this year as they were last year. That’s simply reality. I’ll still root for them, but see very little chance of us getting by Miami or Chicago, since they are still getting better.
Our 'stars' can decline slightly, and they'll still be among the elites at their positions in the league.
Seriously, KG was easily right with Howard as one of the top defensive players in the NBA last year. Ray and Paul both set personal bests in many stat categories, especially in shooting %. They were collectively the core of one of the top 2 teams on defense in the NBA. Together with Rondo, even with 4-5 different guys at the C, they were consistently one of the very top units on the floor in net +/-.
We came up short because of the complete collapse of the team surrounding our stars. Not because our stars had started to decline.
Even if they do finally start to ‘decline’, if the bench and their surrounding cast is healthy and performs just to their own norms, that will way more than make up for it because we got jack crap from our bench last spring. And then this team will be much better than it was in the second half last year.
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Opinions are opinions. We'll see how it plays out.
I think our stars are not what they were when they came together 4 years ago, and there will be further slippage this year. How much, I cannot say, but that there will be some is as close to lock certain as can be, and your team goes as far as your stars take you. They’re still good, but I don’t regard our team as a real threat to win the championship any more than I did the ’90 Celtics.
Clearly nobody’s mind is going to be changed here, so we’ll see how it plays out.
What are your best guess predictions for how far this team goes...
How deep into the playoffs do they go?
I dunno. I'm not usually big on predictions.
If healthy, they have the talent and depth and coaching to make it all the way. But so many things have to go right on top of those things. Luck. Luck. Luck.
Season’s turn often on random twists of fate – or ankles. And sometimes the event isn’t even to your team. An injury on another team can end up helping or hurting yours.
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Well, I'm all for some good news about our team
In whatever shape it comes. Rough news about Jeff.
Yep.
Each of the last three seasons have been derailed by injuries.
We are over due for some good-health karma.
Though, in a sense, the simple fact that the med staff caught this, is a good thing. So I’m content with that.
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predications? after a long lockout? HA!
you are going to see excatly what happened in the NFL after the lockout, a lot of injuries early on…not the year to make predictions. anything could happen
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
We need some luck.
Last year Miami and Chicago stayed relatively healthy. Maybe we get some good health for a change and the other teams don’t. Then we’ll see what happens.
Another thing we need is for Rondo to really take charge offensively. He’s great for the first 40 minutes. Then at crunch time he doesn’t trust his own offensive game or free throw shooting. Throw that in with how Perkins played and Pierce, Garnett, and Allen were playing 3 on 5 at the offensive end. If Rondo can grow to the point where he trusts his own game to the point where he actually takes over, and lets the other 3 do their thing, we may, may, MAY have one more run left.
Optimism, like pessimism, is not always logical
Sadly, though, I would characterize your post as realistic – which must be logical, by definition.
And realistic or not is a matter of judgement.
Which to the eyes of others is just pessimism, or optimism, depending on your spot of the array.
So again, back to square one.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
You lose your argument by not including young Rajon
Among our “core guys”.
by clover on Dec 17, 2011 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Obviously, Rondo is a core guy too, but not relevant to the aging of our other guys.
Does nothing to change the argument.
Here we go again!
Some unfortunate news happens regarding the Celtics and u guys overreact again. Green’s condition has nothing to do with the Celtics chances this season. You guys are talking about how the Bulls and Heat were better than the Celtics last season which is far from the truth.
None of you were saying this when the Celtics had the second best record in league up until the Perkins trade, despite injuries this team had to deal with. It amazes how quick u guys can put down your own team due to a situation the Celtics have no control over.
You complain and pick at non-arguments such as ‘age’. Will if age was an issue then veteran teams like the Celtics, Mavs, Heat, Lakers and Spurs would not of made it to the finals more than 2x within the past 7 years. It can be so annoying on this site because some of u r just so negative.
That's too bad
I was really looking forward to watching him this season. Hope everything turns out for the best for him
half of the players salary if we are granted injury exp
so about $4.5m
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
however, whats really out there to sign?
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 17, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Prz.
At this point, I’d rather have Marquis Daniels as my backup SF than just about any of the other remaining SF free agents.
So if we added a body at all, I’d rather it was another big man.
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I'd want Deshawn Stevenson.
But for the minimum… doubt it.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
remember when I said that Jeff Green was our biggest hope?
yeah, that’s not good
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You are on a roll, Po.
Well said.
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From the Herald
“Because Green could not pass the physical, the free agent contract he signed with the Celtics will be voided.”
No
They’re over the cap. Disable Player Exception might be possible, but maybe not if the contract is voided. It’s a mess.
No. We would have been better off if it had been already active.
Because in THAT case we would have been able to use half the money.
As it is, we can only use minimum contracts now.
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It would be nice
if the CBA allowed you to use that contract money to sign players rather than just void it and we get essentially nothing but $ relief.
Seems like since it was earmarked for player salaries, if it were voided because of a medical condition the NBA/CBA should allow teams to fill their open roster spot(s) with that same money….
So did the heart problems just start this year? How did he pass physical when we traded him for Perk? Can we get Perk back? Did OKC know about this problem? Can we use his 1yr 9m contract to get someone in that price range? Lots of questions!
by Blackberry33 on Dec 17, 2011 11:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ok so...
Probably yes, these things can build over time before they are detected (or worse, if it’s not detected and causes a heart failure), see first question. No. Very doubtful. No.
Think I got em all.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
The league has been in much greyer area about existing injuries before and not revoked any trades.
Martell Webster went to the Timberwolves last year and immediately was out with his bad back – a known condition, but one that had worsened due to an incident at the end of the previous playoffs, and one the Blazers hadn’t exactly sold hard when they wheeled the used car out onto the lot for sale. Minnesota made some sort of appeal to the league on a “they had to know” basis, and didn’t get any further assets or anything. (Webster’s still injured now, too. He just repeated the same surgery he had last time around.)
If the team had stepped in Tyson Chandler-style at the moment of the deal, maybe. They’d have to catch it then.
"Opinion ...a confession."
at least Reggie Lewis redux won't be happening...
I am still high on this guy and for sure, he will do his best to come back and resume his career…I also have a gut feeling he is goin to be a Celtic when he resumes his career….
This
I immediately thought of Reggie when this news came out. Young guy cut down in his prime because of some freak heart condition. Very scary stuff. Get well soon, Jeff.
by Aluminum Penguin on Dec 18, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
some options:
Deshawn Stevenson – can hit open 3s and plays great D. really limited player though
Peja Stojakovic – can hit 3s but cannot play defense at all
Michael Redd – who knows what he can do right now
James Posey – he’s been terrible but he knows the system at least
what's the deal with Josh Howard? Anyone know?
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
oh wait!
Scalabrine – defense, hustle, brilliance
Agent Zero – offensive punch
Kirilenko – don’t know what his deal is, but maybe with a 4.5 mil disabled player exception?
Ryan Gomes – where is that dude, anyway? The Clippers still have/want him?
Not turning our back on Delonte – that one’s going to sting for a while
Jiri Welsch still plays in Spain
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Redd is a bit of an X factor.
I’d go with Posey on that list, I really think he just didn’t fit the system in Indiana. He was comfortable in his role in Boston, knew exactly what the team and coach wanted out of him. Don’t underestimate how important that is to a players production.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
What about Richard Jefferson?
Isnt he still out there…
I think since the Spurs didn't amnesty or cut him, he's still with them.
He’d be a great backup, though.
Oh, word was they would use the amnesty on him..
I guess not.
I'd rather stick with Marquis.
If Marquis is indeed back to where he was before his injury (and the claim is that he’s actually MORE durable because of the surgery) then he’s a better player than any of those guys.
He’s just gone from a nice sentimental luxury to a critical piece of our rotation.
I’d rather at this point use the roster spot for another C or C/PF.
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I wish Jeff Green a full recovery
And may he never be a Celtic again. (Never liked him as a player.)
Not to be too harsh, but he basically looks like Ryan Gomes to me.
Careers compared. Ryan Gomes, drafted higher and therefore with more of a green (ahem) light.
"Opinion ...a confession."
this news is terribly depressing.
but if the contract gets voided, maybe we can use it to sign a big man. or we can opt to not sign anyone at all and see what this group of guys can do. especially the rooks
yeah I am actually pretty excited about Gilbert Brown
assuming he makes the team, I think he’s got all the skills we need in a backup three, and he’s just a tough dude…
by milt palacio's shot on Dec 17, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Thank God they found it before something terrible happened
Speedy recovery Jeff, this certainly puts everything into perspective doesn’t it. Basketball is just a game, health comes first.
- JoeB
by joeb on Dec 17, 2011 11:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Kudos to the C's medical staff for catching this
Reggie Lewis’ ailment and situation were different, but I do not think I could bear the weight of another Celtics player meeting ill fate on the court again . . .
Yes. Literally, they may have just become life-savers.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
Reggie
Had scarring of the heart muscle from cocaine use and died of HCM, i believe
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Please do some research before spouting that nonsense.
It is completely false, and downright disrespectful to say about a great person.
The cocaine use was a vicious and disgusting rumor, which was proven completely false when the autopsy revealed the scarring in his heart was inconsistent with cocaine use.
Please do some research before perpetuating awful rumors about a revered members of Celtics history… on a Celtics Blog.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Devastating news.
I just hope that Jeff will be OK after his surgery and won’t suffer from any complications post-rehabilitation. Get well soon!
Even if Green never plays again,
I hope he recovers enough to enjoy a normal life and if he doesn’t already have a wife and kids, is healthy enough to do so when they come along.
Serious question
How was this found during his recent physical, but not during the physical when we traded for him? It was only 10 months ago, could this condition really have developed during that period of time?
" Hell yeah I'm trying to gain an advantage out here. If you can't handle it, get off the court."- Kevin Garnett
"Stats are for losers."- Rahim Morris (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
We have pissed off the Basketball Gods
Len Bias
Reggie Lewis
Jeff Green
What other team goes through this stuff?
Celtic Chat Handle: Bird
by David Henderson on Dec 17, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Green didn't die. He'll be back in the league next year.
And yes, other teams go through this, too. LAC and Portland come to mind. Houston.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
He might be in the league next year
None of us knows what they will find when they perform the surgery.
I'm talking Heart injuries
This isn’t knees or ankles….this is organs
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by David Henderson on Dec 17, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Len Bias died of a drug overdose
Cuttino Mobley was a Knick when his career ending heart problem was discovered. A heart condition was discovered in Chuck Hayes this preseason as well and he’s a King.
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
This isn’t about the Celtics right now. This is about Jeff having a speedy recovery. I wish him all the best.
"Can't eat sushi in Utah, brother. Landlocked."
by IsItTheShoes on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bias was self-inflicted (overdose.)
Lewis is an awful tragedy, but the Celtics aren’t the only franchise to ever go through something like that.
And they caught Green’s situation, and thank god for that. Some things are just bigger than Basketball.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
wow
I am thunderstruck, like most people here, and tremendously grateful that the aneurysm was discovered in time. That was close.
Nothing spoils a season quite like having a guy drop dead on the court.
Reflects very well on the Cs medical people.
Thinking that something like that could have been so close to happening again is horrifying.
Travis Outlaw was amnestied
So he could be had for the minimum, theoretically anyway. Cs should go for it. Not gonna work, but no harm trying.
I know a SG is not really our priority but Gilbert Arenas is an amnestied scorer...
Powe? no?
Howsabout that Humphries Kardashian? Too expensive?
Just say "No" to Gilbert.
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by mmmmm on Dec 17, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take a flier on him for a veteran minimum.
I mean really, how bad could it be?
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Some things just feel wrong.
And you know that I am NOT ‘Mr. Intangibles’. But I don’t want Arenas anywhere near a team I root for.
If we really want to add a wing to replace Green, I’d rather go with Stephenson or even just keep the rookie camp invitee, Gilbert Brown.
But as I’ve said, personally, I’d rather add one more big.
NBA Officiating - Corrupt? Incompetent? Which is worse? Does it matter? It sucks.
amnesty
I think amnesty frees up the team from the cap/tax, but they are still on the hook for the balance of the salary not paid by a new team. To me that will sometims create an incentive to take the minimum (and hose the old team). Someone let me know if I understand the amnesty provision right.
by Thruthelookingglass on Dec 17, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
1st of all i could care less about a championship, when a condition as serious as this comes up, I hope Jeff a speedy recovery.
with jeff out — our only hope is that Bradley goes off on the League and becomes a Nick Young type scorer, and that Moore plays like Gary Neal. Or michael Redd comes in for peanuts. I don’t think the C’s will win this year Chicago and not the heat will be the road block The Bulls are scary this year.
I wish we blew this up LAST offseason...
Well at least we have Sasha.
by rickyfan3.0... on Dec 17, 2011 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Just stop.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Grateful for Jeff's health. No so much for the Celtics situation.
We’re all compassionate and sympathetic to things bigger than the game, but looking at our current roster from a pure basketball perspective is pretty sobering right now.
Even if everyone stays 100% healthy (and that is, let’s be honest, a fantasy), we probably have a playoff team headed for an early exit and I can’t think of any pieces still out there that will push us forward without crippling our inevitable rebuilding phase. I am tempted to be mad at Danny all over again for his damaging mid-season trade last year, but what’s the use. Games need to start soon, so the hypothetical can go away and we can see what our core guys are really made of.
Our core guys are old
… and several are prone to injury. Wait, in a little while KG will have one of his yearly mysterious “injuries” and disappear for a month. Etc., etc.
Looks like this will be a rookie’s year in Boston — for the first time in the Big 3 era. And… I think that may be fun to watch. But championship? Nah…. not in the cards anymore.
have to agree, C's really needed Everyone
to contribute and stay healthy in order to go deep in the playoffs; Jeff was a big part and backup to an important position; 7th or even 8th seed now
Jeff Green was not the only reason the C's were contenders.
They needed him, no doubt. But this team was going to win or lose based on the guys who have been there all along, Rondo, and the Big 3.
If they stay healthy, anything is possible.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
(Wow. I'm in Minnesota, and it freaks me out to see fans dissing KG for sarcasm-quote "injuries" this way.)
"Opinion ...a confession."
Jeff should be okay
and be able to resume a basketball career. fortunately they found this. i remember the horror of watching marquis crumple to the floor and I am happy that it turned out well for him. it would not have been nearly so pretty if we all saw Green crumple to the floor in the same manner. Get well soon Jeff – hope to see you in Green next year.
I agree with Jeff and Po's ............
earlier comments. His life may be spared and I am not going to worry about whether or not the contract gets voided. His health comes before anything. We are all passionate fans, but, in the end, it’s a game. I think Doc plugs in what he has and we all hope it’s enough.
All I saw was “heart surgery”, is there any report as to what is actually wrong with Green’s heart that they are going to fix?
Any ideas?
by ap3604 on Dec 17, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions
the article said........
an aortic aneurysm, surgury in January.
by CelticsUKfan on Dec 17, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Put your basketball feelings aside folks...
Unfortunate to happen to someone so young. Hope Jeff get’s better.
Among those tweeting words of encouragement were fellow NBA players from around the league:
Deron Williams (@DeronWilliams): "Praying for Jeff Green hope his surgery goes well and he has a speedy recovery! Need to see him back on the court asap"
Steve Nash (@SteveNash): "Good luck to Jeff Green, having surgery to correct an aortic aneurysm. Come back strong next year! Good luck."
Carmelo Anthony (@carmeloanthony): "Everyone keep #JeffGreen in their prayers. Have a successful procedure"
Baron Davis (@Baron_Davis): "Praying for Jeff Green as he goes thru surgery. . Hope you make it back stronger bro."
Evan Turner (@thekidet): "Prayers go out to the big homie [J]eff Green, I hope he has a successful procedure. He’s a stand up guy, for real"
Courtney Lee (@CourtneyLee2211): "Prayers go out to Jeff Green!!!"
by C'sFanfrmNy on Dec 17, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Team was Really Close Supposedly
I expect most of them reached out to him personally, and we won’t see anything on Twitter about it. I wouldn’t be tweeting if a friend of mine was going through this.
Btw, there’s not C’s here either.
You just got Rondo'd
Exactly. And for the reasons you stated.
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Toine return? Gulp...?
First of all what a blessing that James Harrison and Jeff Green has had this year. Thank goodness for modern medicine. That being said. Only 6’8+ versatile vet out there besides Posey is Toine. At a vet min for 7-10 mins a game, how bad can it be?
Good question.
The answer is bad… Really, really, really bad.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
Maybe I'm braindead but what are the alternatives?
They need another tweener wing/post. Is Posey a better option? I just don’t see vets knocking down the door to play here for a vets minimum. At least he’ll inspired, as much as a wince-look away on offensive player that he is. lol…Not signing Delonte has made this bench extremely extremely weak. I wonder why he chose DAL.
Jerome Harrison the RB
James Harrison is the Steeler’s OLB currently serving a one-game suspension for a helmet-to-helmet hit.
"We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better…stronger…faster."
Although I guess Jeff Green would actually be the NINE million dollar man =P
by ap3604 on Dec 17, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Get well Jeff, I’m sure you’ll be back stronger than before.
But anyway, I dislike the cheap moralism in some of these comments.
Why try to make people feel guilty just because they’re worried about celtics season?
If you support a team, it’s pretty normal to be concerned when an important player is out. And it doesn’t mean we don’t care about Jeff’s health.
every Celtics fan is...........
always concerned about the Celtics season! BUT, saying if we hadn’t made the trade, we wouldn’t be here worrying now is a bit of a reach and seems uncaring to me.
Besides
If the C’s didn’t make the trade, Perk would have bolted in free agency and we would never have had Jeff Green, doesn’t mean the news isn’t terrible. Makes the Daniels’ signing seem awfully smart right now.
by KJ33 on Dec 17, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
Daniels’ health and productivity is suddenly crucial. IF he can be the player everyone hoped for two years ago, a bench of
Dooling
Daniels
Bass
Wilcox
is really not too bad. If one out of Bradley, Johnson, and Moore can quickly become reliable, things are looking OK.
As the shock of JG situation subsides but with it our prayers continue
adding Posey, and what about Iverson? -we need instant scoring off bench
NO! Nick Young 17ppg young, fast, athletic, great size at the 2, instant offence much better than AI
nope, at best C's will qualify for 50% of the 9 mill
based on the DPE
I read that his entire contract was void
which is a lil different from the exception you’d get if he had passed his physical and signed and like got hit by a bus or something.
Looks like the Cs will end up with NOTHING
to compensate for loss of Green. To get the DPE, they would have to pay Green his $9m, and pay the new guy his $4.5m, and pay tax on all of that… so that ain’t happening. We’re left with the vet’s minimum, and that’s all. Hosed.
We're over the cap - we had birdrights on Jeff which is why we were able to pay $9m
Even with Jeff’s contract void, we’re still we over the cap and all we can use is the vet’s min. In other words, no Nick Young.
You just got Rondo'd
Vet minimum or a trade.
The C’s have a couple of trade exceptions and could include a player and/or picks to pick up someone to help as a backup 3. Danny will have to work the phones and see who he can come up with.
Guess how much Youngs Qualifying offer is!
3.6Mil and hes expected to accept it. We can def work that with a S&T using DPE and Trade exception and maybe Avery Bradley’s contract.
Not a heart problem
Just to let you guys know that there is nothing structurally wrong with his heart from reports (as was the case with Reggie). Aortic aneurysm is a vascular (blood vessel, the aorta bering the largest one in the body) issue, so if repaired well, he’ll be fine. Unless he has a congenital issue such as Marfan’s syndrome that predisposes you to this sort of thing.
by Rondoholic on Dec 17, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
wilson chandler anyone? j.r smith?ainge is not stupid he knows that we need a GOOD young playeri wouldn’t be surprised if he pulls off something..sure feels good logingin here i haven’t done that in years!!
these guys are in china
we have to wait until two months or even more depending on if their teams are going to playoffs (which seems to be the case especially for smith’s team)
its more than that
i cant find the article, but i think they have to pay 1million dollars and the salary the team payed for them for the games they have already paid so the sum is very very large.
chandlers is restricted too so i imagine denver would match
jr smith i like but is a head case (just look into his china run in) and i wouldnt mind kenyon martin if we need another big either
by craziness@analltimehigh on Dec 17, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Perkins is a clod
Hewas exposed in last years playoffs. Sick of hearing about that trade. Things happen for a reason. GO CELTICS!
Yeah Right
Perkins was coming off knee surgery and gave it his all despite being hindered by the knee and not being in top condition. IIRC, Perk was pretty successful here in Boston despite being a “clod” according to your delusional post above.
Perk despite not a lot of athletic ability, turned himself into one of the best defensive centers in the league. Oh, yeah, he’s also one of the toughest guys in the league. And he plays hard all the time, something I’ll take from my center any time, despite any shortcomings.
I just wanna how did green pass his physical when he got traded to the celtics? This freaking sucks!!!!!
by CBleedsGreeN on Dec 17, 2011 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If the contract is voided
is JG an unrestricted free agent in 2012?
Jesus Shuttlesworth: I hate my name. What kind of name is Jesus anyway?
Jake Shuttlesworth: It's biblical.
Jesus Shuttlesworth: Yeah, no kidding.
by jakeshuttlesworth on Dec 17, 2011 2:49 PM EST reply actions
That is one lucky dude
Most aortic aneurisms are found in the autopsy. So, aside from the knuckle draggers above who can only see Celtic misfortune, this may be the start (delayed of course) of Celtic good luck. A very, very dark cloud would have descended on the team if the worst happened during the season. Jeff Green seems like an awesome young man and he will be in full rehab by the end of season and ready to fly next year (assuming it is correctable as they say).
So, onto the season. Our record is still 0-0. We should force feed mins. to JJ Johnson rather than re-tread Posey. The Posey fans could not have seen him last year. Not re-signing him was one of Danny’s best moves. If you assume Green was good, as I did, of course we are down one weapon. But others can step up. I think Danny loaded up with some talent and Doc gets paid a lot. Let him earn his money. I can’t wait for the season and I’m very very relieved for Green. Plus very helpful to see RJ87’s comment that we do keep the RFA designation.
by Wildblu1 on Dec 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You really want Jeff Green BACK?
I don’t. I hope never to see him as a Celtic again. (Nothing personal, hope he gets well…. I just think he’s a loser as a player.)
and I thank God.......
that you aren’t a talent scout for the Celtics!
by CelticsUKfan on Dec 17, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
+1 Great post, Wildblu1.
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These are the players we can go after
James Posey
DeShawn Stevenson
Bostjan Nachbar
Michael Redd
Allen Iverson
Travis Outlaw
Dante Cunningham
Gilbert Arenas
Charlie Bell
Stephen Lasme
Andrei Kirlenko
Nick Young
Nick Young is available?
We need some scoring off the bench. Michael Redd is interesting.. Dont know why we took in Pavlovic really…
strike out
nick young as he restricted and will not accept min vet, kirilenko is going back to russia. i like james posey back or if not him michael redd or deshawn stevenson.
but DA might not sign anybody. they can use BIG FAT SWEETNEY!!! :D
I love DeShawn Stevenson, and he's the first call I make if I'm Danny.
But talking him into signing for a veteran minimum of going to be one hell of a tough sell.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
My best to Jeff
It was very fortunate that his condition was discovered. Basketball is irrelevant but for the physical conducted by the Celtics. In that regard only is basketball important. Wishing Jeff a very speedy recovery and a healthy life. Discovering his potentially harmful condition was certainly a great Holiday gift
One last thought
This condition killed my best friend’s mother. It’s very serious.
I wonder if Outlaw is going to be claimed by an under the cap team.
I hated him at $7m for multiple years (as did the Nets, who paid him off barely a year after signing him to a 4/$28 deal last summer), but I really like him at the minimum. He’s only 27, lanky defender,and had a couple of good offensive years in Portland in 08 and 09 (12ppg on 44/38 shooting).
He'd be great
But how do we get him for vets min? I’d rate that as very unlikely. But hey, would be great if it were possible.
He's still going to get paid his contract money by the Nets
So, maybe – just maybe – he’d be willing to except a vet’s contract to play in Boston…
He was horrendous in NJ, but that’s because the expected him to be more than a role player and paid him accordingly. That’ was their mistake, he’s always been good off the bench, no reason to see why he couldn’t go back to that.
You just got Rondo'd
If he clears waivers, anyone can sign him.
And if no team with cap space was willing to offer some of it to sign him during the waiver process, then why would anyone else. Outlaw would then be signing with a capped team at the minimum (he’s also getting paid his contract anyway, so he’ll look to play for a contender.) Then, all bets are off, and it’s up to Doc and Danny to sell him to come to Boston over anywhere else.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
man...
I was really excited to see Jeff’s stuff this season… Hope the surgery goes well and I hope I see you in the green next season!
Come on guys
The Celtics organization VERY LIKELY saved his life, that matters more than this whole season.
If the Perk trade never happens, does Jeff Green drop dead this year on the court? I don’t know that but Im guessing that would have been a very real possibiloity in the future.
For the first time Im glad we made that trade.
thats a very healthy and refreshing take on the trade
by KY Celts fan on Dec 17, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to agree
and I would, if the Celtics were in the life-saving business…. you know, picking up strangers and saving their lives, like that. But they’re in the basketball business. I really do not get this holy rolling over how wonderful it is that the Celtics traded for Green in order to save his life. I’ll tell you what, if they keep doing that they’ll be in the NBA’s cellar, like forever.
I’m sure Green is a nice guy and all, but he’s been nothing but a drag on this team since day one, and now he’s disappearing altogether, so what’s there to say? Get well, and thanks for nothing.
... I have no words anymore.
And the ones I do have would get me banned. So I’m just going to leave this alone and walk away.
"Phil is obviously a good coach. You don't win that many games without being a damn good coach, ... Remember one thing: He's been very fortunate. He picks his spots. That's all I can say." - Red Auerbach
well Reggie Lewis
helps Jeff green.
Good Luck & speedy recovery.
I root for the Celtics regardless you they have on their roster… having said that i think Miami is the team to beat.
Yeah, we are. And have been since 1986.
Let’s look at what’s gone wrong since:
1987: Len Bias, Bill Walton’s foot, Scott Wedman’s arch, Kevin McHale’s foot.
1988: Bill Walton’s foot.
1989: Bird’s achilles surgery
Move to this era:
2009: Garnett’s knee
2010: Ray Allen’s leg (remember Artest colliding his knee into Ray’s in Game 3?), Perkins’
knee
2011: Shaq’s everything, Jermaine O’Neal’s knee. Garnett’s other knee. Rondo’s elbow. I mean, it just doesn’t fucking stop with us.
Yea the C's have had some bad luck ...
and health through the years as your list proves.
Not to make the list any more depressing but we can also add Max’s blown knee and Birds bad elbow in 1985 that played a big role in the C’s losing out in a title that year.
Some unfortunate news happens regarding the Celtics and u guys overreact again. Green’s condition has nothing to do with the Celtics chances this season. You guys are talking about how the Bulls and Heat were better than the Celtics last season which is far from the truth.
None of you were saying this when the Celtics had the second best record in league up until the Perkins trade, despite injuries this team had to deal with. It amazes how quick u guys can put down your own team due to a situation the Celtics have no control over.
You complain and pick at non-arguments such as ‘age’. The Celtics are not the only veteran team. Will if age was an issue then veteran teams like the Celtics, Mavs, Heat, Lakers and Spurs would not of made it to the finals more than 2x within the past 7 years. It can be so annoying on this site because some of u r just so negative.
It’s like Miami and Chicago puts fear in people on this site. Believe it or not the Heat and Bulls, and their fans care nothing about us as they shouldn’t. At least the Celtics have 4 superstars that can still compete at high level even though they’re in their 30’s.
We should be unfortunate the Celts med staff caught the aortic aneurysm sooner than later. Jeff Green is sideline for the entire season and u guys throw your hands up and surrender the season. That’s a sign of weakness.
Be careful what you ask for because after KG, RA and PP are gone, then we are going to witness ugly basketball after they’re gone.
I hear that!
I agree I think some Celtics fans tend to overreact when this team goes through adversity. At times it can be too much.
Just heard the news....
and its like a punch to the gut.
I hope Jeff the best and a speedy recovery.
This of course is a big blow to the C’s as Green was by all reports ready to play a big role this season.
Its very, very frustrating after going through a season like the C’s did last year where they had to deal with so many health issues, to start this season with such a serious health issue that Green has to deal with.
This of course is a big blow to the C’s as Green was by all reports ready to play a big role this season.
Its very, very frustrating after going through a season like the C’s did last year where they had to deal with so many health issues, to start this season with such a serious health issue that Green has to deal with.
I’m glad doctors caught this issue early and I hope he does have a speedy recovery, because health is key. And I agree it is frustrating because every this team deals with a lot of health problems. It’s the main reason why the Celtics have not been able to win another title after 2008.
Health history
-———————-
2009:
Garnett
2010:
Garnett
Pierce
Allen
Perkins
Wallace
2011:
Jermaine
Shaq
Erden
West
Rondo
Daniels
Garnett
BB.Davis
Wafer
Nenad
Dec 2011:
Green
Pierce
Sasha
Garnett
Rondo
Injuries have been the Achilles’ heel for the Celtics the past 5 years and age has nothing to do with it. I find it strange that the Celtics are always hurt?
Yes I agree...
there have been alot of injuries over the past year to some key players that has been very frustrating to see and which probably has cost the C’s a title or 2.
The injuries in the 2010 finals against LA where Ray hurt himself when Artest bumped into him and Rasheed was suffering from back spasms was the most painful to bear.
Some people here are unrela
A young boy received a new that put his life on the edge are some people are so pathetic that just carr about how we can replace him, or brings ip the idea that DA got nothing from a trade.
We are talking about a person here, not about a thing.
Best wishes to Jeff and his family.
by NicaraguanFan on Dec 17, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
pretty disappointed in SOME of the comments on this post
not to mention peoples reactions to those same comments (which multiplies the problem)
remember to act with respect to all posters – regardless of how much they deserve it – and let us take care of the problem posters
for everyone else posting with class, thanks very much
Faith and Sports - an essay by Jeff Clark
by Jeff Clark on Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Green:
Best of luck. You’ll be in all my prayers for the sick. May you get well. Above and beyond basketball. Get well for you. Not us.
Still no mention of Green on the Oklahoma thunder blog. That really surprises me.
by jurrasicearl on Dec 17, 2011 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Get out the TNT...
time to blow it up Danny. This team is done. It was a wonderful 4 years, but lets all be honest here. They were mismatched against the Heat last year. Let’s rebuild now. We have 1 piece to build around.
Best wishes to Jeff Green and his family. Thankfully this was caught into time.
Hate to see that...
I had been hoping Boston would sign Murphy all off season, but after all the 4’s Ainge signed recently the chances were slim.
Wish he could of gone anywhere else but the Lakers.
Murphy is garbage
They can have him
by Kgwillkillyou on Dec 17, 2011 11:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Feel sorry for Jeff
Hope he gets better soon. With that though, does that clear his 9 million in the salary cap?
This is just like a Hollywood movie!
First of all My prayers go out to Jeff and his family. Hoping everything will turn out fine.
This is just like a Hollywood movie. A bunch of aging stars against a league thats running amuck with “super teams”. With the cards stacked against us, this will just make banner 18 sweeter.
by The green mamba on Dec 18, 2011 12:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
farewell tour
I feel for Green but I am also happy that they found this out before it turned into another sad story in the Celtics history.
On the court….The optimist in me felt like the Celtics needed two things to truly be a title contender this season. They need Rondo to be the player he was the first few months of last season to be there night in and night out all season long. They needed a big season from Jeff Green. So I wasn’t exactly convinced that we were going to truly be title contenders this season because neither of those things was a certainty. Now one of those two things wont happen.
Now to me anyway this is going to be a well deserved farewell tour for the BIg Three. Maybe Ainge will start the inevitable rebuild/reload a little earlier then expected.
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